some1 make it clicky pls, it doesn't work for me somehow.
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they should...i got DC hook in last year's event, worth of ~50 euros....
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Bitchy behavior? How very statist of you. As a business owner feedback is one of the most valuable things I get from clients. It allows me to better market, provide, and source my business. Even the bitchiest of comments is still helpful and desired. The idea that valve doesn't want, or for that matter appreciate feedback; is not only ignorant, it's pathetically apologistic. Do you think championing for valve to silence the masses puts you in favor with them or something? I find brand loyalty to the point you disparage good consumership the epitome of what it means to be someone's bitch.
As consumer we should feel we have a voice and position to speak it from. I don't suggest consumers come at it from a sense of entitlement but rather we recognize that in any transaction done in a truly free market, both sides should feel equally empowered to say yes or no, or to make their terms.
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I want to contribute to this conversation in a positive way, but I don't play DOTA2 and I cant read. However, that is one cute smiley you got there.
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Again you misrepresent the issue, furthermore if you want to address bad assumption, you shouldn't make poor assumption about the person you are addressing in the same sentence. No I didn't support this uproar, I just don't condone your vitriol against it. It is counterproductive to the path of good consumership. Building a positive consumer community doesn't grow from silence and apathy, it grows with a loud voice that can be tempered and fostered into something more positive. You didn't suggest that they needed to alter their position or drive the behavior into something constructive, you just chastised everyone for voicing an opinion. I can't abide that, I think it's an asinine approach that leads to poor behavior on the corporate side as well as the consumer. And again with this children lollipop tantrum bullshit. It is a bad analogy and doesn't properly address the salient points in the issue. As for being statist, you may not like being called it, but I call a spade a spade. I'd recognize that line of thinking anywhere.
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I can play that too...
Your only expressed point until now was that people's uproar over diretide was wrong, and bad.
As I stated that mindset was pointless and counterproductive. If you want people to have the right approach you don't tell them to shut up, you lead them to where they should be.
Also my only problem with your point, which I certainly did not miss, was that is was simply a negative overstated reaction to what is fundamentally the first step to that positive dialogue you say you agree with.
As far as the statism thing, like I said I call it like I see it. That mindset is pervasive and lies at the heart of working against a vocal consumer. Besides your definition is overly simplistic and refers only to the economic statist, a more accurate description would be;
The political expression of altruism is collectivism or statism, which holds that man’s life and work belong to the state—to society, to the group, the gang, the race, the nation—and that the state may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good.
i.e. Those with power hold the cards and we should listen to them and do what they say since they must know better than we, and our interests should be their interests.
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I only pressed you because your position was a little arrogant to begin with. Now on to the meat of it all, maybe you finally see the issue maybe not, but you certainly have the potential. Should people form a constructive focused group to appropriately approach valve with their concerns, and in doing so create a line of dialogue that will result in a healthy and vibrant future for all parties... sure. Is this group capable of doing that, I would press that no they are not. Could they be? I don't know, but seeing that they can get there at all probably gives the situation some hope.
You know what is better than having to ask your representative to support your position... being part of a system that tells your representative what it takes to get re-elected.
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So you're saying it is OK to promise things and then not follow through. (yeah, I know terms/conditions/etc subject to change, etc, etc). It is the principle of the matter (and I've never played DOTA or DOTA2).
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I don't understand how you liken business practices with parenting. If valve had a reputation for not delivering, no one would get into Dota 2 beta in the first place. Valve is free to deliver to the fans and not deliver, it's clearly in their best interest to gratify demands or else players will lose interest and go play LoL instead.What you may not understand is that valve is not doing this for free. Dota 2 isn't a giveaway, they make money of it, lots and lots of money. The diretide spamming is irrelevant. Bitchy behaviour? We are on the internet! It just signifies how much the community wants this feature.
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If the children spent the rest of the time working in the coal mines and delivered a percentage of their pay to the mom on a regular basis for the other food she made, and she charged them for some of the chocolate chips in the cookies, and she wasn't their only mom, and the mom liked it when the kids came over because they gave her more of the pay, and the kids didn't actually damage anything, just shouted annoyingly outside of her house, and the mom wasn't actually there to hear anything but instead some guy she paid who lives in India, and instead of being upset when the mom heard the kids outside her house were angry; she got worried that they might not come over as much, so she made them extra cookies not because she was forced to but rather to entice the kids, and recognizing your assumption that people haven't already learned that behavior at home and are merely displaying their normal reaction instead of a newly learned one is a false one... then ya maybe you are on to something.
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The issue of force was never brought up, simply something your poorly inferred. As I stated the kids have multiple mothers and this mother (valve) must entice the children over to eat her food. If you want to call that by force or imply a tax that is either ignorant of the point, or intellectually dishonest. I think we are done here.
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Whoosh... You think I was constructing a structured and well thought argument? I was simply throwing water on your flaming trash heap of an analogy. It's funny that you should embolden a series of words that never came close to my thoughts on the subject let alone put to words, I suppose it is a form of pre-censor. Furthermore, I am going to let you in on a little marketing secret from someone who knows the industry, Volvo and Valve are both giddy at the attention.
Anyway kid you are boxing well above your weight class here, and all this playing with my food has reminded me I need to cook dinner, peace.
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It isn't so much the lack of Diretide that players were upset over, mainly the lack of communication from Valve. I'm not saying that the community behaved in a smart fashion - rather the opposite - but Valve has been acting like this for as long as Dota has been around and Diretide was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. Valve simply ignores the community and the community got fed up. Here, this will cheer you up.
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When Valve gave no word on Diretide, the community bombed the metacritic score with negative "༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give Diretide" post. You seem to hate the Dota community, so I'd assume you'd find them acting like idiots amusing.
You're correct, nothing does justify their behavior. However, it could easily have been avoided had Valve been more responsive to the community. Hopefully Valve will take away from this that a large portion of their playerbase are complete idiots and that they need to try and keep them in check if they want Dota to have any kind of respect in the gaming community.
Trust me, I know that ~ 75% of the Dota community are idiots. However, that still about 150,000 decent people playing it daily that just want the best possible experience out of the game.
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@Valve Hats are great, but the people want Diretide!
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Haha, I laughed so hard at that =)
Edit: in case someone does not get it, I'll try to explain.
As part of the "Give Diretide" meme, Valve is often called "Volvo".
This resulted in the Volvo's (the car manufacturer) facebook page being spammed with "Give Diretide" (Obama's facebook page got spammed as well).
Volvo even answered to this on their facebook page and on their twitter channel.
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So it's time for you to get a steampowered car ;)
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Finally. They could have it much easier by just saying "Sorry guys, we will give you Diretide in mid November, right after we made that patch that enables custom maps!"...
At least Volvo got some good PR for their smart reaction.
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"listened"
More like got tired of their fanbase acting like fucking retards. Diretide was already planned to ship mid november but the fanbase had to be shit about it. You know you should stop fucking up when the devs of the game you play tell you to stop being an idiot.
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"First, what happened – we didn’t ship a Diretide event this year, and you were rightly upset about it. That was clearly a mistake, and then we compounded the problem by not telling you what was going on."
A lot more about what happened at http://blog.dota2.com/?l=english
Mid November wasn't planned. The ball got dropped due to different goals.
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Well during the development they were never ready in time with anything, according to their promises Dota 2 would still be a beta (because still no parity). Also things they made are pretty half-assed, like a LAN mode that requires internet connection or a guild system that actually adds nothing to the game. [...]
At this time I'm already pleased that they'll do an ingame update that doesn't contain just new Sven swords.
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