Indie Gala Store is just a normal store but Crazy machines was sold in a bundle through Indie Gala Store.
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Well I see amazon selling packs, from the same developer/publisher (almost like some steam packs). Those IG bundles with games from different developers/publishers. Also you can't beat the average on amazon deals
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One does not simply add things to the bundle list.
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The only explanation that I can imagine which makes sense is that there is now no accurate way of determining when the first Indie Gala Store sales took place. They have repeated the Crazy Machines bundle in particular three or four times now, and it was only after the second time that it started to gain recognition as a source for point farming among people here. There is to my knowledge no site that keeps track of Indie Gala Store sales in the same way as indie game bundles, so there is no good, fair way of determining how far back to set the point at which the game took on bundle value.
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I've kept quiet on this because I'm a live and let live sort but I have to speak up.
Okay, Crazy Machines, not on bundle list, everyone besides those who farmed the shit out of it want it on the bundle list. Maybe it's too difficult because we don't know when the first sale happened? In which case look for the massive spike in giveaways on the graph and cut it from there.
If that would upset too many people, surely there must be a way to manually cut its value to what it should rightfully be! No more than $1. Because NOBODY is paying full price for that game.
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I bought a bundle for myself, the first time I saw it, which was on February 16th. I remember the site getting flooded after that and everyone making a big deal out of it. I tend to sit on stuff like that for about a half second, so it probably came out that day. I don't remember it being in that bundle prior to that, though it has been since.
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I'm not sure you could count that, then. I remember the outrage going on around the time that I bought mine. Here is a thread from that time. Obviously Galastore has had more than one bundle that people feel should be counted. Difficult situation for all sides.
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If it was public nope. You can't add extraneous rules to public giveaways.
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I do this on all my private giveaways. I checked with support first just to make sure and I was told it's fine.
When i give away with high CV it's to reward those who made this site what it is by giving away good games and earning their CV fairly, not farming :)
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If you want to do something, convince GalaStore and others to place limits on how many of the lower bundles can be bought. That would easily solve the problem, here. Unless people wanted to make 30 accounts and then you could just block by Paypal account or card.
I wrote them back in February with:
"I would like to offer a suggestion for your future bundles. What I just witnessed was a massive amount of $1 game grabs, which I thought at first was no big deal. I figured you had as many keys as you wanted, so life would be pretty. This turned out to not be true, as the giveaway and trade grabbers clearly wrecked your supply.
Anyway, my suggestion is a limit of one per customer. You could make it so that you had one $1 purchase, but you can buy unlimited (Or a set amount of) the higher limit. You could even have it be that only one bundle gets the discount that comes with buying games or using GalaPoints, that way if they want to keep buying bundles, they have to pay. Without a doubt, the limit of one $1 bundle should be in place. You could keep it going after the expiration date if you have keys left.
I just feel like a lot of customers got screwed out of this and that it would be in your best interest to win over as many customers as possible. I think a lot of people came looking for those bundles, only to find out that two of them were already gone due to this and that the higher tier games in the bundle were available, still, for more money.
I was lucky I got all the bundles. I just feel bad for those that didn't. I mean other than a little drm free or mixed drm ,your bundles are quite good. I like Steam games and I like your bundles. I want you guys to get bigger and to do that, you may have to put in some limitations."
and they responded with:
"Thank you very much for the suggestion, you have a good point there. For the moment we're working on getting more keys and re-open the mini-bundles, then we'll see what we can do."
Now, did they do anything? No... But I am only one person. If you really want change, cut this stuff off at the source. It isn't like they benefited that much from all those $1 bundles being bought. People ignored the better, money making, more expensive purchases. It isn't good business when you quickly sell out of items and you aren't even selling the ones that actually bring you good money. Customers were showing up looking for that stuff and it was all gone after like a day and a half. If sites placed better limits on the really cheap stuff, then forced people to buy the more expensive if they want more copies, I think that would help everyone out.
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Why do you think the GalaStore would give a shit? They want to sell as many as possible. They couldn't care less about how it impacts Steamgifts.
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Yes, I am sure they want to sell out of the $1 keys and not have anyone spend money on the $4-$5 ones. That makes way more sense. I'm sure they raked on those $1 keys.
Edit: I feel this needs to be added:
At no point did I mention to them how it impacted SteamGifts and it also was a suggestion to limit the $1 ones. Yes, I mentioned giveaways, but only so they would understand where the $1 items were going. If you think that is a bad business practice, fine, but at least get what I said right.
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They READDED the bundle several times after they sold out completely, so I don't really think they mind.
