Just create your giveaways with a level requirement.
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I considered that, but if everyone did that, every 0 level contributor would never be able to win something.... And it took the reality of winning twice for me to want to participate in giving away myself...
Get where I'm coming from?
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Apparently I was wrong; I just checked sgtool on a user that was level 1, and the requirement is apparently $.01, with level 2 starting at $25. Makes sense, I guess? However, the numbers aren't truly double then, because otherwise there's no way to get back to $250 (because it would go 50-100-200-400, and level 5 is $250...)
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you can actually use a free game (like the game that Indiegala gives away) and get level 1 for free :\
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I might be wrong, but don't they only delete giveaways that didn't end, so if you made it a one hour giveaway and were lucky enough you'll get your 15%?
Anyway, doing this can get you into blacklists, which might be worse. Easier to just activate that free game, get cards (either now or in few months) and just buy cheapest game on weeklong deal.
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It would be nice but I don't think that'll happen.
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I don't know I have a few guys in my bl with only 1 ga (Glacier 3: The Meltdown) and level 1
so... I don't know if they can do that.
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Indie Gala, Humble Bundle and other massive freebies are removed but there is tons of level 1 who just gave away games that were given for free on GMG or other sites, and these games will be never be removed, since they weren't given massively for free.
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Yeah it sucks that people game the system like that, but what can you do . _.
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okay, thx for the info, but that's not what I said.
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Yes and no, if you are fast enough you can create a lot of giveaways for free games, those games are manually removed from the list.
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I had 4 GA's under my belt before I won anything on here. I appreciate that not everybody can afford to give games away whenever they feel like it, but you can sell a few cards, emoticons, etc. and use that money to buy a cheap game on sale and get level 1 easy peasy.
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well if you're scrambling to find a few cents from steam items, it's very unlikely you would want to 'waste' that on giveaways
the main issue is so many people buy bundles & have spares, so those should be given away sometime... like mine.. i'm lazy... soon though, i only started visiting these giveaway sites in the last few weeks
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'Waste' is definitely the wrong word in the context of a site that deals in generosity. One should either see this as a contribution towards a community of common practice, or, for those more capitalism-minded, as an investment in achieving better GAs.
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despair was 9 cents once like a couple of cards sold and u can get level 1
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obviously, but people that are that into trading & market prices & sale watching have some money to begin with & sometimes end up doing 'full time' work in the market
if someone has no money & only a few cards, they dont care about giving things away (they are probably a teenager or below, too)
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You can make a steam group for that, and make a group giveaway as a work around.
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Yes, many people went this way. That's also the way things were before CV, people made groups for those who gave a lot. If CV still worked that way I'd be okay with leaving everything to work that way, but if the system has a built-in method to reward "deserving" people, I feel that people who won little are more deserving than people who gift a lot (and often have won a lot), and that should be formalised too.
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There are no level 0 contributors, and it's really hard to be a level 1 contributor (giving away a $1 first tier bundle games from pretty much any bundle will probably get you up to level 2). I.e. if you take the current humble bundle, first tier is about $70 worth. Now, i'm not sure if the old "first $30 always counts as non-bundle" rule still applies, but even if it doesn't and you get only 1/5 of the value, you're more than halfway to level 2 with a single dollar...
I only make lvl2 giveaways, mainly because i don't get to contend with people who don't know how things work (don't activate gifts, don't mark as received and other annoying stuff). Anyone who has taken a couple minutes to actually make a single giveaway probably knows how everything works.
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If it's an extreme case like you described with winning $300-1000 while never having created a giveaway, I usually blacklist them, yes.
I mean I know that there are people out there who don't have that much money but I'm not rich either and yet I at least manage to give away a few bundled games which I don't really want myself from time to time.
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Remember "300 to 1000" is at full price, but most bundle games are $1 or less, so that is not a fair comparison. Some people take and some people give. It has always been that way and it always will be that way.
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I got my first win today. I've been here for 6 months (however not as active as I am now). I'm finally hosting my first two giveaway.
My point? Well. You are, in fact, the first person I've seen who said something like
I considered that, but if everyone did that, every 0 level contributor would never be able to win something.... And it took the reality of winning twice for me to want to participate in giving away myself...
Instead of just
Just create your giveaways with a level requirement.
Which is too simple of an alternative.
Why don't you balance things out? Many (experienced) people here do it like this:
Hope this helps (:
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See, you're exactly the person I'm not trying to alienate :)
Good Suggestions.
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I'm sure you can turn giving away into a fun sport for you too (with the correct filtering) without keeping people out.
My suggestions weren't as good as your kindness to others for deciding to ask around for them. (:
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I read addicted instead of active, and didn't thought it was out of place.
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The whitelist is a great way to ensure the winners are worthy of winning. Whenever I see forum posts that I like I whitelist the poster. You, for example, are already on my whitelist, so it's probably not your first good post ;-)
I also whitelist members with exceptionally good ratio, and there are plenty of those around here. Soon I'm going to switch to do only whitelist-based giveaways. I currently have around 150 people in my whitelist. When I hit 300 or 400 hundred I'll move away from public giveaways, at least for games that are supposed to be good.
