Does it bug you too?
I agree a bit. If someone does not want a flood of comments in his inbox and writes "please no comments", "no thanks please" something like that
it´s abolutly ok and we should respect this.
But here are really some special creators around, that write a wall of text, what you qualifies you for a blacklist , what additional things qualify you for blacklist, what they expect you do do and so on....and this is just ridiculous....I just leave those, and tag them with "some kind of social-disorder".
If you want no thanks, write it, if you like cat-pics wirte it....if you just wanna have fun to annoy people, make a thread and link to the giveaway.
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whats wrong with generic thanks :(
people have been using it since 1741 and now all out of sudden its not good anymore ? that makes me one sad, sad turtle.
:/
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There's over-supply of generic thanks. That made their value drop so much you can't even sell them on SteamMarket.
I hope CG will take a page from Steam and allow us to change those thanks into some sort of gems.
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yeah i guess so, diminishing returns and all that -.-
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I think it's rude as hell, tbh. It always rubs me the wrong way when OPs add that to their description. It's not like you're literally being inundated with spam messages and it's not like it takes more than 10 seconds, from start to finish, to click on your notifications and "mark as read".
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If you have a lot of giveaways running at the same time, you easily get over 100 messages overnight. And even if it only takes a few seconds to mark as read, you still have to go through them because someone might have said something interesting or asked a question about the giveaway.
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I guess I just have a hard time believing that we live in a world where it's considered an unbearable burden to take 90 seconds to scroll through people thanking you. I've had 5+ GAs going at the same time before and it never occurred to me to be annoyed that people were appreciative and thoughtful enough to give a quick "thanks".
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5 GAs at the same time isn't that much, I currently have 40 GAs running, and I've seen users with 100-150 GAs running.
I never ask people not to say thanks, but I can surely understand that some people don't want to go through hundreds of comments.
You say that's it's rude (I know that sometimes people asking this sound aggresive, but most of the time they are asking politely), but I think it's ruder to deny such a simple request from someone who is giving you the opportunity to win games, and it doesn't seem unfair to me that they would blacklist people who don't listen to that request.
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And just as a side note, my annoyance is mostly with people who say what's mentioned in the OP - "Thanks = blacklist" or similar. I think that is incredibly rude. If the person running the GA instead says something like, say, "No generic thanks - give me your favorite movie quote instead!" or something like that, it's a different story. Just to clarify.
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What if you do 20 giveaways at one time, and you can wake up one morning, and see over 500 messages, and most of them will be saying Thanks!! But then, there are some important replies on forum etc you don't want to miss out..
I want to read comments, but not that automated message someones bot posted.
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like I said before in other comment - Why I myself appreciate getting comments in my GAs I can understand why some, especially traders, don't. If you're a heavy-weight trader you sit on a site a lot refreshing it every 15-30min just to see if you get comment notification usually indicating that you got a trade offer. and thanks in GAs give you false notifications - so I tjink it's ok to ask not to post anything in such circumstances.
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It feels kind of odd to me when I hear that people don't want thank yous. Don't get me wrong, I understand the reasons why people don't want thank you spam now but it's just an odd concept to think about an unwanted thank you. For me, I like scrolling through and seeing all the comments whether they're generic "ty"s or a long reply.
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I like scrolling through all these comments as well myself, but I see why I'd find these notifications annoying if I were for example a trader for whom notifications usually mean trade offer ;)
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Let's take it a step further.
"No thx please, on every single car of the train" Come on, people. It's a train. I know you are not a bot. I know you are grateful, but thx ten times within a minute isn't polite anymore. You don't say Good Bye to a person whenever they get out of sight, just to greet them with Good Morning when they reappear, do you?
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Maybe we should start replying to each and every one with "no probs :)".
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I am one of those people that asks not to just say "thanks". Reason being I'd rather not have my inbox clogged and no matter how sincere you are it makes you look like a bot. If someone does want to leave a comment, I ask a question to which they can reply and yet some people still post what looks like suspicious generic copy-pasted replies. No comments is better than 1000 comments of "thanks".
It gets even weirder when the giveaway is pure crap from a bundle of rejects.
If people want to blacklist someone for their laziness then why not? It's their giveaway, it's their blacklist.
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Well, maybe you can thank them later when you won it? xD
I mean the GA creators, they know that we're grateful to them.. right? Right?
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Yes absolutely, if you win that's the perfect time to say thank you, even going back after you've finished playing the game.
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After you've finished it? Well I guess that's too long?
