[Video on Twitter] - Meanwhile in Russia: genocidal denials of the Ukrainian identity from the host and his guest. They claim that Ukrainians are just mentally ill Russians, whom they will "cure" once Russia wins. They propose destroying all Holodomor memorials. They discuss killing Americans. Watch.
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Russia bringing new military units into Kherson as it prepares to defend city, says Ukrainian intelligence chief
The Russian command plans to defend rather than flee immediately. What do ordinary Russian soldiers think of this?
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Ukraine war: UN nuclear watchdog to revisit sites amid Russia 'dirty bomb' claim - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63382277
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Kind Ukraine is disclosing information to the UN, which is troubled by Russian gov nonsense.
But Russia gov neither discloses proof of the nonsense nor specifies the location.
Of course, after repeated inspections, there is no evidence of unauthorized removal, and proper storage appears to be in place.
Russia-Ukraine war live news: Ukraine fears Russia planning false flag attack amid Kremlin’s ‘dirty bomb’ claims | Ukraine | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/oct/25/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-ukraine-invites-un-nuclear-inspectors-after-discredited-dirty-bomb-claim#pinned-post
There is no transparency in the Russian government.
Early on, the Russian government repeatedly claimed that it was dealing with biological and chemical weapons as the reason for its special operations in Ukraine, but there was no evidence to the international community, and at one point Russia claimed to have secured evidence, but did not disclose it until recently.
Naturally, the international community recognizes that the Russian government lied, as did Russia's response to Syria.
The Russian government is not even mentioning it now.
With no more room to lie, no more room to spare, and no more lives, what will be lost next?
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As Russia Gets Weaker, Xi Jinping May Forgo Taiwan To Grab Eastern Russia
It is only conditional, but there is a chance that China may change its mind on the Sino-Soviet border agreement. China could seize the opportunity to reclaim former territories seized by Russia, while Russia is on its knees.
It would be really fun to see Russia get a taste of its own medicine. The whole world would think "Russia is invaded. We don't care.".
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[Photo] - A monument glorifying the Soviet Red Army in Litomerice, Czechia has been 'vandalized'. Somebody has thrown red paint on it after modifying the pedestal, making it look like a washing machine.
Why 'vandalized'? It's more like an update to the glory of the Russian army. A few days ago, Russian soldiers steal a washing machine.
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One confirmation for mankind.
Do you have an emergency "evacuation bag" prepared?
Do you have at least 3 days worth of water and food stockpiled in a safe place at home in case of emergency?
Since I am hiding in an island country in the East, I have at least a minimum amount of these items because I may be affected by earthquakes, volcanoes, weather anomalies, and the situation in neighboring countries.
I have noticed an increase in the number of reports that seem to indicate a marked increase in unrest on the planet recently.
You can feel it a bit by looking at this Ukraine-related thread.
It is difficult to gather what you need when things become serious.
Why not check your "evacuation plan" and "food reserves" while you still can?
It is not a bad idea to buy a little extra to cut down on costs, especially during the winter months when shopping can be expensive.
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I think most people in Ukraine have "bug-out bags" and food supply, ever since the Feb 24th. I have all of my family documents in a folder, in case I'll need to quickly throw them into the bag and run.
Food, water supply - all there, in case infrastructure fails. With russian rockets and iranian drones it's quite a possibility.
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Ukraine lawmaker advises Taiwan to be ready for the unexpected | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20221025_30/
Ukraine , of course, prepare.
And when they visit other countries, they talk about their hardships and efforts due to the fact that their countries were "unprepared for defense.
Thus, "emergency preparedness" should not become a matter of preparing for an emergency after it has occurred.
While "the everyday exists," we can prepare a little bit at a time.
When "routine ceases to exist," it will take time for the government to come to the rescue.
We may need to be prepared in any part of the world in the meantime.
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[Video on Twitter] - Russian priest says that if women had as many children as God intended for them to have, they wouldn't be as sad when their sons are mobilized.
The Russian religious authorities are overrun with immoral charlatans, they do not obey God but the will of Putler.
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there is no god. god is the opiate of the masses used to manipulate mens will to match the desires of those in power. if there was a god he is a pretty big piece of shit for letting this kind of thing happen.
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[Twitter] - Russian occupiers stole another monument from Kherson. A video of the empty pedestal of a monument to one of the city's founders, Grigory Potemkin, was published by Russian propagandists. (Another confirmation here)
Grigory Potemkin gave his name to the expression 'Potemkin village':
"In politics and economics, a Potemkin village is any construction (literal or figurative) whose sole purpose is to provide an external façade to a country that is faring poorly, making people believe that the country is faring better." - Wikipedia
Any resemblance to Russia's current political needs is purely coincidental, hahaha.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-wests-commercial-satellites-could-be-targets-2022-10-27/
So.. we have come to Russia threatening to attack satellites. Claiming west dominance is spread through them.
Seems like they are running out of stuff to threaten us about.
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https://www.dialog.ua/images/content/d281d263d4b2802c16fb3cdeeaf6dc3b.png
the commander of the Russian group "Rusich" just find their telegram channel and read what they write. its totally nazys and scum.
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Nearly One Third of Moscow Officials Have Fled Russia
Nearly a third of Moscow officials in the mayor's office has reportedly fled Russia in the space of a month, joining a mass exodus of Russians who have sought to escape being drafted as part of President Vladimir Putin's partial mobilization order.
Male employees left en masse from some of the largest departments, including housing and communal services, health care and education, and IT specialists, local news outlet Nestka reported, citing sources familiar with the situation.
Many of these officials reportedly left without officially resigning and notifying relevant authorities, while others fled without taking their personal belongings.
"They leave, leaving things at the workplace, without washing their mug," a source told the news outlet.
Meanwhile, as if unable to understand the situation, TV propagandist Vladimir Soloviev wants to mobilize 10 to 15 million and "take a walk across Europe". https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1585550944229548034
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These propagandist creep me out. I mean the fact they are just so damn crazy to actually believe this bullshit and make the Russian people believe this. They don't even have 10 million guns. The ones they use are already old rusted crap. They couldn't even mobilize 300 000 people normally, where are they going to find 10 million+? "The mighty country of Russia" can't even take Ukraine. Let alone taking a walk trough EU/NATO countries.
