Capitalization is a waste of time
I couple of months back I saw a comment of a former uni classmate, I was rather shocked to see how many girls commented they had the same issue, specially since most of them don't use public transportation and don't spend much time on the street. I told her that I was surprised since I would have never guessed she had to face that problem, she told me that it was a fairly regular thing for her.
And yes she's attractive and yes she probably liked to wear micro shorts from time to time, nevertheless I kind of despise catcalling, even got pissed when friends (sometimes drunk) did that thing when I was driving. But sadly you can't educate respect to 100% of people, all we can do is try to increase the % of respectful people towards other fellow human beings (race, sex, religion, etc), which is what I think this kind of threads strive for.
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I have a lot of sympathy for women regarding these harassment issues and as someone in a long distance relationship that translates into a lot of worrying. I really hope it will get better in the future and I can't even imagine how it feels living with this as a part of your daily life.
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Holy crap. I've read some outrageous crazy shit in this thread, but I think this one takes the cake.
Anyways, do you have a picture of yourself so we can see what kind of numbskulled chucklehead would spew the bull you just vomited? Actually, screw that. I don't want to traumatise myself.
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Hmm. I wasn't completely sure if you were for real at first, but it looks like you are actually serious. Good luck, DanielThomsen. You'll need it.
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He's saying you'll need luck because you have a warped worldview.
You will continually meet with resistance to your line of thinking.
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You can use buzzwords if you want, labels come and go.
This is not the science of rockets, simply respect people and consider their perspective even if you don't understand it. Just because you haven't personally witnessed any evidence of a thing, does not necessarily make it untrue.
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You sure?...because its illegal in European countries
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Completely agree, that's what the silent majority think don't worry.
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You completely agree? I mean, even giving the benefit of hyperbole, can you honestly dismiss all of anecdotal evidence ITT (and in the world)? Personal experience is relevant. Simply because it doesn't fit into your own perspective and experience, does not invalidate it.
I'm sure you've had a bad experience with some over zealous folks (who hasn't?), but to dismiss the entire concept in general is rather ignorant. If anything, the volatility of the issue should be proof enough that it at least deserves serious, unbiased examination. When you refuse to consider other perspectives, however, no one ever delves any deeper and people form simple, stubborn divisions on misaligned perceptions.
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I don't dismiss it. I was a victim of child abuse, like many women and men, and I won't stand people comparing compliments or insults with child abuse or rape.
Also I don't care about street harassement, because while women are not necessarily directly responsible for it, which means men aren't either, a societal inequality between men and women is responsible for it: the extreme relational, sexual and social inequality which advantages women. And by ignoring that while pushing for false, misandric and abusive narrative, the feminist propaganda will make things 10x worse as it has for the past 10 years.
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Wow, not what I expected from you at all. You're certainly welcome to your view, but I simply can't buy the "female advantage" as you describe it. I believe it can exist in certain circumstances, such as financially stable white women in an area of white dominance. But if you really think that "the feminist propaganda" has led to a majority equality shift toward women over men-- I honestly don't know what to say, we clearly live in different worlds.
Given your lexicon, you do seem to have a view tainted by extremist elements. I know no antidote for this, other than to stress the larger concepts and minimize the squeaky wheels. Any group, upon reaching large enough numbers, will always attract misguided zealots. However, you only need to look at the statistics and anecdotal evidence from women in your life personally to realize that your "female advantage" does not exist in the majority of the world.
I don't dismiss it. I was a victim of child abuse, like many women and men, and I won't stand people comparing compliments or insults with child abuse or rape.
As a victim of said abuse, you may know that often the largest psychological factor is the omnipresent fear of the abuse occurring again. Not necessarily the abuse itself, but the incessant threat always looming above you. Negative or possessive comments, such as catcalling, serve to amplify, enforce, and ultimately encourage this culture of fear in both the victims and aggressors.
Again, this is truly an issue of experience, environment, and empathy. You may not feel any of these factors in your life, and women in your local circle may indeed exhibit what you perceive as a "female advantage." However, this is most certainly not the norm in the majority of the world.
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I'm very educated on feminism. Enough that I know that this current thing most people still call "feminism", is it's recurrent and complete corruption until it has become contradictory and counter-productive.
"equality shift toward women over men" there's no such things. Equality, wether it's in an equation or in a weight balance, is not symbolised by equating two different entities until they are exactly the same but by the = sign or the balancing pole in between. Which means one same and single right, consideration and treatment for everyone, be it male or female (I say that not to get into genders, because then there's no really such thing as "women" and "men" as social entities regarding a same right as humains)
Also there is no such thing as "privileges" whether active or passive when we are talking of NOT being advantaged in a certain way. Men NOT being harassed is not a privileged, rather women being harassed IS a hindrance. On the other hand women never having to approach, act, seduce, convince, be judged etc...by men is a privilege. Now wether it's women privilege or hindrance doesn't really matter, the fact is that harassment
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Is a worthless problem compared to rape, violent aggression, abuse/pedophilia, hunger and violent death, poverty/unemployment, or misery in different forms which impact way more men in different ways, as well as women who would never complain about such thing.
