Dota 2 vs lol (had to put this up right now XD )

real man play dota.
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StarCraft2 over all this Moba shit.

LoL

Dota 2 isn't bad, but LoL satisfied me more.

I played both a lot and I prefer Dota 2 a lot more. Dota is just more balanced and there are so much tactics and things that you can do that it is incredible, but the game is a lot harder than LoL and takes a lot more time to learn and much much more. That is pretty much the only downside of the game.

What have you done?

What have you done?!

They call it LOL for a reason.

LoL has casual style, mini map,bluepill,etc....
also it becomes pay 2 win, they release new op champion, one week later, they will release another new op champion and they will nerf pre one

I play both, dota is way more complex. Good thing with lol is that you can surrender if you get a crappy team :).

Dota 2 better 100x times. LoL have baby graphics and is toooo easy to play.

hate lol bcoz of the 2D style graphic.

LOVE Dota 2 for the realistic effects and graphics

Sadly LoL because of better balance (in dota there is none), better GUI(in dota its friknig too big and you can not change it), works faster, no retarded pause option (pisses me off when some retarded kids from other team turn on pause one after another).

Dota is more challenging but LoL is more user-friendly, it depends on which you prefer, still, even if you'd like to play dota , it wouldn't be bad to try a little of LoL first, for learning reasons at least.

Before reading, most of what I'm saying about dota2 applies to dota1.

Firstly, there are some main differences, in lol you have runes for some extra earlygame stats, in dota2, you got nothing than the 603 or so gold in a 5 man team, and you've got to figure out how you use that for maximum effectiveness in the start of the laning phase. There are also NO skill trees or the such.

Secondly, if you want to get an item in lol you need to go back, and waaaalk all across the map back your lane(unless you've got the teleport ability, or how was it called). In dota2 you can have the courier get it for you, if it was bought and used by someone (click on donkey icon in inventory). But if you don't have a courier, you have to either get a teleport scroll (135 gold) from a sideshop and teleport back to base, and then run to tower after healing, or go back to base, buy scroll from there and return to lane using scroll.

I barely scratched the surface here... lets go on!

Now, lets dip in the lane, in lol you can either lasthit, or try to harass, or move out of lane at around lvl 6 or earlier, when the hero is most effective to gank, and that's about it, push towers.

In dota2 there are also some mechanics that newer players don't grasp from the first games. Firstly, you can DENY creeps. Denying means attacking your own creeps when they're under 50% health, and it's best to lasthit them. Successful denies yield less exp for the enemies and NO gold. I should try and explain some of the next stuff before I dip into pulling.

The jungle is similar for both sides of the map, but the spots are in different places if it were for a mirror image (lol is just a mirror image, excepting dragon/nashor). And the camps will spawn a random set of creeps at every :00 mark starting from minute 1, if there are no monsters in the camp. That means you can attack the camp (:52~) and run away from the camp, and at :00 new minute, you have 2 sets of creeps, that's called stacking. You can repeat that how many times you want. Also, do note that jungle is not as effective as in lol, it's an option, but not that awesome as the nice amount of gold that you get in lane. After stacking camps you can pull some of the camps to intercept YOUR creeps that come in the lane. Only the safe lanes can do this...goddamnit now I have to explain safe lanes too, **** me. Keep safe lanes in mind; that will cause your creeps to be denied if the camp is stacked, thus enemies will get less exp, and the point of conflict of where the creeps duke it out will be nearer to your tower, which is a good thing; if it's not in its attack range.

Now, safe lanes. Each team has a mid lane, a suicide lane, and a safe lane, and the complementary jungle. Mid is where the character that gets the most advantage at lvl 6 or so sits, thus the ganker usually. The safe lane usually has the first point of conflict near YOUR tower, while the suicide lane has the first point of conflict near THEIR tower, thus safelane is usually the carry that needs the farm to, well, carry. Safelanes can also be helped via the pulling technique; note that it's the support's job. Suicide lanes is oftentimes a very potent combo that can survive any ganks or attempts from the enemy lane to kill them, or a solo laner with an escape mech, survivability or something that can give him farm at a distance.

To note; something I forgot, both sidelanes have a sideshop, which has a selection of items that can be useful, and it's nearer the tower of the enemy safelane tower than yours.

And another thing, in lol you only have one shop, in dota2 you have the main shop, the sideshops, and the secret shop(which is somewhere in between the suicide lane and the mid lane on both sides of the map). Sideshop has some items that appear in the main shop, while offering some other items that can be gotten from the secret shop. The secret shop has NO items from the main shop, but offers expensive items that can be made in very powerful gear...

The gear is the same as in lol, 6 item slots, use them how you like. Unless your name is Syllabear, then you have 12, your bear has 6 slots too.

And the main shop is the only place which sells recipes; recipes are items needed to make even more gear; each recipe is different for every item which requires a recipe.

I think I scratched enough off the surface here, time for the stats.

Lol has different stats for everything, one magic armor, one armor, one attack speed, one damage, one ability power, mana, health, etc. Dota2 is a bit more simpler, Strength, Intelligence, Agility, movement speed, armor, magic armor. These are the basic stats, if it were for me to dig into the damn lifesteal/crit things I'd be sitting here all freaking day. So, each hero has a main stat, if you get 1 point in your mainstat, you also get 1 damage; so if you're a Str hero and get 1 str, you get 1 dmg and the bonus from str, but if you get agility you only get the bonus from agility. Str gives you health and health regen, agility gives you attack speed and armor every so often, intelligence gives you mana and mana regen. That's for scratching the surface here.

