ウクライナの避難民支援に向けて｜ Yahoo! JAPAN
https://humanitarian-aid.yahoo.co.jp/
It seems that Yahoo Japan is holding an event in which 10 yen will be donated to Ukraine if you search for "support for Ukraine(ウクライナ支援)" on Yahoo Japan.
Clicking on the same string in parentheses () in the page would automatically donate the money.
Only one click per person seems to be valid.
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Oh, by the way, June 19 ends in Japan time. It seems that 1.3 million users have been pushed since the start of the program.
(Frankly, Yahoo Japan seems to lack buzz because it is not used as much as it used to be.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFw9XQTjkko
Glory to Ukraine!
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155-mm NATO ammunition was found at the site of shelling in the region of Donetsk. Shot presumably from French self-propelled guns CAESAR.
https://t.me/voenacher/21866
You can lie now about how Russians are shelling Donetsk with stolen guns!
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Previously: Drone footage shows scale of devastation in Mariupol
Now in picture, the Russian cultural erasure of Ukraine in action.
Liberation? Utter bullshit!
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Well, the Russian army has nothing else to do but paint something. Or there can't even be a thought that those who stayed on this earth could have done it. Moreover, a little higher in this topic was about the elections and about the fact that Little Russia wants to enter Russia.
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facepalm. Why should they do this is the first and most important question. It is not necessary to raise morale, it is also not necessary to show belonging, nothing has been decided yet. Why paint?
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and just more RAT, when it isn't even clear, which one of your different claims i've adressed
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Well, not in this case. Here you can easily show what the answer is, how can this be understood from the structure of the message, or is it a surprise for you?
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So I'm trying to figure out what Remote Administration Tools or, colloquially, a Trojan have to do with it, but I don't understand.
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you seem to have bad short-term memory
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/AIcfP23
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Actually, there was a link specially for you not only to the Russian media that wrote this news, but also to the Norge media at the same time. And why didn't they write about this news here, so in connection with the very successful use of technology, and not like the imported M777 howitzers (https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/h3ywV3a ) and FH70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rbAczL33hc ). That's what was fixed.
And so Caesar ACS (10 pcs) from France and AHS Krab (18 pcs of the first generation) are already waiting.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/kKBr8Az thanks to this discussion. You yourself asked for topics about Ukraine, is this about Ukraine or is it not so?
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i didn't asked anything in this branch and suddenly you came up with stuff, no one asked for, but we already know that deflection strategy
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Well, I'm already used to the fact that you don't want to read completely, as well as the ability to forget what you wrote with your own hand. I was not surprised.
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i read completely, but you are the one who mixmatch with different branches and bring up stuff from other branches, that's like talking with someone about the weather and he starts talking about the military
sure, i forget things, because of that i could provide a link to a former answer of mine, which YOU have forgotten about, or did i wrote the answer when the other shift at the troll farm was in charge of this account?
I get it, when you start talking off-topic the shift just changed, and the new troll doesn't know what was written before, makes perfect sense, don't you think?
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If the people there wanted to join Russia, you wouldn't have destroyed the city. This logic does not correspond to Putin's truths, it must be propaganda from foreign agent. It's so easy to be a traitor in schizo-facist Russia, just by thinking a little.
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mariupol is the homeland of azov battalion (one of several).
so... it is important to make a good example of pure denazification in action
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The city of Mariupol was predominantly and traditionally Russian-speaking, but the inhabitants did not hold a referendum to join Russia, this is what you call Nazism.
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Killing civilians and burning cities to the ground is not "important". It is a crime.
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Where are proofs though? Stop posting some bullshit propaganda.
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Posting your lies again are we?
Didn't you say Mariupol wasn't destroyed?
I am pretty sure you showed me a Russian prop video on how everything is fine and dandy?
I guess we can call this progress somehow...
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872467/Zelenskys-wife-says-nine-year-old-son-gives-president-father-ADVICE-military-matters.html Zelensky's wife says she speaks 'openly' about the war with her children - and their nine-year-old son gives his president father ADVICE on military matters
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Daily Mail.....
Oh boi let me show you by way of other "infamous" headlines what they are about.
- Oral sex can cause throat cancer
- Woman, 63, becomes pregnant in the mouth with baby squid after eating Calamari
- Big headed babies more prone to getting cancer
They are a tabloid newspaper doing anything they can to sell sensation.