I am kinda wondering how this person (and the people who believe this) pictures this. Are they going to rob all paper boys so then can fold paper airplanes out of newspapers to throw at us or what? (at least they get to read real news for once, but die after)
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Russia ends civilian pull-out before Kherson battle
Russian officials say they have completed an operation to move civilians out of the occupied southern city of Kherson ahead of an expected battle with advancing Ukrainian forces.
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Ukrainian military spokeswoman Natalya Humenyuk said the Russians were trying to hold on to the right bank of the Dnipro, but the fact they were preparing to defend the other side of the river too was a "telling sign they understand the real situation - that they are unlikely to hold on to the right bank".
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[Twitter] - Regional head of lying propaganda outlet killed in "accident" in Crimea
Svetlana Babaeva, a Russian propagandist was shot dead at a firing range in Crimea
Svetlana Babayeva, the regional head of "Russia Today", was shot and killed during a military sport shooting training at a shooting range in Crimea. According to Russian media, it was an accident.
So, an accidental Russian shot at a firing range. Russian propagandists do better news coverage at the firing range, no doubt. News about denazification or desatanization are welcome.
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You are so pathetic. Google translate is available for a range of languages including Ukrainian.
And everyone can check that you are a cynical liar.
The title of your link has nothing with the article you are linked. And the article states exactly the opposite - your lovely ruzzia is terrorizing Ukrainian civil infrastructure.
I'm so pity for you - you are living such a miserable life of russian propagandist.
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Probably you didn't notice but there is told that russians attack Zaporozhye region only once in March 2022. Therefore all other attacks were done by Ukraine indeed
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Prosecutor General of Ukraine and Member of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine.
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It's in diagrams on picture at the end of article. This is official Ukraine government site
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diagram is in cyrillic, can't be translated with Google Translator and that's why MSKOTOR told you trolls, that non-english news isn't appropriate here, because most of the audience can't understand it
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/KCvGdN8
and you were made aware of it, months ago
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/XGCB9Ig
still stubbornly posting things in cyrillic, not to mention your manipulative english title, which has nothing to do with the article
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mods already told this earlier, that information in cyrillic isn't suitable here
I wonder how then to post links if the original news is indicated in Cyrillic. Moreover, the Ukrainian language also consists of Cyrillic characters, or are only European media news posted here, but not in any case the Ukrainian media, if they are not in English?
Then there is a big loss of information and there is no complete picture. Some news agencies in Ukraine write in Ukrainian due to the fact that they require 80% to write in the national language.
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why you ask me? It wasn't me who said this, stop bothering me
I specifically quoted your statement from this message https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/CnqG9UK. So the question is open.
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Нет, он типа троллит нас, мамкин доморощенный манипулятор - раз в официальном украинском источнике об ударах по энергетической структуре не указанны какие-то другие обстрелы ЗАЭС с марта месяца, то логически (ну, ты понял) вытекает, что обстреливали не русские, а значит методом исключения русских, инопланетян и Стивена Сигала, получается что, обстреливает Украина.
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Нет, вот если есть доступ сапёрам, то зачем тогда стрелять из гаубиц для разрушения этой инфраструктуры ЗАЭС. У них есть доступ, надо разрушить, то минируем и взрываем. Нет по мнению части европейских СМИ надо зачем то стрелять из гаубиц, вот и возник вопрос. Видимо надеются на то, что читатели не умеют делать логические выводы.
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Ну, конечно, стреляли 100% украинцы, но особыми американскими "снарядами для подстав" - они перед ударом разворачиваются на 180 градусов, чтоб подставить миролюбивых россиян.
"зачем тогда стрелять из гаубиц для разрушения этой инфраструктуры ЗАЭС"
Может ты помнишь, что вообще происходит?
Я сейчас не о том, что вы вторглись в чужую страну. Я сейчас говорю конкретно про ЗАЭС. Вы пытаетесь украсть станцию. АЭС была несколькими линиями подключена к украинской электросети (и до сих пор подключена, насколько я знаю). Без такого подключения к внешней сети АЭС не будет нормально функционировать.
И если перебить эти линии (что и сделано, кроме одной пока еще оставшейся линии) идущие в Украину, то чтобы избежать катастрофы россиюшка, спасающая мир от ядерной техногенной катастрофы будет просто вынуждена (в тот момент, когда "исчезнет" последняя линия электропередач - ну, в смысле, когда противные украинцы перебьют свою последнюю линию, питающую Украину электроэнергией с ЗАЭС, своими натовскими гаубицами) переключить эту ворованную атомную станцию в свою сеть. То есть опять русские спасут мир, впервой что ли!!!
А вот если вместо укро-нацистов, перебивающих свои линии гаубицами, саперы русских освободителей просто и буднично подорвут линии электропередач, ведущие в Украину, то уже получится не спасение мира от техногенной карастрофы, а банальное воровство электроэнергии. Разве русские на такое способны?
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I'm sure that every Ukrainian and every sane Russian in this thread totally agrees with you. I mean, yes, innocent Ukrainians keep getting murdered, essential infrastructure keeps getting destroyed, millions have been forced to migrate, Russian opposition keeps getting tortured and incarcerated, the threat of the nuclear war is very real, but that's old news, enough talking about it.
I mean, I'm happy for you that you don't care, caring is painful. Just don't judge others for caring.
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People tend to care about what's close and familiar, and that's normal (maybe morally wrong, sure, but natural). There are 158,543 user from Russia and 30,831 from Ukraine on SG, that's a lot. Many European countries have accepted an insane number of refugees, it's very close to home for them. Not to mention that we are on the brink of the nuclear war, we haven't been there since the 60's. It's weird that I have to explain such obvious things to you.
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the russians are the bad guys (getting old)
Why so? Everyone including you are already clearly understand that nowadays russian federation is a new nazi Germany leaded by new century Hitler and ready to confront this? Or "everything is not so unequivocally"?
what about all those other conflicts in the world? Is this something more special then the rest?
There are some theoretical chances that this particular conflict may affect your existence and normal life in some foreseeable future in case Ukraine will fail.
but it's really now just getting old (IMO) that nothing new is really being told
Looks like you are already tired of this horrible war and also suffered a lot due to this endless thread (not as amused as those endless ones like "Last official movie...anime...etc"). I feel your pain.
