i dont know to be honest but since its deep silver maybe its timed like exodus
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Thank you Shenmue 3, very cool
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People should try and start a class action against them if it initially stated Steam on the Kickstarter. People need to learn to stop screwing consumers.
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they are doing petitions and im sure they will do a class action
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They sure know how to get that good community vibe going.
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no doubt this will be the first of many backer opt out of any other crowd-funding game. it's a shame really, just the fault of some dev (publisher) other are also get their sht
just my prediction though
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No doubt some backers are pissed off now. These Epic exclusives are getting out of hand.
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The worst is that it's going to set a precedent.
Next time a publisher advertises a Steam release, backers are going to think twice.
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ikr like what did happen with mighty n9 , this may screw potentially good kickstarter games
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oh gosh.
I can't help but feel sorry for old man Yu Suzuki, who had to sell out for his art, through a fake crowdfunding campaign, not to get the money he needs, but just to prove possible publishers that the series is still marketable. being patted in the back by people who thought him to be irrelevant, all because a certain crowdfunding
Last time i heard or cared to hear about it, Sony had backed the project.
but now even Deep Silver is in the mix, and oh boy, are they back to their usual nonsense
I wasn't hyped for it, but now i'm afraid the game wont even have an opportunity to be judged with a clear mind.
having to dig up this project from the dead, only to see everything crumbling down before its even released :(
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An already niche game, more niche now. Yai! I hope they expect to sell any copy of the eventual Shenmue 4.
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Although I agree promising a Steam key and not delivering is bad, and I'm not a big fan of exclusivity to store X or Y, I'm a bit saddened to read in the comments on Kickstarter how strongly some fanboys will defend Valve's monopoly...
When did consumers become so unaware of their own best interest? 🙄
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Eh, always been that way. Remember the whole Xbox vs Playstation thing? Coke vs Pepsi, Windows vs Mac, etc...
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Consumers best interest is being forced into currently worst working store/client on entire PC market? Yeah I sure wonder who's the real platform fanboy here...
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The consumers' best interest is to have access to a diversity of offers (in this case, a diversity of stores). There are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of Steam exclusives. But sure, Epic and its few dozens of exclusives is the evil one... 🤔
Oh, and Epic/Steam/whatever aren't "platforms". PCs or consoles are.
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Yeah tell me about all those other stores that even remotely try offering a better store/client. Oh yeah that's right none of them even try. Steam didn't had to buy off those thousands of games. Publishers/devs chose the best platform on the market on their own volition. But whatever it's completely pointless to talk with your kind of people. Epic and it's strategies has merit by default for merely existing apparently. Diversity of not even attempting to offer something superior=le glorious competition.
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Publishers/devs chose the best platform on the market on their own volition.
Are you implying that some devs chose to go for an Epic exclusive at gunpoint? And what's wrong with Epic's client anyway?
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The information it requires just so i could buy a game.
how inconvenient it is to search for a title
how it doesn't let you purchase more than one game at once
the lack of boards and community, reviews or scores.
Mistakes they have done like discounting games without informing publishers beforehand. Making it extremely unfair to those who couldn't buy the discounted game because it had to be removed of the store, consequently having to remove games for the store just to stop it going on sale.
blocking people from buying multiple products at one time
the fact that their idea of competition is to stop other stores from selling the product
no achievements
no workshop
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You wouldn't see an elephant in a corridor if it was called "Monopoly", would you?
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ehhh, but there's GOG, Discord shop, Microsoft game store, itch.io, Kartridge, Uplay, Origin, Blizzard.net, Gamejolt.....
just because steam is the biggest (monopoly?), doesnt mean steam is bad. especially because steam NOT forcing to buy exclusive in their store
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another plus for valve, they aren't charging their customers with an extra fee because they can't afford the expenses of covering the "holy 12%" ^^
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he's basically say, 12% is FAKE
since consumer should play another $$$ for processing fee
it's even worst since not every place has the same fee
but don't forgot, 12% fee are only applicable in EGS store only
if it goes on HB, greenman etc, it doesnt count
well at least steam does it
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this is what people usually call a trash developer/publisher
keep supporting them, boys!
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Mindboggling how some people act like Epic and Valve are sports teams, and sit around cheering Valve on and wanting them to "beat" Epic. Maybe it's just a human tendency to pick sides, this tendency to see "my" team/tribe/political party/whatever as the Good Guys and anything competing with them as "bad", and wanting the "good side" to "win".
They're both game publishers. They both offer good deals. The main thing, at least for me, are the games themselves, not which service I'm downloading them from. All the outrage over Epic lately is getting kind of ridiculous.
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The main thing, at least for me, are the games themselves, not which service I'm downloading them from.
It's besides the point, though - The issue is that the "vendor" sold one thing but provided another.
