Spend less time making pointless threads, when you can look on Google.
Edit: Ok... Helpful tip, Buy games on Russian sites that are region-free and sell for profit. So many people do it, it's just not funny.
BTW, if you do that I will hate you forever, hate people that do that, just for a profit.
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lol, no reason to hate them. The amount of effort/time vs actual profits only make the enterprise appealing to those in economically depressed countries with weak local currency, or young people.
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Are you joking???
I have seen heaps of people buy some of the latest release games on Steamtrades for say $10 off retail price. So say it's $70 (retail), they buy it on Russian sites for $40-45. That's an easy $25-30 made. Sure they don't last long at that price, but you can still make an easy $15 of each game sold, if you know what you are doing.
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Right, because people will buy at full retail price from some random guy online instead of a trusted website.
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Sounds like we need to do an experiment. One person works minimum wage for a year (low effort, low stress) while another person does digital trading for the same amount of time (high effort, high stress). We'll measure results by overall income made and general stress level/happiness. Shall we start side-betting now? ^__^
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Yes, so exactly what I said in the first place: The same amount of money for a minimum-wage job with way more stress and effort required.
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Don't see where the more stress or effort would come into it. Have a list of the latest release games on a site (eg steamtrades), let people ask for the game they want. Go buy the game at reduced price, trade with the other use on steamtrades.
Would take like 5mins a trade for $15'ish.
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We both know that it's way more than 5 minutes, but that's not even the point. You're basically working as a gambler, where you invest your capital for probably returns. This in itself causes a bit of stress, as it sucks to have half of your life roll invested into games with a temporary value. The amount of profit you make depends entirely on the amount you hustle.
To contrast, a full-time minimum wage job allows you to simply accrue money and not have to invest any of it (other than eating, rent, etc., but you're doing that when you're trading too). On top of this, you're also offered risk-free health insurance that your employer pays for. These things cumulate in "less stress," especially given the job is likely simple-- so as long as you show up you collect pay.
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Ok, if you are throwing in the company's bonuses, you might be right.
Also it's not exactly temp value, as you haven't actually bought the games until you have someone to trade with (no chance of losing money). Another point is that games are coming out every week or so, prices for games don't normally change within a week.
Though in the end it all depends on what the terms are. Also as the OP asked (suggested?), this would be just a side income.
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So then, once again, the price is comparable to a minimum wage part-time job. One that will almost always involve less stress and overall effort than part-time trading would designate. It just seems a bit backward to work harder for "roughly the same amount" or less, simply so you may "earn" in your underwear.
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A lot of people, including me, will first check a persons' inventory to see if they have a copy of a game available before they ever post on their trade offer, or add them to discuss anything. When I'm looking for a certain game, I first weed out the cheapest offers, then check them one by one (highest rep, / most legit looking people first) to see if they still have the game I want available for me to buy immediately. If not, I move on to the next guy, etc, 'till I find someone that has a copy available. 95% of the time this results in an instant successful trade, the remaining 5% consisting of asking someone to buy a non-region locked RU copy of a game for me, which only happens with lesser-known / less hyped games.
Hence, having stock available is usually much preferred, meaning that as doctorofjournalism says, you have to invest cash into stock you're not sure of when it'll sell.
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You are fucking clueless. Trading games, nowadays, is a full-time, high stress occupation. There are TROVES of RU traders, all selling for mere pennies' profit, all over the internet. You have to spend time and effort both buying the game, as well as setting up a good trading thread, you have to keep checking current pricing trends for games you have on offer (so manually go over all these trade offers from others on ST and TF2OP, as well as other sites), sometimes sell at a loss because lots of other traders are selling a certain game far cheaper than your going price. And again, there are many, many other traders people can buy from. Chances are your trade offer won't be seen by 90% of the people interested in buying one of the games you're offering, simply because there's enough other people they can buy from. And because they keep their prices so low, you too will be dropping your prices to match trends, selling $60 games like CoD: Ghosts for something like half a TF2 key to one key profit (so, about between 90 cents to a buck 80).
Trading is something that takes a lot of time and effort, for minimal returns.
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The only stress that I would get if I did, would be to handle people like you. Seriously, I would need a few hours of treatment for one comment you posted, let alone a conversation. You are still comparing it to steamtrades or like minded trading sites. If you had read more, we had gotten on eBay and selling sites. Even if you didn't use eBay. Heck, go to a high school and have a sign saying "get your COD here for $15 off retails". They would come running.
