1:Don't like it, become a patreon or use adblock.
2:Ads are based on your own google use.
3:Why would you hate/dislike seeing pregnant women enough for it to bother you? If it weren't for them you wouldn't even be here.
4:Why even a topic for this?
By Request 5: Why is this in the deals category? It's general/offtopic.
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2:Ads are based on your own google use
Touché 🤔🙃
3:Why would you hate/dislike seeing pregnant women enough for it to bother you?
I think the point being made is rather that targeted advertising based on user profiling can be a bit ridiculous compared to targeted advertising based on page contents?
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Depending on cookies usage, the ad might not be targeted at all. Besides, there are women here. And lots of guys who have significant others who might be pregnant. The world of gamers don't exist in a bubble is, I think, what Lugum's reply was about.
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Besides, there are women here. And lots of guys who have significant others who might be pregnant
Yeah but, by that logic, there is no need to target ads at all (since basically everywhere you can find people who might be interested in any product you're advertising). While I tend to agree with this (mostly because I don't like profiling), I'm not sure most advertisers do ^^
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While I tend to agree with this (mostly because I don't like profiling), I'm not sure most advertisers do ^^
Apparently very little of advertising online is actually targeted. It's just an excuse they use to collect information either for selling or for the sake of collecting it... in case they find a way to make money off it one day.
And I do agree 100% with you on the profiling business.
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Anything not related to the site itself or about games, is always offtopic
He isn't doing anything offensive or against the rule, he just has an opinion very different from most others, but that's about it. If he's smart though he would figure to close it himself.
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He isn't doing anything offensive or against the rule
This is definitively classifiable as spam, and thus against site rules. Rather than have me provide five paragraphs explaining why it'd classify as such, let's just suffice it to say that from a staff perspective, there's nothing which would inhibit them from considering it as such. That's the only element which is truly relevant for consideration, after all.
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4:Why even a topic for this?
That question could also be asked for the 99% of useless topics you open yourself
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YIKES.
I was suspended for doing something like this... Didn't think I'd have to tell a support member that "perhaps you want to take that down before you get suspended".
Edit for clarification: This is a personal attack (at least for some of the mods). Would be a bit of an embarrassing situation to have a mod get suspended.
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Would be a bit of an embarrassing situation to have a mod get suspended.
Not gonna happen though.
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I don't like assuming the worst. Especially when it's with a person with actual power over me. Even if they might not be actively looking to disadvantage me, they might still be more harsh towards me due to an inherent bias from that encounter.
...but odds are this rule-breaking (a rule which shouldn't be a rule to begin with due to the laxness of the subjectivity for what counts as a personal attack and what doesn't) behavior will not be punished at all.
Were I a mod however, I'd legit take him aside and give him a warning at the very least. "Equal rights and equal lefts" as they say.
Hopefully he learns from it, but looking at his responses, it's unlikely.
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Though I don't agree with xarabas, I wouldn't see this as a personal attack. Viewing a thread as useful or useless is very subjective. Of course, it's personal criticism of another user's behaviour, but it isn't insulting (like your own example below). There is the off topic category and threads usually don't get closed because they contain some spam postings. So whether or not xarabas likes that, it's nothing bad about being off-topic or create "useless" threads.
He could have also called him "spammer" within this context and would anyone get hurt by that?
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Though I don't agree with xarabas, I wouldn't see this as a personal attack. Viewing a thread as useful or useless is very subjective.
Fair enough. The whole "subjectivity" part flows around all of this, I feel. Personal attacks can't happen here unless there are physical or mental consequences. There are very rare situations where physical damage can be made (like doxxing or some other similar stuff) and mental damage can't be proven. People were offended by milk at one point. People are still offended by a frog meme. Yet also there are people who claim that nothing should be able to offend a person and therefore you can say whatever.
Who really knows. Personally, I don't think this should be seen as a personal attack either, but I also don't think my situation where I said "You would complain regardless" with a vulgarly excessive and ridiculous description is also a personal attack (that includes the "victim" themselves). Yet here we are.
He could have also called him "spammer" within this context and would anyone get hurt by that?
