I've already said in the topic that I'm an omega male. You can fight for the girls with other alphas. I'll scavenge around.
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Just ask for the bill, and take out your wallet and start counting. Then, she should say something.
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I have always been quick at grabbing the tab and paying for it. if the person sitting with me appears to disagree, I just start a new conversation, distract her from my hand getting my wallet.
but again, I have been getting lots of bad rep for paying for everything, even at a friend's birthday (yup, somebody broke lots of glasses and I subtly paid the restaurant's owner). I think you should try to understand what kind of person she is then you will know what to do better =)
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If it can help you, i usually pay (or offer to) if i had fun or if i was the one offering the date in the first place. If not i usually split. Even if i do enjoy giving, it's not necessary the healthiest way to start a relationship imo.
But you really shouldn't put too much pressure on yourself, it's no big deal. Do as you feel like. Either way, if she feels offended over a restaurant bill that's doesn't augur well for the future.
Good luck !
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That's my rule of thumb when I go on an unexpected thing, as for example if I meet an acquiantance and have a coffe. If I had a good time I'd pay for it and also if I'm the one explicitally inviting for dinner I'll assume all the costs derived from that (I would expect though similar gestures on their side afterwards)
Thanks for your input.
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the issue doesn't usually come up.
mostly we just skip dinner have sex and then go our separate ways and find our own food. maybe we make plans to meet up and do it again after lunch/dinner. But first(and this is important) you've gotta use this cellphone app to make sure you aren't too closely related. Its hella awkward to meet her a few months later at a reunion... especially if you never managed to catch eachother's names. its such a small island you really ought to check.
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When the bill comes, offer to pay it full and if she offers to pay as well, tell her to split the bill with you. If she really insists on paying then let her.
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As a woman who makes all the money in the household, I would say to offer to pay. If she refuses, split the bill, but it's still common courtesy to at least offer if you are on a date. Especially if you were the one who asked her out.
Anyways, good luck!
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Offer to pay, if she says no, tell her that you'll let her pay the next dinner. It's a win-win situation, yo remain as a gentleman amd also arrange a future plan ;)
Ps: As I am on the phone, i didn't checked the thread, lots of people share my point. ;)
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Don't you consider all this gentleman thing a bit dated behaviour?
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Yes, it's quite "old". But we're spanish, we don't usually go out (when dating, I mean) for dinner and pay Dutch style. If it's with friends is ok, but when you're trying to have another chance, you have to spend money, be gentle, be funny and don't be a jerk.
My gf dislikes the whole "gentleman" thing, so after the beginning of our relation we started to alternate, sometimes she pays, sometimes I pay.
PS: Even if a girl says that she dislikes the dated gentlemen, she will appreciate it. Trust me.
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Last time I had a date she paid for me and I felt poor :P
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Ask "should we split the bill?" If she acts awkward (even though she says yes) lose her. If she seems honest with her "yes" keep her. And if she has another response, lose her too, that tends to have some other thing implied, even if it is a "no, I'll pay".
And remember, if you feel awkward now, paying for the first time, it will only get worse in the future. So better resolve quick.
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And don't you feel like being bought? I mean I won't definitely feel special if someone had to pay everything for me I'm a grown up, independent man. In fact I'd be rather dissapointed if someone didn't let me cover my expenses.
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Well, good job in perpetuating a model of patriarcal oppression in society.
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I think you completely missed the point of the thread. But thanks. I'll try that or running away as soon as she's distracted.
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What about you ask her directly? "I though about paying the dinner, but I was a bit afraid that this could offend you. What do you think?".
Personally I think everybody should just pay their own share. Makes everything easier and, if you wish to buy her a little present, you still can. :)
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it makes things easier all round. besides sometimes if you know somebody else is paying you end up feeling like you should pick something cheaper or worry about picking too cheap and being obvious you're doing that even if the pancakes are exactly what you wanted anyway and all that crap
of course in an ideal world you also wouldn't tip waiters because the'd be paid a living wage like in australia and france and not dependent on handouts, simplifying the meal even further, no worrying about looking cheep/generous, or looking like you're overtipping obviously ect.
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see how the dinner/date goes. you can either do what others suggested and ask her, or you can somewhat insist to pay in a gentle-ish/fun-filled(cant think of the right word lol) manner. there is a bunch of good advice here, got a great community heh. good luck
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I'm pretty anti-feminist, and I don't believe men should be pressured in to chauvinism or feel obligated to pay for anything. I shout my partner dinner about as often as he shouts dinner for me, when we go out together I usually suggest we each pay for our ourselves, but if he insists on paying for mine I let him, and are always sure to thank him. I never expect anyone to pay for me but it does make me feel special to be treated sometimes. :)
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But if I was looking for a trait I rather made a dinner myself and do some cool decoration or something than taking her out to some restaurant (Even if it is a romantic one) Don't you think? I mean if I was the girl I'd appreciate more those kind of gestures than having people straight out paying for my expenses.
Thanks for your answer.
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That's definitely a bigger gesture, and I'm sure a girl would really like having a cute dinner made for her. I think it comes down to how well you know her. If you've known her awhile or you're good friends already, then I'm sure she'd love it. But if you don't know her too well, maybe go out to dinner first, then if things go well you could make her dinner at home another time. If I didn't know a guy very well or had just met him and he invited me to his place for dinner, I'd worry a little that it might be awkward or something.
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Sure. If you invited someone straightaway to your place it might lead to akward situations. But I was trying to say that I would appreciate that 10 times more than getting something somewhere.
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Shit like this is why I hate restrictive gender roles. I like it much better when you're able to communicate with your date to see who wants to pick up the tab and who is able to pay for the meal. It also works if the person asking the other one out pays, regardless of gender. Or just split the ticket every time.
I usually like to split the bill with whoever I'm out with, unless they happen to be a touch broke at the time. Then the one with the most money gets the bill. Unless they're having a birthday, in that case I always pay.
Of course it helps that I like a lot of my dates to consist of fast food pickup, and a meal at home with movies or a game. Or something homemade. Those are both cheap options. :) In the case of eating a home cooked meal, the person hosting usually supplies most of the ingredients, while everyone involved helps to cook 'em. Cooking a meal together is a nice way to bond with your date.
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Offer to pay the bill and if she insists tell her that she will pay the next time. Boom! next date scheduled. if you find yourself to not want to go on a second date and she insists on paying just split it in half. dont let her pay for both.
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Well. So I reciently met this girl I quickly got on well with and we are going to have dinner like some day next week. So now I do have a problem. Should I pay for the dinner? I mean it's not as if I was a cheap person which I am not. But on the other hand, she as an independent women might feel offended if I tried to impose that patriarcal way of acting on her. As to be honest, wouldn't if be somehow like buying her? I mean. It seems more like a trade than a moment to enjoy if I paid.
I mean, I think that the most sensitive thing to do might be to evenly split the cost among us two. But well, it might be violent to raise that topic in the discussion, specially if she's reluctant to pay.
What would you do if you were if my place? And why? Would you let her pay all the meal? split the cost? assume it all by yourself? In wich way does your local customs and/or culture affects that view?
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