And what about hack this stupid and endless add friend bots?
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oh please, Valve has to combat fraud, didnt you know? its much more important! sarcasm
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Haha, poor Valve's getting hurt by bundle sales. Boo hoo, try setting sensible game prices and telling greedy devs to go eff themselves, that'd work better.
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Bundle sales dont hurt them. The increase of items in the market is actually favorable for Valve since they charge a percent on price instead of a flat tax. It is also my understanding that devs using the steam platform still pay a small fee, either upfront or per activation, for software activated on steam.
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They get a cut for every game in the store as well. If people can't get old bundles by trading, they stand to make more 'when' people buy them in the store.
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Its not dead, but they're basically putting so many restrictions into it that only the most determined are going to continue.
It's still possible to trade if you have tradeable items, but the practice of finding a deal and then buying the item to trade immediately to close the deal is dead. Traders are going to have to stockpile things so they have a tradeable stock. I had basically given up on trading for keys and shit like that as of late, but I liked the gems trading for loose bundle games. I'm just going to keep a stock up so I have some tradeables.
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"...to combat fraud (which artificially increases the prices of these items), and to help maintain a safe and healthy item economy within Steam."
Yeah right, it's just an excuse to kill trade
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Agree, this is pissing me off, nerfing trading bit by bit is painful
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who buys cards and stuff to sell or trade them anyways?
cards you get for playing are still marketable directly... so why buing a card you want to sell directly
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I've been trading for a while now, A SHITTONNE of people buy stuff to give me as part of a trade. Be it cards, gems, ToDs, Keys, so on. These new market restrictions are making it harder and harder.
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ah ok. i knew the keys, tods and gems stuff but cards was new for me.
for keys and tods we have this block since december i think.
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Same. I regularly took basically any marketable item in return, i.e. cards for bundle games, keys/tods/gems etc for bigger items. I also bought the same way. This really hurts the population of casual traders, if not kill it. Only the ones who are really into it and have the ability to stockpile items so they have tradeables on hand all the time will likely continue.
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Many cards have wide enough margin for buy-low-sell-high to work. This kills that.
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Next time on Steam - you can't trade anything with anyone that hasn't been on your friendlist for at least a month.
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I would not be one bit surprised if Valve implemented this in the future. lol
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So Sacks price are now falling alot, guess everyone is selling it
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They seem to be about the same as they were earlier. People might also be buying them right away for trading... in a ****ing week from now.
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people panicking for nothing. atleast i was happy enought to grab 100 sacks cheap.
gem prices will end up going up as long as theres cards worth crafting.
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I JUST got the market activated! God freaking dammit!
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Meh. Seen it a couple weeks before, nothing to lose sleep over.
Just delays birthday gifts, that's all.
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(which artificially increases the prices of these items)
this is a BAD thing?!?!
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If people are spending 30 cents on cards to get an old bundle game, they aren't spending $30 in the store to get it.
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And if they're spending 30c on a card, Valve are getting a bigger cut than if they're spending 10c on it.
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They just keep pushing people to "Steam Gift for Paypal" trading, which is way riskier if the two people are strangers to each other.
So much for "more safety", they're going to end up making trading pointless.
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They don't care if you get scammed. What they do care is if you get scammed on their platform.
If you trade outside of steam, you're taking their responsability out of the equation. That all these things are about + steam would rather make money from you buying directly through store a 10$ greenlight game, instead you getting said game 1$ on bundle sites then selling the game to people on steam for 0.5$
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Is the intent here to make GoG Galaxy look better and better? Cuz it's working...
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+1
btw. i like your profile pic made me almost post in your trade thread recently
(that i like your profile pic) :-D
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GoG Galaxy is evolving, so is Steam Client. With the recent now broadcasting and everything yadda yadda.
It's just Galaxy has a better performance than Steam Client.
Library quality wise, Steam stomps GOG. That's all.
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I was wondering why gem prices were irrationally high..
It's so easy to create an account with Steam. This change is better in the long run than to just keep banning accounts.
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This change is bad for Steam as a whole. The entire trading community is hit hard by the change. Also? The Fraud that was taking place CAN STILL TAKE PLACE WITH THIS CHANGE.
Safe to say, I'm rather mad at Steam for how they're handling this.
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Fair point. Could you help me understand how the fraud happens?
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I'm not too comfortable posting it on this forum, since it is...kinda easy to do, and wouldn't want anyone else to start doing it, since it's still possible.
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Yes, because telling people so they can be cautious from these tactics by learning about them would be out of the question. Muh forbidden knowledge.
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Knowing the method of fraud would not aid anyone, it's not anything to do with stolen accounts, or account defense. It's not something that can be "defended" against.
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Create limitations on those accounts, problems solved. It used to be you couldn't add people to friend list unless you owned games, not true any longer. Place that back, then allow us options to auto block based on requirements (X games, X level, skip all private regardless of level, etc) and that would have a high effect on such accounts. They are happy to make new accounts every time rather than risk their real accounts. If those were auto blocked, they would either need to risk their good account or give up.
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They can't do it. It's impossible to do the limitations on accounts because of how the fraud works. But this system doesn't stop it either.
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Eeeee, can you explain this ? What Delta said would work and i had the same conlucsions. I check that i dont want to trade with all the ppl with steam account below 10 and with private profile. Problem sold.
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Well, the assumption that people are making is that all fraud on Steam ever, is linked to the Level 0 accounts that add people. This one, is not. No trading is involved in the fraud.
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This is still in place, you need game that is not a CD-key to be able to add friends, get XP, or earn tradeable trading cards.
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Just yesterday I got a friend request from a L0 account that wasn't private. No games, could see their friends, L0 account.
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Yeah, scammers have ways around it. But if you're legit user that's level 0 you can't add friends.
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What about gems you get from turning emoticons and backgrounds into gems?
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Gems now have the block too. I wanted to get some keys to trade for a game on dispenser and was gonna buy the tradable keys with gems via another trade, but nope. Oh well.
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How about unpacked cards from booster pack ? still tradeable or must wait a week too ?
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untradeable for a week too if booster pack is from untradeable gems/market
udah gw post di trit idws tuh semuanya....
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so really they are also saying they are unlikely to do any more sale cards and events with items that go poof like the tokens to change teams from last summer sale due to the week thing... or they didn't think about it
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I don't think this will affect those b/c cards from drops are still marketable/tradable immediately. So theoretically, the cards you get from buying games or voting will still be able to be sold immediately. They're only locked if you buy them on the market.
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until they make it that just gained items of all types have the lock out or things can only be traded once a week or what not ^^
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I dont think they'll do that with the event cards. Its a short term item and they do a massive amount of business with them and they keep people engaged during the sale. I do agree that I think things like the summer event last year with the teams and such wont be like that again. They'll be a lot simpler like this past winter, with just cards, and obv I think the Gem auction is unlikely to return.
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You can sale them. You just can't trade them for a week.
Unlike us, Valve knows numbers. They might see Event Card sales high enough to still make it, even if people can't trade/sell them. Which means if you had some additional accounts, kiss those cards bye bye. Or pay to be able to sell those cards...
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So... All items have this trade block now ?
... But... What about free-trade ? :d
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wth ... how am i supposed to buy a bunch of ugly cards transfer them to one of my other accounts in order not having to look at them
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that's really bad......btw 2-4 scam bots trying to add me every day.
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Yet doing something about the hundreds of accounts that cause the problems they claim this is against? Not happening. Thanks Valve for making it clear you care more about killing trading than dealing with account hijacks.
Edit - Even better, it applies to new crafted emotes and backgrounds. Already have it? Stuck with it for a week anyway.
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