Well, as you can see i do quite a few giveaways, but many of these giveaways get abused and some keys land on shady key websites.
3 Months ago some user won one of my public 50x giveaways.
The key wasnt redeemed but he was online almost every day.

4 Days ago the key was activated (i can query keys through the steamworks partner page)
but not on his account...

i reported the user to steamgifts and revoked the cd-key since it was obviously resold
his groups also indicate that he is a friend of most cd key websites or gambling pages.

What would you have done?

I mean reselling promotional keys sucks - i give them out for free and he sells it for 5€+ on youknowwhatwebsite

tbh i hope that specific user gets permabanned

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He should be permanently banned for shit like that tbh

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Maybe next time make GA for Level 3+ user ;) Some are bad but there is less of them on level 1 ;/ I don't trust level 1 user anymore.

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I don't trust any users... Even high level ones can be stupid...

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how can you still make giveaways then

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I too am stupid...

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Or go with Whitelists GA. With people you can trust ;)

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You don't need trust to make GAs. You just need to carefully check your winners.

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Just because you found one bad apple, doesn't mean you should give up on the whole apple tree.

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LOL there isn't just one one bad apple and there is heaps of them on level 1. Sure there is some good Apple but it better to be safe at Level 3+ rather than Level 1 and yeah i know there is few bad apple on Level 3+ sometime but there is heaps on level 1.

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Whatever the number of bad apples is, it doesn't mean that there are no good apples too. And since there are good apples too, then you shouldn't give up on the whole apple tree. Don't be prejudiced against low levels, because we were all at a low level in the past. That's what I'm saying. ;P

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The level 1 bar is pretty easy to meet. just make and complete a single giveaway. Level 3-4 is a definitely a higher bar to reach.

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Level [whatever level I am currently] is where it's at

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heh no ^^ 6 and 7 were damn hard to reach, up to 4 it's quite passable

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I understand your frustration and I get your point, but I don't agree with what you did. I mean the key was promotional and I presume its purpose was to reach an interested gamer and to spread the word about the game. The winner was a scumbag and sold your key, key that ended to a poor soul that was interested in your game to the point that he paid for it.

By revoking the key you practically punished the gamer that was interested in giving a chance to the game not the scumbag that sold it. "youknowwhatwebsite" makes a profit regardless of the fact that the key is revoked or not.

In my opinion you should have reported the winner on SG and provide proof that the key was activated after delivering the key to the winner for an appropriate action to be taken against him as a rule breaker.

For what is worth, the "promotional" purpose of the giveaway was achieved although not as intended. I mean I suppose the buyer got the game for a "promotional" price less than the selling value of the game, even though it should have been for free. And the other aspect is the game ended being played by someone interested in it which could have resulted in future genuine sales if the gamer was satisfied with the quality and even to free publicity among his friends or in the online environment.

In the end run, from a marketing standpoint, I think the image damage to the game developer/publisher by revoking the key is worth more than the 5€ that scumbag gained from selling your giveaway key.

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There is other viewpoint here: Revoking keys might hurt in short term, but it's for greater good in long term as more and more people come vary buying of stolen and fraudulent products. Thus leading these kinds of people to not make money any more.

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There is no greater good in business. The goal of any business is to make money. Bad marketing moves can prove very dangerous for future sales.

Business aside, I don't think we'll see any shortage of buyers on grey market sites any time soon. Some buyers are really poor and can't afford to buy the game full price while others don't want to risk the full price of the game unless they are convinced of its quality. And such persons are born every single day.

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I would have revoked that key, reported that thief here for breaking the rules and probably/maybe warned some friends and steamgifters about him, privately because "no calling out" rule

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I do feel bad for the person who traded/bought they key as they most likely are the victim.I can not say without a doubt as I have no clue of the intentions of the person who acquired said key.I am pretty sure though they bought it with the intention of it being legit and everything on the up and up.

The OP has all the right and to be honest I am not sure what I would have done in this situation if I were them.In the end, nobody comes out on the good end of this stick.I do think in the end I would have just reported the user let the person who got the key keep it.As I could not punish someone who may be innocent in the deal.

I just want to say to the OP I know these things happen but sorry you had to make this choice.I do think SG is too easy on the rule breakers imo.I think firs time offense deserves a ban until the situation is resolved by the person who committed the offense.It may be harsh but most people that commit the offense will do it again.

Maybe I am just a bit harsh but come on do people really need to be reminded a gift is not meant to be re-gifted and is bad behavior?.I know the internet is not real life but a little common sense can go a long way.

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I couldn't care less about what are winners of my GAs doing with their won keys :d

And I support what some of the guys here already said - you shouldn't have revoked that key as the real victim is the one who bought it. I think he's not going to get his money back :d

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i think you made the wrong choice. you did not only hurt the winner, but more than anything the guy who bought the game from him. this was a promotional giveaway, right? this means two things. first, you didn't really lose anything. so it's not that big of a deal anyway. this key didn't cost you any money. and you didn't make the GA to make someone happy, you wanted to promote the game by raising awareness and by raising the owner count on steam. well, you now have one owner less thanks to the revoking. i don't think that was in your best interest.

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Depending on how (and where) the transaction was done, the buyer could reverse the charge and leave a negative mark on the seller's profile.

