Unless there is a "strike" limit added.
1 call out - X day suspension
2 call outs - X week suspension
3 call outs - permanent ban
Heck, at this point I'd be fine if it was a 1 strike limit before being banned permanently...there are plenty of warnings on the site saying not to do it.
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There really aren't that many, and most new people absolutely will not know. Banning would do nothing, as they is a constant influx of new people.
But it would be easy to detect comments that have "FAKE" in them and warn the user, and specifically disallow if that is the only word.
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It's so rude of people to call giveaways fake on pure speculation. If you think it's fake, keep it to yourself and don't enter. If it IS a fake, it will be discovered once the GA is done and the winner doesn't receive anything. At that point support will delete it, points will be refunded. Things will take care of themselves without you calling fake and potentially insulting good new members.
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But if you have a smartass on the first comment calling FAKE on your first created giveaway, how much giveaways will follow your first? I for sure would have thought well if this is the attitude here, I will just take giving my game away somewhere else and FU.
Have to admit I once joined a disussion on a ga about whether it being fake or not, but you (we) simply shouldn't do so.
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I always give away games I don't have and not seen in my inventory and I'm surprised no one said my giveaways are fake.
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Usually a giveaway made by a new member without a description is called fake :p
for your case I think not.
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Basicly this callings happens when you have no confirmed giveaways and the game is rather expensive (and not bundled).
Commonly this «fakes» are made by just-registered-not-reading-rules people who think that the giveaway is given TO them not BY them.
As you have lots of giveaways none suspects you.
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She made an assumption, said something without thinking and got herself suspended. Now you're assuming stuff, too. It's not punishable and I know it was meant to be a joke more than anything, but please dont assume people are dicks just because they made one ill advised comment. She got what she deserved, isnt that enough?
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So calling out giveaways fake is bad cause you can be wrong 1 of 100 times and hurt the giveawayers feelings. Anyways you pay only freely giving points.
On another hand calling out:
is totally okay cause it hurts nobody feelings and you pay earned with blood and sweat points for it.
Seems legit for me.
P.S. Did not call any giveaway a fake myself by the way.
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Feel free to create a support ticket for any inappropriate behavior you may observe.
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Any type of calling out is not okay. The guidelines doesn't specify only calling out "fake" on giveaways as unacceptable. Copy Pasta: "Do not call out submitters in giveaways. Please click the report button or submit a ticket, do not comment on the giveaway claiming the giveaway to be fake." and "Please do not call out users in the forum or chat. Submit a ticket in the Support Forum."
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This. We know that small games tend to be real. Try finding a guy with 0 entries, under 24 hours on steamgifts registered, cheap to free games only on his account who's giving away an AAA title legit. :P
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http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/wG2mC/max-payne-3
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/HQDdq/xcom-enemy-unknown
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/P7Rlq/call-of-duty-world-at-war
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/6sL6H/call-of-duty-black-ops-ii
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/b8a0C/counter-strike-complete
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/QgWxl/sleeping-dogs
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/lpR06/borderlands-2
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/w2O8A/bioshock-infinite
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/kQFF8/sleeping-dogs
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/3EiSv/bioshock-infinite
All from brand new users, got called fake, etc etc.
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Add a report button next to the reply button for comments in a giveaway. Automatically submits a support ticket for "calling out" if the same gets reported on multiple giveaways suspend them.
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I will for one be happy to see that take affect. So tired of seeing those comments instead of polite or no comments. Not that I've ever gotten them. But just seeing them makes me not want to give to anyone besides group giveaways where I know the ppl will be grateful and respectful.
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Wow, that actually amazed me. thanks for showing us Bobo!
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I'd say "maybe they'll learn", but my faith in humanity isn't nearly that strong nor naive. Luckily those who call out are subject to punishment, I just hope that those who truly are so generous do not so easily give in to the trolls and suspicions. Whether bundle games or AAA, I think it's safe to say that we all start off a little shaky until we prove ourselves to one another in this land of vultures and ninja.
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It's become a sad tendency on this site to call out users as fake, leechers, etc., without having reason or proof. It's almost as if you're under a general suspicion unless you are over a certain amount of CV and time registered.
