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Do not call out other users.

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I'm calling you out for calling him out for calling someone else out.

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I'm calling you out for calling him out for calling OP out for calling someone else out.

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jazz hands

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I'm calling myself out for calling myself out. Wait...

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I just had to laugh badly in rl :D

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Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy, but you're being called out, maybe.

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What are you on about?

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What did he do?

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I don't get it.

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The point he's trying to make is that this guy is a developer, so he gives away 1000 copies of his game which doesn't cost him anything, then enters high contributor value giveaways, essentially gaming the system (yes bad pun intended).

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I can almost promise this is what OP is getting at.

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He gets the games from the developers, he is not one of them AFAIK.

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Which is why a lot of people, myself included, really frown upon them being known as developer giveaways. Not implying anything about deumas here but speaking in general, another issue is that people worry about how these games were acquired: were they given for the express purpose of the gifter being a middleman, or did they beg for free games? There's been more than one incident where it has been the latter.

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Well, it does say "Featured Giveaway", not "Developer Giveaway". I think it said Developer in the past though.

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It did say it in the past and that featured giveaway tag was a compromise cg and myself came to over our differing views on the subject. I still feel like more could be done to stop abuse, but I'm content for now, especially as the highest cap for contributor giveaways is $2000 right now.

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"There's been more than one incident where it has been the latter." How do you know? :o

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Maybe because he/she is part of support?

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What Crocross said, but I actually knew of at least two before I was a mod and even before developer giveaways were even a thing.

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As a side, just for the future, are of the he or of the she?

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That sentence was scrambled to hell, but I'm going to assume you're asking my gender? Most think I'm a he.

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are you of the* lol

and yeah I worded it oddly, not sure why but I felt like wording it oddly.

Okay, so he it is.

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So? He has developed a game. He worked hard, let him get payed &_&

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I didn't realize steamgifts function was compensation for game developers.

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He's not a dev. He begs devs for free keys to giveaway here.

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Really? Thats gross.

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+1, yeah. I won one of those clones and I thought it was the DEVs giving it away.

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My guess:
He's complaining that that's account is doing dev giveaways (see the current Krater ones) and entering in high contributor value giveaways, or something to that effect at least.

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I still think that developers need to be approved to have separate accounts - one as their official one, for dev giveaways, and one for personal use if they so wish.

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My views. It's been discussed a couple of times between the mods, but the status quo was upheld for now.

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Agree 100%

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Any reason why?

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It's been a while, but I believe the decision ended up being that they are bringing something to the site and (as long as they don't beg for the games), that is worth the contributor points, especially with the $2000 cap for contributor giveaways right now.

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I agree. The thing about dev giveaways is they didn't pay a cent for the games. Yes it's nice of them but they got all of them for free....

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Exactly. And besides, developers don't necessarily represent an individual so much as a company. Companies shouldn't need free games.

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And they gave them away rather than sell them. Sure, its to make more people want them, but it isn't like they couldn't have just sold the games.

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Yeah agreed.

There too many game available. Some are f2p and some are p2p. Too many competition and I bet devs need community to play them instead of wasting them. So that we(gamers) recommend to our friends, making the game more popular. Im speaking of unfamous new game though.

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i agree, i remember a dev guy was giving away some betas for the game Tryst, then he/she entered in some high contributor giveaways and he was hit hard by the community.

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I have no problem with it. The guy hosts huge giveaways, and has a 100% feedback rating on delivering all of them. If he wins a few high end games in the process, then I see no problem with it.

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^^^^ this

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umm... ????

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It wasn't even a high contributor value giveaway. $150? Sounds more like sour grapes and less about about developer giveaways.

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If it weren't for his begging devs for keys, he'd only have bundle crap and free stuff given away.

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So? For about $50 or so dollars people can have about $500 contributor value. All but a few of the giveaways were under $150 contributor value. People are way too concerned about stuff like this. No one complained when he was handing out games. Also if getting keys from devs for free was so easy then someone go out and do it. Still sounds like sore losing from my stand point.

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I agree.

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Just because you work hard to scam doesn't make it any less of a scam or more justified, thats just my view though.

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I don't see it as scamming. It takes skill and salesmanship to work out bug deals like this. It is no different than taking someone out to lunch in order to close a multi-million dollar deal. I think he should have more tact, but I don't think he is to solely to blame.

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Good scams do take skill also you realize right? Many salesmen are scammers in all actuality.

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Then everything can be considered a scam. I agree that all salespeople could be considered scammers. However, all of our buying habits were influenced by someone convincing us that we are making the right choice for their own personal gain.

Edit* I am a saleperson by trade and agree that most sale pitches can fall into the scam category.

Another Edit* I view myself as a public servant giving people what they want and truly need. =p

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This. I'm a sales person by trade too. I lie to people when I sell things. :)

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We don't lie. We tell partial truths and allow the buyer to make up their own minds. We don't have mind control are I would be making more than I do now.

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Yes. Partial truths. Heheh.

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Off topic: I actually argued about partial truths in a computer information course at college, and was they only one in the class that got an "A" in the discussion.