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The whitelist is a great way to ensure the winners are worthy of winning. Whenever I see forum posts that I like I whitelist the poster.
I also whitelist members with exceptionally good ratio, and there are plenty of those around here.
This is such a fantastic idea! It never even occurred to me. Oh, I shall now follow your trend for the day when it will become useful (:
You, for example, are already on my whitelist, so it's probably not your first good post ;-)
Mommy this man is stalking me on-line! It's actually pretty cool to know that. I shall whitelist you too! (the first one of many on mine, I hope!)
claps hands I'll silently creep and await for those giveaways, kind sir and make sure to make my own when I have collected enough souls as well
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The wait wasn't long:
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/yXfK8/eidolon
Good luck if you decide to join! :-)
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i started to blacklist people with a ratio worse than 1:8 won/sent (starting with 9 won games without anything sent, so new users have a big chance to avoid it).
also, creating GAs with lv1+ is recommended. you will avoid most trouble with regifters/beggars/etc (i said most, not all).
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I never really cared, which is why none of my GAs have had a level requirement, and they never will.
What I do care about is wether people are more active community members or not - main reason why most of my GA's have been going through these forums instead of being public.
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Really bad ratios, thank spamming, not reading descriptions and behaving rude lands people on my blacklist. I only create lvl 1+ nowadays and it basically takes a $1 bundle to get there. If they can't afford that I think they should get off this site in hope of free games and actually start making a living or playing free games etc. Maybe I'm being hard on people but isn't there some truth to where I'm coming from?
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Agreed. Occasionally I'll make a totally free giveaway, but mostly I just level 1+ and pretend the people who get on my nerves don't exist! I also do reading comprehension giveaways and blacklist anyone who fails (usually the requirement is don't post thanks).
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Well, while you are right, I disagree with you.
For example, I make a living, I go to work, pay my bills, food, medicine, etc. And you may not believe me, but I dont have enough money to buy a 1$ bundle (completely literal here)
Again, you are totally right but I (and Im speaking only for me instead of the thousands of users that doesnt make a GA) have it hard to get games for me. If its not easy task to get a game for me, do you think that I will spend my time in getting a game for someone else? A stranger that I dont even know? It sounds selfish and it is but when your salary is around 1.5$ per week you just cant spend money on unnecessary things, and games are not necessary
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I totally understand but you have at least made the effort and given away a few games. A lot of people on this site aren't rich but as long as you've tried to contribute something to the site it's okay in my book. Besides you've given away some good games which to me is better than giving away a high quantity of bad bundle games (which is what I do). And you do have almost 300 games on Steam too which is more than enough to last you on a rainy day. As you said games aren't a necessity which is why I don't feel bad setting my level restriction at 1.
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I totally get where you are coming from, I had a little windfall of spare cash and picked up a prepaid mastercard so I could buy a few bundles... that was my limit for spending... and I'm stretching it. But in the process, I figured if I spent an additional 50 cents at DIG, I could get another set of keys which I could use... so ... that's part of what I've done.
But I get where you are coming from.
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I don't care that much. A lot of my giveaways have level 1+ because I figure that way users know the site and there's less chance of having to deal with user error, but I don't mind if people have bad ratios, as long as they aren't jerks. At one point I too was a leech, and then I started my bundle addiction and had to get rid of keys somehow...
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Blacklist them and/or make GAs for high levels.
Personally I dont care much about it, mostly because I have been (and currently I am) in the place of typical guy that doesnt have enough money to buy games gift them to strangers.
Anyway every time you see a user that is abusing the system by winning a shit ton of games but never made a GA just blacklist them, easy peesy
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Now that you mentioned it I started looking at people who joined my GA and started blacklisting those who appear too greedy. But also whitelisting the really generous people.
Kinda regret I made my first one free for all. Hope it will go to someone deserving, as I actually bought it full price.
I will also only hold Level 1+ GAs from now on. And maybe more whitelist and forum ones in the future. We'll see.
Phew, so much to learn about this community when you're still new.
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I know what you mean, I only started really talking today... prior to this, I was entering giveaways and hosting, that was it... then I randomly saw a few threads and decided to speak up. :)
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Wow this entire thread is disgusting.
We're here to spread happiness not to be cynical jackholes. Some people just can't afford to give away stuff.
I didn't come here expecting to win anything.
I came here to spread a little joy. I don't care who wins my games or what they do with them. I haven't given away the most expensive of games and a lot of them I have given away were bundled, but the point is, people should be far less concerned about how many other games people have won and given away and take a little more joy in spreading around some fun that others may not be able to afford on their own.
Don't judge people, judge only yourself.
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I guess it depends on your perspective. I understand your point of view,
I would just prefer that I'm spreading happiness to people who have received less.
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100% agree.
