If you try to sell the keys you get by doing charity (that is what humble's about imho. Not buying keys from a sale) that's unethical above the piracy. But if you give those keys to someone without expecting anything in return, isn't it some sort of charity too? For example, I redeemed steam keys for myself and gave origin keys to my cousin (I could give them to someone I don't even know, that wouldn't be different in my eyes). No matter what you say, you cannot expect me to believe that this is wrong in any way. Besides, does any of you redeem both origin and steam keys for himself/herself just because she/he thinks it's wrong to give them to somebody else?
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How about suggessting your cousin to spare $1 for a charity and by that get a full set of amazing games, instead of giving him the extra keys you have? That's the ethic way to go, imho anyway.
They're 2 so you have the option to use them on your platform of choice. Also you can use the 2nd key as a sort of backup for your games on a different platform, on the (maybe unlikely, still) chance one goes busted.
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Look like they instantly forgot that whole "charity" thing...Like,who cares about that,when you don't use all keys you payed for,for yourself...Oh noes!Oh the inhumanity!By limiting key usage only to a person who PAYED for them,they show their true face,and that they don't give a fuck about all that "charity stuff"...At the end of the day,all they want is money and good marketing.
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I wasn't talking about EA,bob...No company/organization in industry gives anything for free,if they don't see some sort of profit by doing that. And who are you to guarantee me that even 1 cent of money I spent went to those charity organization I decided to give money for? Nobody.Just because "There's not even an option to give the money to EA" doesn't mean they don't get anything.For all I know,every single cent could've gone to EA,or HB.
P.S. Nice to remember how EA was bitching about steam sales "Cheapen Intellectual Property",thus not wanting to release many future games on steam,but selling bunch of games for 1$ isn't cheapening intellectual property at all?
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They want more Origin users out of this I'm guessing, as well as improving their image by giving money to charity.
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Just when PC gaming becomes significant again, with raise of indie scene and digital distribution, you simply try to kill it by messing with set of rules. Profiting on generous deals, bypassing regional restrictions etc. THQ already drowned, who comes next? You can't expect games to maintain current AAA quality for the prices of mobile games. Even when this isn't purely related to this thread, it shares some common traits of current PC gamers mentality (ie. we no longer pirate, we're just waiting till we get games for free). Let's just hope this isn't as big as it seems from this thread.
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While I don't necessarily disagree with you, you just went completely off-topic. EA didn't offer these because it's going bankrupt.
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Yeah I know it's bit off topic when we talk just about humble bundles, but in general it's much more on topic then we actually realize. By the way Square Enix has some serious troubles, they have from general point of view high quality games, but they do not generate expected profit.
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IF THEY GIVE US 2 KEYS IT'S BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO GIVE ONE TO ANOTHER PERSON/FRIEND. PIRACY= DOWNLOADING TORRENTS OF THOSE GAMES.
Example: If i buy as a gift sleeping dogs then i own the license,but if i give it to a friend then he is committing piracy?
If i buy as a gift link an humble bundle and the friend has already a game,is it linked to piracy? NO.
PIRACY=PLAY THINGS FOR FREE WITHOUT OWNING THE RIGHTS OF PLAYING THE GAME
GOT GIFTED=PLAY THINGS FOR FREE WITH RIGHTS OF PLAYING THE GAME
YOU DIDN'T PAYED FOR IT,BUT STILL,SOMEONE PAYED FOR IT AND GAVE IT TO YOU.
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Maybe you should read the Terms of Service!
(xiii) except as otherwise specifically set forth in a licensor’s end user license agreement, as otherwise agreed upon by a licensor in writing or as otherwise allowed under applicable law, distributing, transmitting, copying (other than re-installing software or files previously purchased by you through the Service on computers, mobile or tablet devices owned by your, or creating backup copies of such software or files for your own personal use) or
otherwise exploiting the Products (defined below) in any manner other than for your own private, non-commercial, personal use
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Your friend should pick up the bundle him/herself, come on its just a few dollars!
