Bundle list - Did we miss anything?

What if they didn't redeem the bundle on their own account in the first place? I could give away a copy of Razor2 straight out of Indie Gala V, but I don't have all the other IGV bundle games on my account, so how does this do anything better than the current system?

I get the Oddworld games mixed up, thanks.

I agree with you, but I think this "$1 value idea" it's easier to implement (already implemented with Ironclads collection) and will make the life of moderators more easier (with much less support tickets). And it hurts less to community than the bundle-exploit. I think there's so few of the "legit keys" giveaways (as you said; keys from GMG,Amazon,etc) that I think that's a minor question of the problem (than the HUGE amount of bundle-keys giveaways).

I understand (and agree with you) that there's a lot to be considered too, but I think that's the easy and less complicated way to solve the problem.

Sorry in advance for my brazilian self-taught english... maybe I'd made some mistakes, but I think you'll understand my point.

The IGN prime games that could've been abused were QUBE, Choplifter HD, Hacker Evolution Duality, King Arthur, Rochard, Hamilton's Great Adventure and Skydrift (though Skydrift was really limited, they ran out of keys in a few hours). Also, the Puppygames giveaway with Titan Attacks and Revenge of the Titans should probably be up there.

yea, i saw a guy with over $500 contribution only with dirt 3 giveaway and won alot -_-

Still better than this which punishes a lot of honest users for no reason.

And only games from bundles would be affected. A Metro Gift from GMG would not be affected.

If we combine both methods.

I can name a few users now who shared 27 copies of an IGN prime game or another one made like 600$ value sharing only 6-7 copies of each IGN prime game... They even mentioned they're IGN prime keys in every giveaway ah also the users are russians. If you know how they exploited the system there's no doubt they're exploited keys unless you believe they spent over 300-500$ on multiple IGN prime accounts...

Pre-contributor system, no it wouldn't have been a problem, and it really still isn't, other than it is still contributing and seems unfair to punish for contributing simply because you opted to support charity or the indie game makers more directly rather than direct retail (where they take the profits for themselves). I don't see why there is a need to differentiate between something bought for $10 via bundle or for 75 cents direct from Steam (referring to Windowsill in this case). Plus, what happens when Generic Bundle X releases something that 2 years ago you gave away, suddenly, you are treated like a criminal...doesn't seem fair. Plus it doesn't exclude the fact the contributor system itself is already getting abused in other ways. Trains USA... cost about the same as a BTA Indie Bundle, or Vanilla Trains cost the same as non-BTA bundle... yet that is perfectly acceptable. What about buying other games for 75/80% off and sharing it on here... you get the full value for it, not the what you paid for it value. Maybe I am just not looking at the problem the right way. I just don't see what everyone has against supporting Charity and Indie Devs rather than paying retail who takes a hefty cut of the sale.

My main concern is the effect it will have on Indie gifting. Let's take Torchlight for example. You can acquire a free copy when you buy Torchlight 2. Odds are you have Torchlight 1, so you could give it away. I see nothing wrong with that. It's price to you was $0 though. The same thing would apply to buying a bundle and getting 1 extra key from it. Not saying gifting every game from a bundle, just gifting one key. For example. I bought The Void from steam during a Steam sale. I now have an extra The Void key (Indie Gala, I don't buy Indie Royale, it isn't charity). Since I bought The Void from Steam for myself previously, technically, my The Void key now is the equivalent of that purchase. Since I would have acquired it via the bundle had I not previously done so. I honestly do not see what is wrong with my gifting that extra copy of The Void, and still receiving credit for it. I didn't buy a bundle to break up, it is just an orphaned key. Same with Bad Rats, Greed Corp, and a few others. Now back to the Torchlight point I was making, what if Humble Bundle X has Torchlight in it as a BTA. Suddenly Torchlight is bad, contributor value is removed from all... now those that paid nothing for it, no real loss. But those that bought it to gift it (as I did, still sitting in my inventory to give away, plus I had bought a couple extra Carmageddon: Reincarnation (with bonus $50+ backer DLC too) but no way am I going to give away any indie games now on here as I will feel cheated if it gets bundled). I suppose I could pad my account with some AAA games to make me safe.. but in all honesty, I would rather spread Indie games that I bought and paid for, simply because AAA titles get enough sales as it is. I suppose I can see your point about it increasing your value for a low price and all if you are deliberately abusing the system for that reason, but still, it also has the advantage of people getting to try games, they may not have bothered trying due to bad reviews or just not much coverage. Cargo Quest for Gravity, is an indie Game I loved, with a bad review. The reviewer said the construction aspect was pointless and commented on the sub being slow... you can build a better sub. Another advantage to splitting a bundle would be there are games from other genres in them. Perhaps you hate shooter style games, but mixed in the bundle is puzzle games which you like. You could spend points entering only for games you want, rather than getting the entire bundle, wasting the keys when you will never play it, vs. just not entering for them. I think a better solution as others have said and the OP of this reply chain stated before it was inadvertently hijacked by me is to just remove the contributor value, because we all know it isn't a true reflection of what people paid as it is. It would also let people like me, who are honest and not abusing, to be able to share indie games without feeling like they are being cheated or treated like criminals.

" I think a better rule would be, if they do not want a bundle broken to bits and every bit given out. Simply cut off those doing it."

The problem is, this is near-impossible to police, and people don't read the rules/don't care anyway, so it won't stop them until they're caught and banned. And in the meantime they might get away with making 20+ giveaways and earning a relatively high contributor value.

The only other alternative that would be effective would be to simply blacklist any game that's ever been in a bundle from being given away, period -- and that's an awful move to make.