For future reference, Daily Express is another one of those.
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these vatniks are really getting a joke, the longer they are here and they seem very desperate lately to rely on shady news sources, like yellow press and left extremists websites, but i guess it's not far from russian propaganda on which they relied before, RAT would just fit their thread perfectly
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Well, in accordance with the answer, I am converting all the press to yellow, so a link to any publisher will be equated to yellow and it will be possible to ignore it.
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Yeah, Putin just make these things much more faster so nothing new for us
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Кошка бросила котят, это Путин виноват. Может не надо все проблемы на одного человека вешать.
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Putin has nothing to do with it, he is just a KGB dictator for more than 20 years in power in the Russia
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And why change something that is already good. There is no point, if everything is fine or everything is fine, then there is no need to change it. The change occurs either with obsolescence or with dissatisfaction.
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Random Keydrop: Lingering IA2ZF-QNAE0-ABYDX
(Swap first and last sections for correct code)
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Isn't it exactly what Russia does?
It fucking is!!!
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It's about Ukraine. And russians are killing ukrainian people for 8 years now. Russains started war on Donbass in 2014. That's a fact everyone know about, and only idiots and propaganda bots ignore that fact.
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Yes it is about Ukraine, but evil mother Russia kinda plays a role in here, isn't it?
What are you even still doing here? Are you some kind of the last defender of the Russian fascism in this thread? We all know you love your bastard leaders, please just fuck off already, and start your "I love putins cock" thread to find like minded mofos to praise your totalitarian government.
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So far only russians kill those who do not agree with their political way. Citizens of Donbas know pretty well about this point.
Stop spreading lies, stupid propaganda bot.
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I'm not interested in this work of fiction. You better post a proof that you don't suck dicks daily.
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As long as you don't have proof - it's your fantasy that you don't suck cocks. Nobody here will believe you. Same as with everything, actually - instead of educating yourself about facts you keep telling lies and propaganda here daily (you do it after or before sucking cocks?). I can't help you, since I can't just put information to your brain if you don't want to know it.
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So we study the facts, the Washington Post wrote that they can't use Javelin, they need phone support.
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Fact is - if not nazis from russia - nobody would have to learn how to use Javelin. Blood is on your hands, and you dare to make fun of people who defend themselves from your aggression? Is there any limit to your meanness? What's next, you will be making fun of children who are to weak to stop russian rapists?
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did you read the whole article or just want to distort?
phone support was just one opinion, others said training is sufficient
i understand your announcement now, that you will make everything yellow, like the yellow press and here is your headline ->
can't use Javelin, they need phone support
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/14/ukraine-javelin-assistance/
Javelin anti-tank missile systems have proved ineffective in Ukraine due to the lack of call centers and hotlines to explain to the military how to use the devices, volunteer instructor Mark Hayward told the Washington Post.
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Perhaps there is a lack of call centers and hotlines to explain to the Russian military how to maintain their tanks in good condition.
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https://youtu.be/91MvKf2aeGM https://youtu.be/69nLrM6jZw8 It's been a long time since I posted, look carefully. All that is, they were just now removed from storage and taken to the installation of long-term firing points, but they were not very used in battles. The blue and yellow flag is the flag of Ukraine.
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Fresh humour from Putin's foreign minister Lavrov:
"I would give Ukraine a membership in penises" (wordplay in Russian).
Local Putin's bots and fanboys will definitely love this joke
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Really shows how uncultivated the people, even ministers in RU are. That mofo Medvejev or however this son of a bitch is spelled is making fun about the German/Italian/French ministers visiting Kiev because it is useless in his view. Sure thing speaking with each other is useless, in Russia they don't speak to each other, they punch themselves in their face apparently. Or they invade their neighbour country, this kind of solves all problems.
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russians are stubborn, just look at the trolls here, i told them, that we don't want to have them here and they should make their own russki awareness thread, well, they're still here
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Some people asked for proofs, they must be there if Russian spies try to infiltrate war crimes court 🙊
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/16/russian-spy-infiltrate-icc-netherlands/
AIVD said a 33-year-old purporting to be a Brazilian national named Viktor Muller Ferreira flew to the Netherlands from Brazil to start an internship at the ICC in The Hague — except the man’s real name was Sergey Vladimirovich Cherkasov, and he was a 36-year-old Russian intelligence officer, according to the agency.
