Do you think there should be a huge red YOU CAN NOT REGIFT sign at the top of the page?
There are things that could be done server side to make detecting regifters more automatic, but it would also put more stress on the server and there would be ways around it.
So my suggestion would be heavier punishment to regifters.
1 month ban for first one, 6 month ban for second one, 1 year ban for 3rd. 4th one, permaban.
Removal of the giveaway so they do not get CV for it.
After the first one, they get a permanent popup every time they try to make a gift of a game they have won (no matter if it was one that they tried to regift or not) that says if they are trying to regift the game, they will be caught and suspended or banned depending on how many they have regifted already.
If they are found to have more then one regift and they have not been detected before, than it stacks just like if they were found individually. There have been some people I have reported that had regifted 5 or 6 games, basically all the ones they won.
Also something that could be changed is they can not create a giveaway for a game they have won till they have hit received for that game and resynced their account. If it detects that the game they won is not on their account even after they have hit received it does not allow them to make a giveaway for that account or it sends a message off to support, mods or admins that so and so person may not have activated a game. There are issues with this though, DLC don't show up like games do.
I know CG doesn't like to hand out permabans but sometimes you have to. If the punishments were harsher (and a little more quick to actually happen) there would not be a need for as many permabans.
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Automatically add caught regifters to everyone's blacklist.
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Sucks for someone who actually didn't know the rules and is willing to make amends for his/her mistakes.
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Well then, add them to the blacklist if they keep on regifting (2-3 times)
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But what if they don't know that it is against the rules and only get caught after 2 or 3 times.
I do see what you mean, I just think the bans have to start increasing and be permanent after the first time they're caught.
I would also say they should lose any CL that they get since that seems to be some people's main concern.
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Screw regifters, taking advantage of the developers who give away free keys.
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Honestly the developers aren't helping. Take a look at the last page of comments for closed giveaways for FaeVerse Alchemy. .
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Do the developers level up differently than the rest of us? I noticed one with 19K+ giveaways for $208K and he's only level 5. It's not like I expect them to try to enter any giveaways but I just thought it was unusual or maybe an error.
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Not really thread related, but whitelisted for having a Bud Spencer avatar :)
Plus I like the idea a lot!
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Not really, if we go by that, the whole F.A.Q should be in big red character at the tfront page^^
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Stopping regifting is simple if: created GA = a same title as a won GA, then CV = 0
Most regifting would stop within about a month after people have it figured out. No one else would feel offended when they know the offender got 0 CV anyway.
As it, offenders get a temp suspension and get to keep all of the regifted CV.
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If it was up to me I would permaban regifters for life as well.
Steam should have an option to make a gift "non tradable/regiftable".
Anyway, nothing we can do but blacklist people who does it.
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Some of the re-gifters originally didn't know that it was against the rules, and a number of them will make up for it in the future, to permaban them right away is rather harsh. (Which I'm assuming you mean permaban them right away when you say if it was up to you, you'd permaban for life).
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Maybe not contributing much but better if it said if it became a thing, YOU CAN (NOT) REGIFT...yeah
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Well a certain person marked such a developer giveaway as not received. Its not possible that developer didnt give him the key as the keys are automatically distributed for large giveaways. So there are many ways just mark it as not received and re gift somewhere else.
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Here is a way to stop them that will work.
When someone creates a giveaway, SG checks to see if they have ever won the same game that they are giving away. Then SG checks what games the user owns according to his last sync with Steam. If he doesn't own the game, he should get a message saying something along the lines of:
"You must activate games that you have won in giveaways. You have won this game in a previous giveaway and it does not look like you activated the game. Please make sure the game has been activated on your steam account and then click the "Sync with Steam" button. You must activate the game you won before you can create a giveaway for the same game."
