Good luck with your case. Make sure to get a great attorney who specializes in cases of police misconduct/brutality. I'm not familiar with Polish law, but there should be advocates or legal groups who can help people like yourself.
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Well, then it's pretty hard for You, I guess. Well, You gave away Your phone at time X and and got it back at time Y. Can You/Your mobile operator check that somebody used the internet in the time between X and Y and do You have somebody who would prove that You didn't have the mobile phone between X and Y?
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I can do that with ease - the thing is that me proving their missuse of my phone changes nothing. Their case is not about a phone but about me insulting them and resisting arrest. Even if I was right I have no right to insult them or resist arrest.
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Well, then it's hard. If there isn't a camera, it's basically Your word against their word. And what do most of people think? That cops are right (I don't think that). And they'll probably team-up with somebody to prove that You resisted arrest. Well, sorry, but I can't help You. I'll try to think a bit and if I hit upon an idea, I'll post it here.
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Lazy and corrupt police officer, teach him a lesson of life.
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What ever you do, DON'T delete those call logs the agent made. They can serve you as evidence, also keep that scam(?) mail and go find your prove of purchase of your phone. If you've done that counter charge THEM. Your charge will likely be taken with your trail.
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Tak na poważnie czy se jaja robisz ?
Jak na poważnie to zgłoś to do jakiegoś sądu czy coś i olej policję. A najlepiej najpierw zgłoś się do prawnika
Mój kraj taki piękny. Tusk cie jebał, ZUS cie jebie, policja cie jebie, prawo cie jebie, a ty możesz się tylko przyglądać
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na poważnie. byułem już u prawnika - uspokoił mnie, mówi, że prawdopodobnie skończy się w prokuraturze umorzeniem, a nawet jeśli dojdzie do sądu to najwyżej jakaś mała grzywna - brak przeszłości karnej więc za coś takiego nawet jak coiś nie przywalą dużej kary - te idą dla recydywy.
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No if letters just looks "like" formal letter. But it's fraud if they use official government stamps etc., of course.
I think it's same situation like everywhere in the world.
He just got fake, but not fraud letter. For example:
like this one - advertisement looks similarly to 100PLN bill/banknote
and this is how real 100PLN bill looks
Of course sending letters which looks officialy may be considered as an attempt of fraud, but this is case for court and may (and probably will -_- ) take not a months, but a years to catch and convict a conmans/con artist.
Law is broken here in many ways. I'm sure everyone who live in democratic state could tell many interesting stories about behave of the police, politics, media etc.
BTW: if someone will visit Poland - theres nothing to be afraid, it's safe place to live and travel. Just remember about that - during the police intervention/conversation never insult them, NEVER touch them (literally), always behave calmly - in case you just meet not a friendly one, but a "pig" or as we call them here "dog" or as all around the world poeples knows - a bastard. Because ACAB. <joke_joke>
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You should move to America, where we have laws against an officer unjustly stealing your smartphone. Also, let this be a lesson to you to call the company of your sim card and have them lock your phone (or just get an unlimited plan).
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Ok, as far as I remember, according to our law (I'm not a lawyer, but know a little bit):
Swoją drogą, naprawdę współczuję. Postaraj sie pogadać z jakimś prawnikiem - na pewno coś doradzi. Mały komisariat, niewielkie osiedle, to takie szuje czują się jak panowie na zamku - nie daj się im zastraszyć.
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nie znam angielskeigo żargonu prawniczego, więc odpowiem po polsku - moga wziąć telefon bez nakazu ze względu na PODEJRZENIE popełnienia przestępstwa. Po stwierdzeniu braku popełnienia przestepstwa powinni go oddać (w moim przypadku na następny dzień). Inna sprawa, że telefon w takim przypadku powinien badać biegły technik a nie redneck z osiedlowego posterunku co dostał w łapki fajna zabawke i się nią przez dzionek pobawił.
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So this video is focused on american law, but the general principle holds: you should never talk to the police.
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O to to to. Wrzucaj na Wykop, to ludzie tam pomogą.