Cherkasov, posing as Muller Ferreira, “used a well-constructed cover identity by which he concealed all his ties with Russia in general, and the GRU [Russia’s intelligence directorate] in particular,” according to AIVD, which released copies of a document detailing the man’s elaborate cover identity.
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International Criminal Court (ICC) is the first and only permanent international court with jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and the crime of aggression.
About the war crimes of Russian soldiers, you can watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM (already posted here by codasim)
With this video, it's hard for Russian bots to twist the reality.
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You must watch 1:17 to 1:30. You will see the Russian soldiers having a booze feast and then one of them will destroy the security camera. Criminals don't like security cameras, and war criminals even less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM
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interview with Babushka Z: The woman who became a Russian propaganda icon
Thanks to a video, Anna Ivanovna became an icon of Russian propaganda. She is an elderly Ukrainian woman who mistook Ukrainian soldiers for Russians during Russia's invasion of Ukraine and greeted them with the red flag of the Soviet Union. Ukrainian soldiers said they had arrived to help her and offer her a bag of food. Then they took the soviet flag, threw it on the ground and stomped on it. So the woman, feeling insulted, returned the food to them.
For the Kremlin, this was gold. Russian propaganda is rarely able to centre on individuals, and they saw this woman as a rare example of a Ukrainian who regretted the collapse of the Soviet Union and considered the Russians to be liberators.
But she does not support the war: "How can I support my people dying? My grandchildren and great-grandchildren were forced to go to Poland. We live in fear and terror.", "If I could speak to Vladimir Putin I would say, you've made a mistake. Us Ukrainian workers, what have we ever done to deserve this? We are the ones who are suffering the most."
Anna is really nostalgic for Soviet times: "My parents died for this flag in World War II," (about the soviet flag). Nostalgia again: "I was just happy that Russians would come and not fight with us. I was happy that we would unite again.". And as if she were still in Soviet times, she is reluctant to openly criticize the Russian leader: "Putin is a president. A tsar, a king, an emperor.".
Even though she has become a star in Moscow, Anna's village has not been spared by Putin's forces - it has been bombed several times. Some houses are on fire. Others have been reduced to ashes. Her own home has suffered from the shelling - her windows are shattered, the roof is damaged and shrapnel is scattered on the front lawn.
"'Now I see," Anna said. "They do not care about people here in Ukraine, they care only about conquering our lands."
A quote from Putin to conclude: "Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain".
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the injustice! russophobia!
we already had that, russian tears all over again
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You should reread the conclusion of Babushka Z on the Russian invasion:
"'Now I see," Anna said. "They do not care about people here in Ukraine, they care only about conquering our lands."
If an elderly woman who loves the Soviet era can understand that, maybe you can too.
Yeah, I know. That's too much to ask of a Russian bot.
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The worst thing about this is the Ukrainians themselves filmed and released this video to the public. The soldiers are Ukrainians, the elderly woman is Ukrainian, and I doubt whoever filmed this was a Russian. Once this stuff is out on the internet, you have no controll over it anymore. Putin's propaganda machinery sure welcomes this kind of stuff. They made a statue of her, without even knowing who she is, lmao.
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because they are desperate, look how desperate those 2 trolls are
they are so desperate to even capture a Ukrainian Awereness Thread, to vent their russian matters, or should i say propaganda?
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I haven't even watched your videos.
In Russia today, to protest against this war, one only risks 10 or 15 years in prison. Under the custody of the Russian army, the people of Mariupol are probably even less free than the Russians.
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nah, those videos aren't aimed for a western audience, otherwise they would be english
they're aimed for a russian speaking audience to believe some alternative facts, welcome Bazilies, you felt for the trap
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Just ignore the user. Don't attack them personally.
They can reply with their visions here and if they are ignored they can't keep replying to themselves.
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@Bazilus
seems i have some lower rights than others. =)
That's true, Putin don't give a fuck about your rights.
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If you attack someone you get a warning. We don't suspend users for getting angry and lashing out on someone unless it's repeating over long period of time.
If we'd be strict on discussion moderation we would not allow pro-russia provocations and dubious sources from click bait newspapers🙄
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the injustice! russophobia!
we already had that, russian tears all over again
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That's what I do. Their claims are almost always so ridiculous, I itch to correct, or try to debate. But then I remember it's futile, because their goal is to blur the line of what's real, and in the process make users quite mad.
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I did try to discuss with users in the past that were blatantly in the wrong.
