You have a winner with 20 wins, 0 games given, 0 comments - what do you do after sending the key?
Personally id like to thank everyone. Its the right thing to do.. but people are shit, and so there will be enough to fill your blacklist :)
btw.. i personally think its good that people like you do nonrestricted giveaways! shows your openhearted, not like myself... just a moody bad person without cash for great giveaways and just bundlestuff :/
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Out of my own experiences I do agree with you that higher levels don't fix the issue. :-(
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you're calling that dude unthankful and entitled
how would you know ?
to me you seem like the unthankful and entitled one, expecting people to write thankful messages and giving more than they win, for some reason. for YOUR reasons. those reasons do not fit within the steamgifts rules. they are not requirements and that's for the best, because that's the best thing to do
you never know why somebody's not giving something. you never know why somebody's not writing a message. and not giving more than we receive is not something bad. you can't expect and ask for something from a GIVEAWAY. the name speaks for itself. the website name speaks for itself
how about the people who write comments automatically with scripts ? how one could say that someone do it ? and how could say that scripting messages is something bad, if the author isn't yet thankful ? i myself used to write down thousands and thousands of comments, and i think some people blacklisted me, thinking i was a bot. now i don't write anything anymore, and i think now some people blacklist me thinking i'm a bot again because i enter giveaways without leaving a message
you'll only find the worse reason to explain why somebody's doing or not doing something yet nothing can lead you to know and you don't know them in person. you just speculate out of nothing. you'll always pretend, claim they're just bad people with bad intentions and bad reason for anything they do or do not. you always claim the negative, like if you were good and anything that doesn't fit your own personal, biased and wrong expectations and standards was automatically bad. to me, for all that you are the bad one here. i just checked your profile and noticed that you were in my blacklist. now i think i can remember you making such an other attention-whoring thread not long ago, and i kinda agree with myself on that
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rules are not morals and education is taught at home as a first, if someone is lacking that, it is most noticeable if he does not spare the time to thank someone that gave him a chance to get it for free, be it done automatically by a script (at least he put in the effort for that), manually, or absent.
Morals in modern society tend to coincide and be kind of the same with variations, but every language contains an apposite sign/sound for appreciation or thankfulness; if one does not possess these basic "skills" for me he is as you put it "unthankful and entitled".
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I mean, I agree that some of your criticisms are valid, but I don't think it's logically consistent for you to accuse someone of being "unthankful and entitled" for giving something away and expecting a modicum of decorum about it. While you can't know what someone else is thinking(the winner might be very grateful and just not feel comfortable replying because of shyness or a language barrier), at the same time you can't blame Yirg because, while he might be entitled (again, I find it hard to see how someone LITERALLY GIVING AWAY STUFF FOR FREE can be entitled), he might just correlate gratitude with enjoyment of the gift and see comments as a metric of gratitude (and therefore utility of the gift, and would rather give the gift to someone who would enjoy it more). Your argument can't cut both ways.
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This is something that's changed quite a bit since SGv2. Previously, prizes were often delivered by e-mail or Steam chat, and so there was a good opportunity for the winner to say thanks. Now, while notifications mean that you can leave someone a thanks in their GA and they'll see it, it's a feature which isn't really talked about and isn't as obvious a thing to do. Since the key delivery is often handled by the site and so feels more automated, people are less likely to think about the person behind it. Of course, it's entirely possible this winner has thanked people through some other means anyway, but even if not, it's understandable why they wouldn't.
If the lack of thanks is something that bothers you - which is also understandable - then you might want to add your winners on Steam and give them the prize personally. Note that some people will refuse the add, which also probably shouldn't be held against them - the majority of adds on Steam tend to be bots or unwanted traders/beggars, and it might not come to mind to associate you with SG.
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Keep in mind that e-mails to/from some users have a tendency to get lost, and that users with zero comments might just be uncomfortable with talking (language barrier, social anxiety, etc.) rather than ungrateful. Still, it's worth a try and it'll be interesting to see if there's a difference.
(sorry if this appears multiple times, I think SG's having some problems)
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Yes, I'll keep this in mind and I haven't made up my mind that lack of response would necessarily result in an add to the blacklist. However, there'll have to be strong hints that some justification exist (i.e. not a Steam profile with active discussions...).
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Nope. At least based on my experience. Percentage of people who respond to the email that sent the key/gift link is even lower than a simple key reveal on the site. The only way to ensure something resembling a "thanks" is to add them on Steam and send the stuff directly in chat, when they are available and talking to you.