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Fake forum topic, reported!
In all seriousness, I don't know why people bother reporting a giveaway as fake. The entrants can judge for themselves.
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Calling out fakes is pointless. It's not going to help anyone. These days the points rack up so quickly that there is no point in hesitating.
The sad thing is when people just tend to forget their giveaways or something. Even on those innocent looking giveaways with budget games. I've contacted the person twice in hopes of a response - the second time I sent him a Dota 2 as a gift with a polite (I hope) message regarding the matter.
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Oh, eh... Thanks for reminding me. Not used to the forums quite yet, even though a year on SG.
Removed the link. Anyhows, maybe a good rule of thumb is that keep your mouth shut unless you have something actually polite to say... Guess that works for everything.
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don't get it (calling out) either. There's a report button you can use if you suspect the giveaway isn't legit.
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For me its always nice to see that stuff like this actually concerns people here. I´ve been using TF2R.com for a while to raffle off TF2-Items, but there you constantly see people getting insulted and yelled at "just in case" they might be fake or because the stuff they are giving away isnt "good enough".. and that behavior is commonly accepted in the community xD
Thats the reason why I started to rather exchange my TF2-Stuff for games, to give them away here on Steamgifts instead.. and topics like this just show once more that I made the right decision :D
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I'm a relatively new user and I almost got pissed by this community.. :p I haven't been giving away games, because I'm so broke at the moment that I can't even afford like 5 euros for a game. Almost every single one of my expensive games are bought from super awesome sales or my boyfriend has gifted them for me :p
But yeah, I was having a bit of a problem with one DLC that I won and I couldn't activate it right away 'cos Windows Live was having a tantrum... And I got banhammered for this... I tried to explain the situation and I was called cheater and leecher. I was leecher because I happen to have lot's of games in my steam inventory but I haven't gifted anything.
Fortunately, this problem was solved and I'm still more than happy to create a giveaway when I can.
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You make a giveaway and they say "FAKE!!!111!!1"? Let them say it and then give the game for real. They'll look stupid and that's it. My point is, there's nothing wrong with calling out fake...
90% of the time people are right and they help others not enter the giveaway wasting point and having the disappointment of not receiving the game in case they win (and this happened to me, and I wish someone had said "FAKE!!!!11!1!"). 10% of the time the user actually gives the game away, so everyone is happy. There's nothing wrong with it.
I was suspended once for saying that the giveaway was fake so that others might not enter (and of couse IT WAS FAKE, the user never gave the game away). It's the stupiedest rule I've ever heard.
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10% of the time the user actually gives the game away, so everyone is happy.
Everyone? I'm guessing the giveaway maker is not happy, given the false accusations.
help others not enter the giveaway wasting point
Really now? Then why do these "fake" giveaways still get thousands upon thousands of entries?
Please see Kaitlyn's very well articulated post to see why this is a rule. I don't know what forum you come from, but in most places I've been to, blatant harassment and flaming are not allowed.
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Everyone? I'm guessing the giveaway maker is not happy, given the false accusations.
The maker has the satisfaction of proving them wrong. Isn't it enough? If you're a pianist and someone says that you suck at playing, do you go back home to cry or you prove them wrong by actually playing? If you're an employer and you have to employ someone who says "I'm the best in the world at what I do", do you take that for granted or you make them prove that it's true? It's the same thing. The giveaway maker shouldn't cry and be offended, he should prove that he will give the game by simply giving it.
help others not enter the giveaway wasting point
Obviously not everyone read the comments. The ones that do, like myself, if they read a thousand comments like "fake", don't enter the givaway. It's as simple as that.
Please see Kaitlyn's very well articulated post to see why this is a rule. I don't know what forum you come from, but in most places I've been to, blatant harassment and flaming are not allowed.
I didn't make myself clear. "calling out fake", to me only means that the user won't give away the game. Not that he did it on purpose neither that he doesn't speak english and made it as a mistake. In the first case there's nothing wrong in calling out fake. In the second case, if the user doesn't speak english, he won't understand your comment either, no?