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Yes, I had read your thoughtless comments about eBay. Which were already quite successfully blown out of the water. No one trades Steam games on eBay, for the reasons jatan11 posted. Aside from specific reasons to not use eBay (or other similar sites), there's already enough valid options offered for trading steam games online, which people use. If there were some magical other place online where traders could magically get far larger profits than on the various sites on offer and already being extensively used out there, people would already be flocking to it. However, that would make no sense, as buyers would also be paying more there. Now why would they do that, when they can go to the aforementioned well established trading sites and get a game for far less?
You say I'm the problem here, and that I am a stressful guy. Let's see what's going on here. You keep posting half-assed, non-informed asinine comments with no facts, numbers, or even basic logic to back them up, based on your misconceptions about trading in general, as well as specific features of trading sites. Then, actual well established traders and people who buy games all the time (who are far more knowledgeable than you) reply to you, prove you wrong, back what they say up with cogent arguments and facts, and you still keep trying to worm your way out of just saying "oh shit guys, you were right, hadn't thought of that!" by trying to propose more and more options for trading that will still somehow magically give you the kind of profit margins you keep (wrongfully) insisting are possible through trading, that bear no water, such as eBay.
People like you are fucking nuisances. You quite apparently aren't "in the know" concerning trading (which is no problem), and flat-out refuse to just see this conversation with people as a learning experience you can use to inform yourself better (which is a problem), rather trying to turn it into an argument you're trying to "win". That's why I'm being belligerent and harsh from the get-go. You're annoying, and acting like a moron, when surely you can do a lot better with the brain you've got (semi-compliment in there, if you bother to try and see it).
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As you simply refuse to respond to anything I am saying, this will be my last comment to you, 'till you actually address the points I make instead of acting like you taking offense over a few harsh words I said is a valid reason to ignore my points.
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Also, you're basically commenting on things you have 0 experience with. Have you ever spent an entire day looking at your browser window, filled with 30+ tabs, refreshing them all the time to see if people are online, check pricing trends on games you have on offer, checking around the web if games you're selling might be on some ludicrous sale somewhere (hence possibly making you want to temporarily remove the game from your trade offer so as to keep it appealing to buyers, as having prices far higher than current sales makes you look like someone selling games too expensively), continuously updating your trade thread, etc? I don't think so. Yet you comment on it as if you have any knowledge on what active trading is like.
Look, sure you can put up a trade offer here and there, and go to work, return home, maybe sell one or two games, but that kind of more "passive" trading won't net you more than (averaged out over time) mere pennies a day, at most. If you want to actually make a reasonable (or even significant compared to the effort put in) amount of profit, you have to actively be trading, lowering prices as the market value drops, staying up to date on sales all over the web, advertising your services all over, haggling with other traders to maybe buy games off them for cheap so you can resell em, etc. Oh almost forgetting the potential annoyance / stress of having to deal with checking rep / trustworthiness of buyers, potential language barriers, and the like. It really does take a bunch of effort man, and can cause a lot of stress, I promise.
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we told you that you were wrong about ST, we told you that you were wrong about ebay - and now you come up with this? selling COD games to kids at school? come on... ^^
i think you are simply running out of arguments now. that's why you come up with such a crazy idea. instead you should just admit that you were wrong. nothing wrong in being wrong, except if you keep going and going... xD
and btw, i am a little disappointed, that you didn't answer my question:
but let me ask you another question: what exactly is wrong about this whole thing? if someone would normally pay 60$, and then he sees someone on ebay, selling for 50$. he buys the game, saves some money in comparison to what he would have done normally, and the seller makes some money. as long as the game has no regional restrictions, i don't really see your point here. it's a win-win situation. everybody's happy. what exactly is your problem?
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Blows my mind how often this escapes people. I'd watch friends pour hours and hours into Eve online, making in game ISK, so pleased with their ability to factor opportunity costs and yet still not make minimum wage.
99% of the time, adding extra hours to the day job is the best way to make extra cash.
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lol. "Get a good rep" and they will buy from you for full retail price. Okay. If only the world worked like that.
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.. The problem wasn't with jatan11t missing comments or context, it was with your language skills. You replied with "Dude it's Steamtrades... Get a good rep and they will" to user barc0de1989's comment - "Right, because people will buy at full retail price from some random guy online instead of a trusted website". He sarcastically said "right, they'll do <x>", to which you replied "get a good rep and they will".
Learn2english :P
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In context does not mean that you include only one comment that was beforehand, if you had read two comments more before that, you might have understood. But no you are as shortsighted as some other people online are.
KillingArts seems to be the only decent person that actually reads before posting, and can have a decent conversation with.
Edit: doctorofjournalism has also put forward some good points.
