Does anyone have an experience with food replacement diets.
I've been on a 5:2 (500/1000 calories) diet, eating 500 cals twice a week and 1000 cals the rest of the week. Been mainly on soups and fruit, started eating porridge because my fibre was low I guess, blah blah. Lost 30lbs in 2-3 months, but not really moved any weight this last month, mainly fluctuating up and down 3lbs day to day.
I've spoken to my doctor about changing my diet to something, well better? and they suggested a food replacement diet, I'd be looking at around 450 calories a day, and be just drinking the sachet of whatever powder and water all day.
Wondering if its difficult to give up food? I've pretty much given up tasty food as it is, there is only so much soup you can eat before its tasteless to you. So I think changing what liquid I am scoffing down daily hopefully won't be that hard. Just wondering if anyone has any more experience with a similar diet.

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just thought id leave this here.

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I am going to go eat a bunch of spare tires.

I WILL BE IMMORTAL!

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500/1000? Breathing alone takes more, it's insane idea.

Sweetheart, move a lot. Go jogging, stretch, maybe loan a bicycle once spring starts. You're just dehydrating yourself at this point. You need vitamins, you need muscle mass to live like a human being. Doing spartan diet unless advised by your doctor is dangerous and can eventually kill you.

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Well all diets require you dropping below your bmr anyway, but as long as you are taking in 18% of your brm a day (for me around 400 cals) you shouldn't die (inb4 I die).

Everyone suggests exercise... I just don't wanna D:

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Unless you NEVER get up and do anything, eating at strict BMR would give you a deficit. Just vacuuming, or fetching the mail, or sitting on the couch watching TV uses more energy.

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This is true, which is why its bmr*activity (1.2 I'm saying for me), and then I guess its 18% of that number, either way it is around 400 cals as the minimum I can eat.

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What what what what what what.

Don't EVER drop below your basal metabolic rate. EVER.

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Exercise. Many people swear by it. Personally, I'm restarting P90 in a few days.

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Isn't that for men?

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Exercise is for everyone. p90, while geared towards men as far as marketing is concerned, is just as applicable to women.

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PPG113 is correct, P90 is mostly for muscle building. My girlfriend swears by the Tracy Anderson Method. She started by watching the videos online then went onto Metamorphasis and is currently working on Continuity. She likes the exercises because they allow 1 day of eating whatever you want. Whats the point of working out if you cant enjoy yourself after?

I recommend documenting progress to keep you motivated.

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I weigh myself twice a day, document what I eat (calories and fat content) and monitor my water intake/outake to check on dehydration.

I'll have a look at Tracy Anderson, but actual exercise is my downfall, I have all the willpower in the world to eat nothing and be done with it, but exercise? -shudder-

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The first week is the worst, just put yourself on a schedule and your body will get used to it. I recommend doing lots of videos before moving onto the complicated dances. Eventually you'll workout to your own music. Just hype yourself up before working out and keep yourself motivated.

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Please don't weigh yourself so frequently. It's misleading, and doesn't mean anything. People naturally fluctuate in weight over the course of a week, or in one day depending on how full you are when weighed, or how much you're momentarily carrying in the trunk.

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Keto, eat bacon, lose fat.

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diets

lol

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You just eat one of those vitamin pills and you're good to go.

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Do this and the diet will become a diet.

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Eat something really really gross, but first take pictures of it and cover all your junk/unhealthy food in those pictures(Tape, glue, whatever works), only leaving the real healthy stuff visible.

Seriously though: I am not much of help but I will try, eating mostly fish(Think you might have said you were a vegetarian once before....if so skip the fish I suppose), vegetables, beans, and the occasional fruit(Will help you stay away from sweets, the bad kind, not the natural sugar kind thats ok once in a while.) should be good enough, might not lose the pounds super fast but at least you will feel content and not hungry throughout the day. After a while you will probably get use to eating like this and will keep at a steady weight which in reality is better then going on a super insane diet only to bounce right back to your old habits ruining all your progress. Also go for a morning run everyday, make it a habit.

I would not calorie count if I was you, will probably drive you mad. Thats just how I see it though...I would go nuts.

