No. No.
n/a
I don't like mind-altering drugs if I can avoid them, plus that shit is expensive. I'll drink alcohol (legally) but never to the point where I lose control of myself. Your mind is the one thing that's really YOU, I don't get why people want to alter that.
No. As long as it doesn't negatively affect me, people can do whatever the fuck they want.
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I have smoked it several times before but I have no intention of doing so again. The high isnt very enjoyable for me, I tend to simply zone out until its worn off for the most part.
I have no issue with anyone else smoking it though and I support legalization for a few different reasons.
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How long until we see a thread asking if you look at child porn? We can clearly discuss anything even if it's illegal in the majority of the world!
Now before you jump on me with some unintelligent rebuttal, the OP is in Italy where the laws state that marijuana consumption is illegal. You could argue that since some countries have legalized it, you should be allowed to discuss it, but the same can be said about child pornography as there are countries without laws against it.
tl;dr - Why is this still open even after support member(s) have posted?
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I assumed it was an attempt at rebutting that I simply did not fully understand.
I'm not even going to bother explaining as I'm pretty sure most people should be able to grasp the message I was trying to convey. The responses are also good for a cheap laugh, so I don't want anyone to miss out!
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I don't understand if you're for or against the thread.
You say "We can clearly discuss anything even if it's illegal in the majority of the world," but then you seem to say we shouldn't. Sarcasm can't really be seen in text, so I'm assuming it was sarcasm, but I honestly don't understand. Your comments are so snarky, but KaOtiC made a fair point. It really isn't against the law to discuss things that are illegal.
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Talk about a straw man... How you can compare a plant to child porn?
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It does not offend most people's sensibilities, it is a healthy political debate, and weed use is not a disgusting act committed directly against others. In terms of legal punishment pot use is a slap on the wrist in many places compared to being a registered sex offender that likely will be unable to get a job or housing. For example there is a sex offender (some offenses included children) who moved back to where I live while on parole and he had to turn himself in to the police because all the places that he could legally live refused to have him as a tenant. I am not pro-pot as my post above indicates, and it isn't like we are talking about where to get it or actively condoning it.
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Fun fact: discussing something is not the same as participating in that activity or even enabling it. It's not like people are posting links to places to make illegal purchases or otherwise violate or circumvent any laws. Just because you dislike a topic of conversation doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. I don't think you're even remotely aware of how lightly I moderate the forum by policy, that being informed by cg's wishes.
If I was going to shut this thread down, it would be because every second post I see is completely fucking idiotic and I don't have the time or inclination to explain to everyone posting why they're wrong or how incredibly ignorant they are. This whole thread is a lure for dumbfucks and I wish I'd never even opened it now.
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I completely agree with the second part of your statement.
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wbarton lol your right,
Must be challenging to be a member of support, Having to remove comments for stupidity and then explaining to that said person why it was stupid. When the thought originated from an individuals brain, who when typing the statement obviously created the illusion of an intellectual fact and will continue to do so despite any efforts made.
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The way I see it though, if there were any group of people on this site that we should be looking up to as a role model it would be support. You may not be openly advocating it, but you've stated that you believe it's only illegal due to the lobbying by law enforcement agencies, pharmaceutical companies and alcohol companies which makes your stance pretty clear.
Quite frankly, I agree with that idea and if it wasn't so easy to grow, then it would already be government controlled, taxed and sold legally.
I must say though, I imagine if a normal user referred to someone as "completely fucking idiotic", they'd be risking a suspension yet you just called half the thread that! lol
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For the record, I personally oppose keeping any product or service in an illicit state with the exception of a situation where it is itself illegal apart from any commercial activity (e.g., murder). Trying to legally prohibit gambling, drugs, prostitution, or any other vice for which there is a demand simply creates a black market for it, which funds organized crime and results in higher-cost products/services which may be dangerously uncontrolled, not to mention the additional strain on the government's legal machinery, jails and prisons, etc.. In short, trying to legislate vice out of existence has little to no positive effect and numerous negative consequences. It's a matter of simple common sense. Unfortunately, it's not in the best interests of those who are making a killing from the way things are, so things are changing very slowly, if at all.
And as far as my remarks, they weren't directed at anyone in particular, and even if they were, I simply will not suspend anyone for insults, inflammatory remarks, or almost anything said in the forum unless it gets really extreme. I take an extremely light hand in the forum since conversations with cg seem to have indicated that's how he wants it. He thinks people should be able to express opinions and disagree, even if it leads to some rudeness, insults, flaming, etc.. About the worst I'm liable to do in most cases is maybe shut down a thread. Of course, I don't speak for all the other moderators, either, and, while most of them aren't particularly heavy-handed either, I suspect I'm close to, if not the most, lenient in terms of forum moderation at this point.