Now, abilities, in lol, abilities scale off your ability power, while in dota2 they're fixed amounts, thus lol has better lategame scaling for mage type characters. There are a handful of abilities that can scale in dota2 based off some stats, but they're just a handful. Same goes to attack damage scaling on skills.

I only scratched the surface, but I suppose you get the point.

In conclusion; lol is a dumbed-down version of dota, it might have its differences, but it's still a bit too simple for some. And for incoming messages, yes, I didn't mention about there being no dragon in dota, that runes spawn in the space separating the two sides thus they don't have creeps with special auras that transfer to you after they die, that there are ancient camps that give a lot of gold and are harder to kill than normal camps, but spare me, this was already boring to write.

Lol might help ya learning curve, but it will teach you VERY bad habits for dota.

I prefer LoL by far. I just find the game far more interesting, both to play and watch.

Dota 2 is pretty much better in everything. LoL might only be good if you want to play like once a week casually if you don't have patience to learn Dota.

Well i did say before the difference between the 3 games.. dota2,hon,lol... dota was good for the first time which i mean dota1 and then HoN came with the better stuff and all that... and LoL is different from HOn and Dota btw.. but i do prefer LoL than dota... and now dota2.. pfft.. all that they care about is the graphic which they are over doing it till it became so sick.. even the items they are doing it in 3D look.. and they look so ugly.. and the game still so slow and gloomy.. dark heroes and dark map.. and yea the OVER effects... once the fight start .. effects will take over the area.. i did check the difference between the heroes from HON and DOTA.. i found that HON is way much better and smooth in all the ways..

And yet this is my opinion~

Would have to say Dota 2, Dota, and Hon instead of LoL because you literally have to buy each champion and runes in order to play.

So after a while it becomes play to play more to grind vs play for fun for LoL. Though some people continue playing it for fun and do not consider it grinding for xp/ip for champions and runes. Though a likely 200 hour requirement is quite high just to start playing ranked. With the other games above you have literally every single character to pick from and you can jump right into games that you want.

I've been playing Dota since 6.27, and, while I was never a huge fan of Dota (and its players), I played it only because most netcafes had WarCraft 3 and Counter Strike to play with, so thats what me and my friends stuck to.

I have to say, I found Dota 1 absolutely fidely. The WarCraft 3 engine and interface made it really hard for me to micromanage properly, although I did play fairly well back then anyways. Dota 2 is a vast, vast improvement in that sense.

But this isn't about Dota 2's improvements, isn't it? It's about LoL and Dota 2. And in my opinion, Dota 2 thrashes LoL. Graphically, it is superior. And the gameplay is far better in my opinion. I played LoL for a good 5 hours with friends in the same room one afternoon, and I have to say, the only thing that made it enjoyable was the fact that I was playing with friends.

While I do not wish to generalize, I've had discussions with a friend before. This is what she said on a forum, verbatim:

As a former Dota player, I can't say I completely agree but Dota does have good points in it. The same goes for LoL, and as people have said, if you want to complain, well that's your problem because this is ''League of Legends'', NOT Dota. Yes they have the same gameplay style, but that's all Dota has, LoL has dominion, summoners rift, hell, even proving grounds can be counted.

However, in my opinion of course, Dota 2 just doesn't feel and look like Dota 1. It lost the feel and interest for me. We know Icefrog went with Valve and now the heroes and map doesn't even feel like it had the Warcraft vibe. Basically, Valve just took all the heroes side-names from Warcraft 3 such as Brewmaster, Juggernaut, Pit Lord, Far Seer, and called it there own. Not much creativity there, they just screwed the lore and how the champs felt.

A little bit off-topic but at least Riot is actually great for being their own proud company and bringing their own creativity unlike Valve who simply took Warcraft 3 classes, called it there own, reskinned each hero (of course), and called it a day.

DotA 1 and LoL for life.

While she has a point... I think... Its just a very poor basis to consider Dota 2 inferior to LoL. Especially the whole "reskinned heroes" thing and that Blizzard should've made Dota 2... Yeah...

I enjoy neither, but I have to say LoL is better. Simply because it does not feature denying, a mechanic that I refuse to take seriously. The reason I still don't enjoy it is that it does feature last hitting, another mechanic I refuse to take seriously.

LoL is also made better by the new mode (don't remember the name), the one that doesn't focus on laning.

LoL is pretty much better in everything. Dota 2 might only be good if you want to play like once a week casually if you don't have patience to learn LoL.

I think LOL is much better, it's a shame it's exclusive to the Nintendo DS.

LOL much better then this crap dota

Lol for beginners - Dota(1,2) for hardcore players.

Smite is better than both

If you wanna start getting into the whole MOBA thing you should probably play LoL first because it has easier mechanics and is way slower than DotA2. When you got better and feel like youre ready for a vastly higher challenge you can start playing DotA2, but be warned, the learning curve in DotA2 is way harder than in LoL!