Sorry, if my words may look a bit offensive to you. That wasn't my intention.
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If it isn't your intention then why make that last comment "that i am tired of this horrible war" and "i feel your pain".
I do see, that you are tired already hearing any sort of news about this war started by russians and that was the reason you post your proposal to close this thread as pointless and endless one. If this will not disturb you you will not bother with that.
Ok, agreed, "suffer from this war" and "be annoyed see this thread bumped" is not the same. You are in better state than me under russian shelling, so I take back my words regarding feeling your pain.
Is Ukraine with Zelensky entirely blameless? No i don't believe so
May I ask you to guess (since you don't know what's what anymore) at least one argument in favor Zelenskiy been guilty in this war start. Really interesting to hear your wild-guess.
And after than I would like to chat with you regarding the guilt of Austria and Czechoslovakia in waging World War II
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i think otherwise that's maybe also based on gut feeling, maybe i am wrong, but usually in a war two sides are in the wrong.
It does not matter, i am firm that everyone should have their own opinion, and respect the other (without having to insult the other).
"Said rapist to his victim - We have different opinions on what happened, so DO respect mine, you little d.rty b.tch"
It is not about you personally - it is the first thought when I've red your words quoted above.
So, having no real knowledge and arguments except your gut feeling you judged both sides guilty in start of this war - and thus it is only their mutual affair, so let's other world look into opposite direction while rapist will cum.
I'm done. I see no need to continue this endless discussion with someone's gut feeling.
P.S. That mentioning of your >1K threads originated on this forum and your complains regarding this one was epic, tbh
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Looks like we have miscommunication here
I'm not calling you a rapist, what the heck.
I'm reasoning you that any crime - waged war, killing, raping, etc - has no any of "rule of thumb" or something guaranties both parties guilt.
And the thoughts of person who killed another for a good and solid reason (he was wearing that ugly yellow shirt) is not an opposit opinion everyone should respect.
Don't you see, that with your "If you think Zelensky is entirely innocent that's your opinion, if i think otherwise" you sounds like "that guy shouldn't wear such colors if he didn't want to be killed"
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Killing, raping are clear borders that sane people will find wrong, if i say zelensky might not be entirely innocent either then that's an opinion not harming anyone, [and] that could be respected, and that's whats going wrong with the entire world right now is how quickly you are either being put in a left (woke) box or right (facist/racist) box.
And again, strange that you don't see that such statement "zelensky might not be entirely innocent " is an opinion (no doubts it is one's opinion), but it DO harming a lot of ppl. I gives puten excuses and right to say "I had a very respectful reasons to invade Ukraine and start genocide it's ppl - all this is because Zelenskiy is guiltily. Oh, may be I went a bit too far with killings and all those civil infrastructure shelling but Zelenskiy has same responsibility as I do, or may be more!"
With such "respectful opposite opinion" we are back to blaming killed person in wearing wrong color shirt.
IDK why all the posts of this guy disappeared. May be we should clear this branch as well - since it lost a portion of context, and only rumble of a disturbed hive left?
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Because they are deleted because of the entire shitstorm it created which was exactly the entire point of this discussion never to make it about "me". But to have seen this thread get so many arguements while every other political topic with their shitstorm been closed
Did I get you right?
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We do stop already since here nothing to discuss more - you've deleted all your posts.
Anyways, thanks for another lesson on people's nature diversity.
Nowadays it's hard to distinguish the "opposite opinion" and "justifying murders and violence". But world (I in particular) is learning.
UPDATED: The dude will delete his post below anyways, but his correction are heard and was taken into consideration. I am updating my last sentence as the following:
Nowadays it's hard to distinguish the "opposite opinion" and "justifying murders (but all murdered Ukrainias may say thanks to Zelenskiy, who is also guilty that this killings happens in the first place) and violence (but that was forced violence - Zelenskiy simply forced puten to react on his guilt, though I do сondemn puten as well as Zelenskiy!) War and violence is very-very bad. But this topic about bad russians is getting old - let's close this discussion ".
Huh, now it looks correct
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If people believe in zelensky, why would my opinion sway them any otherwise? Seriously.
And again if i say one is not without fault either, doesn't automatically mean i say putin is the good guy, i even said he was a dictator (and that's just a simple fact as he is not elected in a normal way), crazy in his thinking and behaviour.
Why is it my "job" to keep every thing i come across about zelensky, putin, or even a Biden, or whatever to keep records of it, am i standing on a trial or something? I don't believe so, i got a life thank you very much. But for the rest i am seriously done with you.
I am not wiping "tracks", i never said anything bad or be ashamed of, i was pointing the arguements (and insults) that took place, yet any other political shitstorm threads got closed, but for some reason not this, the double standards (Even from Mskotor), also how f,e a thread about Iran where a woman was murdered by a policeman, the protests getting killed off by the government wouldn't last here either.
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If people believe in zelensky, why would my opinion sway them any otherwise? Seriously.
I did not voted for him last presidential elections in Ukraine. And during his time being a president pre-war I was not proud of him being the president of my country. But he is definitely not the reason this war started and not a second guilty person after puten - as you were trying to picture.
Saying "get lost with your jump-in - jump-out - delete" is kind of rude and not appropriate in public discussion. So, just simply stop doing this and go play some good game or two.
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No, getting called all sorts of names is rude (not by you), that's my reason to delete the entire shitstorm.
Again you make assumptions, please stop that, the same again now even slightly assuming i might say zelensky started the war, i never even remotely having said that ever.
About being totally innocent there is a long debate people can have over, but i won't, it's not even my place, it's not my war, it's not my knowledge.
Oh and i will play games, don't worry.
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Again you make assumptions, please stop that, the same again now even slightly assuming i might say zelensky started the war, i never even remotely having said that ever.
I'm not assuming or something like that. This is your exact quote from one of the posts deleted by you:
i think otherwise that's maybe also based on gut feeling, maybe i am wrong, but usually in a war two sides are in the wrong.
Saying such in the face of Ukrainian whose country was invaded, who did not see his children and wife for an 8 months, who sleep in the corridor on the floor far from the windows, and whose distant relative was torn to pieces by russian shelling - which reaction did you expect?
I think you are good guy and meant nothing bad, but this is like to say to wife crying over the dead body of man in yellow shit "No wonder to be killed wearing such colors".