Also, when a winner is picked for a giveaway, have the website automatically check to see if the person has won a copy of the same game in the past and if they have, do an instant re-roll without anyone knowing. This user also gets automatically reported. This will prevent people from winning and not activating games and then keep entering for the same games that they have won previously. For the reported user with multiple wins, they are guilty if the giveaway of the duplicate win was created after the date he already won the same game.
With these 2 changes made, I don't think there is any possible way for someone to win the same game multiple times or re-gift a game.
Edit: This should not put much more stress on the server because it already checks to see if you own a game every time you do a search or click on a giveaway which tons of people do every second. This would do the same thing plus do a smaller check to just see if you have won the game previously, but these checks would only be done when a giveaway is created or won, which is probably a very tiny fraction compared to the number of times it does the same check for every single user searching and entering giveaways.
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Jesus. You guys are all hateful.
"Sharing is bad! Burn the sharer!"
Maybe I'd rather have the site karma than the game. Maybe I only want one or two games and they are rarely up for grabs. Maybe everyone that entered would like a second chance at winning.
Maybe I can't afford to spend money on games and this is the only way I can increase my karma.
You people are what's wrong with the world.
"Me me me me me me me." ~Said everyone in this thread.
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If you don't want the game for yourself, don't enter for it, It's that simple. Stealing the game away from someone else is not what I'd call a good deed. Sharing is good. Sharing what you stole, not so much.
People who steals win away from others and then try to gain from it by creating giveaways with it are what's wrong with this world.
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So everyone who legitimately wins a giveaway is a thief. Good to know. O.o
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No, only winning a game you don't want and don't plan on adding to your own account.
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You just don't have any friends or family do you. Or is it that they very concept of being nice to others is alien to you?
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I do have friends and family and I'm usually quite generous with them. However, whatever I give to them comes from me. I'm not taking anything away from anyone else.
Giving stolen goods to a friend is not generosity.
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Again: So everyone who legitimately wins a giveaway is a thief. Good to know. O.o
If I won a key it should be mine to do with as I please.
Buncha selfish control freaks in this thread, seriously.
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The site's rules are VERY CLEAR on that point
- Won gifts should be activated to the Steam account used during registration, and they should not be regifted, traded, or sold.
The goal of the site is to allow a person who want a game for themselve to have a chance at winning it. Any other use is thievery. So, everyone who wins a giveaway for a game they plan on adding to their own account is not a thief. Someone who win a game they don't intend to keep is.
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Your idea of 'niceness' it to take what should be about gifting and trying to profit from it. Someone in this comment chain deserves to be insulted, but you seem to be mistaken into believing it is other users who are the problem here.
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Explain to me how giving a game to my dad is profit but KEEPING IT isn't? O.o
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This site has very specific rules. Giving wins to others, be it through regifting on this or other sites, trading for other games or even just giving them to someone you know is not what this site is for.
You say that giving a game to someone you know doesn't get you anything? Guess what, me being generous with friends gets them to be generous with me.
You say that keeping the game is worse because then it would be played? Well, maybe if you hadn't entered for it, someone who did want the game would have won it. Funny, that.
From now on, remember these points.
- Do you want the game? Enter it.
- Do you not want the game? Avoid it.
- Do you want to act like you are suffering unfairly? Best to shut your trap now, because you broke the site rules and were punished for it, at this point you are only getting yourself blacklisted from future giveaways when people see the way you are acting about it.
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I see. Keeping something I won fair and square is generous, giving it away is greed, because rules. >.>
And I give exactly zero fucks about being blacklisting by Gordon Gekko wannabes. Bring it. I'd rather not participate in raising their karma anyway.
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how can steamgifts support detect if your "friend" or "brother/dad/sister/dog" activates it oir if you are selling it?
can you explain to me how are these two examples different from each other?
- "hey guys, i'm gonna enter this fallout 4 giveaway for my brother"
- "i'm gonna enter this fallout 4 giveaway, win it, then sell the game for $30 and buy stuff for myself"
if you don't see the issue here, please re-read the rules 1000 times and come back later. this site works on the very basic principle of winning a game > activating it on your account, so you don't end up entering for anything and making profit out of it.
it's really not that hard to understand.