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The maker has the satisfaction of proving them wrong.
If someone accuses you of something you didn't do, whether or not you prove them wrong does not change the fact that at some point you have been falsely accused. You must have a mind of steel to not feel anything from being falsely accused, especially if you are a new user. If my first impression of this forum was hostile, you can bet I would never come back.
do you take that for granted or you make them prove that it's true? It's the same thing
No it's not. It's more like the employer is insulting the interviewee. I don't think you understand the difference between calling out and informing. One is: "your giveaway is a fake! You have nothing in your inventory and you don't have the game in your library." The other is "since you are new here, did you know that if you make a giveaway, you have to give a copy of the game away?" Do you see any difference? One is taking blatant hostile action against the giveaway maker. The other is somewhat condescending, but is clearly an informative post rather than a flame.
I like how you conveniently ignored the second half of Kaitlyn's post. The part that mentions that giveaway makers feel alienated, discouraged, and frightened because of these insulting "fake" call outs.
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Like I said, if you are falsely accused you shouldn't cry. You're in for a lot of crying in real life it you're like that...
The employer has every right in knowing who is hiring; we're back to the same point, you shouldn't be offended if you get questioned. Like if you're doing an exam at school, you feel offended if you studied everything but the teacher asks you the one thing you didn't know and thinks that you didn't study?
Regarding the informative message, I agree that people shouldn't yell "fake" and just that. But we're back at what I said before, if the user doesn't speak english and made the giveaway by mistake, he wouldn't be able to understand the message either...
And I didn't "conveniently ignored" the second half of the post. I already said plenty of times that the user shouldn't act like that. Not always in life people greet you warmly. People are suspicious, and treat others accordingly. It's a way to not be disappointed in case those others aren't what they look like. It's a fact of the world, and you can't change it.
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Like I said, if you are falsely accused you shouldn't cry.
I never said anything about crying. I said you have a right to be unhappy if you are falsely accused. And if you don't feel anything from being falsely accused, you are either a psychopath or you have an iron will.
The employer has every right in knowing who s(he) is hiring.
Other than sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc. In addition, the employer does not have a right to abuse the interviewee. Calling a giveaway fake is akin to degrading, insulting, and generally abusing the interviewee. If the employer calls me a lair and fraud right at the start of the interview, which is exactly what calling a giveaway a fake is like, you can bet that I'd walk straight out.
Whether the giveaway maker understands the message is irrelevant. The fact is that one is a hostile flame, and the other is informative. Whether the message actually gets through to the giveaway maker has no bearing on the message itself.
Not always in life people greet you warmly. People are suspicious, and treat others accordingly.
Yes. Those are the places that you avoid.
There is a reason people who call out get suspended and most users support that reason.
Edit: didnt mean to put "you" as in you personally. Also realized I was too hostile, toned it down. All-nighter = should not be arguing on internet forum >.<
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When did I say that you said "cry"? I only meant it as the user being offended. I'm sorry, but english is not my main language and sometime I find it hard to express what I mean.
What I mean is that if you're falsely accused, it's not the end of the world. One guy accuses you, other thousands in the giveaway thank you. What does it matter then if that one guy insulted you? Ignore him, give the game for real and be done with it.
Lol for the comment about the sexual orientation and all that. Like I said, english is not my main language and there are simply sentences that in my language can be written as considering both male and female, but when I write in english doesn't work so something I tend to mix both my language and english in the expression. Kinda hard to explain, it's my mistake, sorry!
But yes I agree that there are ways and ways to let others know your doubts regarding someone. I didn't mean that the employer should curse the interviewee, just that he has to see for himself what he or she can do.
But you're right on the other part, in the end doesn't cost anything to write an informative message. Still usually it's pointless.
Yes. Those are the places that you avoid.
If only I could, but there are too many in the world to avoid them :)
Can I ask you something? What does the report button really do? I honestly don't know.
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If only I could, but there are too many in the world to avoid them :)
I guess I just grew up in a more friendly environment than you. Hence our differences in opinion.
