The quality of SG discussions reached critical point

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This is not just my observation, the discussions right now is a total public swamp with no rules, no moderation, crapload of shitposts and no constructive discussion whatsoever.

A guy regifting two of his wins, getting suspended and asking why he got suspended
Self-claimed SG sheriffs playing "the good policeman" calling out people publicly on their unactivated wins and telling them that they're blacklisted, like who fucking cares that you blacklisted somebody.
The same people doing the same mistake of trying to give away a game that went free, for the 7th time, learning nothing and waiting for the 8th free game, maybe this time they'll finally deliver the gift.
Bunch of people salty that they got suspended because of acting like a dick, now taking revenge with not being able to construct even a single sentence that is not a sarcasm.
Spammers filling discussions with several shitpost threads daily, that have nothing to do but to troll and cause drama, because attention whores have nothing better to do.
People with 100+ not delivered gifts that decide to not deliver a game to certain winner only because they don't like him. Because you have a privilege to do that when you have enough of games being sent, since you get 1 slot per each 3 delivered games, so you can easily ignore 25% of your winners just because of their crap ratio.
People leaking invite-only giveaways on russian forums and instead of banning obvious leakers with 100% solid evidence gathered by a lot of involved people, the best you can get is a "reroll if cheater wins". I could as well create site that gathers all invite-only giveaways automatically and let everybody know about it, so maybe then we will see a rule change that will actually punish people that are joining leaking giveaways CONSTANTLY hoping for giveaway creator to not find out.
People that are using shitty scripts to join every single giveaway they can automatically, and they don't bother even checking the site to REDEEM their win, annoying giveaway creator that SG should protect, and getting away with it. Do I need to write a bot like ASF for entire SG, with a feature of automatic discussion crawling and puzzle solving to point out that issue?

15:40 - AnonymousTouhouMember1: The way I see it, a few things can happen....
15:40 - AnonymousTouhouMember1: 1. Mods start actually modding, stop protecting certain users like <redacted>.
15:40 - AnonymousTouhouMember1: 2. The sites traffic suffers as it will actually become a "scam" site
15:41 - AnonymousTouhouMember1: 3. A group of disillusioned users breakaway and start their own giveaway site.

15:45 - AnonymousTouhouMember2: You know what's the deal with SG? The problem is it's still managed like it was 5 years ago when it was a small project with limited invites.
15:45 - AnonymousTouhouMember2: I feel like it's "self-moderated" by the users themselves most of the time.
15:47 - AnonymousTouhouMember2: But really, I can't blame support for it, they literally don't have the power to do much more than suspend for small infractions and reply to support tickets.
15:55 - AnonymousTouhouMember2: In fact, I started coming here in this chat as a "getaway" from SG bullshit. :P

16:33 - AnonymousTouhouMember3: I'd really like the fcking problem of gaben.ru finally solved. Fuckers have been leaking GAs for over 2 years straight and still nothing have been done with that...
16:34 - AnonymousTouhouMember3: I won't mention how many great contributors especially puzzle-maklers quitted puzzle altogether because there's no point wnymore with these fuckers leaking every puzzle there is

I could simply hide in my SG utopia aka elitist circle-jerk private giveaway group of people that are fed up like me, like I'm doing since last 2 years, but maybe before starting a war and wasting a lot of time on doing something stupid, we can fix what is broken, enforce no freaking double-standards and actually give support power to ban people, because apparently some people didn't learn shit after their 3rd suspension. Maybe if people would be afraid of crossing the line between jumping on insults, shitposts, constantly breaking the rules and not being afraid of anything, something would improve and I wouldn't feel disgusted every day I'm opening discussions, to find out about some interesting thread to look into.

Can we do something before it's too late and members that are actually building this community move elsewhere because it became a total pile of trash? I'm not in the mood of coding another giveaway site for me and ~100 more people who have enough of that, but I'm pretty sure that if I did, together with SG profile sync and people starting at their SG levels, quickly I'd divide the community into two, and this is not my intention.

I expect either several people raising hand (including silently agreeing with me, without wanting to disclose that), or a total drama thread that will quickly change into blacklists, insults and people saying how everything is okay when I'm more likely to create public L0 giveaway given to a bot capable of writing automated thanks rather than to "community" we have right now.

If you need blacklist button you can find it in my profile. I'm simply calling cg to mind before it's too late. I don't ask for dramatic changes - a few rule changes, and telling your newly-recruited support to start enforcing them - before it's too late.

JerkArchi out. Have a giveaway that perfectly relates to my opinion. And if you agree with me, it's a good moment to walk into the light and together show cg that something has to be done here.

Edit:

Because people are claiming that this thread is not constructive enough, I've included extra suggestions:

Rule Breakers - Perhaps we come together and re-write the guidelines/punishments which would need to be strictly adhered to with no exceptions

Issue permanent suspension on every member with unactivated wins, until he activated all of his missing wins in one way or another. Give him access to his keys list, and giveaway he won, so he can comment only there. This should exclude games that are no longer available in the store. Alternatively, just disable making him join any giveaways until he activated all of his wins. SGTools is already capable of checking that, SG can check too.

Leaked giveaways / Bots - This is beyond me but perhaps other forum members with the technical savvy such as Archi could offer assistance

If given SG user is constantly being found in giveaways he's not eligible for, he's a candidate for perma suspension as well. First incident - short 1 day suspension, then 2 weeks, then perma. User should ensure that he's joining a giveaway that he's eligible for - if he gets link to invite-only giveaway that doesn't come from giveaway creator, he should automatically assume it's leaked link. Not hard to check, should be evaluated by support during reroll request based on giveaway origin and available methods - if the same guy is being reported for the 4th time by 4 different people, likely it's not a coincidence or circle-jerk of people setting traps for him.

In terms of bots, a simple "I'm not a robot" captcha appearing after each 100P being spent when trying to join a giveaway would solve the issue entirely. Limit could be adapted as-needed, 100P is good starting point, but it might be too intense, so we could bump it to 200 or 300. No captcha required for anything else, only for joining too many giveaways.

In terms of discussions - give moderators power to not only close the thread, but also remove posts. If some thread is not going the right way, close it, if people are starting drama, suspend them for a day or two so they can rethink what they're doing, and remove their posts. Repeated offenders will receive longer vacations.

Implementing those 4 things - severe suspensions, anti-leakers, anti-bots and moderation of discussions would heavily help with nearly everything I listed, as automatically we'd also solve majority of calling out problems.

It also wasn't my intention to make a thread that looks like an attack, it's probably just my way of putting up words connected together with inner sadness how things are getting down as the time goes. After all I want to point out problems and suggest how we can deal with them, to improve SG community, not make it worse.

7 years ago*

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Beryllinthranox

I rarely comment nowadays but reading this and knowing what group you're from - I can honestly say some of your more vocal members that have gone into that "circle-jerk" are/were part of the problem you speak of and they constantly try to tiptoe in between the lines like they're being clever whilst actually just baiting and then trying to play the victim. They are/were part of the reason why things devolved into this blender of topics and seeing them comment on your thread like they had no part to play in this, like they're doing good things for the community, is hands down typical and already expected of them and until you can call them out on it as well nothing's going to change because people will just side with people they like and not be objective about the situation.

TLDR: your safe space houses some shitty people too, call them out for being part of some of the issues you've pointed out. You've only managed to protect your own "friends" whilst trying to blame everyone else.

P.S.

Moderation is a slippery slope - I've had someone call me a Stazi mod for moderating and not allowing sexist and hateful remarks. The hateful remarks the type he plays an ethnicity card for even.

7 years ago*

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