Capitalization is a waste of time
Grew up in a small enough town, knew it happened but never seen it first hand. Sure enough, first year I was in college I get landed with one of these apes as a roommate. Blows my tiny little mind any time I remember some of the things he said and did. I could never wrap my head around it.
That, and my 2 best friends in college were women and some of the things they told me about what they put up with on their walks home were really disappointing.
Not to be all doom and gloom but is it possible to stop it? Just because guys like that seem to be friends with like minded people, for good reason.
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I think that the problem is a little bit bigger than just that.
We are people - and we label, judge and "check" other people for all the time. It's fine - just part of our nature.
But for some reason some people are vocal about it.
And they don't even use their brain before opening their mouth.
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Why post this on steamgifts tho, where every user is a massive dweeb who hasn't even seen a girl besides their own mother?
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what's catcalling?
catcall
ΛkatkΙΛl/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: catcalling
make a catcall.
"they were fired for catcalling at women"
this is what google gave me , i dont understand sorry ,
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- But some women like to be catcalled!
Yes, there's also men that like to get hit in the face with a hammer. So using the same logic, I should go out and hit all men with a hammer in hopes they enjoy it?
This is circular reasoning, or at least it seems to be. I guess we'll need a proper, or at least your, definition of catcalling before this discussion can lead anywhere. Not that I expect a discussion judging from previous interactions :)
Edit: Also, point 1 in the FAQ is not a question, but ironically the "answer" is
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it's not circular reasoning at all and it doesn't matter if i want attention or not, just don't give attention to strangers.
you don't know how that person will react, you don't know what's going on in her life. don't bother people in the street, it's that simple.
when in doubt, don't do it
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Completely agree with that. How hard is it to keep your thoughts to yourself? Anyone with half a brain will just think, "wow, that person's attractive" and leave it at that. It's the ones with less than half that who vocalise it. "LADY LOOK GOOD. SPRAY BURN EYES. THUNK SAD THAT LADY LEAVE". Morons.
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I always catcall women who I see. My Dad did it and now I do it too. I do it to my mother and sister and they thank me for acknowledging the time they spent dressing. When im working at mcdonalds and a gorgeous woman walks in the store i always say "You look so fine!" or somthin like that and they smile and usually give me a good tip too. never once have I Had Pepper Spray or anything like this only good has come out of it, so I dont see a point in stopping
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It's all in the expression, posture, voice-tone, you know that there's a difference between a friendly compliment like "Nice clothes", "Nice Hair" and the dirty harassment like "Nice ass", "You're the egg in my packed lunch" (It's a Brazilian catcalling mostly used by masons.
But, if you are the kind that mess with a girl and stalk her for attention, then my message doesn't fit to you.
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I don't know if this happened to the others or not, sometimes i saw some men are ussually catcalled the women even though they dressed appropriately (including my sister). I don't know their motives are, even though i'm male (well my personal thought because the women is beautiful so they just make fun of hers).
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I've had women catcall me, grab my ass in the bar/club especially on the dance floor etc- I never really thought much of it to be honest. So when I first started hearing about 'catcalling awareness', I must admit I was pretty skeptical of it all. I wondered if simply saying 'hello' or smiling at someone you thought was nice or attractive would be considered harassment.
I don't blame victims of any sort, I also teach my kids not to place themselves into avoidably bad situations. For my daughters, that might mean not to walk alone through a bad neighborhood late at night wearing club clothes. For my son, that might mean not walking through that same neighborhood alone late at night with gold chains etc. Is that victim blaming? I don't know, I just think it is better to avoid bad situations altogether than to deal with them.
I don't catcall women, but I have smiled and said hello in passing. Growing up in NYC, 'how you doin' is pretty standard to say to anyone, male or female. So, when I was watching the videos, the message seemed mixed. The first video was done really well and helped get the message across, but a couple of the others didn't make as much sense. In one of the videos, a guy that said 'how are you?' was equated with someone who stalked her for a couple blocks.
Anyway, best of luck with the awareness. For me, it is as simple as teaching my kids to respect others. If everyone taught their kids to respect others, how much better the world might be?
Have a great day!
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I've had plenty of sober women act like that. I've had plenty of awkward advances made, I've been harassed at work.
The point is, all of that never bothered me; but that doesn't mean I think catcalling or any harassment should get a pass no matter what anyone looks like. It took me awhile to think on it, because at first I thought the whole awareness of it was unnecessary and overblown.
To me, when it happened to me- it felt like a compliment. So it took me awhile to understand how women felt on this.
But then I remembered something- guys don't just catcall or harass only women. And if you've ever spent time in the box you'd know what I mean. ^^
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True story:
One time I was in a different neighborhood (far from home one might say) visiting a girl. I went out to get a pie for us around the block at some skeezy pizza joint.
When I paid for it, I pulled a wad of hundred dollar bills out of my pocket and asked it he could break one for me, I needed change for the train home. I had already caught some hoods attention- I was wearing new (expensive) clothes, new (expensive) shoes, gold chain, pager with a cell phone (in the 90's)- in other worlds, it looked like I had money and like an asshole I broadcasted it.
