It terrible!
Toki Tori - 2D arcade doesn't work on my 1.4GHz laptop, because videocard doesn't support XNA or something like this. Terraria same.
Jamestown looks like scroll-shooter from NES, but it just exit without any message.
Why???
Godlikes Grand Theft Auto 3 and Max Payne require less resources.
It's terrible. I think that guys, who ask me to buy modern computer to play such casual games should be killed with fire.

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UPD: Especially for smartest indie developers in the world, who is so lazy and couldn't read all thread. (Or may be they just able to code, but not able to read, i'm not sure)
1) I have enough powerful desktop. It runs all games listed above, and also run some games with bigger requirements.
2) I have some coding experience (not game-development related)
3) Yes, Jamestown not looks like NES game, it looks like Sega Genesis game. It's my mistake. Sega is much more powerfull console (it has 8 MHz CPU against 2 MHz in NES).
4) Only game developer may judge is game complicated or not. I'm just miserable customer, who should buy games and new hardware for it.

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Any one ask for a Game programmer? :P

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You are one of them?

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I am ..

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So, i'll be glad to read your opinion.

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1) Go on to study programming.

2) Make a game.

3) Play it all you want.

Really... i don´t think that you have the capacity to do any of these 3 steps.

Just because you're doing this question.

Someone who criticizes something without having the slightest idea ...

You sir, disgusts me

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Of course, everyone, who think that Uwe Boll makes a shit should shoot his own film, right?
And only Clinton and Bush able to criticize Obama.
You are definetly right.

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You can't criticize them if you don't know anything about politics, which is basically what you are doing.

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You are also definetly right.
What about Uwe Boll?

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I don't understand what you said about him but I have also never heard of him before you mentioned him nor have I seen any of his movies so I will not form an opinion on them.

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Oh... He is great. But many people think that his movies are terrible. But first of all they should make their own movie. Only after making movie they will be able to decide which movie is good or bad. Right?

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1st: I study film development, script development, programming and script writer ... so i can talk of this. =/

2nd:U cann´t you talk if you do not know the difference between a game made for a console and one made for pc.

3rd: No matter if you're a casual player or hardcore player, if you really want to play, a laptop without video card isn´t the right choice ...

4th: What gives me the most anger is the title of your topic, if you bought the game (if you really bought it) you should have read the requirements .. so it's your fault, not theirs

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1) Ok.
2) Yeah... But a lot of PC games works fine on my laptop. And it's looks much more complicated.
3) But my laptop has videocard.
Video - Integrated Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME
...
4) I really bough it. And i can read requirements. If you really study something, you should be able to read and understand. Try to read thread again. It's your fault, not mine.

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That is an integrated video chipset, NOT a video card. And it's so old that it doesn't even support any form of pixel shaders or hardware T&L, all it provides is the most basic "draw to monitor" support. Literally every bit of graphics processing on that machine of yours is occurring in software, i.e. on the CPU. That means you have no pixel shaders, no DirectX 8+ compatibility, no Hardware T&L. Virtually any game released in the past ten years requires ONE fo those things. Understand now?

Furthermore: you can HAVE a higher version of DirectX installed on your computer than your video chipset supports. Just because your computer's dxdiag output says "DirectX 9" does not mean your video chipset supports DirectX 9, DirectX 8, or even DirectX 3. It just means that you have DX9 INSTALLED, the software side of things, which does not make up for missing or out-of-date hardware.

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Yeah, we realy need T&L, a lot of shaders, PhysX, CUDA, tesselation and many other technologies to create game like listed above.
For 2D games you don'r need T&L, it required for 3D-graphics. In 2D you just need to "draw to monitor" some sprites and move it.

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I understand ... according to your post you hate programmers because their games... to your judgment would have to consume very few resources do not work on your pc.

What i do not understand its why you bought a game that you will not be able to use?

Is like buying gasoline without car,
Or condoms being death,
Or a game for dual core and a good video card having only a laptop

They do not have to make the game for your pc
you need a pc equal or better than game needs

It's your fault, not mine.