Who knows. Personally I wouldn't. But personally I wouldn't also dare say something like this anymore either (at this current point in time) since like 50% of the rules are based on the opinions of the mods. This can be qualified as a personal attack if the mod wants it to be and I think that's the real problem.
Thanks for the response, by the way. Glad to see an alternate viewpoint!
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In this particular case, I have been speaking more like an SG user and not at all as a support member. Unfortunately, there is no way to distinguish between those two with a tag next to my username so I have to explain it this way. I have no personal issue(s) with Lugum whatsoever, I'm merely pointing out a baffling irony in his 4th point.
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In the past i made some "joke" threads, usually in response to others posting silly things, and yeah some others from which maybe some would say a bit immature, but i always did it with a giveaway and some might say that's still not an excuse i grant them all that, but atleast there is something with it unlike this one.
The whole forum and the vibe at that time was different (apparently i even missed a scolding support member that was here in the real beginning), the people were different, all together some of us were sometimes also in for those immature jokes. The forum changed, i changed.
But i haven't even done any of that for like the last 2 years or so?
What i give away, all are with i believe non spammy topics, post news about game stuff, or sometimes just funny news i think to just lighten up things here (which just looking at how toxic things get in this topic alone) is not a bad thing once a while.
Heck i couldn't even afford to gift anything for 4-6 months after tremorgames closed down, so also a period i posted a lot less.
And I did a weekly jigidi thing for over 2 years, a yearly advent one, some in between ones, i think i contributed mostly in a positive way.
So yeah i am not getting what you mean with the baffling irony thing and 99%..
Also we can't see with what cap you speak with, so perhaps it's then just not to say such things at all to avoid confusion but even as a just a member, i found this a stingy remark really based on nothing and yeah a bit of an attack.
I don't know what happened with Zeruel but if he would have been suspended for something similar, it shouldn't be different for you too.
But more so even Zeruel shouldn't have been suspended over it either, nor am i requesting it here for you, but that's more the unwritten rules some keep asking about to have that written so all mods will react in the same way, not one doing this and the other doing that.
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In the past i made some "joke" threads, usually in response to others posting silly things
You like to play with fire don't you? I remember that a lot of people made topics like that and it was a lot of fun.. Then came huge wave of suspensions and I don't see that kind of discussions anymore..
that's more the unwritten rules some keep asking about to have that written so all mods will react in the same way, not one doing this and the other doing that.
It's almost like you were asking for perma-ban. Don't say such things!
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Whut? 0_0 No if i want to get burned, i'll just post a comment, no need for a fire. ;)
But no i am not talking about those parody threads from a few months ago and that did get a bit out of hand when 10 people at a time would make one, i mean like 2-3 years ago, when the whole forum was different, alot nicer too, alot of good people that left.
But also probably because there simply was barely any moderation that it was different, even though you could say more (without a comment just completely derailing).
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i mean like 2-3 years ago
Same here. The problem is that things escalated quickly and went from fun and jokes to suggestions about "eating bullet" and other nasty stuff. Won't link any of discussions - not sure if these wounds are healed and these people are around here :) Anyway - fun and jokes ended in eternal hatred and weeks long suspensions.
Since then forum moderation was increased and at least for me it became less interesting. Worst part is that different mods are enforcing existing rules in different ways and not much have changed in faq or tos or guideliness - it's best way ever to learn about "new hidden rule" or customised rule interpretation when you read about it on suspension screen :3
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Okay, never really remembering it being that nasty at that time.
Yeah i believe i even created a topic about it once asking for new clear set rules, even wrote a support ticket, made comments about it on the forum. but it falls a bit on deaf ears it seems.
Guessing from the sound of it you learned the hard way?
(Weren't completely sure with your previous comment wether you were sarcastic or serious, it's late...should be heading to bed). :p
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I learned that supporting in any way somebody that is conflicted with support member might be not the best idea :)
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I don't know what happened with Zeruel but if he would have been suspended for something similar, it shouldn't be different for you too.