And Humble bundle can - if they want suspend you from further bundles and terminate your licenses for the software you bought
"Termination by Humble Bundle. If you fail, or Humble Bundle, in its sole and absolute discretion, determines or suspects that you have failed, to comply with any of the provisions of these Terms, including but not limited to failure to make payment of fees due, failure to provide Humble Bundle with a valid payment method, failure to safeguard your download page, or violation of our usage rules or any license to the software, Humble Bundle, at its sole discretion, without notice to you may: (i) terminate these Terms and/or your download page, and you will remain liable for all amounts due up to and including the date of termination; and/or (ii) terminate the license to the software;
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I don't see how this relates? Giving a separate license of the game away to someone else doesn't seem to break any portion of the ToS that you posted.
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if you don't want to see it, you really never will. there's no 2 separate licences, there's only one (for each game). it's for one person only to use, either you or your friend, not both. the 2 keys not 2 separate licences, are only there to give you the option of the platform you want to use and/or the chance to have a backup
btw, that's $1 (for all those games) that you're stealing from a charity, I wouldn't go much around proudly claiming it's your right to do so, just saying
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Please point out where it says that you only get a single license.
btw, that's $1 (for all those games) that you're stealing from a charity, I wouldn't go much around proudly claiming it's your right to do so, just saying
I have never given away a key for what you claim has only a single license. In fact, I agree that it's morally wrong to do so. Perhaps you should look through my post history before making such absurd claims and insulting me. In fact, if you go through my giveaway history, I don't believe I've ever split up a humble bundle before either.
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"Example: If i buy as a gift sleeping dogs then i own the license,but if i give it to a friend then he is committing piracy?"
He gets the license upon activation of the gift.
"If i buy as a gift link an humble bundle and the friend has already a game,is it linked to piracy?"
If you already activated a key of a game and he takes the second key, yes.
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Then people will claim Bobo is stifling dissent and censoring, etc.
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Damn, what happened to the good old 'sharing is caring'? Now they make you a pirate if you give some of the things you bought. If I don't need some of the keys, why can't I give or even trade them away? It's getting ridiculous. Some people here seem to think that buying something gives you more restrictions than rights.
Sure it's bad to sell the keys to people who don't know Humble Bundles, but why causing all the drama here? There are people without Paypal/Amazon etc. accounts or kids with no money or broke people or people wanting only one game from a bundle. Let them win it.
Kinda weird to see that 2 users got suspended for giving away games on website created to give away games. Fuck logic!
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Because you don't understand the difference between giving away a game you don't want/already have; and giving away a game you also used yourself.
The first is against the terms of the site you bought the bundle (some sites have other terms), the second is also piracy.
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giving away a game you also used yourself
Except you can't give away a game you already used yourself (other than DRM free copy). If you're going with the "single license" argument, I will have to respectfully disagree. Nowhere on the Humble Bundle site does it say that you only get a single license per game, rather than per key.
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Why should they give to you more than a license when you are supposed to use the bundle for "your own private, non-commercial, personal use"? Usually when you buy more than one license this is made clear during the buying process.
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You are buying more than one license. When you register the key on Origin and Steam, each platform gives you a separate EULA agreement, meaning that each key is it's own license. With regards to "your own private, non-commercial, personal use": this is completely up for debate. Giving away a key can fall under personal use.
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Each game has its own license. Registration is only a recognition process, you aren't buying something, they are just verifying if you are allowed to access the game and remind you the conditions related to the licensed game. When you purchase a software you are already owner of a license, doesn't matter whether you activate it or not, doesn't matter where and when you activate it.
If "private use", "non-commercial" and "personal use" isn't enough, what else they should write in the "Terms of Service"?
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Each game has its own license. Registration is only a recognition process, you aren't buying something, they are just verifying if you are allowed to access the game and remind you the conditions related to the licensed game. When you purchase a software you are already owner of a license, doesn't matter whether you activate it or not, doesn't matter where and when you activate it.
Fine. I can't argue with that, so I will agree with you. However, I still believe they are giving multiple licenses for each game
If "private use", "non-commercial" and "personal use" isn't enough, what else they should write in the "Terms of Service"?