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I guess it comes down to perspective.

I still see this as a scam in a way but it can be argued, I just don't see his wins as fair.

Anything can be argued, for example, what's good for one could be seen as evil to another.

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Very true. I agree that this isn't fair in a way, but I also don't believe this post was meant for the greater good. Everyone has an angle, and for someone who has been here as long as the OP it seems more like a witch hunt. They know and knew better than to call a user out.

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+1

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Yeah really, be more like my post

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Shining light on a problem is awesome. It is not so much what people do, but how they do them in certain cases.

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Very true.

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There's also the 1200, 1500, 2000 dollar contributor value giveaways he's won. Did you see those?

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Yes I did, they are few when compared to the majority of his wins, and the timing between winning the last giveaway and this post is too close to be something other than sore sport in my opinion.

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I doubt this post was sparked by his most recent win. This is something that has come up a few times before, and I'm sure will again.

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Not that I care to get involved but he has a win every week or so as it seems so posting 6 days after a giveaway or any time after it would be "too close" for you..

I don't know but there's no way of telling whether it was due to a certain giveaway or not.

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Most of his recent wins were group or private giveaways.

Edit* Actually almost all of them are.

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If you take a closer look, there are a few $1000+ ones.

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Well then...

O_o

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Shame on you!

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The guy legitimately brought $28,000 worth of games to the site. He doesn't deserve any credit or thanks for that?

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Maybe it was a coupon or the Steam Summer Sale?

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Yes he "brought" 28k worth of games into the site but he didn't "buy" the games like every other user that joins giveaways/creates giveaways does, I'd bet money that he didn't spend a dime on any of the contributor value that he has. That's the point that the OP and a lot of other people in this thread are stressing.

I could have sworn that there was a rule that developers couldn't enter giveaways (JadeFalcon has pointed out that Deumas isn't in fact a dev but just someone who "gets" keys from devs to give away [how he gets them is debatable]) so this user is gaining incredible contributor value while not actually earning it like the rest of us have to.

In the few months that I've been here I don't think I've seen one single other account that's done "dev" giveaways join a giveaway, be it group, private, public or contributor. What makes Deumas so special that he/she is allowed to do it?

I think everyone would like some clarification on whether or not users who are associated with "dev" giveaways are in fact allowed to use their "dev giveaway" contributor value to join regular giveaways.

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I'm not going to name names, but there is one other account that has made (beta) dev giveaways and won several very high contributor level giveaways. For some reason, though, after the win, support said that he is not allowed to enter giveaways anymore (and to report him if we see anymore entries). Yet they say nothing about Deumas.

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is it that guy who gave away Tryst?

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I think that's the cue for the users of Steamgifts to do something about this then, rules aren't selective, if they apply to one account they apply to all others.

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So Metro 2033 should count it's legit.

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Yes, begging for keys from devs to give away here is so much better than giving away tons of exploited keys.

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Where is the line drawn between "begging for keys" and "helping a developer promote his game"?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I still haven't decided how I feel about this.

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Sure, he can help developers but can't receive contributor points for this... he didn't paid anything and didn't create the game...

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Everyone is saying "begging".

Screens or it didn't happen.

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Yeah, the devs are totally just like "oh! Let's find someone random on this steamgifts website and give him all our keys to giveaway! This Deumas guy looks legit, let's give him a bunch of keys!"

Totally.

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This ^

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I don't think he should have this contributor points. Featured and developer giveaways shouldn't count contributor points.

mabako got suspended because he asked for a reroll when deumas won his giveaway with this "fake" contributor points, it isn't fair... he should get unsuspended.
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/OONS0/trine-2-collectors-edition

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Wait, seriously? That's what he was suspended for? :/

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Yes

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worth the suspension. If he won a high contributor giveaway of mine, you can bet I would not give the game to him

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I wouldn't deliver the game too, why should I give game to someone that don't have actual contributor points.

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+1, respect to mabako for that

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He got suspended for not giving the game to that guy? Sad.

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Agree fully. I made a thread about this as well 2 weeks ago

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DOWN FAKE CONTRIBUTORS

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HAHA YOU,sir,should not say a single word about fake contributors

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Its people like the ones above me that have dragged this site down into the cesspool that it has become.

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Who the hell do you think you're? STFU bro, I owe nothing to you, you're nothing to me...
Every thread I see you posting you try to humiliate people. Oh boy he have 2k contributor points but wait...
http://www.steamgifts.com/user/Crossbourne http://www.steamgifts.com/user/MoneyHypeMike

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mh...for someone that was asking with at least 2 different accounts if he could join my group you are quite pissed now. Besides I didnt bring up my contributor value,you did that. Projecting something...?

oh and by your own logic: Deumas owes nothing to you and you are nothing to him,so STFU bro,who the hell do you think you are?

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Umm... That's kind of rich, actually, coming from you. DonVino's right. Also, see my post below.

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With fake contributor I meant games he just got for free from developers...
If get keys from developers is allowed so Metro 2033, Hitman Sniper Challenge and some other games shouldn't be exploited...