Ah, that's my name! Let me give the context. Perhaps you'll find my case to be way worse (EDIT: Worse as in "Zeruel's a dumbass"). I don't want to come off as a liar/someone who misrepresents the truth.
A thread for Epic giving $10 discount for 2FA was posted. A user was against Epic in that thread and I thought that while I usually am critical of them, that this was a solid move. The user posted a snarky comment and I responded rather passive-aggressively.
Now, this is the part that got me banned specifically: (*I swear to God, if I get banned for this again...)
Epic could give you all the games for free and fuck your mom to raise her self-esteem and you'd still bitch about something.
Now, mind you, the language isn't nice here at all. While I personally use "fuck" as frequently as "the", then it still doesn't mean that others do and it's whatever.
But it was cited that the ban was due to it being a "personal attack". Now, maybe I'm mistaken here, but saying that Epic could insert a vulgar thing and add a deprecating quip and you (the user) would still complain isn't really even a personal insult. Well, the real insult here, when removing the fluff is just that "You'll complain regardless".
After the ban, the unsuspend request I sent (for mainly just hoping to get another mod's perspective and perhaps further explanation why the other user wasn't suspended for doing the same stuff) was responded to by the same mod who added that:
Yet, as I said, what you think that caused your suspension, isn't really the reason for me to decide to put an end to that...conversation. As you said yourself, those are "minor things", but this:
"give you all the games for free and fuck your mom to raise her self-esteem"
Was a bit excessive even if we consider the tone of the conversation. This "comparison" was in really bad taste, to say the least.
Now, personally I don't really agree with it, but who the hell am I to say. I was the one suspended and perhaps it clouds my judgement unlike almost any other life event where I saw how I broke enough rules to be punished.
But if this is suspension-worthy, then a mod, a person in power, literally just saying "That question could also be asked for the 99% of useless topics you open yourself" is just as bad since while he didn't use naughty language, he dedicated the entire comment to go after you.
Look, I don't know. To me these are comparable. Perhaps you disagree. If so, I apologize for throwing what's most likely an annoying red herring. But regardless, my opinion's been said and he created a solid "YIKES" moment at the very least.
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Thanks for explaining, though i really want you to be careful too (why i didn't ask further), because suspensions are just so random because of how it's going now.
Maybe i wouldn't really say the wording itself is comparable (although i agree saying fuck you to a person or a company are both completely different things).
But i atleast agree(d) with you that it was an attack, but i don't have a desire to see him get suspended over it, some might think differently but i am not spiteful and i mean that and what i stated i just want clear set rules that goes for everyone, either everyone gets suspended or not for such things (and i prefer that, for it all not to become too tight here), and that's missing and i don't see that coming anytime soon.
Not for someone to think i gonna compare it with, but like after #metoo you can't make certain jokes anymore or say certain things, this forum had it's own (invisible) thing happened in which we can say a lot less these days, and staff isn't helping each acting/reacting different per person.
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In this particular case, I have been speaking more like an SG user and not at all as a support member. Unfortunately, there is no way to distinguish between those two with a tag next to my username so I have to explain it this way.
Then don't do it... You're in a position of power and it's displayed all the time. You're representing the support team whether you want to or not. No one can read your mind and no one should have to decipher whether you meant it as a user or not.
You're in an unfortunate spot for sure and I don't envy you at all. But you weren't forced in the role.
Plus, I stand by what I said before. People have been punished for this rule before and at that point it doesn't/shouldn't matter if you're a mod, a normal user, a developer, a soccer mom or the third man of the Blue Man Group.
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Wouldn't be the first time mods would take something like this and consider it breaking the rules, due to this being a "personal attack".
If someone saying a "ur mum fuck someone" is a personal attack, then this most definitely is as well.
Though personally I wouldn't say it's calling out really in terms of this site's rules, since Lugum's here and he directly addressed him. But also, "calling out" in real life means that you're publicly exposing someone for their behavior, which Xarabas most certainly did.
EDIT: Yeah, my point's pretty much pointless and you nailed it in terms of the site's rules. My bad.
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Where did i say OP made/makes useless topics or just "attacked" him anywhere with words for that matter? Don't put words in my mouth..