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Oh... Specially for such stupid person like you, i made update in my topic. No need to read all thread, only it. (As i understand from your comment about L4D - it's very difficult for you read carefully and understand text, but try to do it, please, before next answer).
I have computer to run powerful games.
But a lot of more complicated games (yes, for example MaxPayne, it required Hardware T&L and some other technologies) works on my laptop without any problems. In my opinion games from my topic (and some other) no so complicated and shouldn't have so high requirements.
In your opinion i'm stupid dick, i already understand it, no need to repeat.
If you have any arguments why such games need 2 GHz CPU - welcome, but i listen from you only "buy new pc, stupid beggar". No need to repeat again and again.

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Hahaha lol nooooo, the hater and troller now insults ...
Seems that you don´t know how to read or just understand what you want =P
I never thought you were a stupid dick...

I think that only when you denigrate me.

And what I say in most of my answers is that it makes no sense when you get to complain if you do not pay attention to the solutions ...

Which is the real reason for this post? hang out?

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The games you cited are indie games, and as independent, they have less resources available to them than developers backed by mainstream publishers. Thus they usually choose to allocate more programmers to work on gameplay than technology.

Using middlewares or free API's generally allow faster prototyping and shorter production time. However, this may also cause problems to the development team whom might not be experts in using these 'tools'. They might misuse some third-party API or middleware and won't ever have the required resources to track these bugs. And submitting your game for testing on a wide range of consumer level equipments cost money, which most indie developers cannot afford.

For example, there are some excellent Flash games on steam, but they are very CPU dependent (such as The Binding of Isaac), but the indie devs can't do much about it, it's the technology they chose to use. Where maybe Epic or Crytek would have developed a brand new engine or collaborated with Adobe to develop an improved version of the Flash technology.

It is common to have only 1 or 2 programmers working on an indie game, where at Rockstar, Crytek, and whatnot, they usually have 20 or more programmers, and each specialist in their respective domain.

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We need upvote buttons.

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Big companies also has some problems (read about "Sword of the Stars 2")
Why some indie-devs make fast-working games, but some of them don't spent time on code optimization?

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As others have stated elsewhere, you need a WIDE variety of hardware to test code-optimization properly. Most indie developers are doing this in their spare time with pennies to spare after food and shelter and internet costs. The only system they can optimize for is their own, and that means if someone has a different system, well, sorry, sucks for them.

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Yeah, when i download free indie game i don't complain. But when they want 10 bucks for it... (like a HL2, Portal, Company of heroes or King Arthur).

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Are sure that you did not buy the humble bundle? =P
cause u have all the games of the bunlde
That would make your argument invalid

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Toki Tori was in Bundle? Which one? As i remember, i didn't buy it from bundle.
Jamestown - yes, from HiB. And i never buy bundles with a penny.

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TORI TOKI 75% =O

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Since I'm a web developer I'll give a analogy of what this is.

I make a site supporting HTML5, CSS3, RoR for backend and w/e and test with modern browsers as well as an older version of IE (let's say 7). You come to my site with IE6 and complain that it doesn't render right and tell me to go die or something.

The point is here is that you shouldn't be using IE6 and should upgrade. It applies the same with your laptop. Upgrade or don't expect everything to work.

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Ok. Let's talk as web-developers.
Of course, if you create modern site with a lot of css, ajax, html5 or flash you need modern browser. But if you create static page with gifs/jpegs only and some tables or frames it should work in IE6, right?
Or you just will add on every static page banner like a "Require Opera 11.5 or Firefox 8 for correct viewing"?

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System requirements is the banner. No he won't add all that extra useless crap to his page just so idiots can view his page and complain how bad it looks since it uses a page that's a gif. He also has to code it for all that extra stuff reducing what he can do later.

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PC System Requirements
OS: Microsoft® Windows® XP with SP2 / Vista / 7
Processor: Intel® Pentium™ 4 2.4 GHz or better
Memory: 512 MB RAM
Hard Disk Space: 250 MB
Video Card: Any OpenGL 2.0 graphics card with 256MB+ video RAM
DirectX®: DirectX® 9.0c
Additional: One keyboard, controller, or mouse required per player. Supports multiple mice and/or keyboards. 3-buttons required for mouse play.

Also, Minecraft looks worse than games from the early and mid 90s, but it can use at least 512mb of ram. Even more if you use a texture pack. And its one of the most casual games out there.

