toms hardware is seriously the best place ever. I just made my first computer with 1100$ budget (AND ITS AMD! =p) and am completely blown away...
It was easy to do, fun to do, and FAR worth it for my gaming needs! Have yet to find anything that I can not set to ultra settings even on my 42' tv!
the highlights of the build would be =
i5 3570k (k = overclocking, get it for future! i5 = all you need for gaming, i7 is more for video editing and stuff like that),
an 80bronze+ 500w+ power supply,
8-16gb of ram 1600 dd5?(pretty sure at least might be 3 lol),
a great heatsink for cpu! cooler master 212 is popular,
a baller video card I went with amd 7950 and can not say I am disappointed in the slightest!,
if you need a monitor grab a 100$ led 1080p monitor I got my 22' i think off newegg for 110$
keyboard just go whatever brand you prefer,
windows 7 64bit, dont go 8 if you like to play older games still!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/OtqK
I think that is everything! if you want any help feel free to add me!
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Yea, that's what the Mega Special III had. That's why I wanna upgrade XD
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I would suggest you getting nVidia. Well at least if you want PhysX in your games and if you want to do 3D modeling and rendering just don't even think about AMD because it's really bad compared to nVidia.
AMD GPUs have advantage in multi-monitor setup and even that isn't that substantial advantage. Other advantage is overclocking but it won't increase performance too much without good cooling and bit risking.
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I usually search internet on some bigger sites. There are many sites that point out that nvidia (even though more expensive) is better than AMD and I am angry because I didn't research before buying my GPU. Now I can't afford nVidia and I am stuck with HD6850 witch isn't really good for me and my rendering needs. Sometimes it's just better to pay more and use PC longer. Good luck with your new PC ^^.
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Check out LinusTechTips and consider the FX-8350 from AMD, which is 20$ cheaper but you can also save 40$ on the motherboard, while it has the same performance as the i5-3570k. Also, Windows 8 has better gaming performance on most games, so I don't know why you're picking Windows 7.
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I'll check him out also! Um about Windows 7, I've used it for a few years and familiar with the OS. I just did some research that Windows 7 is compatible with most games while Windows 8 isn't. But I only looked into that like a year ago. ._. But I'm going to look into Windows 8 since you brought that up.
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Linus has a series comparing the 2, and although I haven't checked them all out, it usually gives similar performance for both CPU's. He could save 60$ by getting a FX-8350, which he could put in his GPU, which would improve his performance in games way more than the 2 fps the i5 might bring over the FX-8350.
Anyways, I'm not an expert and I don't have any experience, but people usually skip AMD CPU's for no good reason. He should do the research himself and really consider the FX-8350 as an option, instead of just going with the intel.
EDIT: Here is a video explaining why you shouldn't overlook the FX-8350.
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Thanks for that video you linked, but in the video, the benchmarks still showed the i5 outperforming the FX. However, I can understand your viewpoint. At this time, neither processor series would prove to be a bottleneck for the graphics card (unless you have the Titan or any super high end one), so most gamers would not see a difference in them. Personally, I myself have the i5-2500K so I may be somewhat biased, but I chose Intel because of the power consumption (FX series are 125-ish watts compared to 90-ish for the former), I do pretty much no tasks that require hyperthreading, and I hope to prolong the time before it begins to bottleneck. Also, if he is going to buy the processors at full price, than of course he should look into AMD, but sales can really balance out the price differences. If he lives near a MicroCenter, than the i5-3570K is only $169.99 I believe, and I myself bought my new i5-2500K for $167 off eBay.
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Might as well justify why those parts are there. Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H is a very solid mobo with quality VRM and MOSFETs. These allow for overclocking stability. With poor quality ones found on certain boards, such as the Asrock Z77 Extreme4, it may damage the board. As for the SSD, Plextor drives are on par with the Samsung 840- Pro, Vertex 4/Vector, etc. The Samsung 840 is an inferior drive due to cheaper and worse parts. Gigabyte Windforce over any other because of cooling and the MSI PE cost too much. 550w PSU is totally fine with one card, 650w for two cards. Make sure its a quality unit (Rosewill Capstone, XFX, Seasonic, NZXT Hale90, certain Antecs, etc).