Perhaps something like keys must only be used in the accounts held by the buyer.
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"Kinda weird to see that 2 users got suspended for giving away games on website created to give away games. Fuck logic!"
Because they did it as a "fuck you" to the OP, which is a bannable offense. It's disrespectful and immature to do it in this thread compared to posting something relevant to the discussion.
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im not sure bobofatt know, that the site he work for also make money with the bundlegames or why gives on every site a add? So i think its funny that exactly he talk about Piracy
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why ignorance its not true that this site generate mopney with adds?
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That money all goes to cg who, as I understand it, uses it to buy a heap of games to give away on Steamgifts.
Also, if you pay close attention to the opening post, Bobofatt is talking about Origin and Steam keys for a single game from the same bundle being used by 2 different people. While I'm not sure about the legality (or otherwise) of this in my country, and EA are unlikely to give an airborne one about it, this does seem like a bit of a dick move, and very much against the spirit of the bundle.
We're not talking about splitting regular Humble Bundles (well, not in the opening post, anyway). This is something altogether different :)
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i understand what you say but he talking also about TOS and the TOS say for personaly use so that includes every single Key so in his Opinion it is totaly wrong to give Keys away so i dont understand why he work here
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It's one interpretation of the TOS. I'd like to think the fact that the mods volunteer their time for this site doesn't mean they aren't entitled to an opinion...
"Personal use" is a vague term, although it's probably legal jargon in whatever country the TOS were drawn up for a very specific set of usages.
I guess if the Humble Bundle deal is for two discrete copies of each dual platform game, there is little issue with giving away the Origin keys. If the deal is for one copy, redeemable on multiple platforms, it is potentially problematic, and passing off the Origin keys could certainly be considered piracy.
For what it's worth, I'm in agreement with the OP in the sense that, legal or illegal, from a moral perspective, it doesn't seem like the "right thing" to do, and but that's a personal view, and I wouldn't look down on anyone for making Origin keydrops etc.
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totaly agree, but i dont wont hear from a suporter of this site a moraly speech and what i totaly disagree to suspend user only while they are not in his opinion. bobafatt say it was not him but no matter how it was, i hope he would be suspendet for a long time
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I don't think it was just a difference of opinion which got these people suspended. It was more a case of deliberatly baiting Support by dropping Origin keys in a thread trying to discourage it, and in one case delivering some delightful artwork to illustrate their [misplaced] animosity towards Support.
This whole thread seems to have stirred up a rich vein of rancor and ill-feeling, which I'm certain was never the original intention. I wonder whether it would be better off closed, to give everyone a chance to cool down...
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Products that can be redeemed both Origin and Steam can be created with a single key, you know. You can literally use the same key on both platforms now. If they felt that 'piracy' was an issue, they could have offered a single key. They didn't. This is EA we're talking about, who aren't just one of the big dogs in the business, but also iron-fisted with their money. Also Valve, who are a giant name in digital distribution. I'm pretty sure they had the foresight to halt this 'issue' if they felt it was a problem.
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It would change the problem because you would only have a single key for redemption, and if it needed to be, the two accounts it was redeemed on could be investigated, and if found to be two different people, a warning could be issued alerting them to the license and the terms they may have agreed to. If it occurred a second time, action could be taken.
And yes, they CAN create keys that activate games on both distribution platforms. Although this is currently limited to certain titles that I think are associated with EA. Look it up on the Origin help section.
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Yes,the site has costs and the costs are covered with ads. No, it does not make money with bundlegames (only very indirectly,and then again the site worked that way long before bundles were allowed. In fact the allowence for bundle games needed an expansion of the servers,which ofc costs a lot of money again).
Then: What have ads to do with piracy? Are you aware what piracy means?