I nearly made it back to the girls place before I was jumped. I managed to fight them off, but my jacket (and bit of my arm) was sliced, I got blood all over my (expensive) clothes, my chain broke, and I dropped the pizza so I could defend. The pizza was still edible, the box never opened, but it was squashed and mangled. Worse of all, I had a big knot on my forehead where I got hit by a club of some sort.
There were dozens of people around, none of them helped. The point is, you have to take care of yourself and it is difficult enough without making it harder on yourself.
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this happened to me as well sometimes (as probably to every woman), my dad has bought me pepper spray when the refugee crisis got out of control. my town is very small, therefore no experiences like that in here, at least. also there's a difference between "hey, I just wanted to tell you that you look fine" and "hey babe nice ass, yo wanna fuck?" also between a friendly smile or a complete "inspection". The first ones are GOOD experiences, compliments are fine, but it depends on >HOW<.
oh and my personal head-shaking moment was when I saw this in german swimming bath: means: no verbal or non-verbal harassment against women in ANY clothes. I mean just what the fuck now we need signs for this !!
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Ahhh one of my favourite perks of being ugly is that people tend to leave you alone.
But even then it still happened to me a couple of times. I wanted to punch the asshole in the face so bad. I don't understand this kinds of people.
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One of the perks of you being an awesome person is you're awesome!
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Men comments are irrelevant, saying that we're committed with the cause by yourself doesn't means nothing for the harassed and abused girls, because they don't know you or another kind men and that's because some monster took away her hope in mankind.
We can't spend our time by thinking why they are doing such thing, we should be educating our children's to respect each other don't matter their sex and we should be punishing harder the people who harass someone. It's obvious, that's why i'm so angry about it, now imagine how the girls are felling about it?
Anyway... Education is a long-term solution, but bullets are faster and i can help you to hide the body.
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only the parents that educate well their sons/daughters can stop that, sry but you have to deal whit it, this it's the society we have in this 21 century, this will never stop in this generations of people.
at least be happy that you are beautiful and people say good things about you, think in the "not beautiful" people that never get a word for someone saying good things.
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Thanks.
I want to add that, yes, men should confront other men who are catcalling. It's a public event, and if I am in public, it is my responsibility to help make it a public experience that is safe for women.
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Odd isn't it? We're having this discussion but the fact is, it's rude. And the thing is it only reinforces gender stereotypes. Men are predators, when that honestly isn't the case. Look it's just stupid, don't be rude. Don't follow people down the street, just don't be a dick. And if you see other people being a dick call them out on it. You want to solve the problem, then it's going to be men that do it rather than women. Unless apparently women start banding together and calling men out in public and shaming the shit out of them. I'd like to avoid that. Mother's and fathers need to point to that shit on the street and tell their kids that's a shitty thing to do. Don't be like that fucking asshole, and if your friend does it, tell him he's being disrespectful. And if he continues then maybe you shouldn't be friends anymore.
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they discuss about it as if i claimed "green is better than blue, prove me wrong". the thing is, there's nothing to argue about.
i posted information and facts so people can get educated, yet some chose to ignore everything (gladly, it's just a minority!). ^^
and it always end up in the same thing:
calling others feminists, because it's obviously wrong they lose their *freedom* to say whatever they want to others,
the classic "learn to take a compliment",
and always examples of women they catcall are grateful <3
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The thing is most of the guys that do this cant change, that is just the way they are, some think that it is funny, especially if they are in group then they feel like they are cool dudes (but honestly they are not), some think that girls like it (well obviously they dont), and some just dont respect women. The funny thing is I had a friend who used to do this (a lot), when I asked him why does he do it, he said: "Ow man cmon, I dont mean anything by it, I am just having fun", as soon as he said that his sister walked by and I immediately catcalled her (yeah I know), he was like wtf dude, then I apologized to her and said to him, the girl you catcalled earlier is probably someone else`s sister mate, then she explained to him how bad it is to be catcalled and how many times she was catcalled and how she felt. From that moment on he never did it again.
Btw a question for girls, sometimes when I go out walk through the city, I sometimes tend to say Hi to some random girls to which they reply Hi and smile back (If I am not wrong that is not catcalling?). To be honest I met my best friend that way, she is like a sister to me now.
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I have read not long ago a young woman that is talking selfies with each of her harrassers, for awareness.
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that's true, and sad, fucking sad
there's just some people that, i don't know, they r just retarded and can't understand how to respect a person. One time I saw some guys in a car moving, passing by a girl and they put their heads out and start whistle and screaming like fucking animals in their primitive state
People will feel attracted by other ones, that'ts a fact, and if they go out they will find someone attractive to them, that's normal, but cmon they just need to keep it to themselves, I honestly can't understand how hard that can be
i'm sorry that you have to deal with that so much, and damn you even had to use pepper spray, i never saw pepper spray in person, so yeah, that for me it's a abnormal situation when people need to carry it to protected themselves, glad you had it with you
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Because I'm tired of getting catcalled and watching others in the street receive the same treatment, I decided to share some information with everyone in SG hoping that they can stop doing it and/or talk to their friends to make them reconsider their behavior.
