"You are responsible for any taxes or other dues that You may incur by participating in the Beta Program and/or receiving the Beta Products from Us."

Right.

I don't think so.

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Probably they are talking about the shipping costs

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Rather about tax.

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More specifically, customs. You know, those people that just love to keep your stuff for days or weeks without letting you have it and then invent some random numbers to charge you and demand you show them a receipt (even if you never paid for the shipment).

Customs is why I don't really pledge a lot of money on Kickstarter for physical goods.

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True that. It's one of the most stupid things ever. Customs and paying them money just because you want to get something from another country. It's ridiculous.

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And I was going to trade a foil card for a game and got 15 days without trading for no reason. GG Valve.

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They have conditioned us to do anything for more badges and levels, knowing most people would never read the text. :P

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I bet that like 75% or more of those who got the level 2 badge didn't, in fact, read the "beta test agreement".

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Well, it actually was a really short one, as opposed to usual. So if you have not read it, you have no one to blame but yourself in this case.

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Did you luanch a game with gamepad on Big picture?

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you need controller, like xbox 360.

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I did it with a cheap gamepad (12 bucks) and it unlocked. Thankfully there's no "only x360 gamepad snobbery" here.

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Yes, it is luanched, as they asked! :)

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No tax for PC parts in my country yeah baby

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24% for almost everything here :(

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Actually yea, I'm retarded, 25% is the tax, I meant no duty/customs/whatever for PC parts here x_x

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I can't even complete the lvl 1 badge, bcoz I haven't got a gamepad :/

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I bought one today, just to get the badge. But it turns out to be an amazing way to play certain games, I loved it! :D

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Yay for free badges. 300 out of 50k+ odds , its very slim id see a steambox at my door.

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You know they can't force you to pay for it, they'll probably even ask if you are sure before they send it.

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Probably. Still, I'd rather avoid that altogether.

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Who wouldn't want to pay for it? I heard Gaben put them all in the shipment box with his own, bare hands? That's worth multiple dollars right there for me. I'd take a loan just to pay for something touched by Gaben.

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Would it be worth cleaning the Gabesweat off of it?

...then again, everything else Gaben does is worth millions. Save that Gabesweat!

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Why'd you want to clean the Gabesweat off of it? Are you insane? It'd be my only real connection to Gaben!

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A quick warning for people who wants to enter: Valve may want the hardware back after the test ends, thus if you are thinking "I will have to pay the import tax, but hey free PC!" you may want to reconsider.

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True. After all, you'll probably have to send it back for your own money and cover shipping lol.

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I'll give you your hardware back when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

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Remember: they are the ones who can block your Steam account.

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And sue him. And trust me, they would win.

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It's a shallow win over a cold grave.

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It says right there in the agreement...

3. If You are selected as a participant in the Beta Program, Valve will make the Beta Products available to You as part of the Beta Program. The Beta Products will remain the property of Valve, and We may require You to return the Beta Products to Us upon request at Our expense (for example, without limitation, if such return is required to comply with regulatory restrictions, or if we feel it would be useful for us to examine the Beta Products to confirm or reproduce defect or errors that You identify). For this reason, the Beta Products are not for resale.

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I like how you make assumptions without even reading the terms, it clearly states IF they ask for the hardware back, it's at their own cost. How about you stop misinforming people around here just because you don't like something?

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I wrote "probably". It's all neutral to me. How about you stop misinforming people around here that I don't like something when it's not true?

See my point?

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Yes, they could do that... but there's no NDA on this stuff. They state that they want you to express your opinions on this thing in whatever way you can, should you be chosen to test it.

Do you really think Valve wants to have 300 angry beta testers out there saying nothing but negative things because they had to send it back and/or pay for the shipping? If they end up wanting these things back, and I doubt it, there's no way they would make the testers pay for it.

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Ummm, how do you participate in the beta?

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Open your badges page, there is everything you need to know there.

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Shit, all I need is a gamepad, i don't have/own one ._____.

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Just use VJoy, and map the jopypad commands to the keys of your choice.

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People do realize that if the chosen few do have to pay something it's not because of Valve right? They don't have control over what different governments do. I've won prizes in other skill based contests (i.e. not just random draws) where the fine print said that the winners would be responsible for any taxes/customs/etc charges and haven't been charged yet. People living internationally are probably more likely to have to pay customs/excise fees. Personally I'd just drive up the road to Valve HQ to pick it up if I'm selected :D

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Wait, level 2?