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i talking in his view you have to make a difference there. So when he say "its piracy to split Bundles and give them away" and that would be truth (what i not think then all have buy the games) then he work for a Piracy Site who make with adds Money(it makes in law thinking no difference you use them for Power or something its money) and so i dont understand why he work for this site
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in seiner Ansicht splittest du die Lizenz auch weil du ja das Bundle kaufst und dann splittest das heisst mehrere Games an diverse Personen gehen obwohl nur du die Lizenz für dich kaufst. Was natürlich totaler Unfug ist
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Nein,da verstehst du ihn schlicht falsch. Es geht darum,dass das selbe Spiel an mehrere Leute vergeben wird.
"You can get a Steam license, a Desura license, a DRM-free license, or even Origin license, but its intended to be ONE LICENSE for ONE PERSON. When you pay for one bundle and then let multiple people access the same games, it's piracy."
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ja aber eben es sagt das du alle keys verwenden darfst auf Origin wie auf Steam und dann hilft dir das Europäische recht das du alles verkaufen darfst was du gekauft hast somit auch alle Keys. Und moralisch naja wenn ich was moralisches hören will dann geh ich in die Kirche
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Stellt der Urheberrechtsinhaber seinem Kunden [..] eine – körperliche oder nichtkörperliche – Kopie zur Verfügung, und schließt er gleichzeitig gegen Zahlung eines Entgelts einen Lizenzvertrag, durch den der Kunde das unbefristete Nutzungsrecht an dieser Kopie erhält, so verkauft er diese Kopie an den Kunden und erschöpft damit sein ausschließliches Verbreitungsrecht, heißt es in der Mitteilung des Gerichts. (sry for German, too lazy to translate)
Translate it yourself or see: European Court of Justice. You are wrong with that beeing piracy, bobo. But I agree that it is morally reprehensible to do this against HB. Also you should calm down with suspending users for posting keys, even here. How respectfull is it on the other hand as a mod (not you) to call user to fuck themselves?! I didn't expect that from support stuff...
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so then say us who supsend the poeple really then i can give him a negative feedback but im sure that was u
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That would be calling out, and then bobo would be suspended for calling out. :P
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So you have 2 negative comments now? :O
Seriously: Whoever it was, he reads this thread too and knows that I mean him/her. I didn't want to blame just you.
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I don't think you read what the three users who got suspended have written.
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As it's presently written, it looks like you would have written the edit. You or jade should write the name of the person that edited it. That would be standard practice. I don't understand why anyone would want this misunderstanding to persist.
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I think only the person who executed the suspensions can reveal him/herself. Otherwise it's "calling out" even for support.
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D.h. nur,dass du die Lizenz weitergegeben werden darf,nicht aber geteilt.
It just means that a license can be passed on to someone else,not to be splitted.
Despite that this judge was the famous one where everyone thought "steam now has to allow us to sell our games again",but still basically it was just a judgement on the case Usedsoft and Oracle and people are up to now still debating how it affects other platforms.
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Naja und ich habe z.T. 3 Lizenzen bekommen. Also habe ich 2 übrig die ich im verwerflichsten Falle sogar weiterverkaufen dürfte. Ist mit den 25er Lizenzen von Oracle das selbe. Und das wurde verhandelt.
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Nur ums mal auf die Spitze zu treiben: Wieso bekomm ich dann 2 Origin keys? Und wieso hält sich HB nich an seine eigenen Regeln diesbezüglich, bei anderen Bundles bekommt man sogar extra keys. Außerdem behaupte ich einfach mal, das zumindest der Steam und der Origin key 2 Lizenzen darstellen, da der Origin key von Steam wahrscheinlich zur Steam Lizenz dazugehört. Jeder der beiden keys wirkt schließlich als Lizenz und aktiviert das Spiel auf der jeweiligen Plattform.
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Aber es ist wohl so, dass beide Keys zu einer Lizenz gehören. Also wenn du jetzt den Steamkey nutzt und den Originkey nem Kumpel gibts: Dann teilt ihr euch die Lizenz.
Jedenfalls verstehe ich das gerade so. Falls falsch, bitte um Korrektur! :)
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Naja, wenn der die beiden HB keys eine Lizenz geben, was ist dann mit dem 3. key?! Und vor allem wo steht das? Wir spekulieren hier nur... Ich denke nämlcih ehen das EA hier Origin promoten will, damit sich die Leute dran gewöhnen.