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i forget to eat most of the times .. so cant say i really feel you :/

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this isn't a diet, that's starving yourself.

given the fact that your daily caloric burn is already higher than your intake. which is the reason for that weight loss.
you already noticed the wall, it's your body telling you "hey need food you know?!" it triggered into it's defense stance.
since your metabolism isn't getting any better and your muscles get weaker.
you will feel less energetic and more tired since you don't have enough of the needed stuff like sugars, vitamins, proteins, carbs etc.. for your body to recover proper.

finding a way to reduce something that's already low isn't good idea imo.
i would suggest that you will consider of working out. build a stable and proper diet without cutting too much that will only damage your body in the long run.
let's say your body now burns 1500 calories and you eat 500. that's 1000. but yet your body isn't getting any stronger or healthier.
while on a 45mins workout of cardio you will burn 600 calories and will make your muscle stronger after they recover which will increase your metabolism which will increase your daily burn.

workout > stronger muscle > burn more calories > win > cake.

this isn't an easy step to take, since you would need to change your life style. but if you're not happy with it now that's the way.

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You could be vegan. People whine about how they could never give up cheese, but cheese is one of the more fattening things in the diet. Really the best things to eat are fruits and veggies.

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Except when you need iron, or zink, or vitamin D, or vitamin B12. Being vegan is just slowly killing yourself.

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nuts.

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Centrum Complete. From A to Zinc, as they say.

Broccoli contains calcium. So does spinach, but not in a form accessible by the human digestive system.

Zinc is found in nuts. So is iron. Toasted nuts give up more of their minerals when digested. Same rule applies to grains or beans when soaked.

Vitamin D is created in the body if you're exposed to sunlight. If you're indoors 99% of the time, then vitamin D becomes an issue.

B12 is an issue. It's rarely found in plant matter. Bacteria that produce B12 are found in beef. Vegans will only steadily find it in contaminated vegetables or in supplements.

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The problem with iron and zink is not that there is not enough of them in plants, rather that they either of some different kind than what you organism need or that there is something that reduces the ability to digest it fully. Not to mention broccoli, spinach and especially soaked beans taste kind of tasteless, then leave a bad aftertastelessness.

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I'm a fan of beans with mustard. I have an aunt who only uses beans she soaks herself. She'll soak four pounds of navy/kidney and give the extended family bad gas for a week.

To me, broccoli has too strong of a taste. I'll freeze it, remove the florets, and use them like a seasoning in a soup or pasta sauce.

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wtf.....is wrong with people

im guessing your doctor is a little quacky

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Without knowing your weight or body type, it is hard to say what sort of achievement your weight loss is. I know for me, when I actually wanted to lose weight, it was slow going the first three or four months, but then it went rather rapidly and I stopped, went back to consuming normal. That said, my brother in law used body by vi and it really worked for him. He had to shed pounds because of a back surgery.

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If screwing with input isn't doing it for you have you tried the output slider? maybe you don't want to or don't have time for more exercise, but that isn't the only thing calories are used for. How are you with cold? in some environments it can take a ridiculous amount of calories just to maintain bodyheat. So what if you turn down the heat in your house so you need more to stay warm?

That way you can burn calories passively while gaming. just drop it to 60 or so(less of a drop and it probably won't help much), maybe lower if you're like me and prefer the cold anyway.

Bonus is it also saves oil so you can buy even more games.(see what you can accomplish by cutting out "necessities"? for bonus points sell your blankets and sleep nude(you'll get used to it). Get a new graphics card with the money saved not buying expensive foods that are crap at being foods(taste and calorie count)) or heating your home. I mean yeah, keeping it low enough it makes that much difference probably isn't good for you long term but neither is exercise(treadmills are terrible for your knees for example, (and I'm betting that cartilage negative is stronger than being slightly chilled))