This site would be just that much more pleasant if everyone were as selfless as you (and a few other SG users) are. Way too many people here only care about CV (which has no informative value whatsoever).
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While we're at it: I observed that some people seem to have made their only few GAs all, say, 2 years ago. Maybe that's when they first started out and only wanted to boost their level to join even more GAs? Because from then it seems to have been all reaping and no more sowing for them. (Even though some discounted games on Steam cost no more than the equivalent of 3-4 trading cards.)
xD
Sorry for being a cynical jackhole. I couldn't survive in the real world if I wasn't.
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There was CV back then, you'd still want to raise that.
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http://www.sgtools.tk/sent/Jarda
Your actual cv is $24.60 and level 2 starts at $25.
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My pleasure! If you use firefox get Grease Monkey add on and install this script.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/10120-add-links-to-sgtools
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I did my first GA before winning anything. I liked the idea and I wanted to contribute.
I did too! And then on the same day I created my first GA, I won my first GA as well! Karma has a way of doing good too, doesn't it?
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I have been giving setting a level requirement equal to my own level (give or take a few) as I've been going along here. It does a couple of things for me:
The higher I set the level, the fewer leeches get my games.
The higher I set the level, the more it encourages me to give more games away.
Do I feel bad for those who can't enter my giveaways? No. It's not hard to gain levels here. Even donating a couple of bucks to get a bundle or two will get you to level 2. Yes, I understand that a lot of people don't have jobs or an income to buy games. But creating level 0 giveaways only encourages complacency and people to make scripts to click the buttons for them.
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Did you come here only to gift games to certain types of people? If so then use the mechanics of this site which allow you to most closely adhere to that intent, e.g. blacklists and level requirements.
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Not particularly, though when I was noticing people who had won so much, and the few people with old accounts who had won next to nothing... I sort of felt like maybe I should try to level the playing field...
Not entirely sure, that's why I'm exploring in a thread and getting feedback.
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i'd rather my giveaways go to people who want to play the game i'm giving away. even better if they are looking for something new to play but can't afford to buy it. i don't care if the winner of my giveaway has won 20 games and never given anything away here.
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steam profiles show game time, but i guess especially if it's a game with cards that might just be idle time. i just don't worry about it.
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The way I "handle" those who have never done a GA is that most of my giveaways have a minimum level requirement, with the occasional "open to everyone" giveaway. The real reason however, is to filter out the ungrateful leeches who would enter for anything and trade their winnings away as soon as they receive them.
There is no shortage of level 0 giveaways as everyone gives with a different philosophy and there are many who are of the opinion that those who have contributed in the past should do it out of generosity anyway and don't need special treatment, or that they simply don't need to win as much as others who can't afford to make a giveaway.
As long as there are a wide variety of users giving with various mindsets, the community will keep thriving.
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Fair point.
There aren't a shortage of level 0 GAs.
With everyone having their own philosophies on what a GA should consist of, and this thread has shown there are plenty of people who will continue to do level 0 GAs... the community will thrive.
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Oh I know they're not allowed to. It doesn't prevent them from doing so. So many users don't read the FAQ.
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u forgot the real purpos of this site...is to give to the people who cant get by them self...the doesnt need t give ...cuz a lot of them cant a afford buying...and some can buy..but they really not hav to give away...and that also the purpos of the contribute lvl
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Honestly I don't care, I give away games because I have the option to give away some games, I don't need them and I don't care what people do with them. If a person that received my game won't give away a game in his life, then it's fine, it's part of this site's system. There will be people that come here simply because they want to get some free games. If the site worked in a "fair" way, then the site would not allow people to enter giveaways unless they balance their giveaway count. At this point, wouldn't this site be called SteamTrading? Cause all you do is give and receive an equal value at that point.
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When I donate money or stuff to charity, I never question how much does the recipient contribute to the world. I use the same mindset for giving away in this site. If the leechers keeps getting free stuff and cant afford to giveaway, then they must have a very sucky life.
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Ironically, your post just made me add you to my whitelist. It's ironic because the main purpose of the whitelist is to eliminate leechers, an action which to a large degree goes against the spirit of your post. Still, I can both respect your opinion (I really do) and choose a different policy.
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So, I joined only a few weeks ago, and as soon as I won something I was excited.
AT THAT POINT, I had never hosted a giveaway. So I get being new and that being a good reason for level 0 Giveaways.
My question is, how do you handle people if you ever bother to check out who joined your giveaway?
About 2/3's of the people who join mine, seem to have contributed back to SG, but 1/3 of them, have never hosted a giveaway.
I was astounded because it only took me winning 2 giveaways to NEED to do some of my own, or I would feel guilty. (Yes, my games currently have been all left over from bundles, but I'm a new sub teacher, and I'm very tight on funds this summer... I managed to get called ONCE for summer school... yay.)
Anyways... I saw users who have won $300-1000 worth of games and have NEVER hosted their own giveaway...
Do you let them continue to join your Giveaways or do you Blacklist them?
Curious cause I'm new and am looking for feedback.
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