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Well, this thread is only a reaction to how things are like right now. If there wouldn't be this rule, this topic wouldn't exists. And as it is now, the negativity like you said is present, so why don't try the other option and see how things turn out? It's not like a permanent decision, rules can be changed both back and forward.
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Thanks for the clarification. Wouldn't be better if the giveaway gets automatically blocked if a tot number of reports are submitted? I mean, usually if a giveaway is fake or made by a new user that doesn't know how the site works, it lasts for only an hour. Obviously since you mods have a life too and can't stay watching for these giveaways, makes more sense if the users themself can do something about it. It's not like people would start reporting giveaways for no reason (and anyway the number limit for a giveaway to get blocked should be high enough).
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I don't know, most of those I see only last 1 hour...
But still, I don't know about errors, but abuses would be pretty hard to do since you would need a lot of people pressing the button. And if there is no reason, most of the users I'm assuming that ignores it...
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Most of the ones I see last for weeks. Typically these giveaway makers think that they will get the gift from an entrant. It makes sense for them to list as long as possible to maximize the number of people that want to give them the gift.
abuses would be pretty hard
It's not as difficult as you think. There are some people that are generally disliked. It would not surprise me to see all of their giveaways being blocked just because so many people hate them.
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Lol I never thought of that. I always assumed that they think that the time is like the "estimated time of delivery", so they choose 1 hour to get the game faster xD
Regarding abuses, I'm talking of a number that is like a few hundred if not more. A must be a pain in the ass to A LOT of people to get blocked :P and the majority of people don't even look a the username of the giveaway maker, they go straight to the "enter to win" button.
If in a remote chance it really should happen this situation, then ok that's a mistake. But as things are now there are plenty of mistakes when giveaways like these are created that last 1 hour, no?
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I'm not support, but I don't think fake giveaways ever get hundreds of reports. I would estimate maybe 20 or 30 reports max (and much less if the giveaway is only for 1 hour). If you set the threshold there, it would be pretty easy to abuse.
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I'm guessing it depends from the lenght of the giveaways. I'm sure that with giveaways that last weeks there are more reports. Maybe should be dependend from the duration of the giveaway itself (like for example, if the lenght is 1 hour than the treshold is X, if it's 2 hour than it's 2X).
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Oh that's actually something I didnt know. I always thought that multiple people reporting the same thing was actually a hindrance rather than being helpful - I thought more reports just created more work.
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People are suspicious, and treat others accordingly. It's a way to not be disappointed in case those others aren't what they look like. It's a fact of the world, and you can't change it.
Perhaps in your world. I'm avoiding this kind of person.
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If you're an employer and you have to employ someone who says "I'm the best in the world at what I do", do you take that for granted or you make them prove that it's true? It's the same thing.
The employer doesn't say: "you're a liar!". If I have to prove to an employer that "I'm the best in the world at what I do", I need before that he trusts me to give me my chance.
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Did you read the comment by the "fake" giveaway creator in the OP link?
Doesn't exactly entice me to give away more of the freebies I'd picked up during various Steam sales...
How about the creator disppointment? He want to share a game he bought, and he is called a liar?
And, oh, poor winner if it's actually a fake, he is loosing the price of a free contest.
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Yes I read it, and, for the hundred time, I say that the user shouldn't feel offended. One guy offended you? Ignore him. Do you think that there aren't people like that in the world? There are plenty and more, and the trick to treat them is ignore them. Or, in this case, give the game for real and prove them wrong, which is even better.
1 guy says it's fake (and for Jusus sake, he didn't even offend the guy, just said "seems fake". If that looks like an offence to you, you shouldn't watch tv...), while 5,007 others thank you for your kindness. What does it matter for one guy?
And yes, I agree that if you don't get a free game it's not a big deal, but to some the fact of winning a giveaway with maybe thousands of entries is. Makes them feel lucky of course, but if they don't receive the game, they will feel like the unluckiest person in the world. If by advising not to enter a giveaway I can help them, why shouldn't I? It's only a message, doesn't cost me anything,
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If by advising not to enter a giveaway I can help them, why shouldn't I? It's only a message, doesn't cost me anything,
A) Most users who bother reading any of the comments know how suspicious the giveaway already is. Therefore, your comment adds almost no useful information.
