9 years ago

Comment has been collapsed.

Well, as a TA. most of the student where i'm at cheat on their HW. why? because it is way faster.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 4 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

+1

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

In Bulgaria, quality of education is so awesome, you don't need to cheat in order to finish university with no relevant skillset whatsoever :D

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

"I want to cheat, but can't cheat, because if I get caught, I'm a mashed potatoe."

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

[EU-AUT-Version]
Almost never cheated back in school (grubbing the high school diploma /abbi/matura) ... it was rather easy to do but unnecessary.
There were most certainly a lot of people who cheated and could keep their mouth shut, i for one would consider cheating
successfully about as valuable as "acing" through sheer learning only.

Its ludicrous anyway what is considered as learning/education/ethical and how its applied in real life.
Cheating guise might even have an edge over "absolutely i never cheat ever"-guise in some way ...

Oh, while in university ... rarely but i have cheated more than once where the opportunity to do so was
basically inviting you [overseers gone] (consulting with the neighbor, cram out learning material read it from there,
or just use the single sheet of paper with info you were allowed to bring in < as if that weren't a cheat already).

9 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'm an engineering student and TA at a large university. Most instructors have stopped having graded homework because it is all copies of the solutions manual, they now have an abundance of quizzes. Anecdotally, I have seen a ton of people using old tests to study for tests. When I told someone that I don't do that, he freaked out and thought that it was absurd that I don't cheat. I think I was literally the only one not using old tests in a class of 70 people.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Some teachers are like that. I've had one that did nothing but pull multiple choice questions from a site they setup for students to practice. Besides that, all my teachers told me exactly what was on their tests...All the material we covered in that class.
Previous tests only really provided a glimpse at how their tests were structured. Sure, there may be the odd question that is the same, but memorizing those won't help in the long run as you'd never pass with just that alone. This was especially true when there are several copies of the exam that covered the bulk of the material between them, and its very easy for them to change numbers around. You had to memorize the actual solution process and that was the point of the test anyhow. I suppose it would be different if they just handed the same test year after year, but that is incredibly lazy and them not practicing due diligence.

Also, what are your opinions of people who retake the course and have that advantage of already taking the tests before? Is that considered cheating?

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Well here old exams are available to everyone, so I personally wouldn't consider it at cheating. Do you know for a fact what will come on the exam? no. Does it give you a hint as to what the teacher values yes, does that mean you don't have to study? no.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Realistically in some course there is bunch of old exams listed on course's official page. Most of these courses however are mandatory and staff just want people to get appearance of passing...

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

i only have one class where we can even bring the for the test, turns out it doesn't even matter as the teacher made sure it wouldn't help without you understanding material
So...here i am on my 3rd here of Solid Mechanics

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

lol , Its okay. Solid Mechanics is relatively easy when compared to Finite Elements ... That is when the shit gets real ( trust me , you'll come close to tears ... I did )

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'd say that is actually your professors being lazy and not putting up the effort to come up with new questions. This kind of stuff never happened in my university because no matter how old a questionnaire you find, our professors came up with new and ( usually hard ) innovative way of asking questions. So unless you actually know and understand the material, you are gonna get screwed with just preparing based on old tests.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Old tests weren't as much of an issue for me. My university program:

  • Didn't allow you to keep tests or your answers. You took them in class and they didn't leave the room. Yes, you could collectively reconstruct them via memory (more so for for exams with fewer but lengthier questions, less so with 100+ short answer exams), but this leads me to....

  • Grading was done on a curve. Only 10% of a class got A grades, so it was competitive and most people were less likely to reduce their chances of a good mark by helping others cheat.

  • Most of the tests were designed to not simply require fact regurgitation, but rather to actually test understanding. You couldn't just know that A was true, you had to understand why so that you knew B would follow next.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I rarely cheat except for some online class exams. Seriously though, why only give us one chance to take the chapter exam with no practice test? hmph

Even then, I put in my answers and check and change for the higher grade. I have a 3.92 GPA and I intend to keep it that way.. Still have a loong ways to go and can't really afford a 'B.' I really wish that school placed a higher emphasis on learning the material instead of memorizing (then again, that's not easy to quantify)

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Typically online classes get their test bank questions from the book publishers and the practice questions are the same as the actual test. I've seen students copy-paste the question and answers to share with other classmates to form a complete list of all the potential test answers. Usually instructors don't care but sometimes you get the smart one that cares about knowing where you stand in the class to hopefully help you better.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

When I was in high school people rarely cheated because you would get suspended. Most of my college classes you didn't have to cheat because everything was open book. Most schools are about money and rarely value your education and punish teachers that hold students accountable.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I didn't cheat because I KNEW that I'll get caught, so really I cant even say "Why risk it?".
Generally I'm against cheating, but knowing pointless staff, which no sane person has to know any way, will make me think of cheat-sheets.

EDIT: Considering that most of us are from different countries, which each as different education system and ways to do exams, what is considering cheating may wary.