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Beispiel,du kaufst das Spiel prey im Laden. Der key der da mitkommt kann auch bei Steam aktiviert werden,das Spiel selbst muss aber nicht bei Steam aktiviert werden. D.h. nicht,dass du 2 Lizensen gekauft hast und den Steamkey einfach hergeben darfst,es gehört trotzdem zur selben Lizenz.
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Kann sein, streite ich auch nicht ab, kann aber auch nicht sein. Das ist das Problem.
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Wir reden hier aber davon, dass ich 2x für die selbe Plattform bekomme. Und wenn ich beide keys eingeben könnte, wären sie möglicherweise (wahrscheinlich sogar ganz bestimmt) auch 2 Lizenzen. "Lizenz" ist wahrscheinlich zu weit gefasst. Wobei es demnächst eh Abonnement heißen wird.
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Ich denke du meinst die extra Keys, welche von Steam ausgeliefert werden wenn du deinen Key vom Humble Bundle bei Steam registrierst? Vermutlich könnte man sagen dass dieser Key von Steam selbst kommt und somit nicht mehr zum Humble Bundle gehört?
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Have a really stupid question, where are the license?
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Let me get this straight,
I don't care. I've been pirating right and left, and have been buying original software/games right and left.
I do as I please.
And yes, I understand about Software Licensing - been working as IT for many years. I'm handling Microsoft licensing also for my company I'm working at.
Last thing to say, I try to profit off of my stuffs whenever I can. Including Humble Bundle.
But hey one question: What are you trying to achieve by posting this thread? Want to be a hero? Give me your blunt AND honest answer.
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If Humble Bundle really cared about this, they would only allowed you to buy one bundle for you and if you want to give, just buy for gifting but now you can buy as many bundles as you can
And just one key for all the games
sorry for my crappy english
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Your English is pretty good actually. Better than many of the native English speakers I speak to daily.
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Then dont understand why is allowed make giveaways here of steam games from HumbleBundle and other bundles with duplicate keys from 2 or more platforms. For example is not important for me play the games on origin or steam, I could buy the bundle, then install the origin games and make giveaways of the Steam games here, is a possibility, so... this is piracy too?
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How is the site gonna know where you got your game from? The only way to control this would be to restrict the giveaway to giftable copies bought in the Steam store.
As to your second, direct question - yes, it's piracy. It's supposed to be one game for your choice of platform, not two (or even three) games for three people.
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as for the piracy thing . . . the humble bundle is(was founded to reduce) trying to get legit keys out there. As many people pointed out it is fully an ethical standpoint. I have said over and over that this site shouldn't support the breaking of humble's TOS. . . but is a hard thing to do. The people to redeem one and gift another should feel a bit of shame. Yet, seeing as EA donated the keys it's humble blunder. . . seeing as you can redeem steam keys on Origin if you click on the key. . . so they should have kept the same keys for both. . . in this case the fault, if any is with humble and the many people exploiting their over-site. This case is apples and oranges and the debate is kinda pointless seeing as users are indeed using the tools that are available. The only way this would be a real issue is if this site said no or Humble fixes this mistake. Other then that it is only keys that EA has donated for charity. . . the only people really getting harmed, if any. . . is the charity groups that aren't getting the money from people not buying the bundle (which they probably wouldn't buy anyway). I'm usually freaking out about this stuff but in this case it's kinda fair game. . . though for steam gifts if EA or Humble try to claim that there is support of the exploitation then there might be an issue. . . EA is kinda a bastard company that way. . . then again there is no pirated copies in this instance soooo they may be more so happy then not.
One final note these are all legit keys and thus legit licences so in many ways it is two types of charity so quit the bickering of piracy. . . these are all legal copies. . .though not fully legally given away seeing as there is a breaking of the TOS . . . honored no so much but sill legit keys. . . so in no way is this piracy just a tad in the grey area like many have said. . . the piracy word is when dealing with cracks and torrents. please get that right.
