What I find hilarious is that review-bombing is probably one of the primary reasons publishers and developers want to get off Steam and join Epic Games. You're just giving them one more reason why they shouldn't put their games on Steam.
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So perhaps this is the ultimate test of whether Epic's lower cut & minimum sales guarantees for exclusives makes up the difference in whatever sales are "lost" by review bombing haters of Epic exclusives or Epic's platform in general.
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Look, i'm think bombing review is a bad thing to do... But, there is another way to show your insastifaction with the Publisher? Only make questions, like i said, i think it's wrong, but apparently it's the only way to appears in community like this, or we're not talking about this here and in anothers forums.
For me, Epic paying Publisher to make theirs games exclusives is wrong. Publisher when agree with this, is wrong too! When Users making Bombing reviews are wrong too!
Bombing BL1/2/PRE SEQUEL is a way people find to bombards the Publisher and epic games.
And some people are talking about of a thing like "In epic games, the games will be more cheaper, because Publisher have more gains and less taxs" So, the price for me, is the same or more higher even! So, why the Publisher are selling their souls for the devil?
The Exclusive Dirty Money!
Games are being more and more expensives, and more more bring expensives DLCS, more paid content, more loot boxs, more ways to take out your Money, Steam is greed you say? Okay! But Greed like this publishers? Ah!
The Age when a publishers makes a game to be played is pass out, like Shadow of the Colossus, is a máster piece of art! Only little developers, like indies are making glorius games with all theirs efforts! Like the Hollow Knight: Silksong and the pre sequel, cheap games, but make with love!
So think about the Greed Publisher and the Epic Devil's Tentation, and the Indie Games Lovers.
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The best way to show your dissatisfaction ABOUT BL3 is to BOYCOTT BL3. Not review-bomb BL 1, BL 2, Presequel, or the place where Randy Pitchford eats lunch. When I look at reviews for a game, I want to see whether or not THAT GAME is worth my money, not whether or not some people are annoyed with the developer over some completely unrelated thing.
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"For me, Epic paying Publisher to make theirs games exclusives is wrong. Publisher when agree with this, is wrong too! When Users making Bombing reviews are wrong too!"
I don't think this is wrong, there's no way this can be wrong. They created a product, they can sell as they wish, where they want, exclusive or not LOL
I didn't like it either, but they aren't wrong, two different things, I don't like, but they aren't wrong.
I agree with robilar5500, if we aren't happy with that, we shouldn't buy their games. Low profit > Negative reviews
And about good developers, you should mention Stardew Valley and Enter the Gungeon too, they sold a lot, updated a lot, NO PAID DLC... I love developers like that, I don't care about paying more for a game like that (I really hate to pay for DLC ;-; but one of my fav games is full of them - 100% Orange Juice)
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Like i said, i don't like to review bombing. Wrong in the sense of "It's a bad thing to do" or "It's not a good action"
Steam now is cut off the review bombing from the scoreboard, but show the reviews, so the game continues to show "Very good game" and so the reviews bombing show the insastifaction.
No buying the game you certanly boicote, but don't allard someone else. So, i think steam take the right action: Correct the system of review, and don't shutup the users!
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Steam reviews were a nice idea but from the moment it was implemented it got abused.
So far there aren't yet any games that are exclusive on other platforms that really interest me, all nice games are still on Steam. But I already quit buying games that charge way too much money (except CKII, CKII is expensive but the best in it's genre) and that are the ones that are exclusive and most of the time not even worth trying looking at Ubisoft, Activision, EA (Day 1 DLC, Season Pass, Skins, lootboxes, etc.). There are still tons of good games on steam that you can buy for a really cheap price and that still hold up.
TL;DR Don't Buy Borderlands 3, buy something else.
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One of the main reasons I dont like Epic store is the lack of reviews. I rely on them for a lot of my purchases.
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This is true, although it comes handy to read them directly on Steam, and legit negative reviews are the best way to get all possible flaws which are even more interesting than all the positive aspects.