I genuinely started to post that in the first place to give him some advice before he would get a shitstorm, as he did do some things wrong and totally by himself (how he is getting those ads), you can't make anything else of it.
Xarabas however played it on the man and it was uncalled as i didn't even speak with him but he had to make that remark anyway.
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yes, i love to "troll" people like you that pick on low levels to feel better about themselves.
nice edit there 💃
you can twist your words all you want, but the meaning is the same. you tell people to close threads and inquire why they posted something, yet you make ~3 threads per week.
maybe it's you that need a better grasp of english.
xarabas called you out on your hypocrisy, now deal with it. 🤷
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Nah posting 541131313 same leeching and ungrateful SG community 'jokes' is always insightful,necessary and praise worthy. This very thread got one that was totally on-topic!
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I edited it because of Zeruels comment that apparently according to some staff members you can't even say anything like these things anymore either, but yeah you 2 love to troll indeed, but then again that's just a fact rather then an insult. 💃
But some people actually think about their words and try to be the civil one.
You go put words in my mouth too all you want, that i would have something against low levels, like to make myself feel better, because you simply can't find any ground to back that up, because i would never say or remotely imply that.
I got bullied for over a decade, i been down and out many times, therefor i would never ever feel better then anyone, if i won 10 million i would not look down on a cashier, garbage man because i would be better, same goes for online.
You 2 pretend to stand up against the bullies while in fact you 2 are bullying people here.
Dunno why you even look for and dredge up a 4 month old thread like that or what point you are trying to make, or what the context even was anymore.
There were some periods that a few people constantly made threads, and really spammed, maybe that was one of those cases, i don't remember. and even so i just asked if a spam thread could be closed? Whoopdiedoo.
And wow i make about 3 topics a week, but that just clarifies it even more then right, with that amount i can't really be spamming.
I wish you would deal with yourself for a change. 🤷
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oh yes, i have a lot of ground to to back it up, but i can't post all the replies here because it would be 100% calling out. if you did this once or twice no one would care or notice, but it's been like this for years already, and things pile up.
I got bullied for over a decade
and now after picking on someone, comes the self-pity part as usual. again, this piles up after several similar comments.
And wow i make about 3 topics a week, well whoopdiedoo, but that just clarifies it even more then right, with that amount i am not really spamming, you have to try harder really.
"you tell people to close threads and inquire why they posted something, yet you make ~3 threads per week." i never mentioned spam.
go check your reading comprehension.
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Yeah yeah, same stuff again as all the other stuff you kept on people and staff members you supposedly would all blow out in the open and then got scared not to? You two repeat yourself alot to others as well.
I did not pick on him. Again reading comprehension. Jeez
Not playing a victim at all, i don't care as that's the past or gather sympathy, it's just simply trying to come across it made me who i am today and thus therefor not ever can be put in the shoes of someone feeling better then anyone, ever.
The whole issue between me and Xarabas (not you or Tzaar) started about me having posted 99% spam, i never said you said i was spamming, but that it would just helped "my case". I can read. ;)
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You 2 pretend to stand up against the bullies while in fact you 2 are bullying people here.
Where exactly am I bullying anyone? You're the one doing all the childish insulting and making all the sideways passive-aggressive remarks to anyone who will listen.
I'm going to ask you one more time to stop running your mouth about me. The next time, I'll be reporting you to support. If Xarabas is calling anyone out here, then most assuredly you are as well. Make your choice.
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Do you think i go look and dredge through hundreds of topics? No, i actually got better things to do with my time but i also don't keep records..
But in the same remark here, you picked on several people in the past here on the forum and most of us here know it. https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/eTQHrpS
You go make a support ticket, i am not afraid of it at all, also you start yourself by commenting about a situation between me and xarabas, not you.
All i said to you personally that you have been like this for longer then a few months that is just facts and not some nasty remark and that was it.
If you can't handle it then just keep continueing to ignore eachother, i was happy with that.
And did i even say i wanted to have him suspended? No.
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You don't see it.