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First Bobofatt you say your not suspendet this guys and then edit your post and say why you suspend this guys. So what is now the fact? And "Have a good day, and thanks for the drama." sorry i think you are damn disrespectfull to the users now and i mean you startet this all, not the others! I really dont understand why CG think you are good for the Team, i hope he leave a answer here about your acting. On moment you act like a little kid and not like a supporter
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Why is it every time a word ends with "ed" you spell it "et". Granted English is probably your second language but try pronouncing it with "et", it probably doesn't sound right does it? Making the comment of Jamoke not an insult but an observation, so somehow I doubt your report will do anything except waste the time of the mods.
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oh im sure its a insult he call me stupid so thats 100% an insult and yeah its my 4th language thanks your languagecourse :)
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For someone who knows four languages, you really don't know how to keep a conversation going, do you? While you're at it, report half the people here in the thread, you included. People are insulting each other, people are being disrespectful to the mods, and you are insulting me with your atrocious English. So please do.
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only to say hi and to know what the problem are but nice group you have there lol the first join and then answer " i hack your account " i mean lol that say enough
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Nobody said anything about hacking? It's plain trivial to just make up lies. You came to the chat, obviously with the intent to troll, but you did not expect our troll repelling skills!
I mean, you came into the group making fun/insulting our rule, did you not? Go ahead, cry to support. I have the chatlog ready. Too bad you're too daft to realize that one of the support members were in the chat the whole time.
Come back anytime, though. We enjoy laughing at you.
Silly Siat.
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you mean the same support member who suspend user without any reason i see him bobafoot yeah i see him and you say basicly while you are in the same group like him you would not be suspendet here. so an other abuse of his job here nice thanks for the info
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bobafatt didn't suspend them. Learn your facts before you post please.
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you read his own edit ? not really or so what talk then about?
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I'm not sure who edited, but bobo has clearly stated that he didn't suspend them.
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i read this also but common who else edit a topic of a teammember that looks fishy to me
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why deflecting i mean its big enough to read this or not?http://puu.sh/44bDq.png
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Bobofatt did not suspend them. What does who edited the post have anything to do with who suspended the users?
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I'm not entirely sure what I just read, but I'm gonna reply to the best of my ability.
As Jatan has stated, Bobo did not suspend anyone. Also, why can't I be in the same group as a support member? They are humans just like you and I. They aren't robots (well, except maybe CG). I know having friends is something very, very, very hard for you to comprehend, but you must understand.
I also never said I would not be suspended. But, sure, I don't see any reason for me being suspended. 70% of this thread would be suspended, if their infraction was simply "insulting" one another. (As Wbarton said somewhere in the thread yesterday.)
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Oh wow 4 language is that supposed to be impressive? I know 4 as well and you do not see making a simple spelling error? This is not a long word that is difficult to spell, it is you replacing a d with t for whatever reason.
As for it being an insult, well can it really be an insult if its a fact? Just pointing out the obvious can not really be an insult
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lueg ich loh mich au vo dir ned provoziere isch simpel du chasch denke und verzehle was wilsch sell ned mis problem si
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i say nothing to you that the point while i answer to BongoGT and not to you. But basicly i say to him : look i let me not provocate here, also not from him. easy he can think whatever he want thats not my problem" to you i say enough you insult me i have report you then it is against the FAQ
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i dont think it gives a translator for this language :))
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Yeah, this isn't correct... ya know that thing that pops up when you install it, the license agreement saying you can't share it... until you agree to that, you are under no obligation to keep the codes. If they don't explicitly state you can't give them, it's not piracy.
Also, kudos to EA for giving all the money from the present huge bundle to charity. I gave more than I needed for their strange out of character generosity lol
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Just because you are a moderator, doesn't mean everything you say is automatically true.
Let's look at the facts: They give you keys for BOTH Steam and Origin. If they only wanted you to use one key, they'd make you choose between Origin OR Steam. But no, they give you two keys.