I also watch gameplay videos and wouldn't rely on only one source. ;)
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Yes I agree, most journalistic sources tend to gloss over flaws or compatibility issues etc, but even a short 1 line review of 'does not work in Win10' is so very helpful when making a purchasing decision.
I take it with a grain of salt of course, check the date, do some additional research, etc...
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Yea but maybe I am lazy and like them all compiled in one place. I don't care to follow streamers and journalists don't usually have the same tastes as I do, so I look for specific types of wordings to see if a game might interest me.
Ultimately word of mouth I value more but I wish I didn't. For example, I bought Dawn of Man on a recommendation of a friend who ranted and raved how much better than Banished it was. In short, its not even close to being as good as Banished in my opinion and if I read some Steam reviews I would have seen that.
I do agree that reviews can be found everywhere but I do like having them on the storefront that I consider purchasing them. =)
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you should have only posted the last paragraph. other paragraphs are rubbish!
good writing is concise and to the point. also "unfair to Borderlands" is a silly statement.
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Silly or not, truth is truth.
Also no, posting only the last paragraph would completely change the meaning of the whole post. Context is very important.
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I think it is stupid to review bomb and waste to time, but it is not unfair. You cannot be unfair to a game.
So not truth.
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Lmao. Are YOU the one who isn't taking it easy? Because there is nothing here to assume I am. Are You triggered?
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Epic cant, but 2K, for sure can force any of its subsidiaries to do whatever they feel like.
Though i don't give a damn about the game, here is a friendly reminder that the more people abuse the review system for non game related issues, the closer valve is, to remove reviews completely
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You seem mad. So you came here to rant and show your displeasure because it's one of the few things you could do that others would read. Now imagine a mod coming and deleting this thread. You would feel silenced, and people don't like to feel silenced.
Apparently million dollar companies need to be "defended" by nobodies on the internet. I happen to despise "Brand Loyalty", but I feel it should at least be able to go both ways. People would be silenced on forums so they are taking the only other path that they can where they (were) heard. But I guess a faceless company still needs defending.
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It's not "faceless company needs defending", it's "when I look for reviews of a particular game, I don't want to have to wade through a bunch of spam from people having meltdowns over some completely unrelated thing". Make threads about the issue on messageboards, hammer the publisher with negative emails, bring it to the attention of PC Gamer so they do an article on it, whatever. All those things would actually be relevant. Review-bombing isn't.
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The fact you won't be able to play Borderlands Trilogy (or however to call it with the Presequel and Tales...) on Steam until April 2020 is related to the rest of the series. People should know that if they want to play full series ASAP, then they need to go to other platform(s).
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People who review bomb on more than one occasion should have their ability to review games removed permanently. It might deter people from doing it and destroying the integrity of the review system. Most people don't care about their butthurt reasons for bombing; they just want to know if a game is actually fun to play. It's totally immature and pointless.
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I do not agree with Review Bombing but what is review bombing? Multiple reviews containing the same message? or Reviews that consist of vularities with no context? How about multiple reviews discussing about the same issue/malpractices/business decisions,etc. In this case Epic exclusives, there are other instances such as increase of price for non-early access games overall like Paradox, more to note as devs abandoning a project or kickstarter goals not met, or Bethesda's mod-credits
Review bombing a product that is not available on Steam but will be in 6 months, much less time than other exclusives. Vote with your wallets but I can see why they need a channel to voice their opinion and take notice for. For eg. this is a totally bad review example. This however, is a decent review while voicing their opinion, imho. Personally, I jump to the negative reviews 1st then to the good sometimes not at all. Knowing the negatives of the game will help me determine whether I want to give the game a try rather than the good points.
ps: Are you feeling better now?
Cheers, Cruse~
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A review is a description of the game itself, not about the employees who worked on the game, the developers or the publishers. Anything that describes anything other than the content within the game itself is irrelevant and doesn't belong in the review section. In situations where a publisher has engaged in malpractice, you bring it up on sites like this and on reddit where millions of gamers will see it, even on the Steam forums too. You don't go and destroy the reputation of older games so that new gamers might be turned off getting the same enjoyment out of the game that you did. That's review bombing. They aren't reviews, just butt-hurt rants imo. There's no place for that behaviour.
