Capitalization is a waste of time
We still have a long way to go for this to stop, sadly. We humans are dumb like that. Threads like this one are helpful though, helping to spread information so people are aware, good job.
Also every girl should have pepper spay as well :P
Have a non-harassing bump
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I'm not sure it's that widespread but certainly can understand how devastating its effects can be (though I've never done it myself).
I really hate those shameless people who think they can shit on everyone else and get away with it.
I hope things get better for you Mully, and for every person suffering from harassment.
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My sister spent a year and a half in a non-touristy area in Europe. (We're from the US, mostly suburban.) She said she got catcalled all the time.
But I think the root of the problem is deeper than disrespect for women. People generally are thoughtless and selfish when they think they can get away with it, period. Anonymity, groupthink, herd mentality -- we're social creatures, and it's safe going along with what others around you are doing, especially to strangers you won't have to face again. It's safe to do what you want when there's little or no social consequence. one upmanship in a group is expected, encouraged. I think most people would behave differently if the object of their cruelty were someone they knew and saw frequently. (That sting video earlier in the discussion of mothers catching their sons catcalling was amazing.) Men should respect women. But all people should respect all people.
But that's a pipe dream in a world of billions of people.
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I find the act of catcalling so incredibly bizarre. I have never done it in my life, and I can't image a situation when I could ever do it.
For what it's worth, I am sorry these people made/make you feel unsafe, it is not fair and I don't get why anyone would bother a woman in such a manner.
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don't really know what i can say that hasn't already been said by someone in the thread, so all i can really give you is a lame bump and my thanks for the thread.
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It is the tip of the iceberg of an extremely serious problem rarely adequately addressed. The lack of respect for women (or generally speaking other people) that inevitably leads to violence. There is no need to think of them as our sisters, daughters or mothers, everyone should first think "if I was that person". The same should be done to everyone: to put ourselves in the shoes of others, empathy. If I were that man, woman, gay, white, black, yellow, blue, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, animist, gnostic, alien. Everyone should think before acting and before speaking. Always and more.
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Never felt the need for catcalling, but you can have my bump.
Which actually sounded a lot ruder than I intended....
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Catcalling is a sad and serious problem, especially in some parts of the globe. In Latin America it feeds off a culture of "machismo". It is so prevalent in latino culture that it enables men to do that to whoever they want, whenever they want. This terrible behavior is so widespread in Brazil, and Latin America as a whole, that it makes discussions like this even more important around here.
I can't remember how many times I've seen men, even friends, turn their heads when they see a girl, just to call her their princess/queen (or "mi vida", they love this one) or to repeat some cheesy pick up line and that's not even the worst I've seen, which makes this whole thing even sadder... Just the other day a guy wasn't even arrested after ejaculating (yes, you read that right) on a woman in a public bus because according to the authorities "it's not an aggression". Only after getting caught doing the same thing again, they finally decide to lock him up for a few days...
Now they're thinking about changing the law here. I also heard from a friend that in Argentina you can get a fine for catcalling. It's not much and to achieve a definite solution we would need to not only more penalties for perpetrators, but also to teach boys to respect girls from a young age so they don't grow up like that, but, at least, it's something.
This might not be the kind of thread we wanna read, but it's definitely the one we need.
Ps: this kind of news, just a few hours ago, is the reason we need more threads like this
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Since when steamgifts discussions turned into social justice promotion page? I thought its about gaming
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since when this issue is "social justice"?
i thought it was basic respect for each other.
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Yes, we should really work on this basic respect aspect. In general in the world. Many people are very rude and it could use lot of improvement.
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call me crazy but maybe its because you choose to post it in a site about giving other people games and where people talk about video games and when I call you out about it you hide behind a strawman talking about "basic respect"
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using your logic,
if this is a site to give away games, why do you take so much instead of being generous?
This thread offends me!
That tells a lot about you. Log off, take your time, and think about it.This thread is inappropriate for SG, please close and delete it!
Go tell that to all other threads about awareness, politics, religion, sports, disasters, etc.
thanks for confirming i had to write that in the OP.
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is this your reply...using ad hominems? seriously? It doesn't matter how much I give back if at all...its not your business and its not connected to the fact that you come here to preach and shame others with your "FAQ".
I dont care what others did, politics or whatever, I find what they did inappropriate the same way as you do
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you choose to post it in a site about giving other people games
not ad hominem at all, you contradict yourself since you misuse this site.
and you're right, i'm here to shame trash that thinks harassing is ok so they dismiss my problems.
and again, please look for "awareness" in the discussions and tell everyone else to close their threads. go ahead and do it, since it's innappropriate for steamgifts. ^^
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So instead of promote anti harassment in a polite way and discuss the topic with those who disagree you come here to trash and shame gamers that may not agree with you......ok sure very legit very noble...a real social justice warrior
go back to tumbler or reddit there is a nice echo chamber there for people like you - nobody will disagree there with you, you can be surrounded there by yes men all day long
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No. There have been people who have dissented on the subject of catcalling but who weren't asses about it, and Mully didn't chew them up.