9 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Tell me about it. There is some test that is given to high schoolers to whole world, and my country keeps getting low rating, while our high schoolers keep getting gold-silver-bronze medals on mathematics,physics and other subject Olympiads.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I think your on the wrong forum since this is a gaming site. Perhaps you have more luck and better results on Reddit.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

that's maybe lame, but I never cheated nor even tried to cheat..
I often had the chance and I saw a lot of people around me cheating, but never liked to pass something this way.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Unable to cheat even if I wanted, all my university exams consist in a oral discussion with the professor.
In high school I didn't cheat, I actually studied plus there were oral exams as well.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'm in Med school right now, but any department is like this even engineering: written test + oral discussion :)

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Not really,its not worth the risk at this point, i lost a test because of that, more than enough to have to repeat the all class again next year

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I don't cheat and I honestly think it is not something anyone would do at university level.

Personally I'm not the kind of person who cheats, on anything for that matter. The actual reason for that may probably be between the fact that cheating on something feels like a betrayal to my parents and my own pride.

At university level, I doubt anyone would cheat due to the ethical implications. I mean , for example, if you are studying to be a doctor, only an extremely unethical person would cheat on exams ( which implies he doesn't know the material ) and later on in his life jeopardize someones life with his flawed understanding of the trade. That is one of the first thing that we were taught in engineering class, you don't play with peoples lives.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Sorry to burst you bubble, but Uni students cheat same if not even more then high school students.
Cheating on practical exams can be hazarding in near-future, but most students cheat to get better grade, not just to pass exam.
Considering that 30% pass rate was thought as excellent term, at my Uni, I would be scared to think how much lower would be without cheaters.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Really? Where do you study? Anything below 95% was rare at our university and if your Uni thinks of 30% pass rate as excellent, then damn, you have some really tough course going on over there ... or maybe the students are just not motivated :P

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yes really. Except English which is close to 100% and few "normal" courses, I don't believe that there is any other course even close to 50%. All major subjects are between 20-30% as a norm. Maybe I should speak in past tense, because I passed all my courses years ago.

But that wasn't my point. I wanted just to show, that in order to pass exam students will use cheat-sheets, but that is not true representation of their knowledge and/or skill.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Cheating wouldnt be a problem if they didnt fucking measure you with the number of one test. (coming from someone who is about to drop university to learn something useful somewhere else)

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I used cheat sheets in high school quite often. At least in spanish classes :D.
However, I cheated only once in university, in a japanese class because I already failed the exam once and failing it again would mean a lot of trouble for me. I wasn't very happy about it. I didn't cheat in my university studies as it felt as I'd shame myself. Not in front of other students since it wasn't unusual for some to cheat, but in front of myself.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I don't cheat because I am afraid my partner will find out.
Oh, wait you mean for exams?

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I do not have balls to cheat but I do not mind admitting that to my friends. After all being able to cheat is nothing to be proud of. I pass most of my exams without sweating too much anyways.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

The thought to cheat didn't even enter my head. Not even going to paint it as making a choice based on ethics, it never ocurred to me as an option.

Part of it might have been because I didn't particualry care about my education, I never tried too hard, and I wouldn't have cared enough to have cheated. That said, I don't cheat in other areas of my life where I do care about stuff. I've never dicked people over in the workplace to give me an advantage, for example. Edit: Actually, that's a bad example, I don't care that much about work either!

9 years ago*
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I don't cheat because the purpose of school/college/education is for you to learn new stuff and develop your skills.
And when you pass a college/school year through cheating, you are skipping all the info/skills of that year, and moving on to the next year with your previous set of skills and knowledge left un-changed.
And if you managed to cheat your way out of college, then your college is fucked up and it exports fucked up human resources, who will fuck up the society when they mingle inside it.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Think of it from a different perspective though..at least in the United States university classes cost $1000+ each. Now you have a difficult class and are falling behind risking a failing grade, either due to a horrible teacher or the subject itself. Often you don't get a refund for failing so you have to pay another $1000+ for the class plus the time investment. That's a huge incentive to cheat.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Well, I'm not saying educational systems are great or anything... but Most of the time you see students blaming this and that for failing, while the actual reason is them being lazy as fuck to even make their brains work a little...
And when people get used to cheating they get used to being slackers and end up with shitty capabilities later in college and life.
And even though I'm never going to accept cheating for any reason no matter what it was, but yeah cheating after you studied hard and wanted not to fail because your teacher brought difficult questions to see the students burn, is different. (Not that I accept to do it anyway)
But I'm talking about people who never studied a word throughout their college years and finally became doctors... Why and How? Corruption.
Finally, I have to say that educational systems might really provoke cheating and make students "rebel" because everything depends on marks and tests' results, but students have to be mature enough to Know that the real reason behind these tests, is them increasing their knowledge and developing skills. Not "gaining marks".

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I studied electronic serviceing in a trade college. In certain tests cheating was encouraged. The idea bieng that in the real world. you would not get paid to to sit there doing nothing while you try to solve a problem. You would use any source available to get the job done. Discussing and then arriving at the correct solution, possibly with many conflicting ideas, is how things work in the workplace.

9 years ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Sign in through Steam to add a comment.