As a potential buyer, I couldn't give a toss what people think about a game publisher. It's not like they caused deaths of people, or used slave labour to create the games. Those would be genuine cause for boycott and calling for removal of said games from the Steam store would be warranted. The problem is that I use the "positive," "mixed" or "negative" overall scores to make the ultimate decsion on whether or not it might be worth buying. If a game has been review bombed, I might not know, and it's going to affect that decision.
... And I am a lot better thanks. Still not 100%, but it's improving. Have a swelling on my back now that is possibly spinal fluid. It's been a rather shitty few weeks. lol.
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Review Bombing is: (as a title says - Borderlands) -
B1 & B2 & TPS = have always nice and positive review, since ppl like these games and cherish them.
...and suddenly - BAM! a long strike of a bad review saying:
DISLIKE SINCE "%GAME NAME%" * ARE EPIC STORE EXCLUSIVE!!!1
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Well, I'm a reviewer and I think that act is disgusting... BUT people are free.
If they are dumb enough to do that... they are free to be stupid :/
Not fair, but they have their right (and Borderlands franchise is famous, I think it won't affect too much).
People need to read the reviews and know which one is relevant, that solves the problem (if I see a game with mostly negative reviews, but I liked the game, I read a lot and I try to understand why people didn't like, or if the reason they didn't like will affect me)
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Why u report them? Opinion is opinion, always subjective. Ppl can hate game for anything-it's their SUBIECTIVE opinion about game, developer, updates or dlc.
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BUT WHY THE HELL people post negative reviews of GOOD games, harming the franchise more than Epic ever does!?
Evidently this form of protesting and trying to be heard matters more any potential "harm" that could come of negative reviews: Whether harm to the franchise, harming this publisher's chance at bringing another game to Steam, etc.
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My first run in with Steam review bombing was Disgaea 5. People were giving it negative reviews for having p2p sharing and map editor removed. Some complained that the publishers should have mention it before release instead of the day of.
The argument that the reviews are a way to be heard in my opinion is bullshit. A review is a review it means that you consumed a piece of media and are giving your opinion of it as a whole good/bad/inbetween. To do otherwise is unfair to the poor souls out there the buy games solely on reviews. There is a forum for gripes, devs/publishers have an email/twitter/facebook/etc. Go ham on those platforms with your disgust. But the number one way to show them you're not happy is to not buy the game. Way too many of the people bitching had the game, had hours in it, and thus didn't get a refund. So it felt like they dropped 60 bucks on a game, got salty that a few features were MIA, had collective bitch fits, then kept the game because "reasons".
I can imagine this is the similar scenario with Borderlands 3.
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Definitely seems unfair to review bomb Borderlands 1 & 2 over what was (if I remember correctly) the publisher's choice, not the dev's. Especially after they released the enhanced GOTY edition of Borderlands 1 for free to existing owners, including those of us who got it on the cheap from Humble.
To be clear, I don't completely disagree with review-bombing in general, say if a game is fundamentally changed for the worse, but putting negative reviews on otherwise undeserving games doesn't seem like the best way to get things done.
Mad about products going to Epic Games? Don't buy things from them. Less return on investment means they're less likely to continue buying exclusives. Naturally some folks will buy it wherever it shows up first but I'm sure there's also a percentage of people who will complain about it being exclusive to the Epic Games store... then immediately go and buy it there upon release.
Personally, as much as I dislike games being exclusive to Epic for a certain time, my hope is that it eventually inspires Steam to lower the cut they take on sales, keeping Steam relevant in the long-term. How it actually plays out is yet to be seen though, I suppose. As for me, I'll likely continue waiting until they hit Steam or skip them entirely, since my backlog allows for that :)
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Don't care about Borderlands nor have I had money to spend on games for a few years now(except for leftover steam wallet from selling cards, emoticons and other game items) so I haven't bothered to keep track of the whole thing with Epic Store thus can't make a judgment on this case specifically.
