The level system is very bad. Because first of all, it encourages RICH people to brag about how they are reach. Also why is rich kids better than non-rich people? Why is someone, who probably earn so many many money better or more entitled to win games, than someone who earn less? This site isn't about showing off how much You earn and how much You can afford to give. It's the site for giving free games for those who wants them.
I really don't believe that high level users are rich, I mean there might be some but it's not most. I myself became level 10 after using the site for 3 years and I can tell you I'm not rich, in fact I would probably consider as being on the low level of income, so you don't have to be rich to get to a higher level. You just need to have a desire to share with others.
Also current system encourages people to give away trash games. or the ones given away for free.
I'm not sure why you think that the site encourage people to give away game they got for free since those usually ends up being put at 0CV so they wouldn't get anything from it?
why You should pay 5000 $ to just have 0,000001% more chance to win a game. Basically... it means that You pay probably 100-500 more than You will ever win in this site. You have to pay that 5000 dollars to BUY those games with 100% chance of getting them. More than You will ever win in Your entire life.
You know you don't even need to level up to win games, I've seen plenty of users with low level that have won over 100 games.
If you here to win more than you give then leveling up to 10 is probably the opposite of what you would want to do.
I got to level 10 only because I enjoy sharing with others, I wasn't actively trying to get there. The site is working because a lot of people enjoy sharing games, it's not suppose to be an investment. If you don't enjoy sharing and are just in it as an investment, then you're probably right, you're better off just buying the games you want. Nobody is force to make giveaways, leveling up is not a requirement to win games on this site, so if you don't think it worth it for you, you're free to do as you wish. I mean like you say all you get is an extra 0,000001% chances than I don't understand what is the issue, just don't level up?
The system is not perfect but it is fair, it's always possible to improve but it's not a bad system.
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5000$ is something I have to work a year to get. I don't believe people will give away so many games to reach that ammount if they are not reach. I wouldn't give away that many in 5 years, maybe even 10 years. Cause it is like giving away most of what You work for. This would be generous, yes, but I am not generous.
Giving away 5k in 3 years is like giving 1/3 of what I worked for. This is extremely much. So anyone who can afford that is rich. Or You are really generous. Or You've bought so many bundles.
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Why won't you get a better job to create AAA GAs to show everyone your generosity?
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Yes but 5 000$ in CV doesn't mean you spent 5 000$ of your money. I mean I would like to think that I'm generous (not just on SG but in in all area of my life) and I try to give game that I think people will enjoy with of course some bundle leftover but I can't afford to buy game full price. If you buy a game at 85% or 90% of the price that hasn't got bundled yet you still get full CV for it. So full CV doesn't mean that people paid full price for a game, if you look around a bit you can find some great game that will give you full CV without having to spent a fortune on it, also you could probably get to level 10 by giving just bundled games, it would just be longer.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that you really don't need to make it to the higher levels to enjoy the site and win great games. Level 10 doesn't have that much giveaway because there's less people and less people making giveaway for it. The only reason to get to level 10 is if you really enjoy sharing games, otherwise you're right it doesn't worth it.
Also I'm really not rich, I have a family of 5 and just my salary to take care of everyone's need. Where I live I'm actually considered as having very low income. The on
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- All giveaway and charity is just bragging of your wealth (or PR) and nothing else, otherwise it would be anonymous.
- Rich people are not better, just getting a bit of reciprocity for what they already given away.
- It cost nothing to get lvl 1 and almost nothing to get lvl 2-3, while you have two or three times the chance to get games.
- Obviously you will give away games that you don't need, the ones you need are used by you.
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- No, not exactly. It would be the best if it was anonymous. But unanonymous doesn't mean that You necessarilty brag about something. Every normal person wants to be appreciated. Otherwise we are saying about ascetics.
- They can afford more for themselves than they gave away, cause 10 lvl gives You actually nothing. But still it's unfair that there is any chance. It's classic pay to win system. People hate it in games, but not in "real life"?