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Minecraft have VERY BIG WORLD. I understand why it needs a lot of memory.
But TokiTori doesn't.

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Programmers don't have the time to optimize something for every fucking platform you little shit. Why don't you write a few lines of code, I'd love to see you come back with the same attitude after that.

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Big piece of shit, tr to read my answers in thread. I also makes osme programs and i don't ask money for new server every year.

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lol it's funny because he did not understand what xJavontax mean ... or he understood what he wants =P

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toki tori doesn't even use xna

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But why it showed me such error?

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At least you asked at the steam forums ...
I had a problem with the sequence, I asked and in 2 hours they told me how to fix it
(unless the problem its hardware and that does not run by the developers)

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Cool story, bro.

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U have an easy solution and not going to take...
You are not interested at all in your problem, u are just tell us your hatred for programmers

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The hell is this all about? O_o

I'm out of here...

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You sir deserve a punch in the face. You seem to have NO idea how much time/effort it takes to make these games or any program at all. If you bought a game and didn't read/understand its system requirements then you are the one to be blamed. I guess people could also buy a gaming chair that says: "Only for people under 100 Kgs (220 pounds), otherwise breaks." then sit on it with 150 Kgs and blame the creators, possibly even sue them and later that day make a topic at steamgifts.com to whine about it. Geez, rly..

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If you are selling stuff, you have to be prepared for people complaining. You have a full right to complain about purchased goods if you are not 100% satisfied...

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Also the buyer can look at the minimum requirements ....
I think it's something anyone with a PC or laptop "ugly" and a little brain, you should and can do ...

Jamestown: Pentium 4 2.4 GHz or higher

Games that have Veidali.
L4D (minimum): Pentium 4 3 GHz (without the video card)
PAYDAY (minimum): P4 3 GHz or Athlon 3400 + = /

= O oh what a surprise right?

I did not I tell you to buy a pc for gamers to play casual games ...
I tell you to buy a pc to play no casual games that you got purchased as "Amnesia: The Dark Descent" "BioShock 1 and 2" "Grand Theft Auto IV" "Homefront" "Portal 2"

If you got money to buy many games and not even use them 1 min, I think that you can buy a better pc = /

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Hmm... For a long years i lived in wild country, where is very difficult to buy license games.
And a lot of games, which i bought on steam (i'm new guy on it) - it's reward for developers for good games (such as Bioshock, GTA series, Commandos series, Company of Heroes and so on). I already played pirated copies of many of them, but now i able to pay to developers and i do it.
I already have better PC. It's not a problem.

And of course you're right. L4D will work on integrated videocard and Payday too.
Wait... L4D minimum requirements:
Graphics: 128 MB, Shader model 2.0, ATI 9600, NVidia 6600 or better
Oh, shit...
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Conclusion: sometimes try to read twice and think twice, before type any stupid thing

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"Conclusion: sometimes try to read twice and think twice, before type any stupid thing"
You don't do this.

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Yeah, you right. I am stupid one and you understand my topic very well.[/sarcasm]
My complain not about it. Try again.

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Yeah ... animations, colors, textures, models, image quality, music, history, duration, etc. are the same =/[/sarcasm]

Between this

NES

And this =/

PC

I think there's much difference but maybe for your pc you did not notice =/

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What about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnviiwAVaoQ
or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMB-OAodJ4w

Of course we will not talk about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-KYmntH1s8
It has 200 MHz CPU inside, it's so powerfull console.
Colors - yeah, old consoles were not able to show a lot of them. But everything else... A lot of Sega Genesis (Mega Drive) games looks almost like a Jamestown - big pixels, page-by-page storybook about powerful enemies and destroyed home and so on.

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200 MHz exclusively dedicated to running a game =P

Unlike the PC that performs many other tasks and has many more variables of performance...
Always going to be easier to program for console

Is impossible for a game made for sega dont work in the console...
And if there are any problems there are fewer possible reasons

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Yeah, now my WinXP with opera, steam client and something else use from 5% to 15% of 1.4 GHz CPU. So i have about 1200 MHz dedicated to running the game. So what? It still not running. And 200 MHz - it's Sega Dreamcast, which is much more powerful than MegaDrive or Genesis.

