I say ban them. I do not want people to lose their account without knowing what hit them.
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This is pretty much my view on it. Sadly it will ruin some legit ones, but I can't see any other way than making sure people gift through the steam interface/steam email interface.
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I vote for limiting Steam Gifts to the actual Steam Gift system, not keys. It will help keep things on the up-and-up and prevent potential conflict down the road or issues that sour the Admins relationships with Valve.
There will always be dicks, (eg. the people selling invites for games or money) and if they're already lurking within the population we can be certain that weaknesses within the system will be exploited to someone else's detriment.
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Dont ban them. Or make them require to send along a reciept or photo of the cd-key.
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We don't want to store such data on the server as if the database is ever breached, there could be potentially thousands of $ worth of games effectively stolen, as well as the key-related concerns hi-jacking of Steam accounts. We also don't want to be liable for being in possession of stolen/illegitimate keys - if they ever pass through our system.
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I vote for steam gift-able items only.
This eliminates account stealing, selling winnings, etc. which isn't what this group is about.
Its unfortunate that we would lose out generous offers from people like Spoonalious though, unfortunately....
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"Its unfortunate that we would lose out generous offers from people like Spoonalious though, unfortunately...."
That's really the only conflict. Games from GreenManGaming are also at stake. I assume many giftees use keys generated from sites other than Steam in order to get the best deal possible for Steam-registered games. It really it a tough call.
On one hand, we stand to lose a handful of giveaways, on the other hand, we stand to lose entire accounts due to a few scammers or bad apples. If this site were somehow affiliated or "allied" with Steam, then there may be some leeway regarding keys and their ability to "claim" accounts.
In order to be safe, I would vote we ban keys altogether until another option becomes available. Like SilentSamurai (in not so many numbers) said, "... make them require to send along a receipt or photo of the cd-key." While that's a great idea with the best intentions, it's not feasible as proper evidence in Steam's jury - sadly.
Steamgifts could reduce the points for entering and given to all members for key-generated games as a safety measure. They could also make sure each key-generated giveaway has to be stated as such so that some wary people would be inclined to stay away. That's really the only compromise I can come up with: those who trust people with key-giveaways and those who don't.
Edit: Who was the genius who decided to put "N" and "M" so close together on the keyboard?
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There are certain titles that are only available through activating a key on steam... Prey is such an example. I was not aware that accounts could be stolen based on keys (is this true for the person who receives the key or gives it away?), so I am a little conflicted at this point between making more prey giveaways or being safe and not making else feel at unease. Good thing is, I clearly mentioned that I will be giving the retail product's CD-key that can be activated on steam so anyone that doesn't feel at ease can stay away.
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The humble bundles are ok as long they work and have a gift copy of it lying around ... dark messiah everyone can get it free so ... they only do that for the points (which is useless). other steam game keys ... idk just give them away somewhere else then here.
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I'd vote for keeping them but requiring a notice specifying they are cd keys, then those that don't feel comfortable with it can skip those giveaways.
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It's impossible to highjack an account using a key...
steam support isn't a bunch of nimrods who wouldn't bother verifying vital info like the IP, billing address/name and previously owned games for instance.
Now hypothetically speaking if the culprit is a 1337 hax0r who is actually willing to waste his time on measly steam accounts and social engineer his way through all the person's vital info and billing records, then obviously you're looking at a far bigger problem on your hands than just temporarily losing access to your steam account - identity theft - there is steamguard which is enabled by default and disabled only by low IQ users who indeed deserve to lose their accounts if they opt out of this fool proof(well for most part hehe) security feature designed specifically to prevent this type of thing.
Go ahead and try to recover your account using a CD key that you used. All it does is send the account owner an email letting him know his username which he/she can then use to recover the password.
So then the only way to do this is to go straight for the person's email address and avoid the unnecessary CD key recovery option which pretty much renders this whole website obsolete based on just this one fact that the gifters have access to the winners email address.
Why not just ban Dark Messiah MP keys altogether since it's not even the full game and the multiplayer was actually developed by another studio which is why it's free now to begin with.
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But... It happened to Him?
Yes, he got the account back after a while, but I would not like to go through that same ordeal.
Steam Support is just as good as HP support in India... Terrible.
He provided them with his own information (CC details, e-mail, receipts, screenshots, etc.) several times, and was asked over and over to do the same thing again. All the other person apparently had was a CD-Key that was tied to his account, but they were able (at least for a short period of time) to hijack his account, get into his account, make changes to his account, etc.
Steam support un-suspended his account... but for the wrong person. The hijacker was able to get in. Then, they re-suspended it after he wrote them again telling them it wasn't him. Finally, it was sorted out, but that is a hassle that shouldn't even be a possibility.
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https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5854-QWLN-2621
Warning:
Never accept a gift from someone you do not know.
Period. If you are going to accept gifts, you should be ready for any surprises. that includes either cd-keys and steam gifts
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I am conflicted on my vote to ban because there is a certain title that is currently not available on sale through steam (not in my region anyway) and can only be activated by the retail CD-Key on steam. My suggestion is: make a new account for retail CD-key activation of gifts... this way even if you happen to come across a "bad apple" (i.e. someone who created a giveaway and gives a retail CD-Key to gain access or hi-jack your account) in the future, you will not loose your actual steam account and if recovery of this alternate account fails, your loss is highly minimized. I don't know if you can have multiple accounts on steam though- is it against their terms of service?