- No, You don't have 3 times the chance to get games. This is all wrong. Why? Because as You said, it's easy. So ANYONE can do it AS EASY as You said. I don't believe in those fake statistics. I bet more of that 0 lvl people are dead accounts already. And You don't get 3 times the chance, cause there is no that many higher lvl givaways. And getting 10 lvl makes You only chance of getting FEW extra giveaways. So You don't get suddenly the same ammount of 10 lvl ga's, as You get e.g. 3 lvl ga's. There is way less them.
- I gave away games I get extra from bundles. It's not generous of me at all. I actually bought games for others like 3-4 times. And that was a real gift from me, not a leftover. Also, even if I would buy games, because I had money, it's still will be using my leftover money to buy games. It's not generous at all.
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- if not anonymous then you (and me and everyone) are bragging, otherwise noone would make his or her lvl one of the most important stat here.
- So you understand, money is good? great.
- Yes, you have three times the chance. Not only the stats say this, personal experience too. There are more lvl 3 giveaways than what i can spend my points, and on average there are way less people in them, than the similar or same lvl 0 ones. Also enough lvl 1 and 2, and still less people, even going from lvl 0 to lvl 1 the amount of people in the GAs drop significantly.
- Giving away what you don't need is generous, giving away what you need is stupid.
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Well, think of it this way. Levels show how much someone has given away, and that they are actively giving back to the community. If we didn't have all the high level gifters who put a lot into the site, it would be pretty barren.
As for your point on it encouraging trash giveaways, that is not the level system's fault. People choose what they want to give away. I am level 5, and I never gave away anything that is trash. It's all leftovers I don't need that someone else can enjoy.
The only thing I would change about the levels system is that they can go down. Some months are better for us than others, so I don't like the idea of losing rank since I couldn't really afford video games or bundles for a month.
Personally, I think the level system has it's purpose.You are free to think differently, but I hope you at least consider my points.
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The problem with "can't go down" is bugs like the Deadelic bundle or wilful exploitation like setting the usd price to 1000 recently can give a massive influx. If there is "no going down" you could easily use those to exploit to level 10 and then don't look back.
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You can separate levels with tiers. Why anyone should get separate giveaways just because he is rich or bought too many bundles? Cause this doesn't have anything with generosity. ANYTHING.
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Speaking about reward for giveaways doesn't have anything with generosity. ANYTHING. And yet you speak about it.
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Should I repeat it and explain what I've said as for 5 yo kid? Cause I don't know what You can't understand.
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I do understand what you wrote, I'm just unsure what you want from some of the points, like saying X is wrong, then going on about everyone needing more X. You are right about multiple small things but fail to incorporate them into a asystem, or even comment.
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The system isn't perfect but it is what is manageable within the resources available and it is fair in the sense that it is applied to everybody equally. I've previously expressed my own issues with the contributor level system and wouldn't mind if it was removed - and I'm saying that as one of the users with the most to lose. That said nobody is forced to pay any attention to it. If you don't feel high level giveaways are fair then don't make them. If you think paying a lot of money to have a slightly higher chance of winning is ludicrous then don't do it. If you feel you should have a 'fair' return on any investment to the site then ratio based groups are the way to go.
I've previously gotten tetchy about users who I've felt are using or abusing the system unfairly but I'm past worrying about it. I can't change the behaviour of others, all I can control is my own behaviour. Behave in the manner you feel is appropriate, be whatever change you want to see - lead by example and if you are so right then hopefully others will follow. Or just go somewhere else if this place is really that unpalatable. Whatever.
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It's not fair at all. Yes. Everyone has to do the same to achieve the same. But poor people are here for winning games, not giving them away. And rich people are rich enough to buy even thousands of copies of AAA games. I've seen people that gave 5000$ to Humle Bundle. They are insanely rich. This money I would afford in about a year. And they just casually can throw it away. This tells something. No. They are not generous. They are insanely rich. This is the only thing You can tell by that.