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ohhh. derp

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Really dude? I sincerely think you've payed more for all the game badges you have than you would pay in case you would get selected.

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"Boooo i want the steambox for free why they want money from me? :("

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Stop worrying about this so much i'd say. Nobody will force you to pay anything. When you get selected, you will be contacted and terms & conditions will be presented to you. If you agree you can go ahead and participate, if you feel you are being charged too much or something you don't like, you can always say no .. why isn't this so simple ?

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Although it doesn't show as like you can opt-out and there already 141,000 register and there looking into 300 or Less Steambox PC also known as To stop a Gaben press the Gaben Cube to test not a very big scale test But I guest everyone read too much Horror Story on Sweepstake

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I'm fairly certain this is in relation to import export duties etc.

And it's entirely reasonable - in my country, any goods deemed coming in from our immediate borders has to incur 50% of the deemed VAT on that item. Can't expect Valve to know this so they cover themselves by saying I'd have to pay for it.

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yeah - and if you get a notice from your import-authorities that you need to pay in order to get your package.. refuse and it will be returned to sender (that's the way it works in Denmark at least) - i received a large quantity of free educational DvD's once..

post office said i need to pay taxes and shit if i wanted them because they just calculated it based on the package content's value, even though it was a free promotion, i went down there and asked if i could see the package so i knew who it was from.. then when i saw it was the free dvd's i said i didnt want to pay, and then they just sent it back

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It's not like they are forcing you.

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It's not like I'm saying they are.

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Sure, because You'll be the one who they will choose. Your chances are very tiny.

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My chances are exactly the same as yours. And every other participant. And yet 300 people with the same chances will get this hardware.

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I doubt they'll just random it out... it's expensive to ship shit overseas and why would they care of european/non-american opinions anyway?

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Because not only Americans use Steam and support Valve?

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How much can they possibly charge you that it would not be a great deal?

Say the taxes and dues are $50 USD. A considerable amount, but probably more than fair. I would pay. You would be one of only 300 who has this hardware outside of Valve and the gaming press. All of a sudden, your opinions matter because you have a Steam Machine early.

Well, I'd pay it. Now if they want it back, I want those taxes back, because taxes implies you own it. But I trust they'll be fair either way.

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i think its okay to pay some taxed to early access for steam machine, and they probably will not ask it back so you basically get steambox for almost free, so why not?

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Thanks OBAMA!

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Considering you don't actually own it and its neither a purchase nor a prize, I think most people could get away without paying any tax on it. I'm not sure about Import/Export tariffs, though. They seem to like to charge duties for everything that crosses the borders.

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Yeah, of course. They always put that text in there just in case. You can't expect the person who writes the terms to know every tax law around the world... it's just a lot easier to write that if it should happen, whoever receives it pays the tax.

This is a complete non-issue if you ask me.

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How do you know we won't own it? Sending used controller back seems more hassle than it's worth. Then again, seeing Valve cheaped out and all testers will get is beta controller with half the functionality I don't see we will pay much :>

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You do realize that the controller is not done yet, right? That's why it's the controller testers will be receiving works and looks the way it does.

Beta actually means beta, as in "not done yet".

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You won't own it because it is still legally the property of Valve. That's why you can't resell it and if they so demand it, you have to return it to them (at their cost). You're simply testing the product for them.

In all likelihood, after the Beta is complete, they'll probably just let the 300 keep the machines. But getting into the Hardware Beta doesn't mean you now own the hardware.

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Are there any three people who would like to temporarily be my friends so I have ten of them to get this badge?

Also, I realize I'm currently begging people on the internet to be my friend, and this is probably the most pathetic thing I've ever done.

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You can be my friend, buddy.

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Thanks pal.

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Sent you a friend request, I need friends too!

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There's a thread in the "Steam Universe" group with 16k+ people all looking for fake friends to enter this beta, so don't feel bad. :)

Looks like we've got a better chance of receiving a call of duty from one of those new member wishlist giveaways than getting one of these steam boxes... :)

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Got the badge. Thanks for the friend requests.

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Should be standard for any legal fine print on contests in the USA. Mostly for cash prizes or those of high value. Taxes would be based on the retail value, and since these are prototypes, Valve could set that to any amount.
Would obviously be nice if they gave it a low value for winners, since they don't get any benefit from us paying more tax on it.

But whatever, in the end, it would so be worth the taxes to win.

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