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this was my biggest issue.
i know how it feels if you get a key revoked you got via trading or key sites.
but also most people are aware that g2a, especially the community offer section, is super shady.

yeah it was promotional. but on real life copys of promotional games it always says : "Promotional. Not intended for resale" (or similar)
Sadly thats not possible with cd-keys. I don't know if i made a mistake, but again the buyer is able to get his money back from those websites if he shows the "revoked" message.

Also the Seller gets negative feedback.

I guess thats somehow okay - but yeah sadly the buyer has to mess around with this while he most likely didnt want to...

maybe it was a short-circuit reaction...

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well, he can only get the money back if he used this ensurance thing. which on G2A is a subscription, so many people don't use it (especially not for cheap games). so i guess chances are he won't get the money back and doesn't have the game he paid for. sure, buying on G2A means this risk exists. i still think this is not what you were aiming for. a guy who didn't have any interest in the game gave it to someone who was interested in playing it. it's not the biggest deal in the world, but i guess it would have made more sense to just let the key active.

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Wait, so you punished the guy who bought the key, but the guy who is responsible for that will enjoy his profitz regardless?

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I would report the winner to make sure they are removed from the site, but I would not revoke the key, because the buyer might be a kid or someone who is new to this and it's not their fault... Instead, I would contact them on steam and let them know the person who sold them the key lied to them and stole it, and that you let them keep it, but they shouldn't buy from him again.

The buyer's money is already gone, and so is your key, so at this point you might as well just let them keep it and warn them over hurting them even more after they've already been lied to.

Plus if this was for promotional purposes, I believe the person who was willing the pay real money for the key is the exact player you'd like to keep in the game community. It's not someone who just got a free game for their library, it's someone who actually paid money because they really wanted to play the game, so they are more likely to actually play and leave reviews and screenshots.

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It's a learning experience for the buyer. Next time they know not to buy from unauthorized sellers. Just like people learn not to buy any stolen stuff.

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If they pay via paypal they can just issue a chargeback and the money gets taken out at the seller expense.

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By the way, I can't help but wonder, what was the point in digitally stalking that winner each day for three freaking months over a promotional key, up to the point that you know which days he was active and which ones he wasn't? I don't condone his actions but I find yours rather weird, to be honest.

I believe this matter escalated way beyond the threshold of normality over a subject that should have been dealt with, one week after the giveaway ended, via support. It's like you were expecting for him to do something with that key instead of reporting him.

Out of pure, utter curiosity, how long would you have continued to digitally stalk that user if the key hadn't been activated?

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the steamworks console gives me the date including time of redemption

its not like i hit f5 every 5 seconds and suddendly it was redeemed

i also wasnt online much - thats why it took 3 months to notice it wasnt marked received - i guess i should have ask for a reroll earlier but most mass giveaways take forever to be "received"

also my recent 50x giveaway is almost 7 days old and plenty of people didnt redeem it yet. That seems to be rather common with public mass giveaways

The other time i remember checking was still unredemeed but his steamgifts profile said he was online a few hours ago. Should have rerolled at this point i guess

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The key wasnt redeemed but he was online almost every day.

That "he was online almost every day" means digital stalking. Maybe you didn't mean it that way but that's what it sounded like to me.
Poor choice of words?

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It's a tough question to ask... Naturally I feel bad for the person who bought the key and had it revoked... But at the same time, they are buying from the grey market, and people need to stop supporting it, so perhaps more revoked keys will be a wake up call for people to stop supporting shady sellers.

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Just a hint, make a public giveaway for higher than level 2, go to http://www.sgtools.info/ and set a rule that user needs to have activated all of his won gifts. Problem solved.

You think he sold it, I think he just used the key for his main account, as there are still bots on steamgifts. That's why you should put a minimum of level 2. That way he would've had to be giving away some keys instead of just creating free and new bots. And if you ask me, I've bought some keys from G2A and Kinguin and it's always a risk to lose it, but I've never even thought about buying THAT sort of game from those websites. I mean, most likely a game like Sector Six will end up on some crappy bundle site (no offense) and be valued around 0,10 - 0,20€.

Even if he did sell the key to someone, you didn't ruin his day, you ruined the day of the person who bought it. The whole point of this website is to give those keys that you don't need, not to ruin someone's day over someone who might be cheating.

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"I mean, most likely a game like Sector Six will end up on some crappy bundle site (no offense) and be valued around 0,10 - 0,20€."

It won't. Cheapest ever 33% off at steam and humble.
Many Bundle's requested it but it wont be bundled. Ever. The game has 100+ hours of content. No need to sell out

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I like that attitude, refreshing. Are sales within expected (or sustainable) amounts?

Though looking at the screens, I wonder a bit where 100h content are coming from.

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Right now there is 7 Story Missions, while just the 7th mission takes about 60 minutes.
There is a world map with "sectors" in different danger zones - you can liberate the world.

  • If you do so - secured sectors will hold citys and shops

Theres a huge customization part with creating your own spaceship, each "part" is basically an item in an classic rpg - those have types , stats , and qualities.
There is a modular difficulty system which you can use to raise the difficiluty to literally impossible.
Those modifications have effect on the mission rewards.

Right now there are already people with 100+ hours on steam
Before Steam Release there were several people with level 400 / 500 spaceships which also means 100+ hours of gameplay

  • will be added in future patches

Oh right, random generated quests aswell as story missions. 4 different spaceship classes with different skills abilities and gameplay

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Just curious, I thought steam did not allow single keys to be revoked but only allowed it in batches that they were generated in. Or has that changed?

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i can query keys through the steamworks partner page

cool, wish I could too

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