2-3 people even before me started to say to him, about calling out, said it was an attack, i also said that remark didn't feel right, but i never asked Xarabas to be suspended over it, but only if Zeruel would have been over a similiar case then that it would just be treated as equal as in mods not getting the special treatment. So crying? Come on.
And again. i just stated you are who you are, longer then just a few months, nothing else, not like you really changed,..right?
If you find that calling out and insulting (like should we dredge up actual insults you really said from time to time?) go ahead write to support.
As usual this is just going nowhere, i prefer when we just ignore eachother.
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You're doing exactly what you claim Xarabas is doing. Period. End of fucking story. That you believe there is any difference is baffling.
can't we just go back to just ignoring eachother?
I was ignoring you. You're the one who replied to me (and about me to others).
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What's baffling is a whole nonsense discussion about nothing really, the whole thing between me and him was already settled like 5 hours ago, and some nonsense comment towards jim about you but seemingly it had to be dragged on.
Noted, I won't make that mistake again of replying to someone replying to you.
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Noted, I won't make that mistake again of replying to someone replying to you.
You still don't get it. I couldn't give a shit who you reply to, but don't make the mistake of running your mouth about me again. I've given you this opportunity in the past, but I do have my limits. You've just about reached them.
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I only said to jim you are who you are longer then just a few months.
If you see that as an insult or calling out still (the only other thing the bully part was after), you really need to grow a few..the ones you asked me to ride on a while ago in this topic.
And that was not an insult btw? You love to swear and throw insults, while i haven't said 1 uncivil thing towards you in this topic, It's measuring as usual with 2 standards..
You keep forgetting all the things you said each time to me, and to others.
Again go ahead write to support if you feel that would actually do something, if you feel hurt. Or we just keep it at this here.
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I only said to jim you are who you are longer then just a few months.
That's most certainly not all you've said about me in this thread, in multiple comments, to multiple people. That you don't seem to get that tells me one thing -- that you're not going to stop, and I'll have to stop being so pleasant. I much prefer being pleasant.
you really need to grow a few
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I have not made any comment about you other then to jim, and again all i said was you are longer who you are, then a few months, and a bully.
Or maybe you like to think everything i say is about you? Then that's a whole different issue.
I am not a support member am i? Nor am i spiteful, i don't care about you one bit, If i would be spiteful i would go digging up all that old dirt, but i won't.
But as always you want the last word don't you, it just nags at you.
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That dude managed to create a situation where a mod got publicly called out, got accused of breaking the rules and then got literally 3 users to be guilty of the same thing the mod was accused of.
A wild thread for sure :D
Anyways, wanna get pregnant with me so we can see the ads?
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You're way too obvious.
Oh FFS, spare everyone the "good gesture" bullshit. No one is buying it.
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You started off fine. He definitely criticized this thread and effectively said it was useless.
But you're basically just adding details to make a narrative where there currently is none. The thread's useless, that's all. You can assume they wanted it deleted, sure. You can also assume they wanted the user to just explain their point more as to why it was made. Point is you can't say for certain and pointless assuming makes your argument stop being a legit point and instead makes it look like someone who's just trying to pick fights for attention.
Regardless, your original point was good.
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No. I see what he said. He said "4:Why even a topic for this?" and you said "holy semantics, batman. 🤦♀️".
Now, legit, you can easily take away that Lugum said that the topic's pointless.
But to assume more is just classic conjecture. Mind you, maybe he did want to say what you claim. But there's no real proof of this. He might've just said what he did. He might've eluded to more.
Perhaps you have more proof of this, in which case I'd be down to hear it since I just might be a bit dense here.
EDIT: Also, all ya'll probably wanna take a chillpill. I got banned for literally less than this, so I wouldn't want you all to go through the same. Regardless if we agree or disagree on certain subjects, you're all dope people.
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I got banned for literally less than this
Epic could give you all the games for free and fuck your mom to raise her self-esteem and you'd still bitch about something.
ehmmm no, that's not literally, nor metaphorically, nor philosophically, at all. that point hasn't been reached in this thread, not even 5% of it's vulgarity. 🙄
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A sentence.