Street harassment is unwanted and unwelcomed public attention, most often directed at women, which is demeaning and damaging. Itβs not a private matter but one that should concern everyone.
If you have trouble empathising with strangers, then think about your mother, sister, or girlfriend. Would you enjoy watching people catcalling and telling them nasty things? How do you think they would feel about it?
On an average day I go out twice and I get at least one guaranteed catcall. On weekends or when I go out, for example to a club, it gets worse because groups of people feel more empowered to do so.
A few months ago I was walking with a friend and one guy said things and started to follow us. After a while it ended with me turning around and pepper-spraying his face, then running away in case he could fight back. This is the kind of violence it generates.
We had a rough rest of the day and were shaken up. I didn't enjoy doing that at all, but he had to be stopped. I also like to think the guy didn't enjoy it either.
So in the end, what did he achieve? Nothing.
Edit
OK, I'm gonna clear this up since some people like to assume things just to blame me for defending myself.
For the backward people, this was in june when I wasn't wearing "provocative shorts and t-shirts" clothes. These are the "nice compliments" I got amongst others i don't even want to repeat here and/or I want to forget:
hey girl nice butt
does your friend wanna F with me too?
hey reply bitch
come here lesbos!
GONNA EAT YOUR ASS
Walked one block with that guy which was 1 meter away from us. He wasn't shouting from the other side of the street, he wasn't half a block away, he wasn't sitting in the sidewalk. He was right behind us.
He got warned to leave us alone during the whole 1-block fast-paced walk. I didn't stop to "discuss" because I'm not a 1.9 meters 120kg guy, so I'm not putting my friend and I at risk at 8:30pm in the street.
You read the "You're not alone" thread?
Well, most of the stuff that I shared about me is linked directly to an experience related to this, but I wasn't walking with a friend and there were two guys instead of one following me. You can guess what happened next since I wasn't able to defend myself.
But of course, street harassment is harmless and nothing else can go wrong, nor it can trigger unhappy memories from past experiences.
Think a bit before judging others so quickly assuming they overreact when they feel in danger.~
I know I probably won't convince anyone catcalling to stop by posting this (it doesn't hurt to try), but if your friends or co-workers do it, you can persuade or talk to them and see if they get it. There's nothing worse than being in a group of friends and allowing them to act like idiots.
It's disgusting and demeaning, stop it. You're hurting people with your actions and makes you look like a fool.
β€οΈοΈ FAQ, in case you're gonna post one of these comments I get all the time.
- But some women like to be catcalled!
Yes, there's also men that like to get hit in the face with a hammer. So using the same logic, I should go out and hit all men with a hammer in hopes they enjoy it?
- Don't be so sensitive, ignore it.
No, it reaches a point it can't be ignored. It's not an isolated issue once per month or in certain situations so you can avoid it. It also affects me a lot depending on my mood, so when you feel like crap and you get catcalled, things get worse.
- So you want others to come to your rescue when some stranger catcalls you? That will end up with me getting in a fight!
I'm not asking people to fight for me, just them to stop doing it, spread the word, and discourage people in their group of friends from being disrespectful.
- If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
1: Don't blame the victim.
2: I dress as I please. It's my body, not someone else's.
3: It doesn't matter if it's winter and I'm wearing a jacket, or summer with shorts and a t-shirt. Some people will be idiots anyway and say things.
- I bet you like it when a handsome guy catcalls you!
Irrelevant. I expect respect from everyone.
- What about men? They also get harassed!
I'm very aware guys also get harassed by both men and women, but this thread is about girls. Feel free to create another thread for that issue, and I will support it.
- So this is just a misandrist rant!
It's not. If you feel targeted by anything I said, then it's not because you're a man, it's because you actions ressemble what it's said here.
- Meh, it could be worse.
It could be worse, but it SHOULD be better. Also, normalizing this behavior makes it even more painful for victims.
- Women also catcall!
I never said they don't, but for each woman that catcalls me, i get 500 guys. So the issue at hand is the one I shared.
- This thread offends me!
That tells a lot about you. Log off, take your time, and think about it.
- This thread is inappropriate for SG, please close and delete it!
Go tell that to all other threads about awareness, politics, religion, sports, disasters, etc.
π Some info and articles:
Stop Street Harassment
Wikipedia definition
Documenting women's stories of street harassment
Why we need to take street harassment seriously
Dutch woman faces down her catcallers by posting selfies with them
π Videos:
Au bout de la rue (Court-mΓ©trage) - france
10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman - usa
Woman is filmed walking London's streets for secret documentary - uk
Male actor dresses as woman to experience sexual harassment - egypt
Sons React to Their Moms Getting Catcalled - usa
π And some pictures:
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