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Well first off i did say USUALLY, not always. I can name examples where i do mean it in, but i refrain (to keep it short). Offcourse a whole list weren't bad either in WW2. But i can understand how that looks yes.
There is nothing in that sentence still that makes me say zelensky started the war? For the rest if i read some things that are atleast questionable on the Ukraine side (not about starting a war, but certain actions in the war, and no it's not my job having to keep records and show them as some sort of trial, didn't think i needed to) to have formed my own opinion, not that of yours, or the next door neighbour, and does not automatically make me a "putin lover".
I am definitely not trying to be bad, the whole reason (for the last time) was the double standards why all political (shitstorm) threads got closed yet this stays open with all it's argueing here, regardless what my opinion is about the thread (or the war) itself, it was totally not about that.
Let's just leave it here okay, i think nothing new will get added, i am done, it's touchy, i am not trying to offend, or be bad, i'll keep out and ignore it, that just seems best..
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WW2? maybe you want to tell us something about Jews? We want to hear it.
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If people care about the other conflicts going on in the world, then threads can be made for them, by the people invested.
This topic will likely 'drag on' as long as the war does, as a hub for the subject even if there is little to actually discuss. It keeps it all in one place, and it is hardly clogging up the forums. If you feel it is getting old, simply do not attend the thread.
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It's also irrelevent.
They don't have to explain anything to you, especially when I'm pretty sure the vast overwhelming majority never even implied it's 'more important'. It doesn't need to be more important. They only need to be interested in the subject, because this is the off-topic subforum, and there is no requirement to validate or explain their interest or investment in the subject. Not even when pointlessly requested.
It's okay to not be interested in a subject.
It's okay to not want to click it.
It's a public space, and it caters to no one persons tastes.
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If you don't undrstand just get lost, people dying every day. Have you ever seen dead children? No? STFU
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This thread was originated by Ukrainian. And it is related to his (our) pain and life and the things we care.
So, you addressed wrong ppl asking "why no threads regarding Russia bombing to dust Syria", etc. Ask Syrian SG users.
If you care about anime you will start "Last official anime you saw". If you are not, you will not create one on behalf of anime lovers. Kind of weird example, mb, but this is my guess.
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Buy some coffee and live in comfort. Keep drawing attention to rest of world, when people die in the neighboring yard. If Ukraine fall you agree to fight with ruski?
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Occams razor says the arguing and swearing comes down to frustration at you placing "I don't want to see the thread bumped" above their personal investments in an invasion.
By defaulting to being so instantly reductive and demeaning while also posturing as being rational and pleasant, while you are entering a subject you care nothing for just to complain about it's existence annoying you? You are in fact provoking more frustration and more of these kinds of responses. And they are understandable.
Then to top it off you layer on whataboutism in an effort to criticise their morality when your own lack of base empathy can't seem to reconcile with why this thread exists, it's only natural you're going to face conflict.
This is a problem of your own making.
And, as you were so happy to point out in others : a double standard.
You are judgemental and apathetic but expect those invested in this subject to endure pointless nitpicking when you don't even want to be in this thread, have no stake in the matter, and seem to enjoy the self-evaluation that you're rational when you seem in an awful hurry to adopt the least charitable kneejerk responses to replies, rather than appraising them with a bit of lucidity and trying to understand the basic social cues and underpinning factors.
If you dislike the prickles you face, you may want to consider not jumping into the bramble bush.
Especially when your chief concern is "man I hate looking at that bramble bush that I don't have to pay any attention to at all".
"Have a nice day" indeed, you patronising troll.
Of course, I'm sure you'd like to springboard off me calling you a troll and try to portray me as 'emotional' or less composed or intelligent than yourself or merely namecalling, but this is actually me trying to be charitable. Because if you're not actually behaving this way to troll people, then it likely means you are genuinely lacking a certain degree of social grace and emotional intelligence, and I'd hate for you to be offended while you're up in a literal war thread saying it annoys you that you have to see it even exists.
:U
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if i remember his posts correctly, even they rejected him, this sounds horrible at first glance, but seeing his unhealthy demand for attention, i can understand them now. People like him will never understand, that their behaviour is the real problem
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You've made 1.4k threads, a lot of them about yourself. I don't see how one thread you can just ignore is so eyesore for you.
People may not want to see threads about LGBTQ, natural disasters, key dumps, last song I heard etc. But it never will be a reason to close them. And surely not to go to one and write they "drag for so long".
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I am just claiming something been dragging over over 8 months without much news of anything other then this war will continue to happen
you obviously didn't followed this thread much, there are constantly posts about what's happening in the war, sprinkled with russian propaganda from trolls and instead of just ignoring this thread, you started a useless discussion, which inflates this thread with useless posts, like those russian trolls do it
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Also please point out to Uroboros too about his "patronising troll". And CTAC for his dirty little bitch comment.
If you go to a thread where people looked for information and support after war, and say it should be closed as you don't like it - you should expect pushback. You don't go to a opera house with boombox and act surprised people throw you out. If you don't like a particular thread, you should avoid it. Not go to it and complain. You do complain about people you don't like going to your thread to "disrupt it". And here you do the same thing.
I am not even saying oh i am all pro putin, or zelensky is bad.. I am just claiming something been dragging over over 8 months without much news of anything other then this war will continue to happen, the double standards that Ukraine is important to have a thread about (unlike the many other conflicts in the world) and again not had any counter arguement about that.
You are free to make posts about topics you find important, and try to moderate discussion there. So you are free to make post about other conflict zones and update it. Or about mission of doctors without borders. Or anything. You can't say that because another similar topic did not pop up in the past this one is disallowed as you don't like it.
This is off-topic, I will not write anymore here. If you want you can make ticket and discuss it there.
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No wonder you are fed up with these topics.
If you are not disgusted, you are not a human being.
So you are not crazy.(war topic)
Would you like to add a topic category for the topic of war?
This is the conclusion reached.🤔
It is roughly 7/8 months old.
It was decided that it was not necessary for the community to create a new category and that it would be appropriate to hide those who did not want to see it in the "script".
There was originally a time when Russian citizens, exposed to the unreasonableness of the Russian government, would come here to avoid censorship and get correct information.
Until about a month ago, some people would have escaped from Russia to other countries.