It took a sentence :D
The whole vulgar language thing was secondary in that judgement. That one sentence was the personal attack there. But fair enough, if you think that's the case then feel free to think that.
As I said, I might be biased. Though I'm not sure how biased I can be when counting words and sentences :D
I appreciate the input regardless. Have a good one!
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this time i'm 100% with Tzaar! :D ...he perfectly explained why this is not a calling out.
xara's only fault, imo, is that he might sometimes forget the "Support" tag he has. just that.
plus, if you add that they know -a little- each other since a long time, is really not a big thing.
still not cute, thou
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Suspension worthy calling out on SG is not about bringing attention to someone's else behavior. But about bringing attention to someone's else site rule breaking:
This is something that can get you suspended.
Entirely different matter is that some users can't keep their discussion civil, and attack others. You may disagree with someone, but focusing only on calling them names, say that they will f___ their mother, someone should put you down you dog or such is crossing the line.
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Entirely different matter is that some users can't keep their discussion civil, and attack others. You may disagree with someone, but focusing only on calling them names, say that they will f___ their mother, someone should put you down you dog or such is crossing the line.
Mhh... don't scroll up :/
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Nah, I was genuinely laughing at people reading into the OP and making a stink about it. I'm guessing by your reaction that you're one of those people.
Do us both a favor, and read the OP again - in particular, the title. Don't read into it, take it at face value. Then maybe you'll get it. I'm actually surprised no one else has.
Hint: Kinda reads like he advocates pregnancy ads on SG, doesn't it?
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no one else has
if i've got that right, it was me, when i've told you "i'm talking about things i do know". won't say more, but asked mods to take a look just at this "thread face value". also, i really don't care about its "potential" content.
still weird, very weird that such a tiny thing could escalate this fast... with no more OP traces.
(i've also de-blacklisted him, cause that was really dumb of me. still convinced this should be closed, tho!)
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It escalated because people can't handle the opinions of others, even when they're not sure what those opinions really are.
That's why I was laughing. People are all too often quicker to hate than they are to reason.
Like I said, read the title of the thread again, and tell me people didn't jump to conclusions.
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yes we did jump to conclusions. this happens, tho. happened also for things about us, old stories, things left unsaid. or repeated on loop :D
i've read that title 6 times. then i've sent my ticket to Support (not a user report, btw. ...pretty sure i've chosen the wrong Category, lol)
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Ehr... why would I be against such ads? And yes, I think that happy&healthy pregnant women are beautiful, I definitely enjoy seeing them (in real life, that is; as for ads, there's ublock origin for this).
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I've had unblocked ads on SG once, then they gradually started being disruptive (videos with sound etc) so I enabled blocking here as well. If you don't like them, block them. If you still want to support the website, you can support cg on Patreon instead and get ad-free on SG.
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Site ADMINS: I wanted to stay quiet on this one, but jbondguy said it well. I love AB; I insist on UNBLOCKING a very few wonderful sites like SG...until they became "disruptive (videos with sound etc) so I enabled blocking here as well." I would love to UNBLOCK this site once again.
The pregnancy ads? (sigh) The advertisers really do not know that I am not shopping for a car right now either, and so that happens. They do a lot of guess in targetting ads, but they gain much value when they have some idea about who is seeing the ad. Go search for some information on cancer and visit some cancer care sites--watch how the cancer pharmaceutical companies will love to advertise to you even though you have no cancer.
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I've come to the conclusion that Google Ads is fundamentally broken. The majority of their ads displayed to me seem to be completely irrelevant, which is inexcusable for a company that has data on almost everything I do on the internet.
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To me, the next best thing to "no ads" is "ads that are totally irrelevant to me". This way at least I know they got their profiling wrong. That's less creepy that mind-reading Google IMHO...
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I have actually seen that, and it is not as bad as you might expect. (It is worse.)
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I'm kinda surprised Google doesn't think I'm a pregnant woman considering my incredibly massive stomach and my enlarged breasticles.
Perhaps when you watched a JOI video where the woman/man called you "daddy" on a lude website, Google might've thought you were becoming one. We need some research. I'll volunteer, brb.
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