Do not steal this. I shall market it as dr gannet's miracle diet. LOSE WEIGHT! SAVE MONEY! DO NOTHING!(actually I can't, stole it from nbc puffpiece already but that won't really stop me sending spam about it, (it wasn't really their idea anyway they just recycled carter's gas ration sweater crap with a new spin on it to trick people into being greener(and for carter greenness was only to trick you dealing with his mini recession gas thing so really I feel I can claim it as my own anyway as I'm probably the first to suggest it without an ulterior motive) to lose weight(but to make me feel better about suggesting it please find something else to do to burn oil or otherwise harm the environment so as not to be greener, and spend whatever little money saved on games so I'm not one of those tighten your belt sorts making excuses "we don't wear enough sweaters, we keep our houses too warm, we overuse airconditioning, we should eat more rice and grasshoppers" no. this is suggested purely for utility and to stick it to the jerks that put that little running guy on my food pyramid after turning it sideways and then into a piechart plate. (exorcise part of a balanced diet? wtf? how does one eat exercise? screw you I'll just sit here in the cold and have functioning knees when I'm 60 instead. Conspire to make the cars smaller all you want that'll just make me refuse to carpool(eat a dick environment guys) so I can use both seats. you're not forcing me to be scrawny like europe or china))))

Besides diets just make things worse. by cutting calories too sharply too suddenly you send your body into panic mode where it assumes you're in lean times(like a bad harvest or maybe the hunting/fishing dried up), as soon as your diet is over and you eat well again it'll start squirreling away extra calories in case it happens again.

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tldr
turn down temperature so you magically burn calories just chillin and being a mammal. this lets you eat more than soup maybe. but not sure how low you'd have to go, probably at least 60.

Diets like that actually increase weight gain when you go off them,

(and exercise may be bad for joints if you do too much too often of a single type)

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You wanna say TL;DR? Look at the next post!

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I'll collapse with that diet. My brain uses a lot of energy that after my 2 math subject Ill be immediately hungry

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DANGER! LONG POST!

I tend to write novels randomly. This is one of them. Remember that you should research everything you consider trying, as there are no provable doctors present.

Feel free to reply with tl;dr.

The only two rules of weight loss, the only two that -always- works unless you're dead, is to eat better and exercise more. A crash diet, or a starvation diet (yours) is a bad idea. It usually ends up with feeling hungry all the time, having no energy, a weak immune system so you get sick more often, and a lowered metabolism which means everything you do will burn fewer calories than it used to.

As long as you get enough exercise, you don't need to worry too much about calories. For zero exercise, a lowfat 1000 is probably a good spot to aim. But you won't lose much fat. It'll be muscle atrophy (shrinkage) mostly. As an extreme example, some bodybuilders and olympians may consume more than 4,000 calories per day and not gain any weight since they're exercising enough.

500 calories per day is very low. Taking in 1200-1500 is a good starting point if you're exercising and taking a complete vitamin/mineral suppliment to take care of any dietary needs you're missing, which is very common for people who either don't like veggies (me) or are just really picky (me again). Don't worry all that much about carbohydrates unless they're from sugar, but do try to avoid reaching the RDA %. You -will- want to burn off any carbs you take in, because unspent energy gets converted into body fat. Look for fat-free sources of protein, as this breaks down slowly into energy through the entire day. You won't feel hungry as often.

I'd make sure to get at least 30 minutes of cardio before lunch. Another 30 before dinner. My preferred exercise is the elliptical machine. No impact, and works all leg and back muscles the whole 30 minutes. Includes arms if your machine has those 'ski pole' handles. Some light pushups and situps to slim down arm and belly fat. Don't worry about doing X number at minimum, since you'll slowly build muscle and it'll become easier over time.

I find cardio or aerobics to be the highest calorie burner for me. As long as you raise your heart rate enough, it counts as cardio. Keep your heart rate in a certain range for a minimum length of time to really benefit. This range varies between each person, based on age, weight, height, health, etc. My range is 110 to 125. Most people my age should aim for around 130 to 160. Ask your doctor for your specific number.

Run in place. Stand up and spread your feet apart, then put them back together, alternating quickly, holding a wall or chair for balance if you need to. Lay in bed and pretend like you're biking really fast. Sit at the computer and pump your hands from shoulder to ceiling as quick as you can, if your legs get sore easily. Literally anything that raises your heart rate high enough for long enough (no hyperventilating) counts. You're improving your heart strength and oxygen efficiency, which will make other forms of exercise easier.