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Call news agency and get them to make a story out of this? Could get the word out of these corrupt cop(s) and maybe help your case. Maybe then you can sue them for harassment, corruption, and theft of property.
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Next time if you going to go report some stuff, and then prove to them that its a police matter, make sure you have the crap printed on paper. Whipping out something from a phone is probably the fastest way to get your crap taken. Cops take phones all the time here in the U.S. so your encounter then the fact your phone had all those charges and such is not a surprise. What you should of done was gone to an attorney after they confiscated your phone and had the matter taken care of by someone the cops fear a lawyer.
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You need to read up on your laws i think, im not good with polish law but in the Uk there is no law that states you cant insult a police officer, do soem research im sure you can get out of this, also if they gave you a log of your phone being taken and and the times ir was returned, im sure you can get phone logs to prove it didnt happen in your care if you get what i mean
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There is a law in PL against insulting police officer or generally any gov official. You can end up with fine for it, community services or worst case scenario up to 1 year (luckily attorney said that even if this goes to court theres 100% chance it will end up with just a small fine in worst case scenario, as I have no criminal record).
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Whole story:
FRIDAY:
My fiance started her own company 3 weeks ago. Last week she received a mail - inside was something looking like an official letter from government, with official stamps etc - calling her to pay 195 PLN (46EUR) for mandatory registration in "Polish Companies Registry. Below was a blanket to send money via bank transfer. On the other side of sheet of paper there was written with small letters that "This is just an advertisement. No payment is mandatory. We are not government agency, but just private company".
WEDNESDAY:
We went with that letter to police to report a fraud attempt. 1st policeman told us it's not a fraud, because there's this text on the other side. We said we'd like to report anyway and let a court decide if it's a fraud or not. He told us we'll have to wait for his supervisor.
His supervisor comes, we tell whole story over again - he says he cannot take our statement cause it's no Police work and we should go to civil court if we want to. I take out my smartphone and google through polish law codexes and show him a point that it's not a matyter for civil court but for the police. Very unhappy he writes down a statement then he asks me for a smartphone I just googled it on. I think he wants to copy what paragraph number it is or something, but no - he puts a smartphone into an evidence bag. WTF? - I ask. "You used your company's smartphone for private matters, which is against the law.". "It's not company's smartphone! It's my private phone. Plus I bought it over 1.5 year ago while company is up for just 1.5 week!". "In this case we will have to verify it - if it's really private smartphone, not a company one. You can take it back in 24 hours". "Can I at least have my SIM card back?". "No, SIM card is part of protected evidence now". He gives me piece of paper to come back tommorow for my phone.
THURSDAY :
I go to pick up my phone. They give it back to me - batterry dead. I go back t home, charge it - and what do I see? 26 calls made while phone was there, whole internet package used, shitload of some useless shitty apps from "money-for-download" pages installed. I go back to police to report it. What do I hear? "You probably made all these calls and downloaded all this stuff right now, while changing phone clock, just to blame police". For next few minutes I try to calmly resolve this issue - but I hear that if I don't stop talking I'm the one who they will arrest for fraud on them - as I obviously try to scam them for compensation right now. The moment I hear it I break - I scream on an idiot who tells me this that he must be a moron, that the fucking Android would change all timers the moment I'd change time, and that some fucking asshole from their fucking police station is just a thief that decided to use smartphone which was suposed to be evidence to save himself some money and earn some fucking credits on some shitty website for downloading shitty aps.
Next thing I know I lie on the ground handcuffed behind my back. They take me to prosecutors and I find out I'm charged with insulting police officer (because I used vulgar language) and resisting an arrest (yeah - me fat, unhealthy nerd resisted 3 bigass muscled cops who were lying on me and handcuffing me). And I hear I now face a threat of big fine or up to one year of jail time... So yeah - that's my story - if you read up to here the GA cove is hidden right after Thursday.
AFTER NECRO EDIT
OK... idk why the hell someone necroed such an old topic, you're an idiot dear sir, but as for update how things ended up:
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