However in general if you disagree with a company's decisions then your only actual option is to not buy anything from them(even other potentially unrelated products because that is still giving them money) and spread the message so people know about it and, hopefully, agree with you to do the same. Though there is an argument to be made that buying in a specific way/place can also have impact, I find it iffy since from experience companies would rather double than back down, so as long as they getting money it is dubious whether there will change you seek.
Thus can't say I agree with you in that they are wrong in principle with their actions, though as I said I don't know enough to say whether they are wrong or right in this specific case.
I do think Steam's decision is wrong however and so I would like to thank you for bringing it to my attention so I can change preferences and see actual review score as I always read a spread of reviews anyway to then seek further information on relevant points.
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so if another company commits human right violations by over working employees to the point of mental breakdown, passing out, and/or death we can't review the game poorly? this has already happened a few times byw.
also the only reason they care about reviews is you need to be in the positive to show up on steams front page.
p.s. i already had plans on waiting like a year or more for a complete version because 2k likes to put out to many dlc.
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Due to the lack of places where us, as customers and pc player,have to express ourself, is perfectly undertandable that we use the review system on steam to express our displeasure about the decision made by devs and/or publishers that affect our most beloved video games.
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This is why Steam could do with adding the ability to review developers/publishers.
When a game changes or receives new updates that are not very well received, I kind of support review bombing - though perhaps it could be done with a separate mechanism. However, when a developer or publisher does something unrelated to their past games that people don't like, leaving negative reviews on those past games is really the only way people have to "officially" register their dissatisfaction; it's obviously a desire held by many, so just give people the ability to score them directly, I say.
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Because that is IP or Brand damage for you. One bad product (exclusive hird installment) can hurt the entire franchise. That is how the consumer can assume its control over the final product. Do good games and good distribution or you get your ass kicked.
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i dont see the problem. this 'tactic' harms the publishers and developers... this in term makes them reevaluate if their decisions (that are upsetting consumers - ie their target audience) is WORTH the response they are getting. i genuinely do not see the problem here, as this is one of the VERY few tools consumers have at their disposal to convey their feelings on the business practices of these companies.
and im glad people are starting to use them... we've seen what a sorry state gaming has become thanks to the indifference and silence gamers have been projecting in the past.
from your tantrum in your post, one would almost imagine the ONLY problem you have with this tactic is that you somehow feel that the games feelings are being hurt by negative review scores?
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Okay. So the Borderlands 3 is ex on Epic Fail Store for half a year. We all are mad about it and the anger is justified.
BUT WHY THE HELL people post negative reviews of GOOD games, harming the franchise more than Epic ever does!? Why can't those people understand what they are doing. With posting a review and changing the recent opinion to mostly negative (now it's mixed on TPS and mostly positive in BL1 and 2, but believe me... it was mostly negative few days ago - probably Steam deleted those reviews, as I reported them and probably not only I did), newcomers could think, the game is actually bad and that only fanboys think the games are good. So the newcomer see "mostly negative" and think "maaan, they said it's good, but it seems most people says otherwise". Or they can think that the problem is with some update that changed balance or made bugs. Believe me, people care about the rating subconsciously, even if they are saying otherwise. And not all of them read the review to see what is the reason of the hate. So newcomer would see that the game is bad and won't buy great game.
I understand why are people mad. But posting negative review of other games from the franchise because one is not on the Steam... is like being against abortion, so You just make an abortion of all the friends of the woman that said she is pro abortion. This is the very same logic. Amelia want an abortion, You don't like the decision, so You make all her friends have an abortion, lmao. This is the solution of the problem?
Don't hate Borderlands because what Epic did to it. You can boycott the new game, as I do. I wont' buy it. Even if it comes to Steam probably. I have 2k games on my Steam anyway. Time to play Dark Souls 2 and 3, Witcher franchise and many more. I don't need Borderlands 3.
But even if You don't like 2K, Gearbox, Take Two or Epic Games... it's unfair to do that to Borderlands.
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