If the Kickstarter campaign had not stated that the game would be on Steam, and they'd have listed "PC digital" instead of "Steam" for their options, I'd be inclined to agree with you - Don't like it? Don't buy it. The problem in this particular case is that the backers were not given the option of not buying it if they don't like it, since they were lied to during the campaign, so I can definitely understand how that made a lot of people angry. I, for one, believe that publishers and developers should always be honest and trusted. Selling one thing and providing a different thing is borderline fraudulent.
Although, I get where you come from and I agree that the Epic Games thing should not be a competition between them and Valve. Both platforms have their issues, and both should be treated individually. Valve isn't your friend, neither is Epic, and both really just want your money. :P
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Finally someone with a healthy mindset !
I feel like hugging you 😄
Things change... life happens... this is an insignificant issue, blown up to super-villain size.
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Epic should get cards already and all problems solved.
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Im playing hades, ashen, already pre-purchased phoenix point and will do so for beyond human too- and shemnue and outerworlds later on. Unless they get on xbox game pass, wich im trying and may stick with (right now xbox game pass is pissing me in some ways no other launcher has).I even got a refund for one title (outward). All games installed quickly, i choose different drivers for each and they're runing ok- just as expected.
Just like every game i had prior to steam and steam sales, and i games i bought on gog and other launchers.
I 'hate' (dislike a lot, i really hate very few things) epic's ceo, tencent and fortnite. That doesn't mean i hate all of epics team, the devs behind the games on their store, and the dev community as a whole- who understandanbly have been wanting for alternatives with just cut rates for years now.
I understand backers getting mad. If i backed a game counting on it beign on steam as such a major point then not delivering on it should afford refunds- and thats what those devs have been doing. And they're not really backing down on promises either- countless projects promised for x platforms were released in some before others. Sure its different in the case of pc but still- they will be coming to steam- and ive heard that devs also provide drm free versions, so its alright on my book. Still i defend and support those backers that want refunds...
...and just the backers
Everyone else is just partying in one big bandwagon of hating that doesn't make much sense. There are real issues regarding epic that i understand someone avoiding it, mistrust being the biggest given their skewy scrapping of data on a previous version- but thats not really what the haters are mad about. You guys are mad that a game is being sold on pc in one store and not the other. On freaking pc. Seriously?
I always found 'pc master race' jokes juvenile but frankly, you guys are sounding like console plebs. Console only gamers and apple users are the only crowd i know that would have problems installing games the old way or using different stores. I remenber back in the day when valve was criticized for forcing pc gamers to install middleware, and dangers that presented for gaming- and it all came true: a monopoly with blind followers going strong side by side with alternatives like gog (drm free)... a 'crysis' on pc gaming pretty much fabricated since the games are available to everyone... to imagine that if gog released next to steam back then we would all be on gog today and hating on any drm launcher... times do change, and much like politics looks like reason left the scene. Come on
Im no Epic fan btw. But i do want at least 2 or 3 true alternatives sharing the market in close terms. I had my own issues with steam in the past, steam only improved via pressure (like legal pressure for refunds), the cuts are still abusive... Id rather gog were the next steam, or that itch grew more, but for now epic and microsoft are fine enougth. Its long past the time valve was such a cool company- for me it seems our options are all bad in some way. Valve only cares for microtransactions and passive income (and vr, but thats aiming at the next new platform they could own as early winners), microsoft have a long history of bs and epic have a bully ceo. The only heroes on pc right now are itch and cdprojekt- and even then i wouldn't forever blinly follow (cdprojekt is public owned- 10 or more years from now, if and when their ceos change, they could turn sour as any other publisher). Point is, the world isn't made of heroes and villains- and on the market it seems every company are villains in some degree. None deserve fans that blindly faithful.
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I personally don't agree with most of this. Epic's problem isn't just its CEO or just Tencent. The information for that is widely available.
People shouldn't be restricted from protest just because they're not monetarily affected. Take the Hong Kong protests as an example. Same goes for complaining online. People have the right to express their disappointment for companies doing things they don't approve of. It's even encouraged, I'd say. Under your own logic, your comment's probably the worst aspect of this thread right now since you're complaining about complaints, so it's even less relevant.
The whole "PC Masterrace" and "you guys are sounding like console plebs" and the comparisons to Apple users... it's the dumbest shit I've read today, so that's cool. Ironic since you describe Steam supporters as "blind followers", while using childish groupings for people.
It's fine if you support other stores and it's fine that you express that to others. Just a damn shame that you don't realize the irony in what you write and that instead of talking to others, you decide to demonize those who you don't agree with.