Also "do good thing" iosn't good advice. If law was about "don't care about the others, just do what You think is right" we would have anarchy and this world would have burned a millenium ago. Because this is definition of anarchy.
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I think you are missing some significant points in what I said. The major one being that whatever you think of 'rich' and 'poor' it doesn't necessarily have much to do with levels here. I know low level users who are richer than me and plenty of high level users who can't afford to do the things you are talking about.
There are plenty of problems with the level system but your rant about rich and poor seems completely besides the point.
I'm not saying 'don't care about others, just do what you think is right'. I've read Aleister Crowley but I'm not a fan. I'm saying if you care about others then do the right thing yourself. If more people just got on with that instead of moaning about other peoples shit then the world would be a better place overnight.
Edit - for clarity I may have been referring to some stuff I posted here. This reply came out of the blue after a week and I may have slightly forgotten exactly what I said where.
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Before someone call me salty loser or something, I say, that I bought the most valuable games by myself, so no, I am not just the one who beg for free games. Also this is the mean of the site. To win FREE games. So basically, You can't be mad at people who want to get games for free. No, You can't. The level system is very bad. Because first of all, it encourages RICH people to brag about how they are reach.
I made it this far... then my interest went poof.
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And now for something that makes much more sense..
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I'm hung over and in general misery. But that put a smile on my face 😂
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To the OP: That's not true, I'm sorry. I have basically no income and have had none for almost 2 years due to inability to work. I'm in debt due to medical expenses too. I still manage to buy some bundles, of which I give away the ones I don't want. Oh and I've bought the odd non-bundle game with wallet funds that I've given away. It doesn't break the bank because I only spend a little. Everyone needs a little entertainment in their lives.
Unwanted bundle games are not necessarily trash. I have given away some pretty good bundle games simply because they weren't games that I'd personally like, but the bundle was otherwise worth it. Other people might LOVE those games that are not my cup of tea. That's what SG is all about... sharing stuff. It's not about giving poor people a chance to win, or rich people a chance to brag. It's about sharing with other people and possibly making a few friends.
You don't have to be mega-rich to give away a few games on SC and rise your level. I will likely never get to level 10, but I'm not here just to win despite my current financial situation. I love winning something, sure, but giving stuff away feels nice too.
Bear in mind that not everyone who is at a low level is poor. They just want to win and don't care about giving anything back. I wouldn't presume anything based on levels.
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Nothing is perfect in this world, but I'd rather have some system than no system at all.
There are some good points you made, but kinda stemming from a biased standpoint. And I understand your frustration, but nothing in this World is free - you pay for it, either with money or with time, sweat, tears, blood and so on...
I really like what you quoted here:
"As the evangellion says (it doesn't matter if You believe or not; that's just the truth told): the richman who gives 1000 gold coins gave less than a poor guy, who gave just one, because that one coin is all he has."
but there are many people gifting games, rather than activating them, who really are generous, regardless of their life status! And we shouldn't make much generalizations either - I have met the most toxic people on this site, and one of the best people you could EVER meet and we'd be friends forever (hopefully).
Some people will blacklist me becuase they like to blacklist (or for whatever reason) - in the past I was afraid of sharing my opinion and being sincere because people judged me for pretty much just existing. Once I asked to be whitelisted by a GA creator because he had Alien Isolation GA running that I couldn't enter - I promised to return the whitelist (and was going to giveaway games near that time) but people laughed at my simple request and blacklisted me for wanting 1 game so much. What happened? My enthusiasm faded and I made a giveaway event way after. I bought Alient Isolation and I didn't play it. Because it reminded me of me being blacklisted and I will probably never play the game. But I learned that there are many haters who will see my profile and incredible luck (with my endless dedication of entering Giveaways almost every 30 minutes) and blacklist me even if I don't post comments. And I have won some pretty neat games, before after my 2nd win I begun mostly entering wishlisted GAs and the thousand-copy mass ones. Now I am only on wishlist giveaways. I haven't really bought computer games since 2016, with a few minor exceptions last month for a few games costing no more than 1 euro (totalling 5 euro).