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.. No, your language skills are simply lacking. Context or not (and I did read all other comments here), your reply was, well, a reply. A reply directly references that which is being replied to. Guy said "they won't do this", you said (in reference to what barc0de1989 said) "sure they will, as long as you got good rep". Period. Regardless of anything else you said in the thread, anywhere else, or even within the context of that particular comment chain.
Also, my points in this thread are also entirely good and veracious. I'm just being a bit less patient with your stupid, stubborn refusal to capitulate, thus am being a bit more belligerent, hence you refuse to acknowledge me as a valid conversational partner to try and brush aside anything I say with any merit to it, like a childish buffoon.
But whatever, up to you, keep posting stinted and false "arguments" to defend your imaginary reality, where people can make big bucks from trading, and can make profits like $15 - $20 per trade. And keep up the stubborn attitude!
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"Stop living in yourself"? What does that even mean?
Anyway, I fail to see you discussing any other topic than trading, here. Go ahead, point me to where you're posting about anything else than trading. Not that it matters, really, as that's an irrelevant cop-out to try and worm your way, again, out of just going "you were right, I was wrong, I learned something, let's shake hands and be civil adults / friends". Even if you and your conversational partners (or whoever "we" is supposed to refer to) are discussing something else somewhere else, this comment chain is about trading, and our conversation is about trading. My place is in this conversation. And once more - you keep weaseling your way out of actually posting a valid reply to anything I say, rather trying to flat-out change the subject in the middle of a comment chain. Pathetic showing. Come the fuck on man, I'm sure you can do much better than this. Admit you were wrong, enjoy the free knowledge you've gleaned from others (and maybe use it to inform future trading-related decisions), stop acting like an annoying teenager trying to avoid losing face by ignoring others' points, so we can all get back to being cool to each other..
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Well, the comment that you posted right before that also completely contradicts what you said, as I pointed out below. I'm starting to feel like you don't even remember what you've posted before...
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Why don't I quote you here:
"So say it's $70 (retail), they buy it on Russian sites for $40-45. That's an easy $25-30 made. "
$40-$45 + $25-$30 = $65-$75
You specified retail price is $70. Thus average sale for your fantasy world trading is to sell at retail price and even sometimes $5 MORE than retail price.
How about your next reply to barc0de1989's post, where he says "Right, because people will buy at full retail price from some random guy online instead of a trusted website."
You: "Get a good rep and they will."
You said twice that you can sell for full retail price.
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Let me guess. You're going to say that my argument is invalid now since you've "moved on" to something else. Is it that difficult to admit that you are wrong?
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Nope.
Fine then maybe I should have used the words potential profit, if it helps you.
Also I don't get how you can get $5 over the amount that I stated. I'm pretty sure 40 + 30 = 70 and 45 + 25 = 70. Or can't I count? Also I corrected myself after that comment lowering it to a profit of $15 so there is a margin of savings on the buyers side. This is all fake examples anyways, I have just chosen random examples to use.
And that other quote "Get a good rep....." was mainly aimed at the fact of buy from a person instead of a trusted website. Which is the case, if you offer something one time at a longer cost they come again and ask for a different item. Of course you have to have good rep in the first place.
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You stated it would cost $40 to $45, making $25 to $30 in profit. The range is thus $65 to $75. I see no flaw with my math. When you make two ranges like that and add, you don't just magically choose the larger number from the first set and add the smaller number of the second set and vice versa. You always add the smaller number in both sets and the larger number in both sets.
When you stated the $15 profit figure, you prefaced it by saying "Sure they don't last long at that price," implying that your buy price at $40 to $45 will increase such that your profit drops to $15 instead of $25 to $30.
I still don't think you understand the semantics of you "get a good rep" comment. Once again, barc0de1989 posted "Right, because people will buy at full retail price from some random guy online instead of a trusted website." You replied with "Get a good rep and they will."
You really can't see why this implies that if you have good rep, people will buy it at retail price from you?
I'm going exactly by what you posted. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Nah, I think what he's saying is to buy from a Russian, then sell for like $1 under retail price to a dumb friend or family member.
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you are so wrong. russian traders take only a few cents each trade, maybe 1-3$ if the game is higher priced (your 40-45$). they can't take more money, because there is so much competition. i am probably one of the most active members on steamtrades, and i have never ever seen a trade like you describe it. if you have seen "heaps of people" buying for way too high prices, maybe you have some proof?