But just like with flat-earthers or vit c-treats-cancer people it's futile. They believe in what they spread and no amount of evidence, articles, chats with experts will work. When you live in information bubble and need to reinforce your opinion you will believe only in your version, and find million reasons to disregard any opposite stance.
I know it's annoying in this thread but just leave them be. It's like discussion with a parrot that squeaks at you no matter what you say
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Or playing chess with a pidgeon. It will crap all over the board and think it won :D
I am trying to refrain from feeding those people. So far I'm almost successful.
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True but if users are caught up in pointless back and forth like some do it makes discussion hard to follow, like you mentioned. If someone makes comment how beautiful earth is from space, and troll says that earth is flat, photos are fabricated and US is evil - give them counter evidence and leave it. But don't start 20 post arguing with a parrot that just say "I am right" "I am right" "I am right".
That's the biggest issue here. People who troll have fun of leading other into pointless argues.
Trolls are disturbing thread only because others keep replying with "oh russian tears", "go back to russia", "puttin puppet". It doesn't add anything to the discussion and just creates those monstrous reply trees. I received couple replies with "oh your evidence is bad, my russian evidence is good" and will ignore it. I already see there is nothing to gain from replying, they already started to discuss "me", not topic at hand or link / article / video they originally replied to.
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Does the person saying directly or indirectly 'I'm right, you're wrong" over and over, implying that only their "truth" is correct, count as flood? Because there's like several examples right above.
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I know forums where any off-topic talk would be suspension worthy. Half of users here would receive suspension already.
SG always had more relaxed approach to forum moderation and users were allowed to write what they want as long as it doesn't break any point of the guidelines. If we go after users that go with "I am right your proof is bad" then we would also need to go equally after people that keep replying with "oh no russian tears" etc. One fuels another, parrots don't exist in a void.
That's why I in general just advice to ignore people. If there are no replies to them - they don't have reason to keep replying. If they keep replying to the same person who ignores them numerous times - it would be spam. If someone posts video from yt propaganda channel send reply that points to article explaining they are sellouts spreading propaganda and leave it at it. When someone links to "US expert" on yt - explain they were thrown away from army for spreading misinformation and now spread it on the internet. Don't go into "oh yeah, but only your sources are right" argument. It can't be won.
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well, i think you're missing some vital points here, if there were no russian propaganda in the first place, there wouldn't be any claims about russian tears either, it's not like the question about the hen and the egg, when something was clearly there first.
Another point is, you can avoid to reply to them, but when you post news about Ukraine, which doesn't fit russian propaganda, they will be there and reply to you. So not replying to them is a thing of the wiser head gives in? On the other side, when the wiser head always give in, the world would be ruled by the dumb.
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well, i think you're missing some vital points here, if there were no russian propaganda in the first place, there wouldn't be any claims about russian tears either, it's not like the question about the hen and the egg, when something was clearly there first.
Problem is created only when users keep replying. Ignoring is always an option. We never implemented pre-emptive bans on what people can write. People can write they support Trump or Obama. That Trump was right, elections were rigged and we should have dude with bison horns on head as president. That someone is against homosexual marriages as it's against their religion. And many other social or economic opinions. We don't have a "liberal, pro-west, ban-nationalists" bubble here for people to be not allowed to support specific topics.
We do suspend users for hate speech and saying social groups, nationalities etc. should be eradicated. But this is part of the guidelines. I issued couple suspensions myself here. There is nothing about having unlikable opinions.
So not replying to them is a thing of the wiser head gives in? On the other side, when the wiser head always give in, the world would be ruled by the dumb.
Yes, exactly. And SG is not whole word, how much support anti-Ukraine people have here? There are like 2 or 3 of them that keep replying? So you can safely ignore those. People will not start to support Putin because two chickens run around and scream. If you post source from NBC, Reuters, BBC or Amnesty International and get either "omg fakez" as reply or link to random 5s clip on telegram - I think people will see which one is more truthful.
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i'm fully with you and i think the laissez-faire handling of the mods is the only reasons, these monstrous replies are emerging, trolls disturbed the thread long before there were any claims about russian tears and if the mods would have been after suspending off-topic pro-russian propaganda in an Ukraine Awarness Thread, i doubt the situation arose, where half of the users are eligible for a suspension for off-topic posts
Just look above, where cement threatened, that he will reply as long as we post here, says everything about their goal that they want us to stop posting, because we don't want their replies
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As I wrote above - we never used blanket ban on unpopular topics to limit people ability to comment. This is how SG discussions were from the start, and how site admin decided forums should work. It is not up to us to suspend users because majority of others disagree with them.