These days, no one here would speak ill of Russia despite the fact that they are connecting from Russia.
It is because of the danger to themselves.
Naturally, you'll find the Ukrainian claims and the kind of content that the Russian government embassies are calling out are being posted.
There will be no ordinary citizen who thinks there is any justification for murdering others. Therefore, you should not think of being a Russian citizen as equal to being a murderer.
It is also a way to circumvent censorship and ensure that they get the "correct" information they need to live their lives as human beings.
It is easy to be a beast.
Simply say "yes" to all those who have more power than you.
It is a practice that can be seen not only in Russia, but also in other unfortunate countries around the globe.
Don't be one of those people who turn people into beasts by taking away their access to information.
From my experience with other social networking sites, I can tell you that without this place, you will be even more fed up with the new discussions that will be a barrage of distortions of the Russian and Ukrainian claims.
The response then might be to say, "We will ban political stories from each country.
If you like word-hunting about who the "political stuff" is for, that might be fine too.
Perhaps it will create an undesirable hell for mental health, as all supporters(Moderators) will be labeled as having various political ideas.
We live in a time when war is a topic that does not disappear no matter where you look on the Internet.
(We are caught up in it.)
It is also a good idea to gain peace of mind by not looking.
It is also good to gain peace of mind by looking.
Some things can be helped by being prepared.
That is freedom and should be respected.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmByi--2cdA
Blasts at Sevastopol Harbor in Crimea -- Admiral Makarov Claimed Sunk, Helicopter Intercepts UUV
The telegraph has picked it up as well although other news outlets are slowly following
Russia claims minor damage only.
Last time they claimed that their flagship ended up sunk.
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'Massive' drone attack on Black Sea Fleet - Russia - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63437212
Ukraine war: Russia halts grain deal after 'massive' Black Sea Fleet attack - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63439760
Russia has announced it is suspending its involvement in the internationally-brokered deal that allows Ukraine to export grain from its Black Sea ports.
It came hours after it accused Ukraine of a "massive" drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, Crimea.
Ukraine responded by saying Russia was "inventing terror attacks".
Without providing evidence, Russia also accused British troops of being involved in Saturday's attack - and in blowing up gas pipelines last month.
In its response, the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) said Russia was "peddling false claims of an epic scale".
Russia's defence ministry says drones used in Saturday's attack targeted ships involved in the grain deal. It said one vessel had received minor damage.
(omission)
🤔Is the Ukraine side claiming they didn't do it?
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The Russians are unhappy because, it's cheating. According to Russian standards, drones must hit civilian targets, not military boats. Plus they were floating drones, the Iranians don't sell that stuff.
Russia would have stopped the grain deal anyway, so it doesn't matter what is said.
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You yourself have just noticed that the statements of the head of Vladimir Zelensky's office, Andrei Ermak, turn out to be false, although he gave an interview that the Russians themselves did it.
Yes, and this was written https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/29/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-artillery.html
The new capabilities were on display in the predawn hours Saturday when Ukrainian drones hit a Russian vessel docked in the Black Sea Fleet’s home port of Sevastopol, deep in the occupied territory of Crimea, once thought an impregnable bastion.
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apparently the outcome was not good. Grain prices will go up, inflation will go up again.
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James Waterhouse on Twitter: "Unbelievable footage from one of the marine drones used in the attack on Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. (Via Ukrainian journalist Andriy Tsaplienko) Full story: " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/JamWaterhouse/status/1586358395933970433
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There seems to be a video online of what appears to be a maritime drone a few dozen seconds before it leads to the first video you attached.🙄🍴🛳🏊
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9tNwORmwro
Showing the attack and even the helicopter intercepting one of boats.
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[Video on Twitter] - Meanwhile in Russia: several panelists threw some truth grenades at the stunned TV hosts, look how those angry propagandists pummeled the pundit who said that by destroying the infrastructure, Russia is waging a cruel, sadistic war against civilians. He won't be invited back.
A little story that says a lot about Putin's holy war and his crusaders.
[Video on Twitter] - 90 year old Ukrainian grandma tells how her home was robbed by Russian occupants.
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[Video on Twitter] - 90 year old Ukrainian grandma tells how her home was robbed by Russian occupants.
Where did she tell that there were Russians? Specify a time in the video. Or you just posting propaganda for lowbrained users?
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Sure, we can assume it was created for propaganda and that has been accepted by anyone with half a brain. But yet here you come each time spamming same bullshit comment anytime something is posted against your fascist army.
But fine, I'll play ball - why would it specify russians did it? Are you too dumb to understand the context? Russia invaded the country, people living there now are retelling what happened. Of course it is about Russian soldiers. UA forces has zero logic of "plundering" and stealing. We have accepted Ukraine in west and Ukrainians have finally certain standard of living. Russian forces are the one who have come from country where even indoor plumbing is scarce.
But of course we know how Russian mind works already since you haven't changed since WW2. Russians invaded Baltics and as always stole and raped. But of course Russians kept on pushing the idea how only Germans did that. Whole in truth the regions mainly controlled by Germany had almost no cases of something like that. It's west against east all over again - civilized world versus a country which sees it's military as a wall of meat to send into grinder. Of course they will steal and rape.
Ukraine is defending against invading force. There is zero logic for defenders to plunder their own homes..... Argh the lack of logic in anything you trolls bring up is way below any critique
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They don't need logic. their only purpose is to sow the distrust and question every thought that doesn't align with their "Metodichka", a set of rules and approved actions that gets sent out every now and then to all media participants.
If they sow the distrust, we get people like Lugum, who say "oh it's not all black and white, the situation is nuanced, both sides are to blame". At this point the trolls win, unfortunately.
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People like Lugum, wow thanks, and we go on, do we? NOT what i said..It's people like you that love to shuffle a few words to fit their own profiling/framing.
Leave me the bloody hell alone out of this, i already withdrawn in this shitstorm of the poltical discussions these always turn into, but normally gets ended and i want to stay out.
I just pointed out the hypocrisy on that, because it's about Ukraine and religion free, if we gonna have a thread about the things in Iran it will definitely get the same results but closed because of the excuse that religion is involved (like all the others),
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you must apologize to All Ukraine users for your rotten words
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I must, i must, aren't we a dictator now, Herr "meister"?