So much for the facts. Now, why do they do this? My opinion: Only they know. In the end, it makes absolutely NO difference whether the LEGIT key you have in your account stays unused because you already used the other key or give it to someone else. It's still two keys that are "gone", unused or not. And you purchased them legitimately. Whether you give them away or not makes absolutely no difference. And the term piracy gives absolutely no ground to be used for this.
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I just double checked their ToS and I didn't find a single line that mentioned ANYTHING about giving keys to others.
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"(xiii) except as otherwise specifically set forth in a licensor’s end user license agreement, as otherwise agreed upon by a licensor in writing or as otherwise allowed under applicable law, distributing, transmitting, copying ([…]) or otherwise exploiting the Products (defined below) in any manner other than for your own private, non-commercial, personal use."
Doesn't that cover it?
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(xii) is quite vague but of course it's written like that so it can be interpreted as needed. But that link of yours explains the way the see it quite well. Thanks for clearing that up.
Still, it's not piracy. And having a pinned thread with that title is spreading false information and should be changed.
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"personal use" can be interpreted in many different way. One is use only for yourself, one is for "non-commercial" use. Giving away a key could fall under personal use. Of course they wrote it like this so that it can be interpreted as needed, as stated by barc0de1989 above.
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Seems to me like key drops should be disallowed, since they are more in the "public" whereas giveaways are private transactions between two parties.
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I'm just making stuff up at this point lol :P
I actually agree that it's morally wrong to share the keys. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
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Terms of use agreement says nothing against sharing the codes, just went through the entire agreement, there is only mention of piracy as making copies of the software and using it for anything more than back ups, which is by no means the same thing.
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I don't get from where you get the idea that there's one license per game. There's no single license agreement in the Humble Bundle. It's once you redeem each key you get to sign for a license agreement (so effectively, there's a license for each key).
Gibing away keys is against the ToS, that's all, and that's not piracy by any means. Then I don't understand why you make the difference between 2 keys for the same game and 2 keys for different games. Either both cases are against the ToS or none of them are. There's no single wording in the ToS that makes these 2 cases different.
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"Gibing away keys is against the ToS, that's all, and that's not piracy by any means" (sic)
Where do you see that? I see no line in the Humble Bundle ToS that mentions that.
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Wops, *giving :P
Let me reword it: if it's something, it's just a ToS infringement, not piracy. I won't discuss if it's actually against the ToS or not, the wording there is a bit confusing (as in any legal text :P), but there are a pair of places that may mean that and have already been mentioned in this thread.
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+1. There is a license for each key. When you redeem the key, you get a EULA on each platform, giving you an individual license on each platform.
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Bobo, I'm gonna try and give/suggest you a little idea. :)
When any support makes a thread or a PSA thread, never comment in it, just edit the thread, or maximum do these "automated" comments like: "The thread has been edited."
IMAGINE, with this "rule", there could be threads made by support without shitstrom, or as you called it: drama. What a wonderful world! :)
(Just and honest opinion passing by please don't hate.)
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When you buy a Humble Bundle, you're paying for a license to be used by one person for each game. Humble is awesome, and set up this cool thing where you get to use your license on whatever platform you wish that's available. You can get a Steam license, a Desura license, a DRM-free license, or even Origin license, but its intended to be ONE LICENSE for ONE PERSON. When you pay for one bundle and then let multiple people access the same games, it's piracy.
I see Desura keydrops here all the time, and I know they're duplicate licenses from Humbles. Now we get Origin keydrops everywhere. Witcher/Witcher 2 GOG backup codes on SteamTrades. Don't Starve Chrome keys. It's piracy. You're sharing a one-person license.
Humble is awesome, GOG/CD Projekt is awesome. Let's stop abusing their awesomeness. Encourage people to buy themselves instead of hunting for keydrops. And for the love of GabeN quit trying to profit off of them through trade.
EDIT: HEY, DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT WITH YOUR KEYS. You're not going to get in trouble, you're not going to get arrested. When you share your licenses, it just makes most people who understand software licensing think you're an asshole. We're not going to stop you, we're not going to suspend you. The two suspensions below were because it's pretty damn disrespectful and stupid to do it in this thread. Have a good day, and thanks for the drama.
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