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ghosts was way cheaper, when it was sold by the russians (~16 keys). the copies for 25 keys came in the last days before release and were from brazil, because the russian version is locked now. as you can see here, ghosts is around 47$ in brazil. so again: these sellers dont earn 20 bucks with every sale. you are wrong, believe me.
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I did say roughly ~$20... I did not say exactly $20. You yourself are proving that they can sell for $13 off the price tag. Also some of those sites offer discounts for bulk orders.
Another point is that you aren't taking into account when the ruusian version wasn't locked. They could have easily made the $20. Buy for $32 sell for $50. That's $18 profit.
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you must be trolling, because no one can be too stupid to understand what i said.
i clearly explained to you that the sellers only make cents or 1-2$ each trade (no matter if russian version, or brazilian version after lock).
you must be trolling, because no one can be too stupid to understand what i said.
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it just doesn't happen. this has been said before, just some minutes ago. but i will happily tell you again: there is a lot of competition of ST. no trader can take 10-15$ more as every other trader. no one buys overpriced games. it's really simple. even you should be able to understand that now. if 100 russians sell for 33$, good luck to the poor idiot who offers his game for 50$. xD
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Fine then, if you really want to get technical. Go to a different trading/selling site. Use eBay even. The cheapest on there is the $60 (But It Now). I said I was using steamtrades as an example.... There are so many people that would use eBay, that don't even know about bundles, let alone cheap russian codes.
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i only talked about steamtrades (and you were clearly wrong on that ^^), i cannot say too much about ebay. but my experience with ebay is, that i rarely see any private sellers selling steam codes or even gifts there (except for nvidia/amd promos). so it doesn't seem to happen, for whatever reason (as i said, i can't tell much about ebay and if there are maybe restrictions i don't know about).
but let me ask you another question: what exactly is wrong about this whole thing? if someone would normally pay 60$, and then he sees someone on ebay, selling for 50$. he buys the game, saves some money in comparison to what he would have done normally, and the seller makes some money. as long as the game has no regional restrictions, i don't really see your point here. it's a win-win situation. everybody's happy. what exactly is your problem?
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Technically on Ebay, you can't sell anything without sending something physical to the buyer. This is due to paypal restrictions required proof of physical shipment in order to receive seller protection. So technically you should not be selling purely steam gifts or keys on Ebay.
In addition, with Ebay, there are fees both to list the item (either free or 30 cents, depending on how many listings you have) + 10% of the final sale price. Betabot conveniently does not include these fees.
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A large part of the reason prices are higher on Ebay is because of higher sell fees. You sell for $60 BIN, you lose $6 of that automatically to fees. Then because you aren't sending a physical product, you forfeit seller protection, and there is a good chance that the buyer disputes the payment on paypal and there's nothing you can do about it.
So you get $54 for a product that will cost you $50 to buy. Plus the added risk of paypal dispute. I don't see how $4 profit is "an easy $25-30 made"
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Because no one expected the Russian version to suddenly become region locked like that. Buying multiple copies of a game just to hold onto and hope that it randomly becomes region locked is not a very profitable way to trade, because you will lose most of the time.
Just because you can earn $15 just out of sheer luck once does not make trading that profitable.
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Did I ever say to buy multiple copies at a time? No I didn't, in fact I said the complete opposite. It's people like you, who annoy me, because you never fully read a conversation before posting something's that completely wrong in the terms of the context.
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No, he's making entirely cogent and valid counter-points to your nonsense.
Like KillingArts said, people weren't selling CoD: Ghosts for 25 fucking TF2 keys. I bought a copy for a giveaway for 17 keys, and there were others selling it for as low as 16. What you're suggesting - getting more than that paltry amount of profits (even as high as your suggested $15) would only be possible if you indeed bought some stock of a game, then lucked out on it becoming region locked, hence enabling you to sell higher than before it was region locked. And the only way to actually turn a decent amount of these profits would be to stock up with a few copies of the game in advance.
It's all very simple to understand, but you simply refuse to admit your initial misconceptions and nonsense statements were entirely erroneous, and capitulate. You were wrong, guy, give it up.
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Love how you try to come to an end so quickly, and yet miss every other point that was trying to be made. You covered what? two points in that long, useless comment. Love how you are still dwelling on the point of steamtrades when we had got over that.
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.. You haven't gotten over that. ST is one of the various places to trade games, which is the entire topic being discussed; game trading - simple. Also, my comment was referencing other comments you posted in the thread, and replying to your general stance, along with replying to the specified context given (your discussion with jatan11t about lucking out on region locked games). My comment actually replied to the points you have made so far, which is more than I can say for the comment I am currently replying to, as well as most of your other comments in this thread. You keep ignoring points people bring up, and act like we're just being big ol' meanies for trying to point out your misconceptions.
