Do away with CV system games altogether. I don't care if it's in a bundle, all gifts still get lots of entries; or if it is a game and receives over 500 entries within 24 hours give the giver full credit as demand for the game does exist. This will push more giveaways on Steamgifts.
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Civilization V exploit, where? Everyone should go and buy that game for themselves.
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You can't get it right now, but during sales it's about $2 USD in Russia.
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oooo, I've always wanted to be on a blacklist! Pick me, pick me!
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why? right now there is 1 skyrim giveaway and 3 borderlands 2 gifts, it isnt being exploited to hell so why try and look for problems where there isnt one? most of them are from last year why do you have to complain right now? just calm down go buy gta5 and keep yourself busy with that
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Right now there are 0 Kane's Wrath and 0 Tiberium Wars giveaways. Looks like there are infinitely more Skyrim and BL2 giveaways!
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How many people gave away 8 copies of Skyrim or 10 copies of Metro LL or 6 copies of Civ V? That is abuse. I bet you can't find a single person (or more than 1 person) who did that during the period you are talking about. No one abused the system with those games. Kane's Wrath, however, was different. You could go on someone's profile and find that they gave 6-20 copies of those away. I really don't understand your logic.
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Do a search and look at the profiles for Civ V, I count quite a few people with 5 or more giveaways of Civ V. It must just be coincidence that most of them are Russian too. I'm not going to name anyone because it could be considered calling out.
I actually do know someone who has given 8+ copies of Skyrim (but I'm quite sure he didn't exploit)
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So you just proved my point. You have no firsthand knowledge of anyone exploiting Metro LL or Skyrim yet you wasted your time making this thread. Alright. All you are do is speculating, whereas with those Kane game things the front page was filled with people giving away large amount of copies.
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It looks like you conveniently forgot to mention Civ V in your reply. I also do know people who exploited Borderlands 2. Metro and Skyrim less so.
I also do know of quite a few other games that were exploited, but they aren't nearly as high profile as the ones I listed. Perhaps if I include them and proof of exploit you would be more happy?
Just as an example, Spore Creepy & Cute Parts Pack. Look at the previous giveaways - there are a bunch of people giving 5 or even 10 copies of the DLC away.
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You mention Skyrim and Metro LL in your original post, buddy. They are fair game to point out as flaws in your argument. If you fail to use proper examples then your whole argument is cast into doubt. That's the only reason why I pounced.
Civ 5 - even though it is possible some people may have exploited it is still no where near the level of exploited as that Kane DLC or whatever. Im on this thing daily, and in all honesty, I bet there are no more than a dozen people who bought and gave away large quantities of that. I could be wrong, but I just havent seen it. The games you feel shouldn't be bundled needed to be bundled. I don't really care for the CV system and stuff, but imo it is clearly obvious why those Kane things got bundled. I'll leave you to it though.
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I remember the very first post you made in this thread called me a flamer and a troll. I doubt giving a flawed argument caused you to "pounce" and insult me.
I bet there are no more than a dozen people who bought and gave away large quantities of that.
What a coincidence, because there were no more than a dozen people who bought and gave away large quantities of Kane's Wrath as well. I count ~10 people who exploited it.
The games you feel shouldn't be bundled needed to be bundled
Look at this graph and tell me why it's on the bundle list
There were 10 (maybe 11, I can't tell how many private ones were made) giveaways made for this game during the past sale. If that counts as exploitation, I don't know what that word means.
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Oh and I don't own any consoles, so buying and playing GTA5 might be a bit tough.
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Oh yeah, that was in the Bethesda bundle too, wasn't it.
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Blah blah blah. I am so glad I do not get worked up over CV and who gives how many of what and when. Who needs daytime soap operas when we have forums. The Drama lives on.... On TNT. We know Drama!
People can petition what they want. They could succeed or they ccould be wasting hours that could be used up on that unspent rage some of you appear to have. This might not be a democracy but the staff do listen to what concerns us. No one will agree with every decision and that's life. and If this your first time hearing about such a concept, oh boy, don't look ahead. You will spew firery vile rage at some point or another in such a way that will make this forum post look childish, Have fun with that.
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I really think you're wrong. I receive at least one game per day with a 90% discount (not even considering Russia, since I can't legally buy it there). From the great gamehouses, I can find at least 3 right now with the price close to USD1. If you start considering this, we have to put all games on bundle list.