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Not smoked anything, ever. And I never plan on doing so either. Not done any drugs (except prescription medicines) and don't plan on starting.
Do you hate people who do smoke? Yes, and that goes for people who smoke cigarettes as well. It's a fucking disgusting habit and I'm glad that the UK out ruled smoking in enclosed public places / enclosed places of work (pubs / shops / public transport etc.)
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no but if I did I'de watch My Little Pony afterwards to see what would happen with the colors in the show.. that would be interesting, the show is interesting enough to me, if I take weed I imagine it'd be like an acid trip.
but I can't even take it, it'll make me sick because of my asthma and I don't want to take it, I'll admnit that would be fun though
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Exactly, like an acid trip. Weed is far from acid. or would you be on an acid trip from alcohol too?
In my opinion, it is relatively the same as alcohol. Most of the unhealthy part comes from excessive use of it, just like with alcoholics. It has the potential to screw your social life up.
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Nope, never tried it. Neither with smoking, or other legal or illegal highs.
My logic is this:
If I don't like it, it'll have been a waste of time and/or money, and/or I'll have risked getting into legal strife.
If I DO like it, then all of the above, for a far longer time frame. I have better things to do with my money.
If other people wanna do it, no skin off of my nose. The moment it encroaches on my rights then we DO have a problem though. I object to criminal organisations being funded by this crap, and addicts performing burglaries and other crimes to fund their habits. It might be a common joke about stoned drivers driving slower than normal but it's still a road hazard. Grow and consume your own, and stay off the road, and I have no issues with you.
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Yep, most of the problems I would have would be taken care of. I'm Dutch (though not living there) and I believe more drug problems there are caused by tourists than locals (though that's just something I heard, would be interesting to see actual stats). I believe it can be regulated, taxed, and be no more harmful than alcohol or tobacco. Probably less than either really.
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Well, I still live there. In a city which makes the national news rather often because of it, Maastricht. :)
And no, I don't think people do burglaries for it, as it is too relatively cheap. And mosty of the tourists that get here also don't cause problems. Most problems are created by the fact that foreigersn may not enter coffeeshops and are forced to buy of the rather aggressive dealers hanging arond those shops.
If you're a local, you know which ones to avoid and which ones are cool, but not as a foreigner. And I really believe those drugsrunners are the main problem it creates.
Also, for some reason, most of those dealers that cause problems, tend to be from other city, just here to push their crap. And they try to sell the heavier drugs, as it gives more profit. Selling 10 gram of weed, probablt at about 7 euro a gram, is not that profiotable, and a lot of competition, as there are a real lot of people who can get you weed. Selling a couple of grams of coke is.
So I really believe legalizing it would make a huge difference, also legalizing it for foreigners. You would get rid of the big meeting between people who want to buy drugs and the pushers who will try to sell you as much as possible (other stuff).
Dealing of (hard)drugs will always be there, and I'm not really pro or against legalizing other drugs (they do actually have quite a bed effect on your body) but weed really is the one that should be legalizewd in my opinion. On par with alcohol.
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Here in NZ binge drinking has become the national sport. The amount of social harm it causes is literally incalculable. There is no way to work out how much damage it causes, to the health system, to welfare, children's development, crime, road accidents, assaults, homicide, domestic violence etc etc.
So adding yet another legal drug might simply add to the problem. Hard to know. Sure, people who already do it might become less of a problem, but people who corrently don't do it might become more of a problem.
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no, i've never smoked.
i don't hate those that smoke. i only view them as weak.
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Because smoking kills and corpses always lose in arm wrestling.
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No and no. Don't plan to smoke weed because I hate smoking in general. I do support legalization though.
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This shi@ produces cancer, smoke everything makes you a mainstream smoke, you are on way to develop cancer at 40 times more than a person who dont smoke, Bob Marley fortunatly dont produces the cancer but someday you ask why bob marley have a deep voice?, this shi@ its dangerous and more about the ppl who modify it, rat poison, shi@ and that stuff, some dudes says this alucinogen plant dont do a shi@ and its good for you but have more about the info on internet, you cant prove its 100% real, if the ppl legit it its not for free smoke at the stupid teenagers, its for medicinal propouses like someone who have a leg pain, a pain of hell :P, its a alucinogen thing 50% to experiment with another substances if you are stupid, more to develop deep voice and continius smoking may conduce to a lungs disease and some problems about food in the future.
Think in the future :D... you want to stay on a fckng oxygen machine of shi@ at your 40 age :)
In resume 1 roll of juana its like 2 cigarretes :D
for some ppl this its blame and they will continue saying... Jesus smokes this ohhh yea, i want to be like Bob Marley :)
its your life, you choose how to control it, if want to live at 40 years old, nice or at least healthy.