I really can't afford for games for at least 10 more years as I have a debt.
I diverted a lot there, but wanted to share my story, much like OP did.
What I mostly wanted to say is, there are a lot of traders, re-sellers and exploiters here and everywhere else, and with a system that is giving away stuff, there will always be exploitability. So, rather than ranting about the bad stuff, enjoy life, your friends, your games and cherish the good on the site, the charities involved (with SteamGifts topics, HumbleBundle and such, plus other charities) - focus on the good people here and what they do, not on the bad. Plus you visiting this site and giving games is like your payment (not exactly, or not entirely and definitely not necessarily) your tax for the Staff members who run this site and make it a better place.
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Buy games with high replay value -or you can always pirate games if you are that poor. Spending money on games when you don't have the resources is having the wrong priorities. Also this isn't some gambling site, you can't just expect to profit by gifting. Try to reconsider the meaning of gifting something. If you are doing it for your personal gain, it's probably not for you. And if you are still looking for a way to reach a high level, just buy bundles and give the games you don't want away like most people. You can think about gifting high value games after you have excess money and a stable income.
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I think the level system works fine and is one of the best things here.
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But what is best of it, it would encourage people to NOT use bots and enter any random giveaway. Why so? Because You wouldn't like to lose a bonus chance to get NieR: Automata, because You've won Ghost Dog's Mapple Pie: The Reckoning. You would rather wait for something better, then just win random stuff.
And then you win your Near A Tomato and goveaway creator says "sorry, I accidentally redeemed the key, would you agree to delete giveaway?
And you either agree and get nothing, or disagree and get nothing (+blacklist and curses for being a jerk). And all your system broken.
Aaaand... the system should make bonus chance higher for games You've wishlisted.
Aaaand there is a script to wishlist all games in steam. Not to mention that AAA games are wishlisted almost by everyone, so it will end with "everyone has a higher chance" situation. That's nonsense.
But what is best of it, it would encourage people to NOT use bots
Ridiculous. That will be a heaven for bots. With your system, the more you enter - the bigger chance to win you get. So, bots will win MUCH more with this system. it does not matters if they will win trash, over time they will still win good games, and that means you will get less good games, because those are limited. You are literally suggesting to increase chances for bots.
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The level system is very bad. Because first of all, it encourages RICH people to brag about how they are reach
Bold of you to assume higher leves are rich..
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So basically, You can't be mad at people who want to get games for free. No, You can't.
Yes I can. You're not my boss!
The level system is very bad. Because first of all, it encourages RICH people to brag about how they are reach.
First of all, I'm not rich. I'm not poor, but I'm also not rich. Second of all, I've not really seen what you're describing happen, even when I really was a poor student with very little in the way of disposable income I never found this to be true.
But the main problem is... why You should pay 5000 $ to just have 0,000001% more chance to win a game. Basically... it means that You pay probably 100-500 more than You will ever win in this site. You have to pay that 5000 dollars to BUY those games with 100% chance of getting them. More than You will ever win in Your entire life.
This actually seems to be a good thing. It means that while you get a small reward for giving away games (access to a few more giveaways) it's actually a really bad "investment". You give away games because you want to, not because you're expecting to earn as much (or more) back in return!
Also current system encourages people to give away trash games. or the ones given away for free. Or from bundles. So instead giving away games You think they are cool, You just give whatever You have unneeded, probably some leftover from Bundle or other crappy deal. It's okay when they are good games. But what if they are just random crap? And that's the case usually.
Games give away for free gives 0 contributor value, so the current system does not encourage you to give away those. What the current system really does is encourage you to give away games that are sold at high discounts, but high enough to reach the bundle threshold. And yes, I fully admit that that's something I've done as well, given away games that were heavily discounted (but heavily discounted is not the same as trash, there are plenty of great games that have got high discounts). The system also encourages you to dump leftover keys on SG, which does result in a fare bit of trash, yes, but the most efficient way to level up, apart from buying a few stupidly "good" dollar bundles, is mostly to give away heavily discounted games.