The only thing i must is ignore sick idiot people like you who put someone like me automatically in a putin lover box without any reasoning. So bye!
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I think you should apologize or get banned, what you choose?
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Again Herr "meister" the dictator. I really should be the wiser one just keeping my mouth shut.
But by all means i want to invite you to write a ticket, and i will be happily await the results, which is.."nothing" based on nothing.
Mskotor was here yesterday reading all along, and she gave 1 warning, and it wasn't to me.
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"people like you", how quaint. I meant exactly this - by this point in the war there is no "gray", people can absolutely clearly see who is the evil side here. No exceptions. As there are no exceptions to who is responsible for this war. Only one country, led by only one president. So, anyone claiming to see this situation as anything other than genocide and Nazi 2.0 from the russian side, is either delusional, or misled, or is actively playing for russia.
Look, I'm really sorry that the war started by Poopoo, left hundreds of thoudands people dead, millions displaced or homeless, is INCONVENIENT for you. Truly, I would also want this to not be happening. But you know what, it is happening, and while for people outside Ukraine it's just a news story - for us it is our daily lives. We never know when a rocket is gonna fly in and kill us, or when a russian soldier would come and rape, torture and then kill us.
So please bear with this. If we can hold on while living under constant bombardment and rocket strikes, so can you, living far away from all this horror.
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Then don't go start with "People like Lugum" and then complain about the fact that someone mentions "People like You" in return..
You do actually and exactly frame me in some sort of box that maybe i am also pro putin, or got 0 sympathy for the suffering in the Ukraine. That's all on you,and anyone who might think that, i am out.
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Well, this is how your messages were read by practically everyone. So maybe it's not us, but the way you framed your messages.
I framed you as a "doubter", most likely just a misled person, rather than an active genocide supporter. These are huge in numbers, thanks to russia's psyops. It's mostly not their fault, it's just russia being extremely good at blurring or obscuring the truth.
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Woah back off with the "everyone", a handful of like 3-4 people that exploded (and insulted) over things, again framing, maybe the majority did not see it the way you did, but how i actually meant it?
I even clearly said putin was a dictator (it's a simple fact looking at how he got elected) that he got some bizarre and crazy thinking, yet i was still being claimed a "putin lover".
Again for the last time this pointing at was never about my opinion if we should have to keep this open still after 8 months and my opinion in that, or even what i find about zelensky, it does not matter one bit.
I was pointing out the fighting and argueing (which i also encountered apparently) and how every single political shitstorm thread got closed, but not this...for some reason.
And the reason is only because the war isn't religion involved, but should one open a thread about Iran and the horrors there, it will end in the same poltical argueing, but closed eventually under the excuse of religion..That's all and nothing else to it..Why doesn't anyone post about the 150 people that got killed/trampled under in Seoul?
All i said (even with my covid thread) is how certain people just blindly follow their main stream media, but how it isn't so honest anymore, if i read f.e things how zelensky or a (group of uktraine people atleast) "staged" certain things, then who is to say who is right or wrong? Noone except those involved, and you live in the Ukraine so you are atleast somewhat involved. I am not, and my opinion is totally irrelevant to the course.
Let's leave me out of it please, i tried honestly to by removing myself, again i never tried to diminish any suffering of the Ukraine people, offcourse i feel for the people, but there is plenty more suffering going on in the world.
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Media is always portraying the situation to somebody's benefit, that is for sure. But of course, there is a difference between russian media saying some outrageous shit (again, like they always do), and ukrainan or western media refuting those claims, or even flipping the situation with facts. Yes, one has to be careful when consuming information, i is very easy to get fooled into believeing things that are simply not true. And yes, you are right, only ones who live in the affected countries, can really know what is going on.
It can be frustrating how the current thread is still alive, despite all the fights - but you can clearly see that fights only begin when putin worshippers come and try to stir the water. You happened to receive the "warm welcome" not because people think you support Poopoo, but rather because your messages were perceived in a manner consistent with the real trolls (of which we had seen a ton already). So I'm sure it's nothing personal in your case, just people who are tired and angry from all that's happening, having a knee jerk reaction.
But even despite all the drama and fights, this thread is important. People need to know the genocide is still going on. And honestly, if Ukraine were to fall, Europe would be next on russia's path. So this topic is not only about Ukrainian struggle, it's a news feed about Europe's future.
I get that it can be frustrating to see other conflicts be less visible, but it's only up to the people who wish to talk about them. In here, people post things they care about. The fact that the religion is the same between russia and Ukraine is a mere coincidence. But I think if the stakes were as high as they are now, even the religion wouldn't matter. Offenders who seek confrontation would be warned/banned, but the thread would still continue.
Sorry for the wall of text. I do hope I understand you, and I hope you understand my vision of this too.
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More suffering in the world? Where in the world 400 persons died every day during 8 month? All mass media talks about nuclear terrorism. What the fuck is even more important than that?
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"Where in the world 400 persons died every day during 8 month?"
That's an interesting question. 150+K people die each day within 220 countries more or less, so that's a little under 700 people per day on average if every country had the same population. The Vatican's population is only 500 and China's is close to 1.5 billion so I tried looking up if there was a specific number for Ukraine which led me to finding that there were on average 1920 deaths per day (before the war).
"Prior to war, Ukraine was losing 80 people per hour, leading us to a shameful second place in the world in terms of the number of deaths per thousand of population (15.72 in 2014)" https://voxukraine.org/en/mortality-in-ukraine-en/
If what you are saying is true and now only 400 people die per day, and that is 400 too many, then this war is preventing the usually much higher death per day count, which doesn't make any sense. Anyway, fuck war, carry on.
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"again i never tried to diminish any suffering of the Ukraine people"
You wanted the thread closed because seeing it bumped annoyed you.
You used whataboutism because the people partaking in the thread weren't also simultaneously being vocal about all other conflicts within this thread discussing one specific event. Even here, you finish with "but there is plenty more suffering going on the world".
The pushback you faced comes largely at your lack of lucidity and social grace when addressing a very present and ongoing emotive subject. If you wanted to be left out of this, you only needed not to keep coming back into the thread. Their mention of you was not you being victimised, it was observance about the pattern of your attitude and behaviour. You have acted in a certain way. People noticed. That will not be washed off by coming back to re-engage with the subject you say you do not care for, and will more than likely only serve to make things worse as you continue to dig your heels in and repeat the same patterns.