B) You get suspended. I think that's cost enough?
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in this case, give the game for real and prove them wrong
No, if a person is saying "fake" in my giveaway and win it (yeah, some of them still enter), I will never deliver it. If he is thinking that it's not hurting the creator to say "fake", then I'm thinking that it will not hurt him if he doesn't receive the game. Indeed, he was thinking it was fake.
If that looks like an offence to you, you shouldn't watch tv...)
I don't.
if they don't receive the game, they will feel like the unluckiest person in the world.
So you prefer trying to help some people not being disappointed by not received the game, rather than not calling the creator a liar? It's your opinion, but I don't share it.
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I like that you avoid the parts in messages that you can't oppose xD
By the way, yes I totally agree that if the user calls out and enters the giveaway is a total jackass, and I wouldn't give him/her the game either, unless I acutally apologizes.
Even if you don't watch tv, you can't really tell me that that message looked like an offence, can you?
I never call the creator a liar, I only say that he won't deliver the game, which is a different thing. And I ONLY say when I'm completly sure that he won't. After a year in this site you learn which giveaway is fake and which isn't. But not everyone do, so that's where I come in.
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Oh, I probably missed some parts... :s (Which one are you thinking about?)
Oh, yep, I find that a "fake" looks like an offence. Of course, I'm not wrongly accused of murder, but still, I think it can hurts "weak" people. (don't know how to say in english :p)
Yeah, right, you don't call the creator a liar, but I think that saying "fake" is like saying: "you will not deliver the game, so you're a liar cause by creating the giveaway, you're implicitly saying that you will deliver it." Well, it only works if the creator knows how the site works... XD
I love that kind of debate, it's a good mean to trying to improve my english... :D
Oh, I think you never can be sure that a giveaway is a fake. Even is the creator is saying "I want da game!", perhaps is he a troll? Who knows? :p
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I understand what you mean. but "fake" to me simply means "it's not real". That's what it's supposed to mean, it's just that the majority of times it's associated with the things you said, thus giving the word another meaning.
I love that kind of debate, it's a good mean to trying to improve my english... :D
Lol, I was thinking the same :P Especially when the debates is in friendly tone (I don't know if I'm giving the wrong impression, but I'm not trying to insult anyone, just to make it clear). Who knows how many mistakes I made writing, I'm not used to write more than a few lines in english at a time xD
Oh, I think you never can be sure that a giveaway is a fake. Even is the creator is saying "I want da game!", perhaps is he a troll? Who knows? :p
I've got a sixth sense I guess :P It's true that not always things are what they look like, but there is no way to make it perfect. If you always assume that the user will deliver the game, you're just making the same mistake only "in the wrong direction", I don't know if you know what I mean, I don't know how to say it xD
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I don't have the statistics, so I can't answer that question.
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Sure, there are ways and ways to it. I mean, personally I call fake when it's obvious that it is. If a new registered user gives away COD: BO 2, you're pretty sure that it's fake. If the user gives away AC 2 (like in the case that bobofatt linked), which is a game discounted multiple times at a very low price, than yes I agree completly that the users calling out fake are in the wrong.
One thing I forgot to ask is about the report button. How does it work now? The mods get simply a notification from a reported giveaway or something else happens too?
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The point is that a lot of the giveaways only last for 1 hour, and the support can't get an hold on them in that short time.
Anyway I meant the report giveaway button, but a moderator already clarified what it does in one of the above messages
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Doesn't matter. They can go back and delete it even after it has been closed. It's not up to normal users to make assumptions based on little evidence.
You act as if the site is plagued with fake giveaways. Support themselves say the number is very low. They also say that most giveaways that turn out to be fake last a week or more.
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What's the point of deleting a giveaway already closed? None. That's what I'm saying.
I never said that the site is full of fake giveaways, that's your assumption. I'm just saying, for the bazillion time, that it happens. I'm not going to add more because I already talked way too much about this. Please, read these messages again, and anwser only if you've got something new to say to me.