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It is a minor problem however, mainly for the fact that in most case, men do not approach women as people human, but as physical sexual prospect, and sometime in dismissive or insulting way. Okay, let's say we have to fix the problem: first we have to know it's origin. Well it's origin is the women privilege I mention above: the fact that women never have to do the work of approaching, being perfectly enough groomed/dressed, have the right posture, say the right thing, sell themselves, seduce, convince, and even get hard in bed. Women have to do none of that while men have to: this is the basic definition of inequality and it actually starts having names: relational, social and sexual inequality or misery. If we had equality in those domains, therefor fixed these problems, there would be no more harassement, there wouldn't even be the need or idea to.
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We could go deeper, for exemple about the topic of fear: knowing something about trauma, and my reaction to certain things, I can tell you there's a difference between instinctive fear/mistrust, and paranoid, if not discriminatory or racist paranoΓ―a. To illustrate that, simply let's apply some of these past years feminists themes to races/ethnics (in fact as indicated in posts above, some of the video posted by OP do just that and have been debunked): what if we started saying to minorities like blacks or browns, that they should change sidewalk because an old women with a bag is afraid of being stolen her bag, and that because some women (even though men are victims too, but feminism only goes one way...) have been stolen their bag or mug once, all women especially white women are victims, then equating that to rape/abuse equivalent, and that all black, brown, asian men should be pointed for maintaining a "culture of aggression"? This is what feminism is doing.
Knowing other women who have been real victims of abuse, rape or tentative of, none of them posted a "metoo" hashtag because like me, they can differentiate when having face true fear, and they feel silenced, misrepresented and stolen of their trauma by this hashtag. As for men, well this will have teached them nothing but frustration, anger and will reinforce the misery thus violence. Finally for women, the impact this risk of having, especially with the slow wave of defamation lawsuits staking in tribunals, but also mistrust and fear from institutions, corporations and industries for which competition, sourcing or management problems are become ridiculous compared to the risk of having a fake accusation, is terrible consequences, especially for women (and men) that will be real victims of tentative or rape/abuse/violence.
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"equality shift toward women over men" there's no such things.
You're the one who said it.
Equality, wether it's in an equation or in a weight balance, is not symbolised by equating two different entities until they are exactly the same but by the = sign or the balancing pole in between. Which means one same and single right, consideration and treatment for everyone, be it male or female (I say that not to get into genders, because then there's no really such thing as "women" and "men" as social entities regarding a same right as humains)
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. But I'm pretty sure "equality" means equality.
Also there is no such thing as "privileges" whether active or passive when we are talking of NOT being advantaged in a certain way. Men NOT being harassed is not a privileged, rather women being harassed IS a hindrance. On the other hand women never having to approach, act, seduce, convince, be judged etc...by men is a privilege.
Dude, what the fuck are you saying?
Is a worthless problem compared to rape, violent aggression, abuse/pedophilia, hunger and violent death, poverty/unemployment, or misery in different forms which impact way more men in different ways, as well as women who would never complain about such thing.
So you did it again. Literally the exact thing we were just talking about. Pointing out one wrong thing does not invalidate all other struggles. Am I bashing on you right now for not talking about Puerto Rico?
It is a minor problem however, mainly for the fact that in most case, men do not approach women as people human, but as physical sexual prospect, and sometime in dismissive or insulting way. Okay, let's say we have to fix the problem: first we have to know it's origin.
Exactly. We shouldn't be telling young girls how to dress to protect themselves, we should be telling young boys not to rape. We aren't wild animals.
Women have to do none of that while men have to: this is the basic definition of inequality and it actually starts having names: relational, social and sexual inequality or misery. If we had equality in those domains, therefor fixed these problems, there would be no more harassement, there wouldn't even be the need or idea to.
So who are you blaming, here?
We could go deeper, for exemple about the topic of fear: knowing something about trauma, and my reaction to certain things, I can tell you there's a difference between instinctive fear/mistrust, and paranoid, if not discriminatory or racist paranoΓ―a. To illustrate that, simply let's apply some of these past years feminists themes to races/ethnics (in fact as indicated in posts above, some of the video posted by OP do just that and have been debunked): what if we started saying to minorities like blacks or browns, that they should change sidewalk because an old women with a bag is afraid of being stolen her bag, and that because some women (even though men are victims too, but feminism only goes one way...) have been stolen their bag or mug once, all women especially white women are victims, then equating that to rape/abuse equivalent, and that all black, brown, asian men should be pointed for maintaining a "culture of aggression"? This is what feminism is doing.
What? I don't even understand this level of equivalence. You just drew that line based on some racist guy who made a feminism video. For someone who doesn't want to be generalized, you sure seem to be doing a lot of it yourself. Yes, white feminism is problematic and my major beef with the movement.
Knowing other women who have been real victims of abuse, rape or tentative of, none of them posted a "metoo" hashtag because like me, they can differentiate when having face true fear, and they feel silenced, misrepresented and stolen of their trauma by this hashtag.
Okay, so what does it serve for you to try and put down the people that do? Catharsis is found in many different ways, you shouldn't assume to dictate the terms to other victims just because you have also suffered abuse.
As for men, well this will have teached them nothing but frustration, anger and will reinforce the misery thus violence.
Because they've been completely harmless up until this point.
Finally for women, the impact this risk of having, especially with the slow wave of defamation lawsuits staking in tribunals, but also mistrust and fear from institutions, corporations and industries for which competition, sourcing or management problems are become ridiculous compared to the risk of having a fake accusation, is terrible consequences, especially for women (and men) that will be real victims of tentative or rape/abuse/violence.