To easily monitor heart rate, there are some options. You can get a halter monitor, which straps tightly to the chest. You center a sensor over the heart, and the device picks up the rythym. I've seen setups where this is wirelessly transmitted to a wrist device or to a computer. I've seen a heart monitor ring, but this can be awkward if you don't want to stop moving. The easiest method relies on using an exercise machine that has a heart monitor built in. Much of the time, this is the two metal spots on an otherwise 100% plastic handrail or handle. Touch each hand to a panel, and the machine can pick up your rythym. If you have to rely on putting your fingers to a vein, you'll eventually be able to estimate what your heart rate is after five or ten seconds of feeling your pulse.


My frequent daily meal plan


A common breakfast for me is coffee, one egg and two slices of wheat toast with a light amount of trans-fat-free margarine for breakfast. The egg yolk has all of the egg's saturated fat. Remove some or all of it if you like, but you should be fine as long as other sat fat sources are minimal. This breakfast has protein, carbs, fiber, and vitamins from whatever juice you choose. I'm an orange juice or cranberry fan myself. The wider the variety of nutrient sources you consume per meal, the more satisfying the meal will be for its size.

Lunch is a turkey/spinach/mustard sandwich like I mentioned above. I use honey mustard, since I found that most of them have only one difference from common yellow mustard, and thatis a small amount of sugar. It goes all too well with turkey. This sandwich provides more protein and fiber, plus iron from the spinach. Good for muscle. The leaner the meat, the more you can afford to add to the sandwich without adding much fat. You'll get a lot of long-term energy from all the protein. Lightly fry the meat if you want to remove some of the added spice mixture, but take note that turkey dries out really fast. It doesn't take long. Use a minimal amount of olive oil for pan greasing.

Consider very thinly sliced apples on a sandwich, or avocado (not guacamole). I've seen that alf-alfa sprouts are popular for a light crunch and not much taste. For veggies you like the taste of, but not the texture, freeze them and crush them. This breaks up the texture, possibly enough so you can't even detect it other than taste. Broccoli and spinach work very well here. A light amount of chili powder is nice too, even in amounts light enough to be a background flavor, but it's hard to evenly distribute if you can't handle much. Either mix it into lowfat mayo, or use red pepper flakes instead.

Dinner is 1/2 to 1 cup pasta, with either tomato sauce (seasoned with whatever herbs/peppers I feel like that evening) or tossed in a light bit of olive oil. Boil the pasta in about 5 cups of water, and add enough salt to fill a spoon you normally eat with. The salt is added because the pasta sucks in water as it cooks, which includes whatever flavoring you add to the water. This can be chicken bullion cubes instead if you prefer, which means you'll use less salt since the chicken flavor will help out. Whatever you use, don't add much salt until you figure out what your preferred minimum is. Start small. Whatever the pasta absorbs can't be removed. It doesn't take much salt to make plain pasta taste surprisingly great. Try using some rosemary, thyme, oregano, basil, coriander, etc. Experiment and find out which flavors you like together. Rosemary is earthy, basil is sweet, things like that. I find olive oil, rosemary, basil, and black pepper to be a good combo without sauce. I know someone who likes adding halved, lightly roasted cherry tomatoes in. Just cut them in half, squish them a little in a hot frying pan, and take them out just as they start blackening. Removing the skin is optional, but if you're doing that, blacken them enough so the skin falls/slides off easily. Might as well use roma tomatoes at this point, and nothing wrong with that either.

I estimate these three meals at around 1600 calories total if you're staying close to the serving size suggested on the container. If you're getting a lot of calorie-burning exercise each day, you can increase your caloric intake to whatever you have the ability to burn off through exercise.


Additional food ideas


Look at nutrition labels on your favorite foods. Examine the fat content, particularly the saturated fat. Compare the two. Figure out how many of item A equals item B in saturated fats. As an example, my favorite frozen breaded chicken patties versus my local brand of frozen chimichangas. Three patties per single chimichanga. Another example, miniature peanut butter cups compared to a 16-ounce tub of non-lowfat/nonfat cottage cheese. Just nine of these little peanut butter cups that are no larger than a Hershey's Kiss, are equal to the entire 16-ounce tub. Calorie count is another story, but we're just making a single-statistic comparison here.