Special discounts are different from bundles, where you pay 1USD for 3-4 games at once. If you have enough money to buy a shitload of keys, it's up to you.
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time to wipe russia off the map o~o? no? ok :< ill keep my plans to myself
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May as well mention Civilization IV as well, it was given away free with Civilization V pre-orders as Civilization V went on sale soon after it was released or something.
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Civ IV was given away free a couple of weeks ago too. I don't remember what for.
Edit: that would probably be around July 10.
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yes, add LA Noire, F1 2012, F1 Race Stars, Rayman Origins etc etc also to bundle list. i mean. they have been free if you bought a 50$ game, so...
not like they still cost 4-5 keys with trading, nono
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Thats why I included the comment involving the timing of the pricing error. I know some people got it but it wasn't up for more than a couple of minutes. Lots of people probably bought it for themselves or the people who got multiple copies traded them. Metro LL didn't have a huge spike in giveaways during the price error either.
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That will reduce the number of private and group GA, which purpose is to increase your chance to win. As of now, we already know which games people want more.
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I think all GA should have a CV of $9999 so only CG could enter.
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MoneyHypeMike, Crossbourne and Sleepycat would like to have a word with you.
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Same with Pruflas, Up1ink, and other dev giveaway people. I don't really count them. The only one I was really missing was SFK.
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you cant just add every price mistake to bundle list '-.- If skyrim was bundled in your opinion: Wanna trade me a Skyrim for my Showdown Effect? No? I can't imagine why. Perhaps it is worth more...
live with command and conquer being in a bundle and therefore being in the bundle list
EDIT: I thought this was a hidden giveaway, but he is serious O.o
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C&C Kane's Wrath and Tiberium Wars were never in any bundle. I also wouldnt trade either of them for Showdown Effect.
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There are some games missing in your petition:
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Sleeping Dogs wasn't 95% off, correct. I forgot about Two Worlds II Velvet. People were most definitely exploiting that one.
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1 for 10, 1 for 20 - I don't see any difference, CV =/= real money spend for buying game. Different countries, different prices, different salary - this is reason why many people not accept CV - because it splitting people into rich and poor.
Maybe time to change, for example: 0,01 CV for each giveaway entry. Good game + many entries = profit. Solved problem with "old" bundle games.
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Minimum salary is around 175€, average less than 350€. New game price?
Retail is same as in Steam store, for example, CoD: Ghosts 60€, Football manager 2014 50€, Metro LL 50€, Rayman Legends 30€, Amnesia: A machine for pigs 16€. Actually, retail is usually a bit more expensive.
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That can't work with group/private giveaways though. With group you could maybe use some crazy math to make things proportional, but with private you can't.
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There were some people who was exploiting the Ubishop promotion, but Support was suspending them, so you couldn't create a giveaway for more than one game or so of the 4-5 steamable Ubishop games.
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Seeing as Command & Conquer Kane's Wrath and Tiberium Wars were added to the bundle list today, to be fair, Skyrim, Metro Last Light, Borderlands 2 and countless other games must also be added to the list.
Skyrim was sold in a pack of 10 Steam games for approximately $27, which divided equally, comes out to be $2.70, a savings of 95.5% off from the list price of $60. For proof that it was exploited, refer to this graph. There is a large spike on December 19, 2012, precisely when it was sold in this bundle.
Metro Last Light was sold for 1 penny at Best Buy, which is quite obviously an exploit and must be added to the bundle list. I would estimate that a good fraction of the Metro giveaways were from this exploit. Please add it to the bundle list. Based on new information, Metro Last Light is not a good example. Instead, I offer you Spore Creepy & Cute Parts Pack, which has the exact same discount in the Russian Steam store as Kane's Wrath.
Similarly, Borderlands 2 was sold for $2 or so during the holidays on Gamersgate, a discount of 96.7%. Do you see the huge spike in December and January of last year? Yeah, those are from this price mistake.
What about Civilization V? It has a similar discount as the two Command and Conquer games in terms of Russian pricing. It's not a coincidence that the giveaway spikes for this game occur exactly when the game was on sale.
All three of these games fulfill the main criteria to be on the list:
1) 95% off sale or higher
2) Exploitable/Exploited
Please add these games to the bundle list.
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