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I have had several winners from groups and from high level public that I did add like you said but a week later they still didn't bother to say a simple thank you but those wil not be a problem for me any more as they are now blacklisted and blocked, permanently.
Edit: One of those winners was in a group that has saying thank you as a main rule and he even did the same with two other giveaway creators in that same group...
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Yeah, this is why I quickly edited in the "in a conversation" part, because I recalled a guy who didn't really speak English and didn't respond but activated the key normally.
(Since it was a CIS-region giveaway I made after getting a region-locked key on a trade, I wasn't really offended… after all, Russia has one of the lowest percentages of English-speakers on the planet. I don't really expect a Russian or a Brazilian – the other champions of not-habla-inglés – to say anything when they maybe don't even know what the word "thanks" is.)
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I wonder if SGTools rule about having >0 comments could be made ^^
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Hmm, mainy just feel bad. :)
I think some people can't communicate well (or at all) in English, so they play it safe and say nothing... :) I've seen instructions for how to use Steamgifts in other languages, so I assume there's a fair amount of people getting by on translation plugins and random guessing... :) Suppose that would explain some of the regifting and not activating, too... :)
On the other hand, there are probably some around here who think we're just video game dispensers, mindless robots with only one purpose: to give them free stuff... :)
But thinking about it a bit more, I'd rather read nothing than someone's thanks script. :) It's disappointing when the winner of a giveaway hasn't bothered to say anything, but for public giveaways I'm surprised if even ten percent of the people entering can scrape two words together... If everyone wrote a comment I'd probably die... :)
Bump... :)
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In my experience, 8% is about average for a public giveaway in the comments section. That goes up to 80% in the chat log for people who actually win.
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um..it's a gift. It's always good manner to say a thanks who gives you a gift.
I dont care much, but if they dont say a thanks and ratio is really bad. blacklist.
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Good manners start at home. If the person's parents didn't raise them properly, you're not going to solve the problem overnight.
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True that. Very wise words. And it's actually not even his/her fault. It's his/her parents' fault.
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Well, in the end, it's a matter of choice. Nature will push you, Nurture will train you, but neither will override Free Will.
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But it's all a matter of influence. For example, if the people around a kid would always tell him that being polite is stupid and bad, then how would he know that being polite is actually good? Just because random people on the internet would tell him that being polite is good? So? He wouldn't believe them. It's all about the environment you're growing into, the people that you grow up with, their attitude, etc.
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A person's nature will push them toward or away from certain things. How the person is nurtured (brought up) will train them as to what they should pursue or avoid. In the end, however, it is up to the individual whether to embrace or rebel against the promptings of their own selves (Nature) and their mentors (Nurture). Nothing overrides Free Will.
You will notice that I have not included "right and wrong" in the above. A person may pursue doing what seems right to him or her at the time and still make a mistake. Good intentions do not always result in the best action being taken. I was just making the point that whatever action is taken is determined by choice. There are cases, of course, where choice does not exist (unconscious, insane, infantile), but that is a separate topic.
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Move on. It's not really a huge deal, and I don't think blacklisting is appropriate for this circumstance, since not saying thanks is not against any rule. Instead I've decided to whitelist anyone who says thanks after winning one of my giveaways. Carrots are better than sticks.
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I'd be thinking: C'est la vie. xD Life is unfair. That's the least of your problems right now. Actually, I wouldn't even consider it as a problem. I would be like: Meeehhhh, I don't even care.
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I used to care a lot about my winners back in the early days of SG, Even had special giveaways for people that had good playtime on games they had won from me. But it, like so many other preferences I had with SG, just slowly died out and went away because it required far too much effort. I still try to enforce a little extra etiquette in group and whitelist giveaways when I make them but even that is only on the rare occasion when I feel like it. Hell, I barely even look at my winners anymore unless they made a interesting comment.
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We can always say thanks in steam, so I don't care how much comments someone have. I think if you want to blacklist ungrateful people - just blacklist those who don't said thanks to you.
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I liked getting my keys through email, I could always give a more heartfelt thanks that way... ;_;
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A black list because they do not say thanks???
Wow not only do some now black list for saying thanks,now you can if you do not...
I guess in some cases your damned if you do and it you do not...in fact i use to say thank you on every GA i entered but then when i saw some where black listing for saying thanks because they do not want spam...so now i do not bother most of the time unless i win.Though i do not demand or even check if a GA i did they said thanks.I do not need a thank you for giving a game i do this because i enjoy it,and i do not need a simple thank you to acknowledge what i do is a good thing,but they are welcome :)
I do not get this need for demanding a thanks like you need some confirmation that you did something good and you need a thank you to confirm what you did and have it acknowledge.The deed of giving it suppose to be enough..