Compare labels of store brands to national brands. Price is not the only difference. Half the time, the store brand is less healthy for you.

Try some of the 'healthy eating nutjob isle' items in the supermarket. Some are surprising. Write down some product names and search youtube for recipe videos. Tofu and polenta are surprisingly versatile.

If you need to start slowly with replacing bad eating habits with healthier ones, substitute one part of a dish with a healthier alternative. Feeling full quickly is mostly about filling the space. If you can replace unhealthy items with healthy items and not notice the taste/texture difference, you should do so. If you like mashed potatoes or mac n cheese, replace a portion of either with finely mashed cauliflower. Cauliflower does not have much taste, so it fits into any dish with a smooshy or squishy texture. Fan of chips and cheese dip? Figure out if you like the taste of different veggies covered in cheese sauce. It's still unhealthy, but not as much so. You'll slowly learn to appreciate the taste of the veggie alongside of, or in place of, the dip. Baby steps.

Ideally, water should be your primary drink. Bottled water is an excellent option if your local water doesn't taste good. Fluoride won't hurt you, but you can definitely taste the chlorine (BLEACH) if they needed to add that much to kill the bacteria in your local water supply. Different manufacturers of bottled water will flavor their water with different minerals. Magnesium, salt, and niacin are popular. Many people consider pure water (distilled) to have a bad taste, which I theorize may be due to becoming accustomed to sugar/salt in your drinks. Avoid having alcohol and soft drinks. Breaks down into, or contains, high amounts of sugar. Keep a bottle/jug/gallon of water next to your home computer if you're always there. Habitual soda drinkers are often drinking to drink, not for thirst. Flavored water works well, too. Many flavored waters are carbonated, which may help to break a soda addiction. Also consider water flavorings, such as MiO or Crystal Light.

Bananas are an anytime snack. A bit of fiber, plus we have potassium in here. Good for sore muscles and recovering from that pain in your legs/sides from low oxygen. Great snack immediately after situps. If you don't like the taste, maybe it's because of how the outside (just after peeling) tastes. Slice it down the middle, longways. They taste better when the cut side is on your tongue instead of the dry white side.

Unsalted or lightly salted nuts are also good. They contain that so-called 'good cholesterol' but watch the calories. Deceptively high. Some varieties of nuts are high in fat, so watch for that.

Hard candies are also a great item, if you need a sugar fix. They last a long time, make your stomach feel like it's being slowly filled, and your mouth stays busy. All the while, your stomach avoids being stretched, which means it's slowly shrinking involume, making you require less food to feel full. Make sure it's hard candy, such as starlight mints or butterscotch discs. Cough drops count, too. You're consuming 0-30 calories per hard candy depending on variety/brand. If it takes you at least 10 minutes to consume each hard candy, then the max calories you can consume per hour is 180. This is like taking an hour to finish a 12-ounce can of soda.

Try an artificial sweetner. Most people like the taste of at least one of them. For some people, an artificial sweetner may taste sweeter than an equal amount of sugar. Equal, Sweet & Low, Splenda, Truvia, others of course exist. "Sugar In The Raw" is no better than normal sugar. It might even be worse. If you don't like them, just use sugar sparingly. Bear in mind that if a grill/oven recipe asks for sugar, it almost always must use sugar, no substitutions.

You can adapt anyone's ideas to suit your own tastes. I like to browse recipe websites and see what spices people combine in the highest rated dishes.

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Did you do all this or you copy paste from somewhere?

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Adapted it from a few text files I wrote for myself when forming my own dietary rules.

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The length of this post makes me suspicious. Fortix, where are you?

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Have you gotten a second opinion? Seen a nutritionist? Cutting more isn't going to help at this point if your body has entered starvation mode. Your metabolism is going to get worse and then you'll be stuck at this weight loss plateau. Exercise, even as resistant as you seem to be to it, is likely the one thing that can help you. The human body is simply not meant to subsist on so little. Calorie restriction is one thing, starvation diets are another thing altogether. Your doctor doesn't sound like they're doing you any favors and before you continue down this road, I URGE you to seek a second medical opinion and see a certified nutritionist.