This is exactly how it already is. It's quite obvious that more people are speaking up about it now than ever before, so I don't know how you came to such a conclusion. Are you implying that it was better before simply because we didn't hear the outcry? Think about that.
Edit: How do you own over 6,500 games, yet you've never fired up CK II?!?!?
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And why hasn't this topic been deleted like the other? Is SG advocating for male/child abuse and rape?
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And why hasn't this topic been deleted like the other?
Because we allow discussions to continue as long as they remain (at least fundamentally) civil. This is why your own posts have not yet drawn a suspension. Every time you start raging at someone, you manage to regain some semblance of self-control shortly thereafter. Consider this a warning that you should take time to calm down before posting your responses.
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This is exactly my way of expressing myself, though my goal is solely to provoke rational, but backed and straight-up argumentation, for the same purpose of making the topic and solution advance.
However that doesn't change the fact that this OP is listing fictional video posted as being fact, and proven biased and straight-up racist videos.
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...my goal is solely to provoke rational, but backed and straight-up argumentation,
Provoking rational, civil discourse through verbal abuse and blue language? That would seem counter-productive. If you disagree with the evidence someone else provides, debate it.
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This is not verbal abuse, but this indeed blue language and thank god people, writers or anyone are free of using it. But this is actually not counter-productive when confronted with someone who's too hypocrite to address arguments instead of deflecting or manipulating.
As for evidence, I provided clear evidence that the video I mention are either fictional or racist, why are they still in OP?
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While the videos are clearly staged and/or edited, that does not prevent them from being referenced for the sake of background. They stand as they are. If claims have been made regarding those videos, such claims are open to debate. For example, you claim the videos are racist. I have viewed all of them, carefully, and have found nothing to support that claim. At such time as that changes, or if another Mod notices something I have not, then the issue will be revisited as is appropriate.
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So maybe you're an advocator of racism, but I think that in the SG chart (and in the law) it's still not acceptable: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/01/360422087/hollaback-video-calls-out-catcallers-but-cuts-out-white-men
I'm not talking about all videos, even though they probably are biased and disputable, but this one is actually confirmed by it's actor as being racially oriented.
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Racial orientation =/= racism.
Also, if your English and critical reading skills are of sufficient level, you may notice that the article you cite undermines your argument.
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So yeah you're definitely racist, because articles calling out this video, the creator of the video itself, and the argument are unmistakable.
So I'll know from now on that SG as a racist oriented moderation, though oddly SJW. Not that shocking given other posts, but good to know.
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Sorry for replying so late to this comment, was just going through this thread for kicks and just found it now.
"Because we allow discussions to continue as long as they remain (at least fundamentally) civil."- While I don't agree with what Notabene is saying, I don't think you can really make this statement. You guys closed one of my threads last month that remained completely civil in both content and in discussion, thus it was definitely "at least fundamentally" civil; so I can't see how that statement holds any truth.
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Your thread was closed for a specific reason that was unrelated to whether or not the discussion within it was considered "civil." My statement stands.
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"Because we allow discussions to continue as long as they remain (at least fundamentally) civil... EXCEPT..."
Maybe my salt about it is making me blind, but this exception makes your statement pretty weak, no?
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He just told you that it was closed for an unrelated reason.
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Considering the difference of topic in Notabene's criticism and Khalaq's statement (specific sexism versus general user civility), the statement was presented as a rule to negate the validity of the criticism. To paraphrase- "we leave threads/discussions alone if they remain civil" (and obviously follow the guidelines).
I'm presenting an exception that makes that statement not really valid, at least not in the way it's been presented in the exchange.
But yeah thanks for the input(...?) I guess. I'm aware of what he said, I replied to it!
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I thought I explained things clearly, but perhaps I did not. I will try, again.
"Because we allow discussions to continue as long as they remain (at least fundamentally) civil. "
(General rule, applicable unless special circumstances dictate otherwise.)
"While we aim to allow the free flowing of ideas, ... it has come to our attention that the recent events have gotten out of control. Therefore, ... we have decided to close this thread. "
(Repetition of general rule, mention of special circumstances, and exceptional action taken.)
As life is full of exceptional circumstances, general rules are sometimes inadequate or unjust in their application and exceptional action must be taken to address such an event.
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Also I reported this topic for posting proven racist (the NY and UK ones) and fake (the french one) video about street harassment.
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This isn't fake but this video
Is contradicting. The photographer is probably a street photographer for his job and he gets bashed for it because the woman feels threatened... however, she and her crew are literally filing him and the people on the street without their permission. What about the men and woman filmed they are harassed. Also the people staring are probably wondering why they are filming and who the hell she is.
Also those videos are fake because they hire actors foe these "social experiments." They have been given scripts and it has been edited in a way to show all the "harassment" she gets. It lacks ecological validity as there is only one girl used, it's only in New York etc, they don't show her in high public areas such as shopping malls and a man was no used in the same streets to show how he was treated. It's poorly done experiments that aren't scientific. If the OP wants to film these incidents along with others maybe it might prove the validity of the issue at hand.
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It's not contradicting. Photographer was walking before her and camera was hidden in a bag / backpack. You really didn't think he was walking for 10 hours backwards with huge camera and flash lights? As for the faces of other people they should be blurred. It has nothing to do with point of the video per se, they weren't harassed. but their privacy could be compromised. Harassing - to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct. People on the video that walked past them weren't either verbally or physically threatened.