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Yes I have, it's you and others that keep bringing up trades. I moved onto the selling point. The entire point was making easy money, which if you can't read from the OP, I can't be bothered even trying to talk to you any more (got far more important things to do). Wouldn't care what someone online thinks of me, and if you do that's just sad. There are so many personalities online, it's impossible to agree with all of them.
As we moved to the selling point, I mentioned a school. If it was allowed, I could walk into a school, do a survey and come back another day with cheaper ($10-15 off retail) games and easily make a lot of side money. That is of course knowing that the kids have the money to pay for it, and regarding the fact that its limited to PC games.
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... Semantics. "Trade" or "sell", we're both refering to the exact same thing. Selling games for profit. Whatever form the selling takes. PERIOD.
As for your "selling games at a school" idea.. Really? Like, your mind seriously sees that as a valid idea to post? You don't see how that's illegal, and can get you in to trouble with the law / cost you lots of fines, if your operation gets big enough to make you any kind of significant profit (thus big enough to catch unwanted attention)? You ever hear of the tax department? This is if you even find kids dumb enough to give you cash up front, for Steam gifts they'll only receive after school? And "easily"? You'd have to do this at a bunch of schools, meaning driving around (hence also costing gas money) all day.
Again, a piss-poor idea, that would result in a little bit of profit if you did it one time, but would cost a shit tonne of effort, money and time if you were trying to actually make some significant money, even if only "side cash" to supplement your main income. You'd spend a whole day driving around, trying to convince kids to hand over cash, coming home to another half hours' worth of sending out gifts to these kids (who also aren't dumb and will also potentially be buying games from traders online, anyway), for maybe something like $60 - $100 profit (without factoring in gas costs), while risking trouble with the law? Yeah, totally worth it!
I know I said my last comment would be my last to you, but this particular idea was so bad, I just couldn't resist shooting it down. So, let this be my last comment, 'till you actually reply to my points instead of ignoring them.
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Can't be bothered any more after this comment.
Don't see where you would have to drive around for ages, don't know where you live, but that would not be the case here. Also it wouldn't be more illegal then selling online.
It is a valid point, even if you take away the school idea, and place the word community in there. Seriously, if we live in completely different conditions, then fine I understand where you are coming from. But from where I am, it would be completely doable.
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I like how you "moved onto the selling point" but never refuted my post where I basically point out that you are still barely making profit by selling on Ebay.
Seriously dude. Everyone here is arguing against you, many vastly more experienced in sales and trading. You have traders with 500+ rep (KillingArts) and Ebay sellers with 1800+ rep (me).
And in addition, all of your replies to us thus far have been
A) contradicted BY YOUR OWN POSTS
B) insult us for bringing up valid points
C) deflecting by claiming that you've moved on to different points
I honestly don't understand how someone can be so stubborn. Seriously, it doesn't make anyone see you any less for acknowledging that you were incorrect.
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Well I can't be bothered answering 5 different posts from the same person, waste of time. Also you could still make a profit off eBay, so you said if the item sold for 60 ( 10 off retail) then you would lose 6 from eBay themselves. That still a profit of 54 - 32 = $12.
I can see how steamtrades would be a difficult place to get a large profit, but eBay and real life selling would be easier, specially if hardly anyone knows about these things. When you think about it, there might be like one or two million people that know about bundles and less about Russian sites. That leaves a lot of other people.
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I still don't think you understand. You are not going to get that much profit, unless you are extremely lucky. The copies of Ghosts was $32 because the Russian copies were not region locked. At that point in time, there is no chance that you could sell it on Ebay for $60. The only reason that you can sell it for $60 now is because those copies were subsequently region locked. Coincidentally, the cheapest you can get now is for $50, which is exactly the figure I used.
I don't think you understand how estimated profit works. Essentially what you are saying is that you can earn super profit from playing the lottery, but not including the chance that you have to lose your money. You are taking the most extreme case of profit and applying it to normal trades.
Here's a question I propose to you: If it's so easy to get $20 profit per game, why would these Russian traders sell the game to you in the first place? Especially since they only earn pennies off of the trade? Why wouldn't they just sell on Ebay themselves?
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Ok time to get the actual prices for this game (COD Ghosts).
Well I can get a copy of Call of Duty Ghosts for $44. Compare that to the steam price which is $90. Also compare it to the eBay price which is $70 without postage.