What would fix the issue? "Desperation" system. Or whatever You call it. Every time You didn't win the giveaway, You get slightly higher chance to win in next one. When You finally win the game, the bonus is reset. Why is it better? First, everyone has the same chances and rewards people who are less lucky to finally win a game. It could be mixed with how long You didn't win a game. Some kind of algorithm.
This would result in your wins to be less "streaky", meaning you'll earn a roughly even number of games over time, you'll even more rarely get super lucky and win several games from the same train, but it would still encourage people to enter for the most things. The only time it would matter is if you've been really unlucky and built up a high win-chance, then you would just enter for things you really want/high value things. it would really solve nothing though, other than remove longer winning or losing streaks. Semi-random systems like that has been used in other places, like orlygifts, and it really did not have the effect you describe.
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It's called incentivizing the givers. If you don't incentivize givers you won't see any giveaways on this site. And this site will be dead.
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I'm nowhere near of being rich but I see this site as a place to give. Winning is just a bonus. I appreciate other people's GA even if it doesn't mean they had to give up something else to give them as I did.
Maybe if you cared more about what you can give, rather than what you can get, you'll be happier here.
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says the person who has won more than he's given... XD
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Well I can't argue that. But I said it already: I sometimes have to give up on something I want to giveaway games so you can see I don't really have much extra money and the fact that I don't care if I win as long as I can give sometime
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Yup..site is a scam..You won how much games? 159 vs 152 you gifted...i sent 188 to only win 97... HUR HUR, scam site. Some people just gifts because they want. You know...i don't win always, and im pretty sure that almost 50% or 70% of the best giveaways are given in GROUPS private giveaways that i can't enter because im not a known person..or internal people giveaways... And you know what? i don't care. I don't aprove that, so i try to do giveaways for everyone when i can. And don't think about winning games myself, i gift when i can, if i win is a plus and it really makes me happy. But i prefer making people like you that hoard giveaways happy.
Or maybe im just unlucky " Overall, you've been unlucky, and won 4 fewer gifts than estimated since you first joined."
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i don't understand how it works.. you won more than me xD
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Ah, that has nothing to do with luck. Or well... not as much as you think.
It appears to be calculated by the number of entries you've made vs the number of wins since joining. If you enter a lot of high entry giveaways with 1000s of entrants, you're more than likely not going to win, so that red number is going to be a lot higher. I've seen someone with very few wins, lots of giveaways and a positive luck per month because he didn't enter that many.
So basically, the more conservative you are about what you enter, (do I really want, and what are my chances of winning it) the better your luck per month will look.
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You are so triggered. First, I never said anything about scam. Don't add things on Your own. This is childish behavior. Second, are You mad? Cause it looks like it. Also who cares how many games I have won. Are You jelous? Cause it pretty sounds like it. And even if it did matter, I have won some random games, while I at least halfly gave away rathger good ones, with some being even best games that have ever been created. Dark Souls, Ori, Hollow Knight and more. So don't go full trigger just because You are wrong.
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You are so triggered.
Says the guy bumping his own petty complaint thread by snarkily replying to week old comments.
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He is just mad. let it be. I feel sorry for people that thinks the way he does. I feel even more sorry when i see all the time he wastes entering every giveaway he sees to win a game.
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I am mad? Because he got all angry? Because he offended me? Because he couldn't stand someone else's opinion. No, definitely I am not the one who is mad here :)
And I see You are mad too. "I feel sorry, oh my gaaaawd, that he enters all giveaways he sees". I never did that. And the fact You said that is the proof You have no argument in the discussion, You want just to discredit me for NO. SINGLE. REASON. Because You can't stand my point of view. You can't stand that I don't think like You. THIS is sad :)
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yes. im soooo mad.. so angry... i better stop feeding the troll. Good luck. <3
Hope you win more games
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No. I just said what I think. You got super mad at me saying bs. And I don't cvare if it is week old or half of the century old. I didn't read it before, cause I didn't care. But I made a giveaway and people replied "thanks", so I accidently looked at it. And I can feel Your butt having pain of the life. Cause it's You who are angry, who got problem here. Not me. You assaulted me with false accusations, cause it's only thing You can do. You can only offend people. Snarkily replying? No, I just told the truth. How mad You get because of that is not my business :)
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Second, are You mad? Cause it looks like it.