I mean what if you won GTAV? xD
The one I'm thinking is how to thank creator when they're giving key instead of gift
Last time, I just commented on his/her GA comment section (The one I won)
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The two aren't mutually exclusive haha. Heck if you do win you should say thank you. Whether it be before or after you've played it it doesn't matter. I think commenting on the comments section is the most common.
The majority of games on this site unfortunately aren't GTAV. Plenty of short games. Playing the game is more than enough appreciation for winning though but that's another issue entirely.
I've only had a couple of people tell me that they've enjoyed playing the game they've won and it was sure nice to hear that the games weren't wasted. :)
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Not all users are greatful. There is a small minority of entitlet unbgrateful bastards, as sad as it is. Back in SGv1 before we had option to send keys via SG I'd usually friend winner on steam and deliver a key via chat. Had 3-4 winners that didn't say thas or anything and would unfriend me one minute after getting a game, all without a word. Then there's a case of Trivia Knights winner who didn't like one of my questions (he felt his answer was right while it was not), so he just didn't accept and then didn't mark as received his win until it was 6d23h after GA ended, ignoring any msg he got from me or friend invites, just to scre with me. And then there was 1 case when a guy who won while I was giving him a key responded to me "what a shitty game. Why did you even bother spending money for this shit? No thanks for you." and blocked me.
Ok - these are just 5 ppl, out of 951 GAs I delivered, but add to this all regifters and you will get 3-4% of my winners population. It's a small minority, but such people do exist.
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Woah, I hope I don't meet those guys like that
I mean if you didn't like the game why spent your points on that game?
Well for me, I thank the GA's creator only if I won
Because there are so many GA's creator said like what I said "I know that you're grateful" or something like that
Also, I didn't want to bother them, like spam emails
I hope I'm not spamming your message now xD
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I don't care about thanks on my giveaways, I don't want them. It's literally spam, say thanks if you've won the game, I have yet to receive a thanks from people who just grabbed a key after winning(back when it was more personal people would respond with a thanks on Steam or Email). Whenever I win and get a key, I leave a thanks on the giveaway. I don't blacklist people who say thanks, but I also don't want them.
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Copy/paste and bot thank yous are the only thing that bothers me. And they're pretty easy to spot, too. Motherfuckers say the same thing in every single giveaway that they enter. "May the sun shine upon you, and may your day be just peachy. thankyou.gif"
But even then, I don't see the point of blacklisting. Though I might just pester 'em a little. lol
But to each their own. If someone wants to blacklist someone else for a silly reason, I couldn't care less. Even happened to me once. lol *Shrug*
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similar or even same comments doesn't indicate it must be a bot / copy-paste or script. I for example say the same "thanks :>" message most of the time (except when I see I enter multiple GAs of same user - then I change a little bit to not look like a bot ;p) - it's just because 1) I like this smiley and 2) it's like unconditional reflex, muscle memory - I comment on every Ga I enter unless stated otherwise, and if you write thousands of same comments you just write it very quickly by reflex each other time ;)
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But I know that you aren't, because you're able to read giveaway descriptions and answer their questions if one is listed. And you're active in the community. Copy/pasters and bots do no such thing. I've seen folks who comment with just one sentence on all of the giveaways they enter, regardless of whether or not they've been asked a question. They irk the hell out of me.
It's also why I don't blacklist. Since I cannot be 100% sure, it'd be a shame to punish someone that doesn't deserve it.
But yes, you are pretty much 100% correct there. It is not a good idea to assume such things all of the time.
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I used to say thanks alot, but I do not win often, so the Thank You when I win is more special to a generic post. SO I DO NOT THANK THEM! UNLESS I WIN ALL THE GAMES!
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Im happy, if they say Thanks and I am even happier, if they write any joke.
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When I see a giveaway description say "no thanks comments" or something like that I usually just commet "Ok" and move on.
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Please don't. You're just being rude to the GA creator when you do that.
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I think it's annoying when there are pages of comments that just say "thanks". It's like everyone has become a mindless zombie or a drone and they just do it because so many other people are doing it. It basically takes any meaning away from the comments section and anyone that writes a real comment with something interesting to say probably won't get seen because people don't want to sift through all the pages of comments that just say "thanks".
It also makes the comments counter on your profile pointless. I just clicked on a profile of a person who has been a member here for 5 months (yes 5 months, not years) and he has almost 24,000 comments. I bet at least 23,500 of those comments are "thanks".
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Also, the website stores all these useless posts. I was just looking through some of my older entries and saw a giveaway for DayZ with 792 comments. Do you think the person that gave away this game was happy when he logged in and saw that he had 792 new messages waiting for him? His inbox was basically spammed and if there were any real messages, he probably didn't read them.