It'd be fake it they'd hire people to catcall women in videos, record this and post it is as a "proof". Not that they hired someone to walk around and record it.... Would you want to watch 10 hours of video (36000s) where someone catcalls her on average every 360s? Well in fact it means that she could be catcalled 10x in a row, and then walk for an hour without single incident. That's why they show only when she was harassed. You know how boring and pointless scientific articles would be if they'd post all data, even completely unrelevant? In fact it's first step of data processing, you focus on important facts / factors and dismiss everything else. So when you try to check connection between tree trunks diameter and forest age you measure diameter, note tree species, look for historical info regarding forest origin. You dismiss info how long it took you to gather data (well you'd have to write it if it'd take ages to collect it), weather during measurements, distance you walked etc. So there is nothing wrong from experimental side of this video.
Catcalling is mostly visible outside, on the streets, in big cities. So why anyone would gather data in shopping mall in small city in the winter? That'd be terribly bad planned experiment.
It's like saying police provocations are fake and criminals are innocent, as it was all recorded and set up by the police. It's not that criminals wouldn't commit crime without undercover agent. They would do this either way, only with police provocation they messed up and get caught.
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Well I didn't notice the camera was hidden but even still it's quite easily seen. The man filming the woman was creating an unpleasant atmosphere for the general public by filming them all secretly in there daily lives. Its creepy and what if there were kids around. Plus she made a scene and was invading this photographer's personal space and was creating a hostile environment for this poor man. The victim was holding two DSLR cameras so I'm assuming it was his job. The general public may have thought this situation would get violent therefore creating an unsettling feeling.
This is a noteworthy read by an expert on the New York video
60% of the video was filmed on one street with one woman. Why didn't they do it on multiple streets with multiple girls? That video jusy isn't scientifically valid in the slightest. I can't take it seriously. I'd love to see a journal article about this with expert opinion and factual and reliable data.
I didn't mean to upload the whole 10 hours but why is there no clips of her walking past men in suits, other women, the elderly etx. They are posting on one street with snippets of clips to get views. There should have at least been 5 girls going down the MANY other streets of New York. 60% on the one street...
I mentioned the mall because that is a public area just like the streets. I didn't mention seasons. I'm speaking of situational areas where it could occur.
These people an not experts though so don't compare them to authorities such as the police. "Secret Documentaries" are just as bad as the YouTube social experiments you see on issues just like this one.
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The first video, is an acted and scenarised video (literally says "short movie") posted alongside video that have been proven or uncovered to be racist propaganda https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av4qjk/catcalling-viral-video-racist-twir-131
The author of the video even then declared he cut all white people from the video.
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how do u report i would allso likw to report this thread for a few resons
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Go to support, click user report and type the name of the user in question then copy and paste your thread along with why you seem it inappropriate.
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That's real classy, SK, encouraging and teaching people how to submit illegitimate reports to an already overburdened support team.
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Reports are subjective... It's not my fault there aren't enough members of staff to cover the tickets.
I'm literally only helping a member to work the mechanics of the site. What's the issue?
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::blink, blink:: I'm just helping someone understand how it works ^^ tehehe no vendetta here tehehe ...
Being coy about trying to undermine Mully's thread doesn't become you. If you want to have others do your dirty work, at least have the self-respect to be honest about it.
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Well no. I'll admit I dislike the OP. However...
If you look above I'm having a discussion on the videos. When I hit send. I seen the comment and replied to it. If it wasn't me to comment it would have been someone else. Don't know why it's an issue. I've helped him now and in the future to report people.
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Yeah it's stupid. Genuinely just wanted to help. It's just cause there was past drama with the OP so people get defensive over her.
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I have no problem with her, I disagree and I think this is ruining SG like every communities that have been destroyed by SJWs, but that's the not the problem here: she's posting fake and racist videos to back a dubious point.
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Seriously? Harassing the poster of a harassment-awareness thread?
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Yes it's call being on the rational and sane side like most people, she's posting fake and racist video to back a dubious point that I, as an actual victim of abuse, don't care about.
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Oh shit that might shut up that drone. Well either that or you'll get a reply of a link that conveniently ignores your points.
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Some girls in my class called me gay cuz i can't careless about them and their romance bullshit, i just care about games atm. There's alot of girls WANT to be catcalled since it's their reason for putting on make up and those girls outnumber girls like op greatly.
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So how do you differentiate from the women that "want" to be cat-called and those women that don't? How about you can't so don't do it!
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So in your opinion, catcalling women on the street is an appropriate behavior? I think you missed the point, Daniel.
Let's take holding the door for a woman as an example - some women like it and others don't - BUT holding the door for a woman (or a man or a child), is considered polite behavior. If the woman you hold the door for doesn't like it, that's on them. With catcalling, that's on you.... or did logic (actually it isn't logic, it's basic manners), just die and become a tangled ball of twine?
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"I don't give a damn about what you may think is polite or not."
Clearly since you just made a sexual innuendo about the advice I gave Mully and turned it into "women should be on their knees servicing you without question". You are seriously one fucked up guy if you can't tell the difference between cat-calling a woman and holding the door for her (or anyone for that matter).
As to being called a slut in the bedroom and being treated like one on the street (or here on SG), there's a little thing called mutual consent. I suggest that sooner or later you're gonna run into a woman that knows the difference IRL and she's gonna make sure you know the difference when you get to jail. Good luck with that and have a nice life.
btw, no need to respond - I already know more about you than I ever wanted to....