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Not a single incident. If you read the link I posted in the other thread, there was another guy who lost a $1000 steam account too.
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Ban all CDKeys.
With the physical box and CD floating around, it's just too easy for someone to claim ownership of your steam account.
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what about my suggestion? if you do not want to risk loosing ownership of your steam account, make an alternate account on steam for any CD-key activated games that you may happen to win on this site. this way even if the giveaway maker is on the intention of high-jacking an account, all he will get is an alternate account, with no purchased games- most probably only the game that he just gave-away. Since most of the gifts of this site are NOT retail CD-Key giveaways anyway, and the fact that giveaways are like lotteries, the chance that you will have a lot of retail CD-Key activated games on this alternate account will be low in the first place and so you will not be loosing out on anything (nothing you paid for anyway). You can also then report this person on this site, so they can get banned. I think this is a great solution.
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Yeah I know, but this would only be for the retail CD keys and just when the person doesn't trust the guy (someone new to the site for example)
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How about we ban giveaways? Come on, they're ripping developers off!
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imo, there is no real problem about that.
Actually a steam gift might also lead to a banned account, because some bad guy might steal some credit card, buy a gift and send it here. Once, Valve finds out, that gift was bought from a stolen CC, they will block your account. So how is it different from a CD-key problem?
Also how are you going to tell, steam giveaways from cd-key ones (if that game is distributed in both formats)? There are thousands of users here. Most of them hardly read the rules, so they won't even notice, if the rule is broken, when they recieve a gift. Another group of people might know about the rule, but they won't mind the key and won't tell you, the rule is broken, because they are thankful to the gifter.
There was not a single case gifting any profile-blocking games around here.
And those couple of cases with blocked profiles on the internet were resolved.
There is actually always a risk. If you don't want to take the risk, just don't recieve any gifts from the unknown sources, as steam advices.
Also note, those Dark Messiah MP keys are not infinite. Once, they end up, there won't be any more of those. There were a bunch of Speedball 2 Tournament keys on that Pollish site before and they are out for some months already.
That decision will just lower the amount of gifts, but it won't change anything.
If you want to stop Dark Messiah MP giveaways, just stop them, not all the cd-keys.
If you want to stop those shady humble bundles around, stop them too.
If you really hate those RUSE (though, it seems to fine right now) stop those giveaways.
But i don't see, how are you going to stop CDs... unless the site actually gets that gift link/CD-key from the gifter. And the purpose, you don't want to do that makes sense.
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imo, there is no real problem about that. Actually a steam gift might also lead to a banned account, because some bad guy might steal some credit card, buy a gift and send it here.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5854-QWLN-2621
This message indicates that a gift sent to your account has been revoked. The most common reasons this will occur are:
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yeah, you will most likely get that game revoked, not your entire account, if someone tries to cheat with that gifted CD-key. Yet Valve may do anything they like in both cases.
if you have a number of other games, you actually bought, you won't have a problem, proving that's your account. one CD-key scan (which can easily be photoshoped) against a dozen of games you actually bought (and Valve can most likely check that). who will win?
also there is no real point cheating right now, when we have those mailed security codes.
So the risks of using steam-gifts and CD-keys are the same.
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Don't let there be any CD keys, only games that is coming from steamstore and that they are giftable through steam. Any CD keys that the owner still owns the case should be banned for the risk of scamming.
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My opinion: only gifts via steam system.
Every CD-Key could be a risk for the winner of the contest: we can trust the contributor, but we cannot be sure that his retail boxes (for retail cd-keys) will never be stolen or his email account (for DD retail keys) will never be hacked.
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then what will i do with my 3 copies of prey?
P.S: could someone (important) contact steam support with that problem and ask if we can use the giveaway URL to prove that the gifter willingly gave the key away to the winner? (the winner should definately also keep the email he received the key with)
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How did you got three copies of Prey? (that would be the most common question to people who has keys)
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ebay, and the keys come along with the box itself. they didnt arrive yet so i can't confirm the keys are unused as of now. hence i haven't started the giveaways yet.
PS: all 3 copies of prey are from britain, which i find kind of curious. there were no copies available from local traders and only one from american traders (which is too much shipping for me)
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even if they got your password, they can't log in with steam guard in place anyway. So you win the game and they can't get in. I say leave it the way it is.
besides for them to get your password in the first place they need to know your steam login name, and if you keep your nickname and login name the same you are stupid. But even if they get that far steam guard stops them.
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Those listings are gone for other reasons. The submitter could no longer commit to the giveaway due to the keys being repossessed by the store where he got them, so he says....
Personally I don't feel safe using CD keys. They should be banned.
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Those listings were removed because their gifts were no longer available from the gifter.
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There has been a lot of unease about receiving keys, shady giveaways, etc. So, in order to better serve you, we would like to get your opinion on the banning of CD key giveaways.
Get rid of them altogether?
Get rid of all but humble bundles?
I JUST REALIZED DARK MESSIAH MULTIPLAYER IS A KEY
I SAY BAN THEM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl
Thoughts?
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