It is not always good, like in this thread. But then it's up to users to not give them fuel to disrupt thread even more. Reply once or twice and ignore when it again derails and goes into pointless discussion.
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the thing is, this is a political thread, which i think is different from most SG threads, also the title already says, it's about a one sided view and thus points out, that no discussions with pro-russian propaganda is wanted, at least that's my opinion
another point is, we aren't sure, if these 2 guys are trolls from a troll farm and get paid for their actions here, so it's their work to post here and not replying to them wouldn't stop them in any way
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Not replying to them makes it harder for them to meet the daily quota. After all, they can't ferever reply to a single comment, they need to make it look like a real discussion, or they don't get their 15 rubles (10 cents? :D ). So by refusing to interact with them we can limit the spread they can do, and spam they do in threads.
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well, most of the time my replies aren't even aimed for a discussion, they're just trolling back and i must be good at it, because Bazillies isn't even replying to me anymore, well, most of the time
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Poor Vasya, just trying to earn some rubles in this economy, and you leave him to starve! :P
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"We didn't invade Ukraine," Lavrov claimed.
"We declared a special military operation because we had absolutely no other way of explaining to the West that dragging Ukraine into Nato was a criminal act."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61825525
What an idiot, seriously.
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yeah, seems like russia has some very incompetent politicians, but what will you expect from a state run by corruption
and what about dragging Finland and Sweden into NATO, the conclusion would be, it's an criminal act either.
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"I didn't rob a bank ," bank robber claimed.
"I declared a special distribution of wealth because i had absolutely no other way of explaining to the the rich that they have too much money."
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President of Kazakhstan, Tokaev, who is considered an ally of Russia, said 'we will not recognize the “quasi-states” of the DPR and LPR' right to Putin's face :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Mvld5Pkgw
Here's a brief translation of this speech:
https://apolline-petit.com/kazakhstan-wont-recognize-independence-of-lpr-and-dpr-tokayev-video
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again more russian tears, with a hilarious claim, you're a clown Bazilies
i see only one here who blindly follows and gobbles down every inch of Poo-tins alternative facts
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Perhaps the President of Kazakhstan is afraid that Putin may create Russian "quasi-states" in Kazakhstan to conquer land and resources, uh, liberate people.
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov interviewed by a journalist. The journalist asks about Russia's genocide allegations:
Russia has accused Ukraine of genocide. However, in 2021, eight civilians were killed in the rebel-held areas, according to self-proclaimed pro-Russian "officials", and seven the year before. While every death was a tragedy, I said, that did not constitute a genocide.
I suggested that if genocide really had taken place, then the Luhansk and Donetsk separatists would have been interested in us going there. Why were we not let in, I asked.
"I don't know," said Mr Lavrov.
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i hope you get banned soon. all you do is spread lies!
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Same article but different quotes.
The last two years (before the war) according to self-proclaimed pro-Russian "officials" 15 citizens have been killed by Ukrainians, this is far from being a genocide. However, when the Russian military kills thousands of civilians in 3 months, it is not genocide according to the Kremlin.
Russian Army liberators existed only against the Nazis, which is why Putin made Russia schizo-fascist. Putin don't care of people, he want to seize land and ressources. Russia is a colonialist state that wants its Soviet colonies back into its empire.
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4:26 the most uninformed person ever, several hundred, lol, maybe a day, yes
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Ah yes, of course, tens of thousands dead people and tens of millions of displaced people are sooooooo funny.
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What might be the average Russian’s worldview?
https://wartranslated.com/what-might-be-the-average-russians-worldview/
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I get the feeling that you don't understand what the word 'hate' actually means.
He explained how most Russians live in their own sphere, disconnected from the rest of the world. And global realities.
That these circumstances result in destructive problems is obvious enough.Not giving in to the shit Russia does, does not imply hating Russians.
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Bazilus is absolutely disconnected from the reality.
as long as the individual is adequate and is in tune with the native population, they will be treated well
The author states the most basic courtesy principle here which applies to Russians as well... But in the end Bazilus and the likes of him still turn it around and call everyone nazi without making any sense
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I think he mostly struggles with the concept of there being consequences for one's actions. Everyone suggesting that there should be consequences for Russia must be a hater by definition.
