At least you & knsys trying to help.Some actions here on Steam Gifts last forever until something happens.THANK YOU !!!
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I just hope ArchiBot continues following Asimov's three rules even after further development. :D
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At some point in the near future ArchiBot will build a time machine and change Asimov's views, so changing the three rules.... We are doomed!
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I've been too lazy to report to knsys directly. It was a gate of train, and I could find more invalid entries almost every wagon(20!), but I didn't know how to collect data. Do you need all the urls of protected wagons?
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just wanted to point out I can speculate who leaked the giveaway link based on them being the only one (based on the 20ish entries before the invalids) being friend's with the invalid entry but there's no solid evidence that it was him/her.
edit: hmm starting to wonder should i have maybe waited till the giveaway ended just in case lol w/e
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Hi JustArchi,
can you please check again 532b0619-a4bf-11e5-b2c0-0663045ed9e8 ?
Is there any difference (number of invalid entries) 4 days ago and today ?
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So we have 6 "new" invalid entries even if the giveaway has already ended 2 months ago ?
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Okay,shouldn't they be ignored (or not counted) to prevent false/positive reports ?
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Why would they only appear now ? It ended 2 months ago, so why was their entry valid then, and now invalid ?
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Long story short:
Now invalid entries are more precise, and validating after the giveaway ended is no longer a valid strategy to not appear as invalid entry. If a user entered a giveaway but got the url after the giveaway is closed it's because he entered with a leaked url, since you cannot join a closed giveaway in steamgifts.
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Now invalid entries are more precise, and validating after the giveaway ended is no longer a valid strategy to not appear as invalid entry. If a user entered a giveaway but got the url after the giveaway is closed it's because he entered with a leaked url, since you cannot join a closed giveaway in steamgifts.
I dont really understand how do you know if people used leaked giveaway after the giveaway is ended, lets say, giveaway ended, and some of the entrants posted that link to brag about what he won - everyone who just click on the link banned? Because they entered the link (they didnt participated in the giveaway for obvious reason ITS ENDED) so how do you ban people and for what lol.
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Imagine user entered giveaway on 6th March, giveaway finished on 7th, and user passed SGT check on 8th.
Previously, user would be valid entry, as he passed SGT check.
Now user is invalid entry, because he obtained giveaway through leaked link, then passed the check.
Whether that is proper or not is up to KnSYS, it's basically joining the giveaway behind puzzle first then doing a puzzle. This is NOT proper if you did a puzzle after giveaway finished, don't you think?
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Got It, thanks. It makes sense to me, as long as they can still validate their entry if they pass it before the giveaway ends (which seems to be how it works if I get this correctly).
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Well,the giveaway has already ended in this case and i don't want punish people later because they entered "just for fun" or "testing" purpose :)
In the worst case they try to enter shortly after a giveaway has ended.I wouldn't put them on the same level as people who definitely cheating during the ongoing giveaway.
Therefore my suggestion to ignore (or not count as invalid) those entries after the ga has ended.
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I think you didn't fully understood that, I'll try to explain it better.
Invalid entries are calculated this way.
TL\DR: An invalid entry is an actual entry on Steamgifts giveaway, not people who clicked on sgtools to check the giveaway. (There are a lot of people who pass sgtools to just check chat inside giveaways).
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Ok JustArchi,we have a new record :)
....but you have (hopefully) ignored the invalid entries after the giveaway has ended ?
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Is this a "YES" or "NO" ?
Of course it's your decision how to handle this but (in my opinion) invalid entries should be ignored if the giveaway has already ended.They should not be punished.
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No, it's not my decision how to handle this. I decide whether the guy is guilty or not, and according to the system he did obtain a link (and entered giveaway) before passing SGT, so this is joining through leaked link. What to do with that outcome is up to KnSYS and his system.
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They only show up as invalid if they passed the check after the giveaway ended AND they actually entered the giveaway (which means they accessed it before the giveaway ended and before they passed the test). If you pass the sgtools test after the giveaway ended but never actually entered the giveaway then you won't be flagged.
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hi, weird question -
is there some other dedicated thread where i could post this
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/b736C/tool-sgtools-new-userscriptblack-dark-blue-styles-back/search?page=13#7VNwurV
(again) to be dealt with?
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The giveaway creator selected the wrong package so you should contact him and ask him to submit a ticket in the "Change Giveaway Game" category and choose the Deux Ex Collection with /sub/15147/ in the URL as the replacement game. Until this is done, you should remove the "Received" feedback from the giveaway.
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Hmm too much of a hassle - thank you though for pointing out what the exact issue is.
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Time to catch up with myself
There are 4-5 person overlaps between certain ones, but I think there is at least one unique invalid in each of the giveaways
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Closed until http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/a5haTf1 is resolved.
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SGTools general thread
Do you like SGT cheaters? Neither do we. As you might know, we're taking seriously every attempt of exploiting SGT and your generosity, so we decided to work actively against people who can't play fair by joining SGT-protected giveaways they're not allowed to.
Process is quite simple:
Please make sure to include proper description in your SGT-protected giveaways, such as the one below:
This process is NOT automatic because we can't know if invalid entry is indeed invalid and obtained through leaked link, OR valid by your permission. That's why we ask you to report giveaways with invalid entries, after you've reviewed that those people are indeed cheaters.
Remember about no calling out rule on SG - don't report people, report SGT giveaways with invalid entries. Invalid entries are known only to you (and us - SGT staff). If you need a confirmation of people that have been banned by the system, let me know and I can send that info to you privately (e.g. on your steam comments wall).
Appeals to bans are reviewed by KnSYS in SGT general thread, please use this thread only for reports and questions/issues/discussion related to reporting system. Second thread was created in order to avoid polluting the main thread with reports, as it should stay informative and connected with discussion about SGT in general. Thanks!
In order to save us some work, please report only giveaways with unique invalid entries. Example: If one user cheated in all your 5 SGT giveaways, it's enough to post only one giveaway as a "report" of that user.
FAQ
Q: Are bans really permanent?
A: Bans are permanent and they're issued to people who try to bypass the system. They can however be lifted if they were given accidentally, and the affected user is in fact innocent, that's the only case, as user was banned by a mistake, and mistakes happen.
Q: Is the list of banned people available?
A: It's not yet decided if we want to make that info public or not.
Q: What's the point of that if cheaters were in fact bypassing the SGT?
A: Firstly, cheater will never ever be able to pass any SGT-protected giveaway by himself anymore. Secondly - with every cheater banned from the system, the odds of catching and banning the guy who committed the leak increase as well.
Q: What about potential abuse? I might want to send link to the guy just to see him banned
A: Decision whether to ban the suspected cheater or not is always upon SGT staff. There is no automatic system that bans everyone based on reports sent by user - every case is reviewed. If it turns out that somebody tried to abuse the report center by such action, he will get banned instead, and innocent user will be unbanned.
Q: What if invalid entry is a part of train powered by SGT?
A: Simply include both SGT giveawayID, and in addition to that - SG giveawayID that includes invalid entries (if it's different than the one behind SGT giveawayID)
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