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There is no reason to go for 3770k or 16GB of ram. These offer no improvements for gaming at all. For the SSD, there is no reason to change it to the Chronos, especially considering it is an worse ssd, being less reliable. For the GPU, the 7950/670/7970 is a better GPU. Since there is no reason to go with the more expensive CPU, just go with a MSI 670 or an Sapphire/Gigabyte 7970. Also, that PSU is unnecessary and expensive. 650w is perfectly fine for two, 750w for two 7970s. Even if you want to go for a 750w, there are other models that are cheaper and the same in terms of quality. I don't know why you changed for a more expensive but worse case either. If you really have any questions, I can try to help on steam. Feel free to add me.
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Thank you tr4656! You've been a big help! :]. I'm going to make (hopefully) a final edit tomorrow. To bad I have to sleep now. ._.
But explaining on what I did:
I kinda took the foundation of the Mega IV, since i was willing to go towards $1200 then the Mega III $899
I changed the CPU to an i7, because I thought the i5 couldn't handle the GTX 670. That way of thinking is I think wrong. But I only thought that way because there was this PC build tip that I read saying that the CPU and the GPU should be about the same price range. Then again I guess that's ridiculous. ._.
For the 16GB, I honestly don't know about RAM that much. I know my current PC has about under 512 MB. And I took the 16GB idea from the Mega IV.
For SSD's, this component is a new thing to me. I just keep hearing this PC tippers that SSD's > HDD's basically. I've been looking at people's PC build's and seen a lot of them using a 120GB SSD for their OS and usually a 2 TB (or more) HDD for their data storage. And followed what they had.
As for the PSU, again I took what the Mega IV, which was 800W. From what I've kinda observed, from the "Estimated Wattage" from PCPartPicker and doubled it. Ex: Estimated Wattage 350. Then double 700.
For the GPU. I sadly just typed in google "best video card" and got this. Just took the one that was less than your suggestion. ._.
I wanna type more but I have work tommorow :/. But thank you tr4656! Hope you can still help me and my journey towards building this PC.!
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Lets clear one thing first, Cyberpower is a business. They take advantage of people who typically look at numbers and want something bigger.
In most situations, the i5 is plenty for games. An exception to this may arise when having dual 7970s or GTX Titan but I would imagine an overclock would be fine. You will never use more than 8GB of ram for gaming and general use. Large amounts of ram are used for a very niche, such as video editors, servers (ramdisks), etc.
Yes, you should have an SSD for sure. My point is that the Plextor M5 is a higher quality SSD when compared to the Mushkin drive. You typically want higher quality SSDs for the best reliability. Their PSU calc is also wrong (to "scam" people). For single card setups, 550w is more than enough. When you are using 2 cards, 650w is fine in most setups while a dual 7970 would require 750w.
You should use sites such as Anandtech or Guru3D instead to look at benchmarks.
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For the most part, I decided to use your build suggestion.
Funnily after work, I ended up researching about RAM, other PC build's again, and Storage for like hours lmao.
Anyway's, I learned a lot about RAM today by just searching up "8GB vs 16GB". Feel a bit more knowledgeable about RAM. So I understand that in gaming you don't need 16GB, but it helps if a person runs multiple applications. In the back of my head, I think I'd need it because of the video editing and running games + other application's at the same time like Skype and ext. Then again maybe 8GB can still do the job. Idk I need confirmation on that.
For the Storage:
First part, SSD. I'm sure I at least want a 128GB or 120GB (Don't know the difference, but I guess I'll research about that tomorrow). Same goes about SSD brands. I so far only look at the amount of GB's and SSD has. So research +1 for my agenda. But I'll go with your word about Plextor.
Second Part, HDD. I've seen many PC build's having like a total of 3+ Storage Units. Ex: 120GB SSD, 1TB HDD, and 2TB HDD. I kinda somewhat wanna follow it. And I guess the reason is for recording purposes. So with the build you gave me I really like it, but should I change you 1TB suggestion to a 2TB one because of my recording mindset? Or get 3 Storage Units for: SSD for OS, 1TB for games, music, and etc, and 2TB for recording? I also saw a good deal (I guess) on amazon for a 2TB HDD.