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some bots have it encoded, so they don't see like a bots ;p
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Idk I like thoughtful posts, i've met some cool game devs / found great devs in comment sections/discussions
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I write a (hopefully) unique thank you message for each giveaway. I try to associate it somehow to the game given away. Only takes couple seconds which is not that hard work for a possibility to win something I want. If contributor specifically states that no messages should be left for any reason, I merely skip the giveaway. Life is as simple as you make it.
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- I would never blacklist somebody for generic thanks, unless maybe I somehow knew they were using a bot.
- I generally don't mind generic thanks, unless I'm making a bunch of public giveaways that end around the same time.
- I would never demand some kind of special thanks/pic/joke with the threat of a blacklist. Thought I might pose a question and solicit opinions, but again, nothing with punitive consequences.
Your mileage may vary.
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some bots are easy to spot ;) I've got a guy entry 4 GAs and post comments and all read for me posted 25 seconds ago ;) even if you write extremely fast and are a master of keyboard, it's impossible to write thank you 4 times, change tab 4 times and enter 4 GAs in 1 single second ;)
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I always type something in my description in the likes of: Any comments other than thank you are welcome. I don't appreciate a simple thank you in my giveaway, but I am not mad at it either. I just want people to save time and not type it. I think blacklisting is ok if it clearly states in the description: SAY THANK YOU AND GET BLACKLISTED. I mean, you enter one's GA, instead of typing thank you, take the time and read the description goddamit.
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Everyone should take this approach
Though I kinda have a problem with the edit - comments like SAY THANK YOU AND GET BLACKLISTED are kinda offensive to normal people. It's like I'm just having a calm fun day entering GAs, thanking people, and someone randomly yells at me.
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GA creator is the one paying his own hard earned money for a game, while GA entrants pay just with free imaginary points. What GA creator wishes for and feels like shoul thus always come first before what entrants wishes for and feels like.
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oh, ok - so anyone creating any GA other than a private GA means he does no longer deserve any, even the slightest, dose of respect from ppl entering it?
And tell me - how is 10$ someone paid for a game for private GA less valuable than 10$ someone paid for a game for public GA? As to my argument you reply with "well, it\'s for private GAs only". The Ga creator deserves the same amount of respect from me - doesn't matter if he made a public lvl 1 GA or private forum puzzle GA. I may prefer one type of GAs over another, but it doesn't change the fact that any contributor deserves the same nonetheless.
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But it also doesn't mean the entrants should be assumed to be criminals (well bots); some genuine folks deserve some respect too. I mean you probably have a bigger say in this argument since you've been here longer and given away more games, but idk, just my opinion I guess
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nowhere did I say it automatically means they are bots. but if you write "don't say thanks in the comments, write anything else, for example potato" and someone writes thanks - it does not indicate that he is a bot, but it at least indicate that he didn't bother to read the description at all ;p And not reading descriptions is a problem - for example I won't count how many times I've seen for example pack GAs with rules "don't enter just for DLCs" or "don't enter if you own more than XYZ" and shitloads of ppl entering nonetheless. They then win, have to be rerolled, GA creator has locked slot until reroll happens, support have more unnecessary work, keeping them away from dealing with other serious issues, basically everybody lose, just because ppl can't be bother to spend a single second of their precious time to be bothered with reading description. So yes - weeding this ppl out is a good thing. And such a rule is excellent way to do so.
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Basically for me it all comes down to something like a stop and search for no reason - I wouldn't mind if it didn't happen too often, but it seems that's not the case. Everyone is assumed to be a bot until proven otherwise. Instead of negative reinforcement, why not add people who follow instructions to your whitelist (instead of blacklisting those who don't).
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one should not be whitelisted solely because he's not breaking the rules. Whitelist is a reward for ppl who in some aspects for you rise above average, who you really like. And following rules? Anyone should follow rules by definition. SG community rules - because he's part of this community. GA creator rules - because of plain respect - someone paid his hard earned cash to create GA for strangers - if someone cannot respect that even a little - he well deserve being blacklisted.
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I don't think that one should also be impolite while doing so. I'm sure that if the sg community thought some of these absurd rules were relevant, admins would have added support for them
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Saying "If you don't follow the rules you will get blacklisted" is not impolite. It's simply informative and that's all.
If someone would write "Do not comment! If you do comment you're a fucking faggot and your sorry ass will get balcklisted. Go die in hell arsehole!" - that would be impolite. Yet I have still to see aomething like that. All I've seen so far is just asking not to comment and legit warning that if you do you will get balcklisted. There's nothing impolite about this.