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Liz Truss' phone 'HACKED by Russian agents working for Vladimir Putin' | The Sun
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20263601/liz-trusss-phone-hacked-russian-agents/
During her approximately 45-day tenure, she may have leaked important information about Ukraine, the West, and the NATO, resulting in a negative impact on international markets and causing the current situation?
There are stories of Russian and Chinese cyber attacks, but stories of computers and smartphones being contaminated with malware from game apps and related mods and ending up in this kind of situation are not just another story, but can happen on a daily basis.
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Microsoft Defender for Individuals | Microsoft 365
Malwarebytes Cybersecurity for Home and Business | Anti-Malware & Antivirus
The truth of the story will be known in time, but remember to defend yourself.
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Funnily enough, I stumbled on this just now.
While it is primarily the Daily Mail, the Sun also jumped onto the bandwagon without bothering to check before copying it.
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I generally agree with you.
If there is no further news for a week or two, I think we can consider it nonsense.
But please do your security checks and defend yourself.
It has been a fact since the beginning of this war that people with lax security are victims and causing trouble to someone in the world. It seems that nuisance has no borders.
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"It was a good 24 hours": Ukrainian Armed Forces kill almost 1,000 Russian occupiers in one day
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that on 29-30 October, Ukrainian units killed 950 Russian occupiers.
Over the past few days, it was on average maybe 400 to 500 Russian occupiers killed.
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https://www.politnavigator.net/vyryvaya-zuby-drakona-cifry-voennykh-poter-ukrainy-ne-dolzhny-nas-obmanyvat.html
Although the article is in Russian, but in it, as here, readers did not expect, but they question the data provided by the officials about the losses. And all the data.
These are, for example, the latest data from OSINT investigators. With links to data received via Starlink satellite modems from ambulance radio frequencies, reports from funeral agencies, extracts from morgues, as well as the results of analysis of radio, cellular and satellite exchange of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is claimed that the irretrievable losses of Ukraine on October 20, 2022 amounted to 402,000 people, 387,000 of whom were killed.
But they don't really believe this data, although it's not the Russian media, and they immediately reduce it by 7 times.
But at the same time, 700,000 people were attracted to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And that says a lot. https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-700-000-soldiers-fighting-123200688.html Article dated May 21, 2022.
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So the 'data' you collected is dated May 21, 2022 or earlier. A lot has happened since, including Putin's partial mobilization of 300K. Even now with reinforcements, Russia cannot make any real progress on the battlefield. Russia has spent its time between terrorist attacks, false claims and begging for negotiations. Your data is crap.
Ukraine has the initiative on the battlefield but when it comes to bullshit, Russia has the initiative.
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Read carefully. 700,000 were called up in the month of May. But they wrote about 400,000 already in October.
It turns out that against 700,000 that were recruited into the Ukrainian army, only 200,000 Russian soldiers fought. And what an initiative, to fill up with meat, this is just not an indicator, this is just a flaw.
Or have you already forgotten when there was a limited mobilization in Russia?
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I understand that you didn't understand what I wanted to tell you. And I just wanted to inform you that all the data that I post about the losses of the opposite side is incorrect in 99% of cases, which is exactly what the article is about. In reality, no one knows the loss. In some cases, they are simply drawn from the fool, the main thing is to show as much as possible, but not to talk about their own. But then the victory will write off. In fact, this is bad, bad in terms of the fact that there are losses. That's the worst part.
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[Video on Reddit] or [Twitter] - Russia's retreat from the Kherson region is... not going well. (Make sure you watch to the end!)
That says a lot. The Russians panic, they try to 'regroup' in a safer remote location. The lack of military equipment, in this case the lack of a military vehicle. And the outcome, with the soldier's cry of pain. 😨😰
The second army of the world, they said. 🥶
[Video on Twitter] - Russian Mobilized from the Adyghe Republic show off their received machine guns, probably some of these are even capable of shooting.
Meanwhile, for ukrainians,
[Video on Reddit] - UK donated mastiff goes on a mine. Crew barely feels it
To be fair, it wasn't an anti-tank mine, but still. 😎
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Prepare for more months. What defeat are you talking about? So far Poo is still on Ukraine land. If someone would like to rise stakes, he would be ok with that. He went all in from day one.
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What defeat are you talking about?
They are now drafting civilians into service to throw more fodder into the mouths of the cannons hoping... I don't know... that untrained civilians are going to be able to do what the mighty Russian army hasn't been able to do yet.
And still, they are not fully occupying Ukraine, let alone obtained a surrender.
That defeat.
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Newly recruited are thrown to the frontlines as cannon fodder, which they become almost right away. Those who survive, are lucky. There's no indication those conscripts can even hold places, not to say advance on Ukrainian positions.
Poopoo is continuing this war until he's breathing, and until he has more citizens to send to the battle.
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At this point what he is hoping to accomplish with civilians that he couldn't do with his trained professional forces, including some "elite" troops?
And if he is really that terminal with dementia or whatever else is crippling his brain, is there literally no-one he hasn't thrown out a window in his entourage who would put an end to his misery and everyone else's?
Not that war usually makes any sense but this has to be the most nonsensical in history. Even the Vietnam war made more sense (if you put yourself in the paranoid shoes of the US towards communism at least) and that's saying a lot.
Meanwhile people die.
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If you are talking about the evil actions of the Russian government....
2. Drafting the weakest members of society and sending them to the front lines, effectively putting them to death.
(This should be considered a disregard for human rights.)
3. they may have tried to clean up the political corruption on the battlefield by taking out the warlike politicians in the Russian government and immediately cease-fire, but they failed.(nonsence)
Perhaps up to the first point, this is something that mankind can understand.
The powers that be and the government are probably more important than human life. :(
It is unspeakably terrible that the people of Ukraine are in the mess they are in now, mostly because of the internal problems of the Russian government.
The second is probably an act of treating human life as the same animal as store meat, without giving special consideration to human life.
While some countries around the world take the stance that if a baby has a disability, he or she should die with dignity, others take social welfare measures to ensure that the baby will live for a lifetime, regardless of any remaining disabilities.
Therein lies the difference between the best and the worst attitudes toward human life.
The Russian government has
There is no room for rehabilitation for criminals.