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I don't even understand what he is struggling with.
He completely denies any wrongdoing of Russia and constantly slams and blames west for everything happening. Either he is hopelessly brainwashed by Kremlins propaganda or he is paid troll (especially with the narrative how only Russia has free media and democracy and how west is corrupt and filled with propaganda.. His go to is taking everything that Russia is accused of and saying it back)
At this point I'm trying to ignore his comments as best as I can as there is no point.
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This post doesn't add anything to this discussion. You will need to stop to reply unless you have something to add to the discussion.
Same here:
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/Vtr660G - "I don't think so" is not an argument that can be had over and over again as reply
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/WJa3z5e - you say there is no point to argue, so why do you keep responding? If you want people stop to reply to you - you need stop to try always have the last word
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/KI219Ek - I don't think Russia as a country can be possibly shown in any worse light than it currently is. Maybe if Putin would decide to directly attack NATO or use nukes... Sadly for Russia we now have satellites with internet, and anyone can take out phone and record. It's not 1 WW anymore where people used pigeons for messaging, and where gathering evidence was hard. Couple people may repeat it's "special operation" but everyone else sees how it is in reality
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/mkniAaj - again, post just to have last word
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/8FB202a - again, you act like my previous posts about pointless argues don't apply to you
This is only on this page alone. After I asked people to stop posting yes / no argues. You don't need to have the last word. And you should stop to write "people should stop reply to you" (or link to posts where you say people should not reply to you...) when you're the one starting reply chain in the first place.
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You have been called out on your spamming behavior. No need to even look far - this is how the thread looks now. https://pasteboard.co/cXb16aLkrYfr.png
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It is in fact closely related to the topic, and WOW, you tried so hard, and found whole TWO messages from me, bravo!
And in any case, don't try to turn this on me, you are the one who rightfully got warned.
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how the heck is this guideline even related to the topic or is it just more spam?
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I think he's trying to make it seem like Iwas doxxing him by sharing his (apparently) real name in the conversation he screenshotted. This is extremely idiotic, I've answered with a (fake, obv) IP address, to demonstrate what a tool he is :D
As for the name - meh, in poor areas of Kyiv males call each other that name, regardless of the real ones, so it's equivalent to "that guy", "man", and likes of that.
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oh, i wasn't aware it's a real name and took it similarly for what you described
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poor Bazilies playing the victim again, like russia
discussion affecting your personality is a weak argument, everyone could claim that and it's also an indicator for a weak personality, if you have to give in to the urge each time
who says Mods have to be neutral, it's not like they are judges and/or took a vow and even the judges of the supreme court aren't neutral
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A nice summary of why it's a waste of time to debate with you.
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Yet you seem to be monitoring this thread 24/7 and rushing to 'argue'
Pots something external (always from biased sources), try to defend it once or twice, but then gives up on responses or avoid solid arguments. Waste of time indeed, since the main goal was already reached
But then you imediatly go 'waste time' to another post and another
I get wanting to prove a point. I believe you believe in your points, and im sad you dont even consider 'what if im wrong'. You WANT to believe in what you believe. Happens across the world, on all political parties and religions. I wish people were more open minded and really debated, but when people want to believe like that its hopeless
Thing is everyone knows that. So when you batlanty comes insisting so much in this one narrative (that the huge majority here dont buy) youre not convincing anyone, and no one is hoping to convince someone so close minded and laser focused as you either. We all see who you are and where you coming from, heck you state that. Youre a team player to the end, youve chosen your team, its narrative, no matter what happens you will side and choose sources accordingly
This thread if full of people that is tired of teams in general or in the other team
Youre just wasting your and ours time. Youre not thinking things trouhgh, not only in regards to fact and sources but... what you want to achieve here? Convincing anyone is off the table. Shifting perspectives is off the table. No one want to listens to you. If not convincing then what? Some fake feeling that you maybe made a difference, for Z, Putin whatever?
If you trully believe in whatezer Z means (btw, its been memed vaguely on purpose, because its no real cause, its void), if you believe and want to help Putin (call it russia if you want, from putins view putin=russia=putin)...
...then do it.
But i mean, for real.
Enlist man. Go to ukraine.