So I guess this is what I got for now. But I guess until you (hopefully) reply to this, I'm going to hold off till tomorrow for the final edit/questions.
Also thanks for helping still! :D
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If you are going to do video editing you should of stated that earlier. In this situation, you would want the 3770k + 16GB for that reason. The main reason for 16GB is for video editing, not really for "other programs"
For SSD, 128GB is the same as 120GB. There is nothing to research about the two other than storage reasons. For brands, many people will suggest the Samsung. There is nothing wrong with them but its just that Plextor is not a popular brand. However in terms of quality, they use TLC controllers, which is more reliable than the type found in the 840. The Plextor M5P is just about as good or better than the Samsung 840 Pro/OCZ Vector.
In terms of hard disk, you can just go with one 3TB then.
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Sorry for the late reply, got busy with work.
But just a few questions. For the storage, I feel a little bit confused about it. Is 3TB enough? Obviously a ridiculous question to ask. But I can just add more Storage units when I need to right? (obviously ._. ... i think) Also, wouldn't the games in the 3TB HDD be affected by the raw and edited videos? But that only happens if the space runs out??
But thank you very much tr4656!! I'll be using that final build you suggested!
If want to look in to this; These are just a few people that I've been looking at their builds:
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just noticed this part of the thread he has been a great help but one tiny thing id suggest, look at the case in this partpicker list
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/OtqK
you would likely benefit greatly from it and it barely costs anything more (its the one I use! tons of space, hard drive slots for expansion, has 2 adaptors for ssd to fit into the slots, and has a hotswap dock at the top!)
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change only the graphic card to a 6850 or 7850 or above i prefer the second one 7770 underperfome at most games trust me but if you want to change to nvidia take 660 ti and above
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7770 underperforms? I know quite a lot of people who built a budget PC, with that card, and it kicks ass even at 1080p maxed out. Well, there are exceptions, such as Crysis 3, but most somewhat demanding games it runs at 40ish FPS with the settings stated above.
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With a budget of 1200, getting a 7770 instead of a 7850 or 7870 is a waste of money. A 7770 is hardly better than a 5770. When shopping AMD gaming video cards, the x7xx are budget cards, x8xx the mainstream, and the x9xx luxury cards.
As for which brand, I suggest HIS and Sapphire, in that order. Sapphire are all good for overclocking, and HIS make the IceQ line which are even better for overclocking. Seriously, get a 7850 or 7870 from these two.
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could be the all thing that made 7770 underperform at me but i suggest you go away from the 77xx series i dont know what your friends play but trust me even if at benchmarks could be fine on the other hand for the quality think is not so good.I had a 7970 oc {not good for his value but very good for crossfire} and i changed her for a 7990 and paid some more moneys but before all these i took "let me say a sample" from a friend and it was 7770; good perfomance but bad quality trust me in these i really dont want you to have problems.And i return to the main theme i suggest you turn to nvidia 660 ti and above or 68xx series (very good for low budget) or 78xx or above..... and something else i suggest sapphire has stability to price and quality
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go over to overclock.net they are very frendly ppl in the fourm i use it all the time and well there all entuhsites so most know there stuff.
do nut buy a prebuilt gaming rig it is not worth close to the price just get a fx83*,gtx 60, and 8 gig 1600ram and a half decent gaming board and then a decent cooling and you have a badass gaming rig.
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A prebuilt saves time and keeps novices from making a big mistake with assembly, but it will run you a surcharge of 80-150 USD for a 500+ priced system. For grandma, she should buy a prebuilt if she doesn't have a relative who is "good with computers." For everyone else, such as those who can setup and break down a console or PC at a new house in seconds, PC assembly will be easy for these people.
I second overclock.net. I also suggest anandtech.com.
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Hi again! So I need help again with my PC build. (I wanted to get help from PC Part Picker, but idk where to get help there. ._.")
So my budget is about $1200
And this is what I have: Right Now $770
It's like the Mega Special III $900
P.S.: Anyone else know where I can get great help besides Reddit and Thomas Hardware? (Well if you guys can't help me that is) :3
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