If every giveaways are Fortix, you just need minimum 2000 P
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Yup.
Also, nothing like "I haven't won in 5000 entries, so I must surely win soon" works. If such a person continues entering contests with 1000 participants each, then there is still just the 63.2% chance of winning by the time they reach 6000. And if they don't win, then the chance of winning before they reach 7000 entries is again 63.2%. Ah, sweet probability theory. :-)
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Thank you for pointing this out, saved me the hassle of saying it. So for all reading this thread, always remember: When dealing with anything based purely on chance, past results have absolutely no effect on future events.
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When you enter a giveaway where the number of gifts is equal to the number of participants, or higher. Otherwise, no.
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My formula is much easier:
50% chance you win
50% chance you don't win
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If only it were that simple, but imagine if a giveaway has 1000 entrants and each one has a 50/50 chance of winning. We're talking madness of near Lovecraft proportions.
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If a giveaway had 1000 entrants and everyone had a 50% chance of winning, we would need fully fleshed binomial distribution math to see what the chances are that only one person would win! Let's see... [checks google]
Pr(1 winner) = (1000 choose 1)0.5^1(1-0.5)^1000-1), 1000 choose 1 = 1000 choose 1 = 1000!/1!*(1000-1)! = 1000, Pr(1 winner) = (1000)(0.5)(0.5)^999 = approx. 9.3326361850321887899008954472382e-297 % or in other words infinitesimally small and improbable. So basically, there'd have to be multiple (probably more like a boatload of) prizes for the massive likelihood of multiple winners.
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That doesn't seem right though...Wouldn't it be on a giveaway by giveaway basis?
That's like saying if I play the lottery a million times I have a 20% chance of winning eventually. It's still a 1/1000 chance each time.
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If it helps, imagine you're trying to get a coin to show heads for ten, twenty, fifty, even 100 flips. It may take a loooooooooooooong time but if you perform a large enough set of trials the chances of getting the desired result do improve. They never become guaranteed, but they do improve.
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Explanation of math - first, as drumm says, a person in a contest with 1000 people has a 0.1% chance to win. That is also a 99.9% chance to lose, and if you enter, say, 1000 contests with 1000 people, that is still a 99.9% chance to lose any one of them individually. The chance to lose every single last one of them when considered as a straight set of trials, on the other hand, is .999^1000 or approximately 36.8%, and the chance that you will win at least one of those 1000 contests (no guarantees on which one) is therefore 63.2%. The gambler's fallacy chuckie mentioned is also a key thing to keep in mind when looking at stuff this way, although really the best thing to do in general is relax and enjoy the fact that this place even exists.
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Excellent point here. The math is fantastic, but people need to not worry so much. This site is all the fun of gambling without the actual cost (except to the very generous gifters).
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I was thinking the same thing... It doesn't set the probability of you winning based on ALL your entries but just that game so it does not matter how many you enter, its always a game to game probability.
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Tossing this thread a random bump since there's been so many people lately complaining about not having any wins.
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sometimes I think the probability distribution is memoryless... it doesn't matter how many times I've already entered, it's still just as low...
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Think no more, that's exactly how it is. Probability relies completely on the present situation, not the outcome of past events. If there are 1000 people in a giveaway, you have a 0.1% chance of winning. If every giveaway was like this then you would have a 0.1% chance of winning any one individual giveaway.
Most people think that if you enter 500 giveaways (all with 1000 entries)then you have a 50% chance to have won a game at SOME point, and this is mathematically sound, but each giveaway you enter still only has a 0.1% chance of winning. So although math would show that you could have a 100% chance of winning something by entering 1000 giveaways with 1000 people in them, you could realistically go 2000 entries before your first win (not saying that you actually will...that would just be depressing).
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The only math that shows you could have a 100% chance of winning something by entering 1000 giveaways with 1000 people in them is wrong math. The actual chance is 63.2%, but there is always the chance I calculated it wrong.
EDIT: Actually reading the OP it seems to confirm my calculations. The OP also shows that entering 500 giveaways with 1000 people and thinking you have a 50% is not mathematically sound. You may want to read up on how to calculate probabilities. Having two 50% chances to win is not (50+50 =) 100% chance to win, its 75% chance to win.
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if you’re talking d20 odds for 63.2%, better than a 7 is actually closer at 65% than better than 6 which is 70%. also i don't think most people know that a d10 is normally numbered 0 - 9 while most other dice start at 1.
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Tossing this thread another much-needed bump in the chaotic flood of new members.
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If you enter 500 contests with 1000 participants each, you only have about a 39.4% chance to win at least one, which is slightly less likely than rolling better than a 5 on a d10.
If you entered 1000 contests with 1000 participants each, you still only have about a 63.2% chance to win at least one, which is a bit less likely than rolling better than a 6 on a d20.
If you entered 2000 contests with 1000 participants each, you get about an 86.5% chance to win at least one contest, which is a bit more likely than rolling better than a 3 on a d20.
So in short, don't be sad, just realize that chance is really fickle and that the size of the contests means you have to enter a lot more to have a decent chance of winning anything.
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