(Enemies of the Russian government will remain enemies forever.)
Wants to reduce the cost of prison to zero.
Does not recognize people as human beings whose labor productivity does not exist in social welfare.
(No respect for the fact that human beings are wonderful just to be alive, no respect for the ideas of others and other countries.)
In cold regions, survival is more difficult than in warm regions, and such choices may come naturally.
Well, the population is aging in many parts of the world and the elderly are favored to influence politics with their votes.
This has resulted in countries where young people are exploited and have no environment to have children.
In the case of African countries, they are making a lot of children as "labor force", but they repeat the hell with the problem of water and food poverty and epidemics that continue every year.
Russia has been trading diplomatic engagements with the U.S. and Latin American and African countries since the days of the former Soviet Union.
The answer to those experiences is...
In the case of the Western countries and the U.S., a technological solution is possible and does not bankrupt social life.
In the case of the Russian government, the solution is to remove all entities that cannot be considered human as a government at the stage of possible bankruptcy.
In the case of China, it is to steal both successful and established policies and use them to protect the vested interests of the old.
Is that about right?
This is only based on my biased observation of people on earth.
There was a world-famous Russian diva named Origa.
When she fell ill, she could recover in Japan.
However, her choice to leave her fortune for her family instead of recovering from her illness raised questions, and I have done some research on the Russian view of life and death, which is why I am telling you this story.🤔
I understand to some extent how it got there.
But it doesn't change the fact that I don't feel good about it.
Has Europe ever become the eurozone and lost its culture?
There may have been a few countries that gained a little and some that lost a lot, but it has been rectified.
The earth has the UN, but Russia has only had equal counsel with China, and if it had the same level of engagement with India, it might have been less extreme in its dealings.
Perhaps the Russian government has become so accustomed to rejecting opportunities for discussion and correction by "vetoing" them that it has allowed bad habits to persist that should not have remained.
Now, a quick end to the war and a change in the face of the Russian government would be desired by the Russian people and the world at large.
Can the postwar earth be tolerant of other cultures and ideas?
Perhaps the understanding of other cultures necessary to be tolerant is necessary now.
If possible, we may also need to think in order to make the possession of weapons of mass destruction meaningless.
(Currently, the entire world is stockpiling for national defense out of alarm over Russia's actions.)
If we do not want a fourth world war, we must.
The Russian people will rejoice as their government will be overthrown in due course.
The most important thing is how they will deal with the world after they are happy.
The "mass purge" that accompanied the Vietnam War is another horror story.
Khmer Đỏ, I think it was....
When I think of the words "nationalism" and "ethnic cleansing," the current Russian government must have no interest in the culture and history of other countries.
History is forgotten and repeated.
*typo delete
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Anton Gerashchenko Twitter : 「Russian propagandists suggest reviving Soviet practices of barrier units (that shoot their own soldiers trying to flee) and say that current Russian repressive system in the army is too mild. 」 / Twitter
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1587077257809494016
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I am not saying that I am talking inhumane nonsense, but rather a source that the Russian government and Russian TV actually claim this is the case.
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Can the postwar earth be tolerant of other cultures and ideas?
Amen, Kappa.
I know it's easy to reduce the evils of Putin to one man (and some form of dementia, as I do not believe even him could be so nonsensical and grandiose without an actual mental condition) and there is always a few decades (or centuries) of history, some of which we collectively bear responsibility for (our countries and governments past and present anyway).
But surely we bear a greater responsibility to our collective future and that's on us. When this war ends, we will have to strive to avoid post-WWI Germany levels of humiliation that led to the radicalisation of the people and WWII
History is forgotten and repeated.
Sad truth.
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ive been getting a lot of spam/scam emails titled " meet Ukrainian girls" maybe its trying to tell me its time to get a mail order bride. could be fun. maybe she will train and farm stuff on my runescape for me while i sleep or play my steam games for me
all in all the emails are getting kinda annoying v__v
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Grain ships continue to sail, without Russia's approval. Nobody needs Russia's permission.
Ships leave Ukraine with more than 350,000 tons of grain, despite Moscow's exit from deal
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Inform that the way will be unsafe and let the captain make a decision. And then a random Ukrainian drone (they just struck at the civilian infrastructure of the port) and now everyone is standing in the port.
And to questions about security, there will be an answer that there was a warning, but they decided to go themselves.
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"And to questions about security, there will be an answer that there was a warning, but they decided to go themselves."
You make me sick.
Stop rooting for Russia to blow up food and innocent people. What the f for?
What do actually hope to accomplish by illegally blowing up a civilian ship with grain? Just to piss of the rest of the world even more? Now not only the west, we will have more than enough food anyway. But Russia will also piss off the poor countries because they are the ones mostly effected by it. What did they do to Russia? Russia invades a country so poor people aren't allowed to eat? So Russia wants them to die too? Typical Russia.
Just because Russia gives an warning for illegal activity, doesn't mean the whole world should kneel down and suck his d.
You are one disgusting person and belong in a mental hospital together with Putin.
Gross.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-lavrov-needles-biden-over-180032114.html
In an interview for a Russian state television documentary on the missile crisis, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said there were similarities to 1962, largely because Russia was now threatened by Western weapons in Ukraine.
And when we though they can't be even more idiotic, this clown open his mouth again. I am starting to have a feeling Kremlin truly is so out of touch with reality of this world they truly believe they are some saviors sent by god and that everyone else is a nazi threatening them.
How long we will have to deal with their idiocy I wonder.... This should be an eye opener for those who still claim neutrality or try to shift the attention away from the war - we are all in the same boat here. Russia has pushed far enough and tested waters of readiness of the west. If we give in now it would be the end of influence of the west and you have to brain dead to think that sick dreams of Soviet Union 2.0 by dictator putler is anything desirable. That is why threats like this and information of the war HAS to be shared and talked about so the more arrogant ones realize this is not some local problem that is easily solved. This is a nuclear power pushing the world to a nuclear war. And they have to be stopped. There is absolutely zero open points in this argument or anything speaking in favor of russia. For the more thick skulls - it is nuclear power controlled by psychotic dictator. This is not North Korea which is joke in itself.
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It's tagged as unconfirmed news there: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/yigli8/russians_fired_at_civilian_tugboats_transporting/
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