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yeah i know i have a sega dreamcast... shenmue for tha win =D

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You're complaining that games wont run well on your older-than-dinosaurs laptop. I lold.

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hahahaha, this guy diserves a medal or a cookie, his choice.

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Just because a game uses retro graphics doesn't mean it uses as little resources as an NES game. You better get that through your head ASAP before continuing to make a dick of yourself.

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Why oldschool programmers was able to make retro-graphics with little resources, but modern ones aren't?

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oldschool games did not have millions of bullets on screen at once as Jamestown does. The graphics of Jamestown may APPEAR retro, but that's all. It isn't a low-resource game.

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NES

PC

maybe his nes is magic =O

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See? More than 4 bullets at once, and it gets slowdown and flickering.

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Yeah, i understand, that it isn't low-resources game. And it's the reason why i damn it's developers.

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You are seriously just angering me now. Does your laptop even had a dedicated gpu? It is intel graphics isn't it? Please, try to learn something about computers. Tom's Hardware, at least try...

Your laptop doesn't even reach the recommended 1.5 GHz cpu. Those are desktop cpu requirements also, there is a difference between a 1.4 GHz laptop cpu and a 1.4 GHz desktop cpu.

You have no idea what a resource is... errors happen is AAA titles. Crashes to desktop... it happens. Report the problem and try to get help from those "terrible" developers. Despite your crappy attitude they will try to help you.

Please just stop posting incredibly stupid things. Do you have any idea how much work it takes to make a game? insert more rage about OP

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Yeah, all games need dedicated GPU. And second one for physics calculations. And at least 4-cores CPU with HT, right?

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You damn the developers because they don´t do this?

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more quality = more resources

less resources = less quality

less resources + more quality = more cost

more resources + less quality = f2p

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Jamestown not looks like AAA-game. And it's not F2P.

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that's exactly the Reason
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Reason of what? Of high requirements? But quality is not so high. That's the exactly reason of my complain.

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The game could certainly consume far fewer resources

But they require any further work and money for it, things an indie does not have
They could increase the price

But you would buy the same game for 30 dollars and with less requirements?

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Ah...
$30 dollars - it's a price of AAA title with a lot of designers, programmers, managers (and a lot of ads on TV, internet and so on). It's not price for hand-made indie game. Or not?

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I understand your point. for me the current value is fine ... and my game works for me .. it works for you?

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You post this video at least 3 times in this thread. I already watched it.

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I did not put it for you, i was a response for other people...

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Oh... only me see it 3 times, all others only once? I'm sorry.
But why you post it twice in my-comment-reply? You do it for other people?

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I just read the answers to what I write and so I assume that others do the same

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Not everyone reads everything so posting it 3 times is assurance that it won't be missed. Every time you post something, people instantly destroy it and you just come up with more pointless arguments to support your ignorance and poor logic. Why don't you just delete the thread if you can or just leave this thread forever? Eventually people will forget your massive display of stupidity.

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Someone should just napalm this entire thread.

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Yeah!

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Yeah, me too!
That's why I don't have games on my Steam account! Fuck game programmers!

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The word of a developer:

"The games which won't run have modern dependencies. The modern dependencies make game development in some ways much easier than it was
years ago but the modern dependencies also add to the system requirements even if the nature of the game would not require more advanced hardware by looks alone. But my system doesn't meet minimum requirements that's the problem."

Pkeod (1 hour ago)

Source

You can be angry all you want with the developers but the thing is like this.

If you want to play that particular game you must have the required pc, things are like this ...

Developers will be losing a purchase and you cann´t play the game unless you get the right PC.

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OMG!!!
Sprite-moving game require only 800 MHz CPU. It's a Christmas Miracle!!!
It's impossible! They want only 5 bucks for game, but was able to find good programmer! Double Christmas Miracle.

So, you showed me nice game with not so high system requirement. So, lease explain me, why guys from Subsoap optimized game but guys from Two tribes didn't? That is the question.

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Ask them:

Final Form Games
Two Tribes Games

I can tell you what I think but it is they who made the games
You should ask them because it has such high requirements

So as I ask you 20 times why you bought it if does not work on your pc and you ignored my question.

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You are so slooooooooow.
I have my main gaming PC. All these game work on it. (And i updated topic especially for guys like you). Stop asking it again and again.