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It's not natural order, it's agreement that work for you both. But doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone else. In fact in less and less places it's acceptable "norm", as normally both partners work and they should share domestic duties.
I don't want to be on someone's else dependant, I don't need to spend money on unnecessary (IMO) clothes and I wouldn't surely agree on relationship where I'd have to do all the cleaning and cooking and my partner would belly up in front of TV. It's mindset that has root in the middle of previous century, and our civilization should move on long ago. Sadly in some places it's still common (like in Poland where I live) but it will change in time.
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Frankly Daniel, I feel sorry that you (and apparently your GF) look at other people. Unless it's a mutual kink and you both decide it's cool that you both do it - and heck, bring them home too. I'm open to however each individual couple decides to live their lives. But from what I can tell you are NOT open - you seem to be stating that women are the lesser sex in life, money, the house, work and in society in general - and that is my issue with you. You're a stone-age troll pretending to be a modern man when in fact you think all women want to be dragged by their hair to your cave so she can service you with food and sex and laundry duties.
I'm glad you found such a woman but have a care... we grow up and find adult pursuits and tend to leave cavemen like you to pursue them and tend to find "gentlemen" that want to consider us as people in our own right. Just sayin'. I tend to think you'll look back at this comment and wonder how I could be so prescient.... You may contact me in 10 years (if I'm still kicking around and playing video games). But otherwise, have a nice life and stop responding. You're never going to win in this battle - I am way too old and way beyond your comprehension.
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I think you still completely missed the point of this thread, Daniel. Women really don't want to be treated like pieces of meat or sex objects. You also missed the point about women actively deciding to stay home and raise their children. In THIS day and age, plenty of men find the act of raising their children to be super satisfying as well - raising children isn't confined to a particular sex (though in your world view that seems to be an anathema) .
The reason why more women decided to forego their careers to raise the kids was purely monetary - men earned more money. That is changing, albeit slowly due to asswipes like you insisting that men are ostensibly better at working than women. But the old boy network is dying.... and women are going to college, getting better paying jobs and suddenly the choice of who stays home to raise the kids is a "discussion" that many families are having. Clearly not yours - you could be cleaning toilets while she's a lawyer but your inflated ego wouldn't let her go to work while you raised the kids.
Yanno, you're too stupid for me to be wasting any more of my time on. This is NOT about man bashing - it's about a certain portion of the population treating another portion like they have less value. Clearly you are never going to get it no matter how many different ways it's explained to you. To me, you're too stupid to get it - ever. So just stop communicating with me.
And I will write to support again about your "slut" commentary and your insistence on bashing this thread - it might take a few times but eventually I hope they will perma-ban you.
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Not sure if this mouth-breather will ever understand your points Momo but I salute your patience!
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My jaw is just dropping at how well you're handling business here.
You sent this kid home with his balls in a paper sack, haha.
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I'd feel better if I finally convinced him to treat women like they were human beings and equal to himself - but that has a snowballs chance in hell. But thanks for the compliment :-)
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I'm not as optimistic (or as nice) as you, so I'd settle for castration so he cannot pass on his "wisdom" to another generation.
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Well, to be fair, not every child takes up the flag of their parental units...
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I've never catcall a woman, to the point that they question my interest lol. I'm sorry if you are experiencing this and i'm also sorry to say that it's probably wont change anything even if you protest since those women greatly outnumber you guys.
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Bump, and sorry you have to go through shit like that.
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Maybe find a kink site to post your viewpoint on instead of here? Seriously dude, this but here isn't the place to express it.
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Aaaa didn't recognize you due to avatar change :D
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Really? You turned being pepper sprayed by a woman into some kind of sexual, knky thing....what part of "go tell it to your dominatrix" was missing the point?
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When you got pepper sprayed, it can leave a burning sensation on your skin, that why I said 'that hawt' I am sorry that my comment is so offended to you. I did not know if you were abused or traumatized by men that it makes you feel like all men out there try to get you. Not all men are bad but again, I am sorry and I hope you and other women that affected by my comment forgive me.
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so Urban Dictionary defines hawt as meaning sexy or attractive.
Let's see where your meaning went awry;
1) "I would love to be pepper sprayed by you"
2) "that hawt"
In the context of your first comment, the second is definitely trending towards "I have a "thing" about being pepper sprayed - I think it's hawt"....
So yeah, like most women, I have plenty of negative experiences with men. but in this case, I was simply pointing out that your comments sounded like some kinky sex thing. Kapish?
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Sigh, so many, many negative comments in this thread. Hey, if you're not an ass, good for you. But that doesn't change what a lot of women experience in their daily lives. I just don't get how it's so difficult for men to get how different women's lives are from theirs? My ex-husband used to down-play my negative work experiences and frankly, that hurt worse than being treated badly at work because I was a woman.
As to the MeToo campaign, yeah, I could join that - the whole "let's get her drunk and see what happens" - ben there, dan that. The whole, let's intimidate her at work when she's left in charge and "that guy" didn't like it - yeah, being hit with his toothbrush on my shoulder bone and then being backed into my office by a screaming, threatening man when I called him on his crappy behavior.... -ben there, dan that. Shall I go on? I don't get cat-called any more because I'm old but I DO remember plenty of those incidents. I also remember walking around with my apartment keys held between my fingers so I'd have some kind of weapon.