Gaslighting others is a despicable character trait and you seem to practice it a lot in this discussion board. Apart from being rude and provocative, some might say you're projecting your own mental problem. You may consider that aspect too.
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I was not forced to pay 5K bucks to get the most out of the site, I just took the keys from the game developers in order to promote their games and their group, so I raised 10-lvl-this is not prohibited by the site and does not violate its rules by raising the level I did not notice any special bonuses most good games plays from 1 to 7 levels the other levels are either empty without giveaways, or they are extremely low quality 1-5 dollars in value. Good games are played on them very rarely, but still happens. for example a couple of days ago on the 7th level, I won
The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing Anthology and was very happy. Because this pack has been my wishlist for a long time. I want to say that the site does not give you power over the games in cases of reaching the maximum level, you just get a chance to win the game you want to extraterrestrial from the level, everything is decided by luck, it makes no sense to complain about the injustice of the site. In my opinion SG is a way to try my luck and he copes with it, demanding more from him is a crime.
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Before someone call me salty loser or something, I say, that I bought the most valuable games by myself, so no, I am not just the one who beg for free games. Also this is the mean of the site. To win FREE games. So basically, You can't be mad at people who want to get games for free. No, You can't.
The level system is very bad. Because first of all, it encourages RICH people to brag about how they are reach. Also why is rich kids better than non-rich people? Why is someone, who probably earn so many many money better or more entitled to win games, than someone who earn less? This site isn't about showing off how much You earn and how much You can afford to give. It's the site for giving free games for those who wants them.
But the main problem is... why You should pay 5000 $ to just have 0,000001% more chance to win a game. Basically... it means that You pay probably 100-500 more than You will ever win in this site. You have to pay that 5000 dollars to BUY those games with 100% chance of getting them. More than You will ever win in Your entire life.
Also current system encourages people to give away trash games. or the ones given away for free. Or from bundles. So instead giving away games You think they are cool, You just give whatever You have unneeded, probably some leftover from Bundle or other crappy deal. It's okay when they are good games. But what if they are just random crap? And that's the case usually.
What would fix the issue? "Desperation" system. Or whatever You call it. Every time You didn't win the giveaway, You get slightly higher chance to win in next one. When You finally win the game, the bonus is reset. Why is it better? First, everyone has the same chances and rewards people who are less lucky to finally win a game. It could be mixed with how long You didn't win a game. Some kind of algorithm.
But what is best of it, it would encourage people to NOT use bots and enter any random giveaway. Why so? Because You wouldn't like to lose a bonus chance to get NieR: Automata, because You've won Ghost Dog's Mapple Pie: The Reckoning. You would rather wait for something better, then just win random stuff.
Aaaand... the system should make bonus chance higher for games You've wishlisted. I know, people can add whatever to their wishlists. But most of them don't want to have trashlist instead of wishlist. They add many games, but rather not games that they are completely random.
So, tl;dr:
Levels are bad, cause they encourage to brag about Your status and people give any trash, because of that. Desperation system would make people want to win something, they really want, cause it gives bonus chance of winning and is reset when You win... even if You've won a trash game. So people would keep the bonus to win better games.
I feel that people will hate me so much. Just because I have an opinion, that prolly differs from theirs. But whatever.
PS Being rich and giving away expensive stuff isn't being generous. Cause You just give leftovers of Your money. Giving away things when You have less, that's generosity. As the evangellion says (it doesn't matter if You believe or not; that's just the truth told): the richman who gives 1000 gold coins gave less than a poor guy, who gave just one, because that one coin is all he has.
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