So say you sell it in real life. 70 - 44 = $26 possible saving for the eventual owner. Take $16 for yourself ($60 for buyer), they then save $10 off the cost of eBay and $30 off the cost of Steam. Steam cost is normally retail cost (game stores).
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Here is a current listing on Ebay for $46.99. If you look at sold listings, average price for the first page of sold listings for Steam key/gift is $51.89 [1]. There is a 10% fee on all items sold, so average amount of money the seller gets is $46.70. You say you can buy for $44? You earn an average of $2.70! Awesome profit.
I really love how you are cherry picking the highest data point you can find on the first page to make your claim.
[1] For reference, here are all of the listings I am using:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts-PC-2013-Steam-download-serial-key-Fast-Delivery-/390697153945?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item5af75d7599
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts-PC-Steam-/281205288654?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4179242ece
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts-Free-Fall-DLC-Steam-Key-PC-2013-/171167161135?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item27da5b9b2f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Call-of-Duty-Ghost-pc-steam-/111215686279?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item19e4f8b287
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts-PC-Steam-Only-/171167868472?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item27da666638
Once again, these are all the listings I can find on the first page of sold items that only give key or Steam gift. Some have multiple copies.
I don't even know why you're bringing up how much the eventual buyer can save because we're debating over how much you earn. Seems to me that you're trying to deflect again.
Finally, could you get me a source for the $44 keys? Cheapest right now I can see is in Brazil for ~$47
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I just realized that you live in Australia, which uses a ebay.com.au. I went ahead and searched there too.
There were only 2 sold listings of CoD Ghosts Steam Key/Gift. One sold for AU $50.00, the other for AY $45.00. I'm still not finding where you can easily get $70 USD by selling Ghosts steam key or gift on ebay.
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Firstly, looked again at the cheapest listing for COD Ghosts (Steam) on the eBay Australia and its $59. Do not know where you are getting $50 from.
Secondary, I was talking about selling on eBay, and last time I looked there were no posting fees in real life....
Thirdly, I wasn't trying to deflect, I was just stating all the facts, so you could see how you can adjust the prices.
Still 59 - 44 = $15. There is room in there to make a profit still, if you take the cheapest on eBay. If you say take $11 for yourself, then you have them pay $55, they will take that offer. I'm sorry but I hardly know anyone that goes to eBay for games btw, Amazon yes, but not eBay. That's a saving of $35 off a newly brand new game on the market, and if someone wanted the game, who wouldn't want to save that much off it, if they could.
Btw I believe you agreed with me beforehand that the game will lose value over time, and that if you want to be successful in doing this type of selling, you have to be pretty much the first one on the scene (correct me if I am wrong on that). This is way past for Ghosts, but we were using it as the example.
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this is not even a good way of making potential profil. the problem is, that if a game suddenly becomes region locked, the copies in your inventory usually get locked, too. so buying bulks of a certain game is an even higher risk of loosing a lot of money. some weeks ago i saw a poor guy on ST who tried to sell his 10 (!) copies of a game, that became region locked, after he bought his copies (i don't even remember, which game it was). of course, he can only sell to russians then, and russians won't buy for full price. so in the end, he lost a lot of money (let's say at least 2-4$ per copy).
no, there is no way of getting big profit with each sale. the only way of getting descent money is to sell many, many copies. and this is, as we said before, very time-consuming (comparable to a second part-time job).
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I don't know why I'm bothering to reply. While you didn't say multiple copies, you also never said "the complete opposite." In trading or selling cases, it makes complete sense that you would be thinking of doing it in bulk or at least using more than one copy. If you could point out a post where you specified only single copies, I would appreciate it because I certainly can't find it.
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"Also it's not exactly temp value, as you haven't actually bought the games until you have someone to trade with (no chance of losing money)."
There's your quote you wanted.
Some of the Russian sites state that if you buy if continually from a certain seller, they will give you a discount as you spend. So if you bought in bulk you would actually be getting less for money, on certain sites anyways.
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Sorry, but I honestly can't see how that sentence you quoted implies you only buying a single copy of the game...
In addition, if you don't buy the game until "you have someone to trade with" you'll pretty much be out of luck. There aren't many people willing to wait around days for you to buy the game from your supplier.
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You only buy a copy of the game per buyer, you do not buy in bulk at first, there is no point.
Also I don't see how a 5min wait could be so hard for the buyer. That is how long I can get keys from sites in. Wouldn't be a problem for eBay or real life.
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Ah key sites. Sorry, thought you meant other traders. Note that once again, if you buy a single copy per buyer, you imply multiple buyers = multiple copies. Therefore my original statement is still valid.