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this

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+1

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Food replacement diets are extreme from what friends have told me. Watch what you eat + work out an exercise routine so you can safely lose the weight. If there's a gym nearby, go for it. The hardest part will be trying to get this routine started, but it's worth it. Believe me.

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please listen to the suggestions in this thread. Your diet may have you lose some weight but in a really unhealthy way, and studies have shown that dieting this way is a sure way to not only make yourself miserable and less healthy, but also more likely to gain that weight + more when you stop it.

It takes longer to lose weight but the best way is to eat better more greens, fruits, veggies, nuts, cut down
on processed and fatty foods, and don't have meat be the staple of every meal, especially red meat. Stick with chicken, turkey, or fish instead. And exercise! Doesn't have to be anything too strenuous at first, do a set amount of cardio a day, like 10-15 min at first, and then add 2-5 minute increments when you feel like its more doable. Lift weights too, that is very important, no matter what gender you are, even if its just light stuff. Going hard at the gym/ a new workout is a sure way to burn out quickly and not want to do it. If possible find a physical activity you really enjoy and do that a little bit every day, like biking, hiking, dancing, swimming, yoga, etc. Don't take it super seriously, have fun with it, learn to cook new foods yourself, don't care what other people think, and make sure you fall into these good habits.

edit: read more of the thread, saw you didnt want to exercise. Sorry, but you have to do a little something, even just throwing a frisbee around for a bit with a friend. Just keeping track of your intake/outtake of calories and maintaining a sizable deficit like you're doing will do two things; 1) make you lose a ton of muscle, maybe even more than fat, which is very bad if you are trying to lose weight, because 2) your body will recognize this and has an evolutionary response to interpret it as scarcity of resources, meaning you'll end up eating more without even realizing it, and fattier foods at that.

tl;dr: You have to eat right and exercise some, making a large calorie deficit is not the answer and never will be

also jesus christ see a new doctor immediately, that one is seriously misguided if he is recommending this.

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This.

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As many people with eating disorders will can confirm, nicotine stops you from feeling hungry. So if you take up smoking, it will be much easier for you to eat a lot less and get a calorie deficit that way.

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Going from a bad diet to a good one is how you lose pounds. I've lost 10 pounds in a week just doing that with no exercise. It has nothing to do with calories unless you're trying to make your body eat itself instead of your 'body fat', which is much different than your 'body weight'. What you mentioned simply destroys your metabolism, making it more difficult for you to lose 'fat' (your focus should be on that and not 'weight') because calorie deprivation puts your body into starvation/survival mode to hold onto every last calorie. If you don't want to exercise, just focus on keeping your metabolism high through diet and nutrition. It's just easier to lose weight with exercise, but not necessary. Also, find a new doctor. Your current one sounds like **** if he wouldn't recommend you to a real nutritionist. I'm sure there's a real giveaway somewhere and this is all fake, but I cba to find it. -.-

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I did this diet twice for 1 month and I lost 10kg the first time. The second time I omitted the fruit day and even then I lost about 8kg. No starvation, you can eat basically everything (even cake!) and you still lose weight :)
Edit: on days where the dinner is the same as the lunch only eat 2/3 of what you ate for lunch

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if you lower your metabolism, you will be a loser all your life. Just think you can enjoy food and a high metabolism without gaining weight, only healthy eating. That to prevent weight gain and keep eating normally.
Now, to lose you already have, just do some sport.

When you realize, you will have a healthy weight, a strong and healthy body, and more important, you will keep eating large amounts of food of all kinds, without gaining weight.

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I can kind of relate with this,i jog in the morning and do exercises in the evening,i'm a pretty active person,and i really eat whatever i like.I really don't know how could you live in such a restraining way.I only hope you'll be happy when you finish,and you'll be satisfied!

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What legitimate doctor would recommend a food replacement diet? It's not remotely healthy.

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I've lost nearly 4 stone over just under a year on this. You don't have to join, you can find all the information online if you know where to look :)

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Just live off of whiskey and/or tequila. It's always worked for me.

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