This info its from a friend, not from mine, he smoke a lot and he one day say, i dont want this shi@ anymoar, he have his reasons i think but im impressed how he left all the drugs in just 1 week, :O so fckng awesome and he inspire me to say, all the fckng stuff about OH! I CANT LEFT TOBACOO, OHHH DRUGS CONTROL ME its bullsh@@ because if you want left drugs you will do.
i dont say we need to hate all the ppl who smoke it, no its just their decisions, if they want smoke its their decision of do it, no one can change that, some ppl who smoke this are awesome, other no, just people with another point of view of life.
Regards :D
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dont known how to explain but all is in your mind, i mean you are there because you want to, :(
i dont think ppl smoke cigarretes just for that, ive see lots of videos of teenagers saying its for peer pressure, stupid things who i just laugh, a person smoke because they want to but consequences, what they saying, ahhhh i just want to smoke... i dont care when i have 30 - 40 years old, i dont care if i have children or a wife, i dont care if i get cancer, i die and i left my family at his luck, really dont be stupid, if you stay on a drug problem its because you want to, no one say... cmon drug, do it, maybe in some extreme situations this apply... like your father of friends abuse you for do it but cmon, ive seen a lot of people who can tell the history with better words, and yes, its bullshi@, just that, because if you go drugs and you are a bastard maybe you got a disease you probably left the pain to your family, friends and another persons around you, the society of today, most of it sucks, most part of world sucks right now and i suck too for write this crude words but its part of the true.
PD: when you go drugs, you dont feel the starting effects because you are on the drug effect so you dont care but imagine go to drugs without pleasure feeling for one time, that shi@ kill you with the first dosis :)
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Obviously there are many reasons why someone would start smoking but that doesnt change the fact that there are chemicals in cigarettes that are addictive. You dont just decide to quit addictive substances, you have to force yourself to quit every day, sometimes for the rest of your life. Some drugs you cant just quit it and walk away, the chemical dependency is so great that its dangerous to your health to stop so suddenly. Addiction is a lot more complicated than you make it out to be.
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Are you talking about cigarettes or weed?
I honestly can't tell if you're trolling.
What's 'a alucinogen'? Rat poison? What?
Elaborate pl0x.
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weed, modified weed, alucinogen, weed its an alucinogen plant.
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Do you smoke it? Occasionally.
Is it legal? No, but it's not illegal to smoke either (or rather, you can not get busted for it).
Why do I do it? To relax, or have some fun with some friends. Pretty much the same way I drink a beer occasionally.
Do I hate people who smoke it? No. Neither will I say people who don't smoke it should do so.
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it's illegal to sell
you must be an authorized dealer (i.e.: medical uses)
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Yes. No.
When I was able to smoke it (I can't afford it anymore, fixed income! >_<) it helped a lot with the terrible migraines that I get. (Migraines that last weeks/months at a time, SERIOUSLY! :( )
Anyone that hates someone for simply smoking weed sounds like a self righteous douche bag to me... >_>
Marijuana has NEVER killed anyone...
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"Marijuana has NEVER killed anyone..." <- except those who:
1) abused it heavy in short time
2) used them for a long time
take it from me, I have a buried friend because of that
and yeah, I know, this is internet, but I'm damn serious, sadly
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What.
I have never ever ever heard of someone dying from weed? Pretty sure its impossible, his must have been laced with the worst of the worst or something because that makes 0 sense. You can't overdose on it like other drugs or even alcohol, you would need to smoke your weight in body mass to do that(Water would do it also).
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Did you honestly just say that your "friend" overdosed on marijuana??? o_O
Please do even a little bit of research on the subject before you make statements like that...
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I should have explained it better
of course he didn't die for overdose, and I don't believe that can happen
problem is overtime (ab)using it he started to become paranoid thinking he was staked all the time
so one day in the middle of the night he woke up and tried to run from "them"
he fell off a window and died
(no need to research, I am not even against it, my post was just in hope people to be aware)
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Your friend might have been already mentally unstable(But maybe not, no accusations here, just a thought), that is a shame though, I do think weed plus someone who is not totally alright is a really really bad combination, same can be said about alcohol or whatever else though...That said some strains of weed are also pretty unlikable(Some will make you paranoid, while others wont at all).
Sorry for your lose though, I know how that feels... :-(
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Sounds like your friend was smoking PCP, not marijuana and already had some mental instability.
The things you describe simply do not happen when a normal, healthy person smokes marijuana.
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I smoke weed when I can... it's illegal in my country but it's legal for personal use...
Medical recommendation and also I love it, more with my girlfriend hehehe
I have plants for the first time, now it need to dry and in some days I'll enjoy :D
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my brother put a bong in his heart n died... he was gona get married soon too...
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Have you? Is it legal in your country?
Just curiosity!
Edit: someone says it's not enought this question so let's add something:
Why do you smoke weed if you do?
Why you don't smoke weed if you don't?
Do you hate people who do smoke?
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