Listen, I am a fairly reasonable human being, but this crap has got to stop. So even if you aren't part of the problem, you can be part of the solution. Even if it's in small ways like reading the various posts about this subject with an open mind. Awareness is huge...
Ok, old Momo over and out - be kind to all of your fellow human beings. We're all in this together :-)
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WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE MEN
"I mean seriously, I don't even get to tell my favorite jokes anymore! The HUMANITY!"
so here is an advise take the compliments, shut your mouths and enjoy that someone finds you good looking.
My advice is that you're really good looking and should go fuck yourself. Learn to take the compliment ;D
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thanks for the nice words, good to wake up with posts like this β€οΈοΈ
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Hey Mully,
As my mother used to tell me, "Keep your chin up". It's been good advice in the face of a lot of crappy behavior. She had her own share of "incidents"....but it's not my story to tell.
{Momo hugs}
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Just to be clear, I reported your comment to support. Clearly you are one of the guys who need to clean up their act .I suggest that "creep" might be too mild a term for someone like you. Good luck with your life but I am done speaking in any kind of civil manner with you.
Also - it's spelled advice - not advise :-p
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He also has a VAC ban and a private profile. Surprise surprise.
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Yeah, this is probably an old account that he uses as sock puppet to say what whatever he wants without fear of his current, active account being "tarnished".
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So the concept of "women should know their place - barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" - is your credo? Good luck with that since it is not 1950 anymore. And yes, a zero gifts given and zero gifts won indicates a sock-puppet account... But then you seem to be a sock-puppet for this Gavin guy anyway so I'd expect nothing less. I'd say something about your love/adoration for the guy but that would be highly inappropriate considering the circumstances. Perhaps I could suggest that you take back your brain and consider the world as it stands on 2017? Yeah, I thought not.... here, have some Kool-aid instead. Oh and please stop contacting me. I really don't like speaking with "groupees".
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"True happiness" with a cave such as you? Thanks but I am happily married to a man that values my brain as much as he values all the earthly pleasures we share. He's willing to do the laundry and the cooking as much as I am. I'll admit he isn't good at cleaning the house as I am but his mother never felt the need to teach him - 1950's yada... We share the household bills and both make a good living and we both decide on large purchases equally because we are equal. You're a throwback to a time that is past and once your "woman" figures out that she is an adult she'll find some guy that treats her like one - not some shadow of your ego.
Seriously go live with your beloved Gavin - you'll be happier that way :-p
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Also it is cooking - not cocking. In many species, the men raise the children - there is no such thing as "nature" when it comes to raising human children except that children are better off when BOTH parents (male/female, female/female, male/male) raise them. It's basic economics - two parents provide more support. Absolutely nothing denotes which parent is better at staying home and doing the day-to-day care.
And plenty of children thrive perfectly well in the care of paid child-care as long as their parents are actively involved in their lives. Trust me - in 1950 and ages beyond this, plenty of children were raised by surrogates (albeit mostly women cause yanno it was a job they could actually get due to male oppression but you can't be bothered to read anything except Gavin so you wouldn't have a real perspective).
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Support doesn't delete comments.
Also no one will explain you basics of netiquete. When you start personal attacks due to lack of arguments like shut your mouths and enjoy that someone finds you good looking or write vulgar "jokes" it means you need vacations to temper you. Internet is not elementary school where you learn that you need to say thank you and you're welcome.
Those are not SG rules. Those are general rules you should follow on general basic when you use internet and write posts here.
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It wasn't because I am a "woman" - I am a human being. Try to get that.
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The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left by Dinesh D'Souza
https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American/dp/1621573486
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Good on you Mully. It takes a lot of guts to put yourself out there like this. I hope your message gets through to a few people.
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I have never understood the pathetic and needy mentality of the people(OK, men for 99.99etc%) who do this. I, nor anyone who is a friend, would ever DREAM of doing this to a woman.....however, we would definitely do it to each other in VERY public places cos we have a shared twisted sense of humour!!!
Seriously though....what drives the need to do this?? What do they get out of it? SURELY they know that it's NOT a "compliment" or "harmless fun"....right? So if they do know the effect it has on the stranger just going about their business, they MUST be doing it for some power trip or whatever.
Recently, I surprised a longstanding female friend of mine....by saying, "ouch....that's REALLY bad", when she verbally pointed out a guy we both "know" in the pub/bar sense of "know" and said, "he's really creepy".
I turned to her and said, "from what I know of how women use the word 'creepy', it's pretty much the worst/most powerful word a woman can use to describe a man without inferring something actual criminal". I then told her that I would be absolutely horrified to find out that a woman had used that word to describe me, knowing what I do about the meaning of the word to a woman.
She agreed with me about her OWN use of the word and said she couldn't think of a worse way to describe a man, meaning that she would not want to be close to, never mind alone with, someone she called creepy. She then went on to say....see the point is coming....that some men could slightly negate wolf-whistles and, "hello darlin" etc with a cheeky smile(she did stress they had to be of a certain look to achieve this quasi-free pass, by being both attractive and friendly looking) but that MOST men, esp. those who didn't possibly have their immature age as a slightly mitigating circumstance, just came across as a Premier League Creep!!!
If somehow this could be gotten across to men who leer at, cat-call(why is it called a cat-call?), wolf-whistle, shout a minor sexual greeting("hello darlin" etc) or much WORSE actually go to follow a woman in the street just what impression of themselves they gave to the woman in question, I think they would, in the main, never do it again.....