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Actually, after their bundles sell out, they add the higher games there, as other sales. Only they price them too high and no one buys them. They may not care how many times they give out the same $1 games, but at the same time, they seem to be selling none of the higher ones. I think they just keep restocking the $1 ones, until they sell out. If you think that is turning a huge profit, more power to you. The higher parts of their bundles just don't sell.
My only suggestion to them was to limit the $1 ones, to force the choice of buying the bigger bundles. At least they would be making some actual money.
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You're assuming people would want to buy at a higher price.
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I wouldn't be any more right or wrong than assuming they wouldn't. My point is that if people wanted to farm the games and they could only buy a single $1 copy, but they could buy unlimited full bundles, I believe they would be more inclined to buy the full bundles. They would not buy as much, but the profit would be higher. I also wrote that when they were quickly running out of their bundles and people were complaining that they were missing them.
With the main farmers backing off the crazy machines stuff, a bit, it isn't as relevant. What happens when the next big bundle hits that has everyone buying the $1 ones? They will be at it all over again.
I'm not going to assume that Indie Gala is a great business. I have been watching them long enough to know they are lacking quite a bit. Maybe I am wrong, but maybe I am not. I just can't imagine any scenario where selling a bunch of $1 items and having it block sales of higher priced ones, when they run out, is actually good business. If you are running a sale, you are supposed to have a product that serves as a lead in to other products. If everyone buys only the product that is dirt cheap that you are taking a loss or barely making anything off from, then you aren't making much money.
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Care to indulge on why it hasn't been added yet? There is no logical explanation other than "because CG hasn't added it". Unless you're trying to imply that cg doesn't care about what the community thinks and will simply do what he feels is best as we've been complaining for months with no result.
Next Tuesday should show us whether there is rhyme and rhythm to the recent additions or whether they were simply drawn from a hat.
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bobofatt is just a lowly angel trainee. We need access to the archangels, who have Go -- cg's ear.
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As was noted, this is hardly a polarizing issue; it seems like the vast majority of the community is in agreement that it should be classified as bundled. Why not just do it? Consistency be damned. Certainly it is at cg's discretion to make a one-time call. There's a member who has generated more than $1,650 from almost entirely Crazy Machines giveaways. That's sickening.
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Down with gifters!
At least the ones I don't like.
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They make not want it done out of self interest, but I'm reasonably certain they would also understand if it were moved to bundled status.
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I think you should just cap the maximum number of copies that count towards one's CV. I don't know what would be the appropriate number so that it doesn't affect legit gifters, but 10-20 should be more than enough to give proper gifters enough room and even if it doesn't eliminate the problem completely, it would at least limit the amount of CV that can be farmed to a few hundred dollars, not thousands like some are farming now.
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Currently, Crazy Machines 2 and Crazy Machines Elements are on the bundle list, but not Crazy Machines and Crazy Machines 1.5. These are from a 'Pay whay you want' 3 months old bundle from Indie Gala Store (you could get both with 0.99 $), so I agree they should be added in the bundle list.
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At the very least they've been abused to the point where they should be considered "exploited".
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What sale % off is okay to keep off the bundle list? Crazy Machines bundle was two games valued at $20, able to be purchased at $1; hence, 95% off. The OP himself can attest to purchasing and making giveaways for Amazon bundles on sale at 95% off OR HIGHER. I don't condone "abusing" Crazy Machines bundles - hell, I gave away 5 CM bundles myself - but whoever gave away the bundles did so using their own money.
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Yup i sure did, but i gave away spare games that i already owned or didn't wanted from a single pack.
Hell i don't even think buying 1 pack of Crazy machines bundle to give away is a bad thing, sharing is caring and all that jazz. And if game is as any good as original its even better since we have quality games on giveaways; problem begins when people buy 10 packs or more clearly to abuse the living shit out of system
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It's not a problem with Crazy Machines (or any other game that can be bough cheaply), it's a problem with the contributor system. If there was no incentive to get a sky-high contributor value then not many ppl would try to abuse it.
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My problem is what many people complained about with the weekly sales and other bundles - that it floods the site with those giveaways when the sales happen. I know that I can just decide to filter them with SG+, but it still is a hassle.
Also, I don't think other sales are that bad, simply because they do not repeat a ridiculous number of times. This has been a sale that has come back multiple times and people have obviously been abusing it. In many ways, it has become worse than a normal bundle due to that fact.
The matter of CV farming is also relevant here. People don't flood as much with the bundle games now because of the max you can get with just bundle games. If they bump up their non-bundle cv with crazy machines, they can spam more bundle games to the site without 'losing out' on any points.
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Wow. Check out the list of the week's leading giveaway creators!
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Could any mod spare a minute and tell us why in Cthulhu name it's not added to bundle list? I feel sick to my guts when i see people that got 1k+ value from it...
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