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I've got something new to say. You're wrong. About everything. There's never any reason or any excuse to call out submitters. Fake giveaways aren't even a problem. They don't even affect you apart from giving you more points, so if anything you should shut up and thank them. You're just rude and entitled. The rules are there for a reason, and if you don't like them, you're free to leave.
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Well that's nothing new, you're all saying that all day :)
And again, I talked way too much about this and I'm not going to do it anymore (read all the messages please).
I'll summarize though: I never said that they are a problem TO ME. It's the opposite. This proves that you didn't read my messages at all before intruding in the discussion. sigh
I don't care about wasting points or stuff like that. If I see that a giveaway is probably fake, I don't enter it. But many others do enter, and the winner gets the disappointment of winning nothing (that of course is worse than not winning at all). Yes, it's not the end of the world, but if I can prevent that by warning users not to enter, why shouldn't I? I won a giveaway once that was fake. I know how it feels, and I would have liked that other users had warned me not to enter.
On the other hand, if a user makes a giveaway, and he is being called out by another while he really means to give away the game, what happens? It happens that 1 guy offended the user, while thousands other thank him. Should he feel bad because a user said "fake"? Of course not.
And by the way, if you had the decency of reading what I said you would see that I wasn't rude to anyone, at all. You on the other hand intruded in the discussion without all the informations, accusing me of being rude and telling me to shut up. Well, sorry but YOU are kind of rude, even if maybe you didn't mean to.
The rules are made by humans, aren't they? What makes the rules perfect? Rules are born from discussion on certain topics, and that's what is happening now.
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"Yes, it's not the end of the world, but if I can prevent that by warning users not to enter, why shouldn't I?"
Because you can't. You don't have any special power to see anything about giveaways that everyone else can't also see. People who are still entering either
A) aren't even looking at the giveaways and just entering anything, in which case they certainly won't check the comments and they will never even see your message, or
B) they know full well what you do and they're taking their chances anyway.
You accomplish nothing, except harassing the submitter. You've never saved anyone from anything by it, and you never will.
And even if you were, it is never worth even one submitter being harassed. People are disappointed by giveaways all the time, even legitimate ones. There is no number of disappointed winners that ever justifies it. If it's that important to them, they should pay attention to what they enter instead of just entering everything. You act like everyone who enters a fake giveaway goes through this. In reality, most of them just lose like they would anyway. A whole one person who blindly clicked the button or else entered knowing the risks winds up with disappointment, and it's their own fault in that case, either because of their ignorance or their knowing acceptance of risk.
Of course, if you had the decency to check my other comment in this thread, you'd have already known most of this.
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You conveniently avoided a lot of parts of my message, bravo. You aren't even going to apologize for telling me to shut up? Very nice indeed.
No, not everyone fall in category A or B. I always check the comments for example. Once I entered a giveaway and there was no comment telling that it was fake. It was a minor game, so I didn't thought that it could be fake, so I didn't check the user out. I entered, won, and didn't receive the game (the creator was aware of how the site worked, just wanted to get free contribution points). Do you think I would have entered if someone would have said that it wasn't real in the giveaway? Was it my fault for not looking at the user account? Should I look at EVERY account whenever I enter a giveaway?
If someone would have commented telling that it was fake, he would have accomplished something.
When did I say that everyone goes through it? I said that the winner (single person) goes through it. The disappointment from NOT winning is A LOT minor than the one of actually WINNING NOTHING, especially if the giveaways has thousands of entries (which happens a lost with fake giveaways).
You didn't have the decency of reading my posts, so why should I have the decency of reading yours? Besideds, look at the freaking chain that was born from my message. If I had to read all the messages in the topic I would have something to do for an entire day.
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"[ . . . ] so I didn't check the user out [ . . . ] Was it my fault for not looking at the user account? [ . . . ]"
Yes, it was. I just said that in my last post. You're responsible for your own actions, including entering giveaways. If you didn't bother to do your homework, you have no one to blame but yourself.
And the disappointment I was talking about was winning and not getting a game. We get tickets all the time where someone wasn't able to receive their win because of a mix-up where a key is invalid or region-restricted or any number of other reasons, but they don't keep crying about it months later.