As for stopping it or telling someone not to do it.....as I said, I am SURE no friend of mine would do it, and I don't know that another man challenging the dick would necessarily be a good thing. I'm a big bloke and it would not bother me to do so, and I would far from home...BUT only so long as the woman was ALSO far from home, otherwise said dick may escalate his behaviour next time he sees her I'm not around and I would therefore be making it worse for her.
I totally agree with you about people who blame the victim, tell them it's a compliment and they should take it as such(and I have heard that said SEVERAL times, all of them by a woman professing to wish they had been singled out for such "praise"); the only person's opinion in this circumstance that matters is the target. IF they happen to be fine about it, that's lucky but no-one else should express their opinion about how to react to it. This links to what you said about it happening to men - you're right, it's the same in one way, that it's uninvited, but it's NOT really a man's issue...unless it's a group of women on a hen night....then run!!!
And it's not a rant, not offensive to men and to me seems a perfectly appropriate topic to discuss if it's, as it obviously is, something that matters to you and that you see as something that needs an attitude change, so good on you!!!
** May I offer some advice.....may NOT be relevant, but....maybe don't admit in writing to having pepper sprayed someone. I obv. have no idea which country you live in, but here(UK) you could end up being the one on the wrong end of the law if some stupid insensitive macho plod decided to make an issue of it. Personally, I would say, "nice one"....except that would be encouraging criminal acts, and I could NEVER do something so heinous, right??
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see, that's what i don't get. if people don't do this, then why they feel so offended like people in previous pages, attacking me and dismissing everything that happens?
honestly i don't get it unless it's a way to feel better by making others feel as miserable as they are.
for example, racism doesn't affect me at all, but i know the problem is there and how it stresses and puts others in real danger. i can't deny or ignore it, it's just stupid and selfish.
well, whatever. i put all the info in the opening post and also replied several times giving more insight on the situation and my bad experiences. people will be blind if they don't wanna open their eyes. β(γ)β
thanks for the reply! π
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np - and you're right....no matter how well you phrase things or structure an argument, some people just wont get it and some people just wont WANT to get it.
Have a nice Sunday
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Oh, and I forgot to add...I think it's a good think that you created this thread. Not only are you able to discuss something that is really bothering you with a group of people to whom you already have some kind of connection / commonality(gaming), but you're also able to do so without it involving people you meet in every day life...if that would have been a problem.
And I also think that in turn that might nudge someone else into doing so with their issue, as I think a number of very big threads(in length terms, not some importance pecking order) have probably done for people in the past; that sense of distance might male it easier for some to share on here than maybe on FB or via 47 tweets!! And remember what I said about the spray, if it is relevant to where you live.
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Capitalization is a waste of time......in which sense?
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Starting a sentence..agreed, as the full stop preceding it denotes what comes next starts a new sentence, but how about proper nouns?
Especially when you have people called Teapot and Ankle....???
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heh, it was a joke about me because i rarely capitalize words in forums or chats. π
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Bump, and I really hope things will get better. :-)
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So why are mods letting proven fake, and most importantly racist videos posted by OP?
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This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W7EmM9Pg38&feature=youtu.be
is a fake (well short movie) video, not a real thing.
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A&feature=youtu.be
Was call-out and the author confessed it was cut to be racist oriented: http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/01/360422087/hollaback-video-calls-out-catcallers-but-cuts-out-white-men
In fact most street harassement video have been either highly suspected of being fake or proven so, and most of them are proven to be voluntarily racially biased.
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So what, works of fiction can't helpfully illustrate real-life issues? Do you write off books like To Kill A Mockingbird's critique of racism as illegitimate, too, because they the incidents it depicts are fictional?
And how convenient that you turn out to be racially sensitive when it suits you. Yes, feminists, like all human beings, can be racists, too--so what? This was an issue with the Women's March, too. Does that make street harassment somehow OK or somehow less of a problem?
But then, you don't really care about racial justice or getting an accurate picture of sexism--you're just trying to undermine this thread. Go be a bully somewhere else.
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They are (bad) work of fiction, and that's exactly what nazism/communism or any other ideological propaganda does. Not everyone has the talent of Robert Mulligan.
Again and again, it's not a question of wether feminists can be racist, but wether the overall ideology today serves racism and also sexism more than it serves equality.
That's what most people criticise about it. And calling me a bully doesn't even start to have a legitimacy given how SJW incarnations are the most dangerous soft-fascistic movement that we've been use to expect to resort to ad-hominem, verbal abuse, rationalisation twisting and straight-up censorship to silence any differing opinions.
I also noted you didn't address the racist "street harassment" video probably because like many SJWs you're actually an enabler of racism...Go be an hypocrite somewhere else.
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Most who sexually harass don't game or use internet other than Facebook/instagram. So they'll never read any of this. People who actually game and do that are currently laughing at home and saying "fucking slut thinks she can go out of the kitchen."
The few who agree with you don't have such friends and even if they do, their friends will just laugh at their faces instead of thinking about it.
And for the record. Before anyone speaks bs. Feminism will never change that. Especially the current femenists which don't even know what's feminism.
Only way this to be change is a law in every country against sexual harrasment, which actually exists... BUT There are not enough cops to enforce it and even if there was a lot of them actually sexually harass themselves (at least in my country).