You wrote:

1st: I study film development, script development, programming and script writer ... so i can talk of this. =/

How it was possible, if you just can't read very short list (only 4 points) in main topic? Some kind of mystery.

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... Then why are you complaining
If I read this whole topic is about those games do not work on your laptop ...
And if they work on your pc pro gamer why you haven´t used the games or even most of them

You complain about the performance of a game that not even bother to play 1 hour and you bought only for the Christmas achievement =/

There you have the twitter of the developers, tell them your problem
if you do not want to do it yourself I can calmly transmit your complaint... more absurd every time

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Yeah, you caught me. Of course i buy it for Christmas achievement. Wait, why i still didn't finished EDGE achievement, or Worms achievement, or AYIM, or any else? Oh, it's clear, i just can't run it on my laptop, right?
I don't use twitter. And it's not so big problem, anyway my son will play TokiTory on desktop. (When i have problem with Orcs Must Die - i contacted with developers).
It's just my opinion, that some programmers didn't do his job well. But some programmers are good (as you show me).

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Eh?
Okay
I also open everyday topics to complain about games and played them only 1 hour, because I think they have very high requirements for the content of the game ...
I do not think Toki Tori developers will sell the sequel if it really is that bad

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Tl;dr

They make games. Even if you can't run them, there are people who can.
That's reason to love them, not hate.

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Oh, yes.
Now read all thread, please. It's thread about love to Subsoap, not about hate to Two Tribes.
%)

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In the topic title I read "Do you HATE game programmers as i do?"
not "Do you love subsoap as i do?"

=/

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It was, but you show me the TRUTH. Subsoap are great.
It's not a joke or sarcasm.
But if i'll change title - a lot of comments will be senseless. So, let's keep it same.

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You should try out Metro 2033 on your computer and then post the results?

I'm having cat-like curiosity right now as to what would happen.

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Why the metro... when he can try another game that he purchased and never used =P

Even in his ulta pc gamer.

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i said metro because it's the only game so far that made my laptop freak out completly on low settings, this and batman...

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Dunno if you noticed, but many of your comments are already senseless...

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They sell games for their own profit... I dont think there is much to love about that...

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How bout HiB? And if they didn't make them, you would have nothing to play. Ok, just hate people, who make something and you can't afford it. Rly...

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I have laptop for general internet serfing and quite powerfull desktop PC for gaming, so I'm not sure if I'll ever understand op. But I still do hate this day game developers. Because they are idiots. Lazy, lame, shortsighted, naive, unexpirienced idiots. Everytime I see a new game, I'm almost forced to remember games from 10 years ago, when devs squished out everything computers of that time could do and even more. Now this lazy bums do nothing but construct (not create) some pile of crap around one not so bright idea, or worse - do a remake of some old idea. And there are problems like numerous bugs and complete lack of logic in most games. Gameplay slowly degradates into simpler, linear, 1-button, movie-like crap that doesn't even worth half the price most of the time.

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Veidali, stop trolling

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Not really a troll, just very stupid.
inb4 he finally realizes he's wrong and is so embarrassed that he claims it was a troll.

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This thread should be killed by fire.

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Run at a wall, its just the program that was used to make the application/game has a high requirement and thus making the game have higher system req's, lolwoot.

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It's almost 2012 and "1.4GHz laptop"...
Maybe if it had been 2004... but sorry man, your hardware is ancient, soon even internet browsers won't be usable on that...

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thread poster is a derp

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Well its easier to make a shittier programed in less time to run on some computers than it is to take the time to make it work on a LOT fo computers. EA and big publishers have hundreds of test machines to check compatibility, Indies do not.

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agreed with op. Why other stupid people with good computer can't see the problem here?
It's not complaining because "my computer is bad i what to play new games". It's because the games in case SHOULD WORK with bad and old computers because they are like snes games.

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If there is any game that I like but have very high requirements ...

  1. I get a pc to make it work
    or
  2. Do not buy it

I am sure that if any developer has the possibility of improving the performance of their game would do it without hesitation.
If the game has these requirements will be for some reason...

Make is not shoot a game code on pictures and profit =/

If you really have so many problems with it and know who to complain ... or consult ...

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