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My main gripe is with people who post something like A GENERIC THANKS AND YOU ARE BLACKLISTED
I don't like getting yelled at :3
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they are not yelling at you. They suiply make sure that their description has better visibility for ppl who look through GA for a fraction of a sec before entering.
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But the interwebz have taught me that caps lock means yelling :/
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These are not rules, these are requests.
To me it doesn't seem unfair that someone would blacklist users that do not comply with such a simple request from the person who gives them the opportunity to win free games.
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and these "absurd" rules as you call them were allowed for a long long time, heck support would even approve rerolls if an entrant didn't follow preapproved rules - it's only suddenly changed and they are no longer allowed. But not because they're being seen as absurd, but because support team lacks in members, and dealing with a lot of additional rerolls slows support work even further. But attitude to blacklist instead of reroll was proposed and promoted by support member who was announcing this change himself. So sorry, but you are wrong here.
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Preapproved rules, Im guessing they had to be reviewed by someone first. Nowadays it's stuff like if you don't have a cat, you're blacklisted.
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you created a topic about "comment / don't comment or get blacklisted" rules. Not about "own a cat or get blacklisted" rules.
And comment / don't comment / comment on certain topic or your win will be rerolled were rules approved almost by default.
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I'm almost never say thanks or anything on a giveaway, except in the ones I see that kind of message. In those I always put a big fat thank you.
I'm surely getting blacklisted to oblivion for that, but honestly, I don't care at all.
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Seriously, I don't understand your problem. Someone is giving away a game for free ... is it really to much to ask to comply whatever rules they'd add in their description? Sometimes these requests are strange, I've seen a guy who required, the winner to add him and steam and play the game together, which is not even enforceable by SG rules, still I usually try to follow their request, or simply do not enter, especially when it's something as simple as asking me to not post "thank you". If there's a commercial giveaway somewhere, like a company, giving away a copy of game, if you "like" them on facebook, you don't go and rant about their rules either.
I personally do it all the time, when I create a giveaway, I ask people to refrain from adding mindless and boring comments with "thank you". I usually also give them some task instead, like provide a fact about their country, tell a joke, participate in a chain story, or (my most successful task yet) write down a recipe for their favorite food. Also, I am fine with somebody entering without any comment at all. In general, this kinda of giveaways got me a lot of positive feedback, and it's a lot more fun for every than just reading over a list of thank yous, whether they're sincere or not. And yes, I tend to blacklist those, who, for whatever reason (being bots most likely) still don't get it, but they've been warned, I think that's only fair.
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Just outlined my problem a post or two above. And there are plenty of others (myself included) who don't post these silly things. Oh and I'm actually not blacklisting anyone who doesn't follow my ridiculous description lol. I guess my gripe is that people on the internet are too aggressive, but I guess it's the internet.
Oh and the reason why I don't mind those commercial giveaways is because their tone is much more polite as opposed to threatening descriptions
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No, the problem is that people think that everything should be free these days. If I create a giveaway, my "price" is, that I ask people read the description and refrain from posting thanks. I don't think it's too much to ask. In fact, it's less complicated than "liking" some stupid facebook page. I try to phrase it politely, but for fairness sake I feel like it should be pointed out that that the consequences for not complying are getting blacklisted. Obviously I can speak only for myself, but if others phrase it more bluntly, I would still argue "their giveaway their rules".
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If it's a polite request not to say anything then that doesn't bug me at all and I'll comply.
If it comes with a threat of being blacklisted then it depends on what sort of mood I'm in or even how it was written. On the days it does bug me I don't blacklist them in return or post something anyway, I just don't don't enter.
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the problem is that if you ask politely to follow some rule of yours a lot of ppl will ignore it. When you inform that breaking the rules may end up with blacklisting (and in good old times even with a reroll) - suddenly much higher % of userbase seems to follow the rules.
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this is the reason why I don't write so much anymore in the comments of giveaways I enter :)
personally I don't mind what people write. and why the fuck should a person be bothered from a "thanks" ...
But I can understand it, if someone don't want any comments at all, because of the notifications.
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It annoys the hell out of me whenever I see a giveaway and the description says something like "post thanks and you go into my blacklist or something". I mean for the most part, I don't have time to sit around thinking oh I wonder what kind of non-generic thanks I should post. At that point, I just enter and move on without commenting. But like sometimes it's automatic - I mean whenever I see a giveaway, my first reaction is "Thanks" (if I think it's a cool game) or "THANKS SO MUCH!!!" (if it's some game I've been dying to win). I understand that they don't want auto entries, but what about normal folks?
Thoughts (don't think I'm in anyone's blacklist, just bugged out by this)?
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/dPIa0/verdun
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