Plus this is a double way issue. There's literally no peaceful solution. Humans will be humans. Some will be stupid and sexist and see the other gender as a piece of meat. Others will be great people and gentle and respect others. Third will be me and just not give a fly, about this...
I'm sorry to hear about your issue Mully. I understand it's hard, I get that type of BS over both internet and streets pretty often too, from both genders.
I know my post is totally random and pointless, but hey. It's me after all. I love to do such posts >.>
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Son. When you see me writing this much and it's not a part of my fiction, then you know shite got real.
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Because I'm tired of getting catcalled and watching others in the street receive the same treatment, I decided to share some information with everyone in SG hoping that they can stop doing it and/or talk to their friends to make them reconsider their behavior.
Street harassment is unwanted and unwelcomed public attention, most often directed at women, which is demeaning and damaging. Itβs not a private matter but one that should concern everyone.
If you have trouble empathising with strangers, then think about your mother, sister, or girlfriend. Would you enjoy watching people catcalling and telling them nasty things? How do you think they would feel about it?
On an average day I go out twice and I get at least one guaranteed catcall. On weekends or when I go out, for example to a club, it gets worse because groups of people feel more empowered to do so.
A few months ago I was walking with a friend and one guy said things and started to follow us. After a while it ended with me turning around and pepper-spraying his face, then running away in case he could fight back. This is the kind of violence it generates.
We had a rough rest of the day and were shaken up. I didn't enjoy doing that at all, but he had to be stopped. I also like to think the guy didn't enjoy it either.
So in the end, what did he achieve? Nothing.
Edit
OK, I'm gonna clear this up since some people like to assume things just to blame me for defending myself.
For the backward people, this was in june when I wasn't wearing "provocative shorts and t-shirts" clothes. These are the "nice compliments" I got amongst others i don't even want to repeat here and/or I want to forget:
hey girl nice butt
does your friend wanna F with me too?
hey reply bitch
come here lesbos!
GONNA EAT YOUR ASS
Walked one block with that guy which was 1 meter away from us. He wasn't shouting from the other side of the street, he wasn't half a block away, he wasn't sitting in the sidewalk. He was right behind us.
He got warned to leave us alone during the whole 1-block fast-paced walk. I didn't stop to "discuss" because I'm not a 1.9 meters 120kg guy, so I'm not putting my friend and I at risk at 8:30pm in the street.
You read the "You're not alone" thread?
Well, most of the stuff that I shared about me is linked directly to an experience related to this, but I wasn't walking with a friend and there were two guys instead of one following me. You can guess what happened next since I wasn't able to defend myself.
But of course, street harassment is harmless and nothing else can go wrong, nor it can trigger unhappy memories from past experiences.
Think a bit before judging others so quickly assuming they overreact when they feel in danger.~
I know I probably won't convince anyone catcalling to stop by posting this (it doesn't hurt to try), but if your friends or co-workers do it, you can persuade or talk to them and see if they get it. There's nothing worse than being in a group of friends and allowing them to act like idiots.
It's disgusting and demeaning, stop it. You're hurting people with your actions and makes you look like a fool.
β€οΈοΈ FAQ, in case you're gonna post one of these comments I get all the time.
- But some women like to be catcalled!
Yes, there's also men that like to get hit in the face with a hammer. So using the same logic, I should go out and hit all men with a hammer in hopes they enjoy it?
- Don't be so sensitive, ignore it.
No, it reaches a point it can't be ignored. It's not an isolated issue once per month or in certain situations so you can avoid it. It also affects me a lot depending on my mood, so when you feel like crap and you get catcalled, things get worse.
- So you want others to come to your rescue when some stranger catcalls you? That will end up with me getting in a fight!
I'm not asking people to fight for me, just them to stop doing it, spread the word, and discourage people in their group of friends from being disrespectful.
- If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
1: Don't blame the victim.
2: I dress as I please. It's my body, not someone else's.
3: It doesn't matter if it's winter and I'm wearing a jacket, or summer with shorts and a t-shirt. Some people will be idiots anyway and say things.
- I bet you like it when a handsome guy catcalls you!
Irrelevant. I expect respect from everyone.
- What about men? They also get harassed!
I'm very aware guys also get harassed by both men and women, but this thread is about girls. Feel free to create another thread for that issue, and I will support it.
- So this is just a misandrist rant!
It's not. If you feel targeted by anything I said, then it's not because you're a man, it's because you actions ressemble what it's said here.
- Meh, it could be worse.
It could be worse, but it SHOULD be better. Also, normalizing this behavior makes it even more painful for victims.
- Women also catcall!
I never said they don't, but for each woman that catcalls me, i get 500 guys. So the issue at hand is the one I shared.
- This thread offends me!
That tells a lot about you. Log off, take your time, and think about it.
- This thread is inappropriate for SG, please close and delete it!
Go tell that to all other threads about awareness, politics, religion, sports, disasters, etc.
π Some info and articles:
Stop Street Harassment
Wikipedia definition
Documenting women's stories of street harassment
Why we need to take street harassment seriously
Dutch woman faces down her catcallers by posting selfies with them
π Videos:
Au bout de la rue (Court-mΓ©trage) - france
10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman - usa
Woman is filmed walking London's streets for secret documentary - uk
Male actor dresses as woman to experience sexual harassment - egypt
Sons React to Their Moms Getting Catcalled - usa
π And some pictures:
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