Ansatsunin did make a point above, and I reiterated and fleshed it out in more detail in my post probably about 5 to 10 minutes ago. The way you are thinking about this is flawed. When you could buy those Ghost copies for $32, Ebay prices were nowhere near $60. It's only when the prices rose to $50 that the Ebay prices also became higher. Thus the only way to make your $12 profit was to hoard keys back when they were $32 and sell them now.
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I wanted to add that I don't quite understand what you mean by the last sentence. You stated in the previous sentence that your supplier will give you a discount if you buy in bulk. Then in the next sentence you state that you would "actually be getting less for money."
I'm not sure what this means. So you get a discount, but you "get less" for how much you pay?
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I'm not following. If you buy more from the seller, you get a discount. Why does that preclude you from buying in bulk? You dont get "less for money." I think you mean the exact opposite. If you buy in bulk, you pay less per copy than if you buy a single one, assuming that buying in bulk is what is giving you the discount in the first place.
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No the deal on the site is that as you continue to buy separate purchases, after certain $$$ amounts, you get a % discount. So if you bought a bulk order at first, it would cost the full price. But if you bought one, then another you would get 3% off or so. As you keep buying it goes to a 10% discount, I believe that is the highest. From there you could order a bulk and get the 10% discount though.
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Yeah, so you just buy copies in series in that case. I don't think a buyer would be dumb enough to not take advantage of the discount to buy in bulk. Bulk doesnt necessarily mean buy all at once, you know. You can still buy them in series until you get the max discount.
If you want to argue semantics, I actually stated "multiple copies" in my original post and you were the one to bring up bulk...
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So, in an ideal scenario, you're making $18/hour.... when people are willing to trade. So you bust your ass to make 8 profitable trades in a day, somehow avoiding pitfalls like shit customers, language barriers, and unpredictable events (region locking, value dips, undercutting), and just maybe you'll get it done in less than 8 hours. Only to breathe a bit and attempt the exact same thing tomorrow, and the next day, and the next-- with little margin of error (otherwise you're not only cutting profits, but your livelihood).
And yes, this is all under the assumption that you can actually pull off $18 profit per trade (which most don't). And all of this is only to compare to a minimum-wage job, let alone compete with it. A part-time drooler pulls in more money on a more consistent basis with little to no effort in the slightest (beyond showing up).
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What minimum wage job gets you $18 an hour? I'm not sure which country you are from, but in the US, minimum wages for any state are nowhere near $18 an hour
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If you're getting benefits like health insurance, your pay's value is reflected at least double of the minimum wage. Otherwise, you're likely in a tip-driven industry where your mark is much higher than the minimum anyway. Besides, my point was that even at the absolutely unrealistic rate of $18 per hour, it's still difficult to sell as an "easy" or "low effort" endeavor. You yourself have pointed out that the rate is much, much thinner-- I was humoring him by presenting the best-case scenario that he is likely entertaining.
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I agree with you, but you specified that in the ideal solution, you would be earning $18/hr which you specified to be less than a part-time "drooler". Most part timers do not have employer paid health insurance, nor any other benefits, so I fail to see how they can earn more than $18/hr.
We're getting off topic anyways >.<
I agree that trading will not earn you more than minimum wage.
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^ The thruth is strong in this one. There are so many russian sellers that people will go to the one with the best prices, and there's always someone taking only pennies as profit.
Also, dat rep :)
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What about Assbook? People show their asses and people can like or share them with others. You can even become friends with the asses you like most and then play with them.
There's a million dollar idea right there , buddy ;)
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thats what i do too but right now Im kind of off-period since my boss cant pay me atm ><
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GET A JOB....seriously
if there would be an "EASY" way to make money online, WE WOULD ALL DO IT instead of going to work each day...
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You're vastly under-estimating the amount of work involved in becoming and maintaining those positions. Even being a beggar is no easy thing. You have to sit outside for hours and hours and you cannot entertain yourself at all during this time because no one wants to give money to a beggar with luxuries.
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oh sure, because being a drug dealer is soooooo easy, its not like the police exist.
also as a preacher, you have to be a good leader, charismatic, a person who really can convince, fi you are a boring fuck who cant even make matthieu ricard laugh, you wont be getting any money
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Play lots of TF2, get items and craft into metals. Sell them for money, ta da.
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I also have a fool-proof system I can sell you for 3 payments of 29.99
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No, but if you buy the system then you get a free 1.5% discount on a $50 knife set (one-time use, only on one). Plus, if you buy 5 knife sets, it's only $300! Great deal!
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What does my vac bans have to do with anything? It's my problem not yours.