Don't pretend they're being unreasonable when they have demonstrated throughout the ongoing thread that they're chill so long as people have basic respect. Especially not when you came in here with the whole "this doesn't belong here" attitude, which assumes your minority opinion should be enough to dissuade all participants. The overwhelming majority of responses have been happy to discuss or empathise, and the only people being snorted at are those who were rude first or being disingenuous. That isn't an echo chamber.
If you truly feel that this site is just for game gifting, given your attendance in this thread is not mandatory, why did you feel the urge to come here and assert your opinion above everyone else who was happy to engage?
For someone who has such an obvious bogeyman in the dreaded SJW, you certainly act an awful lot like that which you hate. You assert your opinions without merit or warrant, you generate conflict and frame the receiver of your attention as the one being needlessly aggressive, you are hypocritical in the standards you hold the opposing party to, you operate behind wafer-thin facade of politeness, and when your rudeness is not well received you accuse them of being uncivil and that they can't function outside of a hugbox. The real actual SJWs and those who see the SJW bogeymen in every shadow are equal opposites, two sides of the same coin. You have become a mirror image of the thing you dislike.
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Since when aren't people allowed to discuss things like this here?
And since when has "social justice" been a bad thing?
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ask atheism plus, humanism plus, the comics community....the list is long
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Every time a community is getting infiltrated with SJWs it will always end the same way, the sane people will leave and it will turn into toxic community with purity tests about how much you loyel to the "Social justice" agenda.
Don't believe me? just look into what happen to the atheist community and the comics community
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Ah, now I get it.
The dreaded "SJW"s infiltrating forums.
Your terminology shows your thinking.
I'll just ignore you from now.
Just remember when one day you get beaten up or abused by police or nazis or whoever that you were against discussions concerning anti-social or oppressive behaviour.
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O how righteous how egalitarian of you are wishing me harm so I will get apparently get it - sounds the same like when feminists wishing women to be raped so they will subscribe to feminism
listen I dont have a problem with the idea of discussion about harresmnet....but then you read the FAQ that Mully posted and dont tell me that after reading it yourself you dont see the agenda pushing
also that's a nice way to go from 1 to 1000, didn't know that verbal harassment is the same as physical one, apparently in your world words damages like a bullet wound.
You are free ignore as much as you want - you are just running away from talking about it
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Their replies already showed me what kind of person they are. That's why I don't feel the need to discuss anything with them.
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Actually, you're totally right. I didn't even realise this was the same DIMBE I was grouching at not even an hour before.
This is what I get for posting while sleep deprived, I totally misread it as a seperate thread chain and assumed it was someone different, so gave them the benefit of the doubt given how the term "SJW" is heavily dependent on whether it is used as a brainless insult or a descriptor for hostility. FML.
So yeah, uhh, my bad. Sorry for the huge post. \:3/
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I stopped catcalling years ago but back then I used to make girls smile when I do it. I mean it's kinda nice when a man refers to a woman's beauty with a catchy and funny phrase, yeah it's superficial but it's positive when used right. Harassment on the other hand is unacceptable and I do get your point and support you.
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This problem is more or less present in almost all countries, but you live in South America if I'm not mistaken and is well known that a lot of men from those countries are sexists.
It's an important matter, I completely agree, but probably the most off-topic thread of the entire forum, you should move it to the proper category.
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Not me! I never did! :P
My younger sister roamed in & just claimed the princess status.
Since then I have this compulsive habit of almost always being politely to women and to try cheering them up or to protect them when needed.
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BUMP thanks
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Thankfully it doesn't happen often to me (which doesn't mean it's uncommon here, I've heard women living in "ghetto" areas telling about how they face it daily), but it sure is annoying and extremely unconfortable when it does.
Kinda sad you had to amend the post with that faq, but the walls of text on the first page show it's still topical :/
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even with the "faq" there they deny things and shift blame. *facepalm*
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Sorry to hear that this happens to you so often and it shouldn't. There are just too many crazy people out there that think this is awesome and it doesn't hurt anyone. I'm glad you are able to share this. Good thread.
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If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
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Bump. Sorry to hear all the stuff you and others have to go through, makes me glad it doesn't happen often at my place with the rare exception.
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One of those huge problems in our society that so many people just don't seem to notice.
Bump.
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Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. (Martin Luther King, Jr.)
Thank you for not being silent. <3
And I'm sorry that so many of us men aren't raised to realize how harmful this is.