If you really believe youre just looking at facts, go there, find the nazis yourself. Take pictures and video of ukraines or nato or whatever staging and hurting their own citizens. Now that would be better, a video from you from the field showing those things would be much much more sound and solid then whatever you doing posting here.
Now if your goal is wasting yours and random people onlines time then congrats, youre accomplishing it. I wasted some 10 minutes to you today, but unlike others im too old and tired with the average online attention seeker or troll so thats the only time i will waste on this.
True to heart, wishing you well advice (that sadly i know you wont listen): try to start questioning yourself, and others, and sources. I used to strongly believe in stuff in the past too but i grew wiser. Sure in this ukraine-russia topic russias been relentless with media weaponizing, but im also familiar with us propaganda or ukraines own embelishments, but end of the day theres an invader and the defenders arent hurting their own people so i took a side this time.
Anyway, its not worth wearing anyones colors. Goverments, movements etc, theyre all someones agenda and they all lack nuance, and the world is more complex, gray area and chaotic then any sides or ideals try to sell. And theres no ultimately good guys nor ultimate bad guys eeither.
But since youre a believer i take you wont listen to that advice
So at least another: stop wasting your and ours time, or if you really wanna make a difference go enlist. Go fight for Putin, go defeat said Nazis. Maybe im wrong, putin is right so that would be good- i hate nazis so yeah. Go there, take a bullet for the man that doesnt even sit near other people. Im sure he would approve
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he's just a poor vatnik trying to make some rubles here, it's pointless to discuss with him
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just don't give in to the urge to answer him, let him spam this thread, those 4 posts above from him, filling a whole screen, are a little impressive, don't you think?
If we don't get him suspended for hatespeech, maybe we get him suspended for spam, as he seems desperate to answer each and everyone, except for me, lol, he still has to make some rubles
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Yes, we hate nazis, we hate murderers, we hate rapists, and we hate those who support said people with money. You are surprised about it? Also, it's not our fault that every single person whi live in Russia falls in one of the categories above, because government is nazi, army is murderers and rapists, and everyone who pay taxes - support said people with money. We have no hatred towards Russians though. There are a lot of decent people among Russians, and all of them live outside of Russia (because they are decent people and don't want to support nazis with money).
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Don't be so sorry, your country isn't much different
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It's same as if somebody would say that you are not very different from a rabid dog.
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If people keep telling you that, perhaps you should stop acting like one.
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Yeah, sure, because everyone here can afford to immigrate. I'm a rapist and murderer because I have health issues that lead to issues with income that make immigration impossible. I'm a warmongering asshole because I can't abandon my elderly mother who will never leave her granddaughter and her future grandson. I'm a war supporter despite the fact that I protested against actions of this government for more than 10 years. I'm a fascist because I'm inherently guilty of having been born here. It's all so simple, right?
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Do you think people of Ukraine can afford to immigrate? But yet they have to, because their cities are being shelled. Also, I never said you are ALL of the above. But you support nazis, murderers and rapists with money - that's a FACT. You may do this unwillingly, I admit that, but you support them nevertheless.
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Everyone know about nazi in ukrainian army
Stop spreading this russian propaganda. Where are proofs? Nazis kill on nationality basis. Russians kill on nationality basis. Ukrainans do not kill on nationality basis.
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No, he did not. He said, that there was Azov battalion, and it was later incorporated in Ukrainian Army, and those of them who were violating law - were prosecuted. And of course he did not say that any of them are nazis. It's just your insinuation, lies and propaganda, as usual.
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Exactly. Really stupid cosplay, yes. They are idiots, but it does makes them nazi. And those of them who were nazis indeed (when it was still an independent organization) - are now in the prison, not in ukrainian army, as your propaganda trying to tell. Unlike them Russian government is nazi in deeds, not in words.
As a side note - educate yourself about the difference between nationalism and nazism. Maybe next time you will look a little less fool.
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Having a tattoo is not a crime. If some burly man will catch you and make a tattoo swastika on your face - it won't make you a nazi. Unlike your comments.
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so many tattoos?
you speak like it was a 60 minutes video showing hundreds of soldiers with swastika tattoos, when i only saw 2 or 3 in reality, most of the tattoos aren't even related to nazism, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegv%C3%ADsir is a perfectly fine tattoo, even icelandic singer Björk has it on her upper left arm
and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helm_of_Awe isn't connected to nazism either, it's an icelandic occult symbol, beware they use black magic
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Don't pretend to be enen dumber than you are. I told you already - having a tattoo is not a crime. It's getting ridiculous. I'm telling you that you whole government is nazi, and you are trying to justify it by existence of couple of idiots in Ukraine. No, it does not work like this.