Time span of about 2-3 months wasting like 10-20 mins a day, could make a shit load more cash if u spent more time doing it. And that's only one site, I've easy made over 500-800 in total this year from a few sites, but yer don't believe me cause I have vac bans meh idgaf :)
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So tell me what my vac bans have to do with this thread? Enlighten me it's been over 250 something days since I stopped being a fukhead cheater lol. And that is just in my spare time, for example the time it takes to watch a few useless youtube videos I can earn 5-20 dollars while watching them useless youtube clips on my second monitor.
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wow 200 dollars in 2-3 months...pathetic loan hahahah
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why dont you get a proper job where you earn money, to get a loan...its not that hard when are you arent lazy
honestly, 2-3 months for 200 bucks. lets say 3 months okay... thats 2.22 bucks A DAY.. thats not even worth to think about
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Time after work, after I've paid the bills, have a few bourbons click a few links make money, Spare time is key words in my post, read it lol doesn't bother me if u don't like earning cash in ya spate time, it fills my PayPal up to buy games. Like I said its quite stupid isn't it, the logic some people have is beyond me. It's easy, takes fuk all time u earn money while doing it in your "spare time" o.O
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I'm earning cash right now, and all I'm doing is bicker with you. No "spare time" required, I am full-on making salaried pay derping around on SG while at work (a LOT). During my "spare time" I get stoned and play/create videogames, because I have no need to supplement my income.
If you actually enjoy it, then all the more power to you (but why not just fill out surveys full-time?). But if it's only for the money, you have quite the skewed definition of "spare time." GG on working harder for less, though (enjoy the spyware/spam)
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My dad does this survey stuff too. He does it while watching TV and basically randomly clicks the choices since he's not actually paying attention to the survey. Doing something for 10-20 minutes a day for some extra money is nothing, especially if you're just multitasking anyways. While it's not the best way to earn money, if you feel like doing it in your spare time, all the more power to you.
Have you thought about doing surveys during work? Then you can earn even more :P
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Haha, because if I want to earn more then I just do more work. Not half-ass it with some "not so bad" pay xP
All depends on how we each value time independently, I suppose.
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3 vac bans, gods sake...i would never touch this account nor use it to post even comments.
this makes you look like a douche no matter what...
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Quoted for awesome
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Well you're right, it wasn't funny.
But now it is!
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The real ways to make money online require hours and hours of work and efforts, in other words you may get the same result by finding a job.
Quick ways to make money online are either scams or require so much time that at the end it's just not worth it.
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No he's not. I've been trying to make money online for 3 years now' and no luck. I found a ton of legit websites but they require lots of work.
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Doing surveys belong exactly in the "not worth it" part. Sure, you may spend 8 hours each day filling surveys and, well, you are doing a full time job. That's not exactly quick nor safe so why not getting a real job instead? You know, something that goes into your curriculum, lets you learn something new and get an insurance just in case.
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You're telling me that all those posts on random blogs saying that they earn $500 a day working from home are scams???? My world is shattered!
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Easy way to earn money online = hot chick + web cam ;)
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easiest way is to find bugs and security issues and sell them to the internet companies they belong to.
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what, selling ultra-cheap and ultra-suspicious humble bundles does not work anymore?
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Wait for a Nigerian prince to send all his money into your account.
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If by "decent" you mean owning prototype processors and/or utilizing free electricity, sure. Otherwise, you're a bit late to the race
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You should, though ;)
A couple of days ago, I started informing myself on this topic (so I literally was too late to the race) - and after a couple of days of mining, researching etc I noticed I'd have to invest HEAVY money..
Not an expert - never said I was - but even beginners should see that this scheme is not for them :P
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You can make money off mining bitcoins it's just that you would need to invest a lot of money to get any real return. You wouldn't be late to the race it's just that it's going to take an expensive horse to compete.
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unless... you find a way to:
A) get free electricity (either, build yourself some solar/eolic generator, or steal it from somebody else)
B) get some great hardware (expensive) or get a lot of cheap hardware (using some kind of trojan to put the bitcoin client on other people's computers... is like having your own minning pool, but completly ilegal [unless you live in a country without laws about trojan and stuff])
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This isn't a very effective way of making money; but I have a Bing rewards that get's me 5$ per month on Amazon; 60$ a year. From only searches.
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He uses it as a way to get a free game here and there, not as a full time job :P
The Bing bar requires a search term put through it from time to time to earn credit, not full 8 hour workdays.
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iirc, it's 10 searches a day. So like 30 every day. 15 minutes a month for $5 Amazon gc isn't bad.
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