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I'm amazed how some people still defend Epic with all their lame arguemnts "Oh, it's just another store, oh devs will get more $$$, oh that and that". I said this before, people would not have any problem if the game was also released on Steam, the whole exclusivity thing is what pisses people off. These are digital goods, on the PC platform, they are not developed or published by Epic, so if they wanted real competition in sales, the game would have been on both stores at launch. But it's ok, for those that like the game, it will be on Epic and torrents as well, with less sales.
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I don't think it's even the exclusive deal that are annoying people,. I mean just look at origin, they have all the Mass effect games, the sims, Titanfall and many others as exclusives, and not one is mad at them. no it's more that the game was advertised on steam before it became an epic excursive.
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See? You didn't read what i said: "they are not developed or published by Epic". Mass Effect, Titanfall and all other games from Origin are developed or published by EA -> Origin, while on Epic, other than Fortnite, they didn't publish anything else.
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A few days late on the replay, but they had the option of PC or PS4. On PC it showed Steam required as a client for it. When choosing the key a backer wanted it was to choose for Steam or PS4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYtkTG2_N-E You can see clearly from minute 4 all the details ;).
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This. Is. Why. You. Should. Never. Kick. Start. Shit.
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its like a double edge sword i guess , sometimes you get a good game and sometimes a bad game lol
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Looking over some of the comments in general, I don't understand why Epic knights condemns Valve's monopoly, and praises Epic's challenge against the big bad. Do people actually think Epic is not trying to be a monopoly? I mean that's the end game right? Or does these people people actually believe that Epic is only looking to shake the market around for the betterment of gamers everywhere?
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people are generally ignorant of how businesses work.. They see Epic games as some minor player trying to help out gamers and make gaming great.. yet what Epic is really doing is a scary thought.. How gamers can support that nonsense is beyond me.. Look how Console gaming is, with arbitrary wars bteween console fans.. In all honesty outside of self published games, exclusivity shouldn't exist, it's a plague to gaming.. Before it was only a thing on console gaming, it was unheard of on PC gaming.. WTF would Valve or any other publisher pay to exclude gamers from playing a particular game on the PC..
Epic is about as Anti consumer as you can get,, said they will have opt in reviews, said they'll never have an inventory system (no cards, no in game items you can sell) Is taking a long time to introduce a shopping cart, a feature that is considered a core feature to online shopping like like the year 1999... No achievements (will probably take 2 or 3 years considering how long it's taking them to actually put in a shopping cart),
They have a "generous split" with publishers/developers because they are offsetting their losses with the fortnight money.. This store is bleeding cash atm with all their free games, and 10 dollar sales,, On the outside to most uninformed people it's like.. wow,, but if you are the type of person who looks at trends, Epic games is scary, not from a stand point of shutting down steam, that won't happen, but scary in that it has the potential to crash the PC gaming market again..
I won't even touch on their ties to Tencent, or the ties Tencent has to the Chinese Government and information sharing.. Sure Sweeney said that wont' happen, but he also said games are selling well on Epic game store, and that's just not the case, which is why they don't release game sales figures. and instead use PR talk when discussing how well games have sold on their store..
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I agree with almost all of what you say, apart from this:
... he also said games are selling well on Epic game store, and that's just not the case, which is why they don't release game sales figures
"Coffee Stain Studios has unveiled the sales made by Satisfactory in the Epic Games Store, which were really great: 507,374 copies sold. This is the best launch ever for a Cofee Stain title, as well as one of their games that could sell more copies than ever. For example, consider that Factorio took two years to sell 1.5 million units." (https://sparkchronicles.com/satisfactory-great-sales-in-the-epic-games-store/ -- you can find the same information on many other articles, too)
So it sounds like at least one of the publishers using Epic has released sales figures and it sounds like their game is selling well. :)
Personally I haven't bought anything on Epic ... yet. I almost bit on a few titles in the sale, but I have a huge backlog and I'm assuming all of the exclusives will eventually be on Steam for a similar sort of price at some point in the future anyway, so I held off. (I am ever so slightly worried about missing out on a good price on the last two Walking Dead games, though.)
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To be fair, Factorio made the genre. One could assume that most of the 500k Satisfactory buyers were owners of Factorio. Had it been on both Steam and Epic, I'm pretty sure the sales number would be a hell of a lot more.
Take a look at Metro, a game which consistently outsells it's console counterparts by 2 to 1 (iirc 2033 PC vs XB was 2/3mil vs 500k, LL was 2/3mil vs 800k). Now Exodus launches, and surprise surprise, according to their own statement, the majority of the sales are now made on consoles. A PC FPS game sold more on console than on PC, go figure.
P/s - You could say there was exodus from the PC market. ba dum tss... I'll show myself out.
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Update: There will be refunds. No steam keys though at launch.
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sooo shenmu 3 is only available on epic store for the pc version !!! lol this worse then metro exodus
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/posts/2532170
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