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How uncomfortable you are to hear the truth, all time you trying to change the subject.
Truth is that you are nazi supporter. Truth is your country is ruled by nazi regime. And you are so uncomfortable about this truth that you keep coming in this thread with stupid propaganda without any proofs. You know nobody will believe in this bullshit, but you still do it, because it makes you feel better and safer. And that's not fine.
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Have you proofs for that, or that's just another lie? (I know it's the latter, you seem to forgot how to tell the truth already)
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You never prove your words, so you don't have the right to ask me to prove anything.
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Except your links and photos says opposite to your words. You literally proved that you lied yourself.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/PX7VwAP
Please, let's stop try to have those yes / no exchanges. Post link to source and leave it. This is the same for all users here.
It makes it hard to follow the discussion. There are 20 replies here in this exchange alone that are not adding anything to the topic. I believe there are better things to spend time on than trying to argue with pro-Putin people. Don't add more opportunities to disturb the thread.
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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-mariupol-azov-nazi-1695125
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity
https://khpg.org/en/1420855493
https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-neo-nazis-in-the-ranks-of-wagner-pmc/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/russian-mercenaries-in-ukraine-linked-to-far-right-extremists
https://voi.id/en/news/155732/the-cruelty-of-russias-neo-nazi-army-cut-off-the-enemys-ear-to-take-the-trophy-home-now-helps-putin-in-the-fight-against-ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group
Rusich unit
The Wagner Group includes a contingent known as Rusich, or Task Force Rusich,[126] referred to as a "sabotage and assault reconnaissance group", which has been fighting as part of the Russian separatist forces in eastern Ukraine.[127] Rusich are described as a far-right extremist[75][128] or neo-Nazi unit,[129] and their logo features a Slavic swastika.[130] The group was founded by Alexey Milchakov and Yan Petrovsky in the summer of 2014, after graduating from a paramilitary training program run by the Russian Imperial Legion, the fighting arm of the Russian Imperial Movement.[131] As of 2017, the Ukrainian Prosecutor General and the International Criminal Court (ICC) were investigating fighters of this unit for alleged war crimes committed in Ukraine.[132]
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I posted this before but might as well add it to the list.
https://en.respublica.lt/signs-of-neo-nazi-ideology-amongst-russian-mercenaries
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yep, i think i stumbled over this article in my search, but choosen not to post it, because too much text
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And now those lunatics are threatening EU that they will use "whatever means necessary" to resume transit flow to Kaliningrad.
The audacity.
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If i had one wish, i wish no one had nuclear weapons
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In essence humans in general are shit. If there wouldn't be nuclear weapons there would be chemical weapons, incendiary weapons etc.
Seems like we just love to find ways to kill people in barbaric and numerous ways. It all is sickening.
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Just about 2 hours ago, my account on one of the biggest social media websites in China, "Zhihu" got suspended (again) likely because I posted too much truth about this war. :)
https://www.zhihu.com/people/orochi2k/posts
Maybe, one day, I will post a collection of those posts I wrote in China as records of this war.
Meanwhile, I added a Ukraine Awareness page on my game's wiki as well: https://neolithia.fandom.com/wiki/Ukraine_Awareness
Unless China blocks steam and fandom entirely, I can get information through even just by my game.
Being apolitical like many other game developers is not a choice anymore. After all, it seems the censorship in China does not give me many alternative solutions but to launch a platform of my own in this war.
I have made up my mind to continue to support Ukraine in this war until it ends.
I am stubborn enough to not change my mind since then.
I don't mind even joining the International Legion of Ukraine because I am so disappointed in China and many people in China.
I sent an email and asked if I can join. But, I got rejected because I lack military experience.
Nevertheless, I'm still trying to help in other ways. This is something at least I can do.
Слава Украине!
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I am curious
You are not afraid to be on some Chinese government radar?
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Well, if I suddenly disappear under mysterious circumstances one day. It's been nice knowing all of you.
Sometimes, maybe I just feel I've lived long enough. I miss how the world was 20 years ago. But, that is just a long-lost memory now.
Thus, I don't think I'd even be afraid to just go directly join the war and die for something I believe in. Why shall I be afraid of the government? :)
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