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27k in giveaways? definitely legit, lol

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A different video, equally unrelated. Much funnier though ;)

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heh the guy deserves some credit if it where me with that kind of $$$ i would of bought me a nice new Camaro.

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It wasn't his money?

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I read CaMario and wondered why you wanted a color swap for mario

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deumas is a good guy and completely legit

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He shouldn't have any contributor value. I bet he didn't even pay anything to get those games and he is just getting the advantages from them.

I wouldn't give him any game if he won a giveaway from me.

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And that would make you an asshole.

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That's ridiculous, sorry. Do you know how much time, and effort, it costs contacting devs, convincing them to give out some free promotional copies, maintain good contacts with them, and manage all these giveaways / key distributions for 1,000 copies of a game, 100, whatever? Like, seriously, think about it a second. I kind of see what you mean, but when someone does that much - read: "invests so much personal time" - for the gaming community (promoting games for devs, good for them, makes for more and better, more innovative, creative games from the smaller devs), steamgifts community (giveaways for you and me), don't you think it's kind of fair he can enter high contrib giveaways? Seeing as how, they're for rewarding people that in some way contribute?

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Or were you just looking at it from a selfish, ego-based point of view, where contrib. value purely is a stat showing the level of giveaway you can enter, that you try to get higher and higher as cheaply as possible, or rather - how much chance you get at free games?

.. looks at your profile

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Thought so.

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/thread ?

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Wooooooooooah cooool!! So next time I want to 'win' a discussion, I'll have to remember to use lots of

double spacing

and BOLD TYPE

no wait...

LARGERRRRR

then close the /thread

I WILL HAVE WON THE INTERWEBS!!!! MUAHAHAHAHA

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Agree with my formatting choices or not, I used them for visual effect and to add an extra layer of communication to the message, so pretty resourceful and well reasoned use of that formatting, actually. Not a case of e-peening, like you suggest. Like, - funnily enough - well, you just did with your post.

Anyway, like I was saying - agree or not with the formatting, it's a superficial thing anyway. Try commenting on the message, the actual content, instead. Makes you sound smart.

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:)
Your argument was a personal attack on someone for their supposed attitude problem, like, funnily enough - well, you just did with me. My tongue-in-cheek point is that a well-reasoned argument need not rely on cheap tricks to gain legitimacy.

As to a factual comment, posted one an hour ago.
Tucks e-peen away ;)

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^ So true!

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It´s not like you give away good games, so i don´t think he would give a shit!

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So he shouldn't get anything for convincing devs to give him games for the site to giveaway to you people jesus you guys are all selfish I remember why I hate this place as of recently.
You know he could just be selling those games or keeping them for himself but no he gives them away to others why are there so many un-greatful jackasses on this site now.

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Can'T upvote you... sad :/

+1

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In general, I think SG is a good avenue for developers to give their games some publicity. A developer giveaway generates a lot of goodwill toward that particular developer. It should be common sense to not squander that goodwill by generating controversy among the community you have just used resources to win over. In the case of deumas, the developer would have no control over his actions, so it seems a somewhat naive move in hindsight. Developers should have developer accounts, and fully reap the benefits of their promotions. Warranted or not, the controversy is there. That makes it bad publicity.

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I'm pretty sure that he can't go around selling the games. I don't think there would be a dev who would just give away the xxxx amount of copies to someone for their personal want of making money.

I mean, I get what you're saying but I highly doubt the option where he just sells the games is on the table. However he got the keys it was clearly for giving away purposes not selling them himself.

That's my thought on it at the least.

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It does look marginally unfair unless it is part of the unknownworld's team.

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that again? Don't overestimate the value of contributor...2k is the max needed to enter everything,with 500 you can enter 99,9%. Also,instead of complaining,try something similiar. Those are legit copies he got from the devs. besides...most guys complaining here are either bundlers or gave away something they got for free anywhere...so lol.

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Always the bundlers, people PURELY trying to "win sgifts", basically, who just see contrib. value as a stat you battle to get higher with the best available strategy, as cheaply as possible, for more free shit, who complain the loudest about stuff like this, and have the greatest lack of empathy / (used google trans) Einfühlungsvermögen. See my other, slightly bigger (literally :P) post on here. Only got 3 other posts here.

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I'm surprised that you have opened a thread like this, you should know very well that posting the name of another user always ends with the thread gets locked.

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doesn't matter as long he gives the copies

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I think a mod should shut this thread down . . . If you look at the giveaways won then there's no reason to comp. . I think if he's giving dev' giveaways under his own account he should be honest and make a dev accn't but that not here or there. This thread is calling out someone who's won 1 1$ giveaway that was 2k cont value. . . Meh. Calling out a gifter is crazy, exp when they've given more then they've taken. . .

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In the last two months, he's won 14 giveaways he wouldn't have been eligible for without these "developer" contributions.

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If you read the thread you'll notice that a moderator has actually posted in this thread at least twice.

So at least one moderator knows of this thread and they've decided to leave it open.

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