And there's a big difference between you reading the one post I made that explained why it's pointless to harass submitters and you expecting me to read your dozens of posts that all basically say, "I entered a fake giveaway and won and I feel so entitled to the free things I'm getting that it hurt my feelings so much I want to get revenge by harassing everyone who submits a giveaway that's even slightly suspicious, but the rules don't let me and I think that's unfair."
You don't have to like the rules, but you have to follow them. Your disappointment is not important, and it never justifies harassing anyone because they decided to give something away for free. If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave at any time.
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And yet again, you conveniently avoided parts of my previous message. And yet again you prove to be rude.
But anyway lol, you really think that what I'm saying is something like a revenge for what happened to me? What happened to me was the giveaway creator's fault, and if I have to be mad at someone, it's him, not you or anyone else. What I'm saying today is what I thought even before that it happened. I only had my usual dumb luck and get a chance to "feel" it for myself.
If you get a lottery ticket for free, and won, but something happened and you can't get your money, would be like "whatever"? You'd be pissed. Don't tell me you wouldn't, because it would be even pointless to continue the discussion. Yes, it's like it never happened in the end, but still, doesn't disappoint you?
If you had the decency (AGAIN) to read my other messages, you would find out that I condemn people that insults others in suspicious giveaways. I agree that the message should be informative, non offencive. Do you think I insult a giveaway creator for no reason? Do I look like that kind of person, honestly?
I don't have to like the rules, but as I said before rules are made by normal people, and as all things, are affected by errors. You're not even considering the possibility of changing it, like rules are permanent. Rules can change, as you did in the past.
I even proposed a different method for the support button to another mod in my previous posts, but she stopped anwesering me back. That wasn't very polite. Even if the idea is shit, good ideas are born from discussion, from confronting different opinions and differents point of views. Otherwise it's just a dictatorship.
Oh I forgot to say. You are ASSUMING the I basically say "I entered a blabla", but if I assume that a giveaway is not real I'm in the wrong? Hypocrisy anyone?
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I think deleted giveaways refund points(not sure though), if so theres literally zero reason to harass the gifter because it may be fake and all the reason to report it if it turns out to be. so you're going about your goal exactly wrong.(not that fake giveaways always get deleted I think(so usually you just lose the points, but you almost certainly were going to even if real anyway), but if they do I don't think it matters if they already ended?
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Again, for the hundred time, I'm not saying that it's always like that. USUALLY it is. Come on, seriously now, how many times turn out to be a fake giveaway? For 10 giveaways made, 9 are not real. Probably if we could see the real statistics, it would be definetly more, but still, like this, what makes you think this?
Please, if you're going to intrude in the conversation, have the decency to read everything that was said.
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Oh come on, Kent, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. And that's known by 70% of the population.
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And with that, you just scared off someone who was actually willing to give away non-sale full price games...
You say you feel like proving people wrong (or the creators of such). But the examples you talk about (as far as I've read, not read ALL of your comments) are about work and the like. Well, in that prospect, sg is based on çharity', not business.
What would your reaction be if you entered a room ful of strangers and said: Free cake for everyone!
And the first respones were like: "FAKE", "Don't take it, it's probably not even cake!", "He doesn't even have cake at home, so this can't be his own cake!"
Maybe you are one of the few persons that would feel like proving them wrong, but I sure as hell would take my cake back to someone else. Or the next cake for that matter.
In their defence, the people in the room can claim to have gotten fake cakes often from people who enter th room the way you did. But that person doesn't know. He just comes in smiling, thinking to be nice and give something away for free, and then get's shouted at.
Oh, and it's not like a fake cake would be poisoned or anything, so why warn everybody about it? The cake would simply be a lie.
So no, in this regard, I think the rules should be followed, not just because it's the rules, but also because of being a decent human being.
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I like it how some call it fake, but still enter anyways :D What's the point in calling it fake in the first place then?
On top of pissing off new members, you're screwing other members from entering a valid giveaway.
ahoym8 - professional leecher
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