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Because I'm tired of getting catcalled and watching others in the street receive the same treatment, I decided to share some information with everyone in SG hoping that they can stop doing it and/or talk to their friends to make them reconsider their behavior.
Street harassment is unwanted and unwelcomed public attention, most often directed at women, which is demeaning and damaging. It’s not a private matter but one that should concern everyone.
If you have trouble empathising with strangers, then think about your mother, sister, or girlfriend. Would you enjoy watching people catcalling and telling them nasty things? How do you think they would feel about it?
On an average day I go out twice and I get at least one guaranteed catcall. On weekends or when I go out, for example to a club, it gets worse because groups of people feel more empowered to do so.
A few months ago I was walking with a friend and one guy said things and started to follow us. After a while it ended with me turning around and pepper-spraying his face, then running away in case he could fight back. This is the kind of violence it generates.
We had a rough rest of the day and were shaken up. I didn't enjoy doing that at all, but he had to be stopped. I also like to think the guy didn't enjoy it either.
So in the end, what did he achieve? Nothing.
Edit
OK, I'm gonna clear this up since some people like to assume things just to blame me for defending myself.
For the backward people, this was in june when I wasn't wearing "provocative shorts and t-shirts" clothes. These are the "nice compliments" I got amongst others i don't even want to repeat here and/or I want to forget:
hey girl nice butt
does your friend wanna F with me too?
hey reply bitch
come here lesbos!
GONNA EAT YOUR ASS
Walked one block with that guy which was 1 meter away from us. He wasn't shouting from the other side of the street, he wasn't half a block away, he wasn't sitting in the sidewalk. He was right behind us.
He got warned to leave us alone during the whole 1-block fast-paced walk. I didn't stop to "discuss" because I'm not a 1.9 meters 120kg guy, so I'm not putting my friend and I at risk at 8:30pm in the street.
You read the "You're not alone" thread?
Well, most of the stuff that I shared about me is linked directly to an experience related to this, but I wasn't walking with a friend and there were two guys instead of one following me. You can guess what happened next since I wasn't able to defend myself.
But of course, street harassment is harmless and nothing else can go wrong, nor it can trigger unhappy memories from past experiences.
Think a bit before judging others so quickly assuming they overreact when they feel in danger.~
I know I probably won't convince anyone catcalling to stop by posting this (it doesn't hurt to try), but if your friends or co-workers do it, you can persuade or talk to them and see if they get it. There's nothing worse than being in a group of friends and allowing them to act like idiots.
It's disgusting and demeaning, stop it. You're hurting people with your actions and makes you look like a fool.
❤️️ FAQ, in case you're gonna post one of these comments I get all the time.
- But some women like to be catcalled!
Yes, there's also men that like to get hit in the face with a hammer. So using the same logic, I should go out and hit all men with a hammer in hopes they enjoy it?
- Don't be so sensitive, ignore it.
No, it reaches a point it can't be ignored. It's not an isolated issue once per month or in certain situations so you can avoid it. It also affects me a lot depending on my mood, so when you feel like crap and you get catcalled, things get worse.
- So you want others to come to your rescue when some stranger catcalls you? That will end up with me getting in a fight!
I'm not asking people to fight for me, just them to stop doing it, spread the word, and discourage people in their group of friends from being disrespectful.
- If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
1: Don't blame the victim.
2: I dress as I please. It's my body, not someone else's.
3: It doesn't matter if it's winter and I'm wearing a jacket, or summer with shorts and a t-shirt. Some people will be idiots anyway and say things.
- I bet you like it when a handsome guy catcalls you!
Irrelevant. I expect respect from everyone.
- What about men? They also get harassed!
I'm very aware guys also get harassed by both men and women, but this thread is about girls. Feel free to create another thread for that issue, and I will support it.
- So this is just a misandrist rant!
It's not. If you feel targeted by anything I said, then it's not because you're a man, it's because you actions ressemble what it's said here.
- Meh, it could be worse.
It could be worse, but it SHOULD be better. Also, normalizing this behavior makes it even more painful for victims.
- Women also catcall!
I never said they don't, but for each woman that catcalls me, i get 500 guys. So the issue at hand is the one I shared.
- This thread offends me!
That tells a lot about you. Log off, take your time, and think about it.
- This thread is inappropriate for SG, please close and delete it!
Go tell that to all other threads about awareness, politics, religion, sports, disasters, etc.
💙 Some info and articles:
Stop Street Harassment
Wikipedia definition
Documenting women's stories of street harassment
Why we need to take street harassment seriously
Dutch woman faces down her catcallers by posting selfies with them
💚 Videos:
Au bout de la rue (Court-métrage) - france
10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman - usa
Woman is filmed walking London's streets for secret documentary - uk
Male actor dresses as woman to experience sexual harassment - egypt
Sons React to Their Moms Getting Catcalled - usa
💛 And some pictures:
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