This site is turning more and more into about ratios and saying thanks and so forth...makes me want to give back less and less the more i see it.
funny thing though is...
Thank you everyone for the great feedback so far. Based some of the comments here what I'm going to do in these cases (winner has many wins, but 0 comments) is send the key + congratulations in email, instead of using this site. If the winner activates the key but doesn't even respond to the mail, then they won't be winning more games from me
Yet most people who answered the poll just said move on,so who advice are you following to black list people? ...i think you where just looking for a few people to agree with your black list thing to acknowledge what your doing doing is approved and some how okay.
It is your black list to do as you see fit,but still sad to see ratios and thanks being a reason for being on it,for a site that was built on sharing.
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I don't think it's a case of "damned if you do and it you don't". It's always "safe" to not thank on entering if it's not explicitly required in the GA description or the group description. Similarly, it's always "safe" to thank GA creators as a winner, if they didn't explicitly say that it's not. Just read GA descriptions when you enter, and group description when you join, and you're good to go. Whether you decide to show gratitude when winning or not is your own choice, but don't be surprised if 34% of people who voted (and by extension people on this site) would see it as a reason to blacklist you if you do it regularly and never thank anyone.
And practically no-one is "demanding a thanks". You certainly won't see it in my GA descriptions, and some of them are very wordy. However, if someone never thanks it's a good sign that he/she really does see me as anything more a "video game dispensers, mindless robot with only one purpose: to give him free stuff" (to quote fiftykyu). It may not be cool for me to actively dislike this, but that's the way it is. And the results of the poll show that I'm among many uncool folks who see this similarly.
Since you asked, the specific comment that made me think that instead of blacklisting I should send the key by email + congratulate users was this, but there are other posts about the subject that make me think I should at least give it a try. I don't know how your conclusion is that my mind was set to blacklist and that I did not care about what people have to say, when the end result is the opposite. I am changing my mind on this and choosing a different route than the one I initially voted for in this poll (actually, this option didn't even cross my mind which is why it's missing from the poll).
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I was not trying to say that is always the case i just meant sometimes you are.As the OP clearly said they would black list this person if they do not acknowledge the e-mail and say thanks.And some will back list you if you do say thanks,so yes at times it is damned if you do and damned if you do not.
As i guess it fine to put them on the black list for such a thing,not saying they can not i am just saying i think it is wrong.It also lead me to think they are only thinking of there wants and not how it may effect others.As i always say thanks when someone does something nice for me,and me feeling like i might be punished for doing such a thing just does not sit well with me.Yeah i know some will post not to say thanks,but i am one that likes to say thanks regardless,but if i feel i might be punished for it then i am more inclined to just brush it off.Sure it is a minor annoyance but it still irks me a bit that i have to pick and chose when to say thanks based on someone else deciding for me or be punished for not doing as they say.
I know it just a simple black list and not the end of the world,it just reminds me of how so many thought black listing for a vac ban was taking it to far but yet this seems to be okay with a lot people lol.Yet most argued that a vac ban has nothing to do with entering a GA,well what the hell does saying thanks have to do with it?
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I wouldn't mind so much, actually I get annoyed when people thank me on GA's, especially when they win. I generally thank ppl myself if I win, but only because I think it annoys them.
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I love that you make an sgtools GA with remark <= 2 years. I broke the rules about three years ago, when I just entered the site. I had two defcon soundtracks in my winning history, they're among my first winnings.
Well, I didn't care about the rules those times, young and stupid. I was suspended for that and never broke any rules after that. I am glad that you give an opportunity to people who realized their mistakes to participate in your giveaways.
I am blacklisted tho and cannot enter the GA, but I love your approach as I stated it above :D
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I'm not asking about delivering the key. There's no real option here. You deliver it, as per site rule, but do you do anything else?
My point here is not about ratio but about users who never bother to thank any GA creator (as is evident by having 0 comments, yet plenty of wins giving enough opportunity to do it). I'm therefore removing the "0 games given" from the title.
Update: Thank you everyone for the great feedback so far. Based some of the comments here what I'm going to do in these cases (winner has many wins, but 0 comments) is send the key + congratulations in email, instead of using this site. If the winner activates the key but doesn't even respond to the mail, then they won't be winning more games from me. The "SOLVED" in the title is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I really am hopeful that this approach can work better than just blacklisting or ignoring, so thanks again! :-)
O.GA
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