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Activation confirmation isn't my problem. And support has already made it clear they don't care about botnets operating here. I'd link to my proof but I'd be banned again presumably for spamming.
It shouldn't matter what I do with the key anyway if I won it fair and square.
You people are like the fop jerk that refuses to give money to homeless people because they might spend it on drugs.
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It shouldn't matter what I do with the key anyway if I won it fair and square.
you keep saying that, but it's against the rules.
so you have 2 options:
- follow the site rules,
- or leave.
posting what you think it's right here doesn't help you at all, and you won't change anything.
and you didn't answer my question, which is the very reason the no-regift rule is in place:
- how can steamgifts support detect if your "friend" or "brother/dad/sister/dog" activates it or if you are selling it?
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It shouldn't matter what I do with the key anyway if I won it fair and square.
It DOES matter since, by the site rules, you won it under the pretense of adding it to your own account.
You people are like the fop jerk that refuses to give money to homeless people because they might spend it on drugs.
No, we're the people who will give money to the homeless to buy food but won't do it again if we notice he buy drugs with it instead.
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With how this site is structured, allowing re-gifters raises other issues which other users can take advantage of to raise their CV or hoard games.
So yes, even though you believe that you are being generous, it's actually for selfish reasons as you are not thinking about the possible problems allowing re-gifting may have for the site and other users of the site. There are these rules to make sure users do not abuse the system and cheat their way through to winning games, which would otherwise make it unfair to other users.
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You define "abuse" as I define generosity. The rules are parasitic. Which is why I am forced to comment here instead of give away my games. Don't worry I'll get bored soon. And you all can pat yourselves on the back for dogpiling me (us) into silence.
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No no no. You don't get it. What you're intentions are is not the same as another user. Sure, you might be being "generous" towards your friends and family, but you're not the only user on this site! There have been many other cases in which users cheated the system which has given precedence to how the rules are the way they are. Not everyone on the internet are good Samaritans, you see.
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So if you enter for a gift you don't even want and gift it away immediately, we are the selfish ones.
Logical.
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Yeah genius, it's called generosity. Look into it. Maybe I'd like the chance to win something for my girlfriend because I'm NOT a greedy hoarder and rarely use up all my points.
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"Hey friend, here is a gift for you. It wasn't expensive at all, I let someone else pay for it. Aren't I generous?"
You might be mistaken on what you believe generosity is.
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Hey friend I won the lottery yesterday, 200$! lets go to dinner, my treat :)
I don't think you understand what having a friend is.
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Here is the point, that $200 is yours to spend, there are no restrictions on it. That game you gave to someone else wasn't. In using this site, you agree to the rules, and so will get punished for breaking them.
Your act isn't generosity. You took something that you were given by another person for one purpose, to redeem for yourself. You didn't do that. Do not claim you are generous, you don't understand the word. What you gave was paid for out of the pocket of someone else.
At the rate you are going, the only thing you will get here in future is a permanent suspension.
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Don't enter for a game you don't want just to raise your "site karma."
Funny that you say the site is all about "me me me me" because that's what you sound like right now. It's not quite as funny that I'd say you are what's wrong with this site. ;)
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Your comment made me look your profile for things....
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Obviously someone with "special powers" too:
"Suspended: 1 week remaining"
That was quick.
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Someone of the mods/support must have read the discussion and also looked for things.
I feel like one of those hateful people who hate sharing when I haven't sent a game in over a week. Hateful, egoistic leecher, must be me. I'll do better next week.
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Oh good, it's not just me then.
I start to feel guilty if I don't have GAs running, either. Maybe I'm becoming addicted a casual gifter. :X
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Yes it was, speaking truth to power often gets you harassed rather quickly. You'd know that if you weren't a total drone.
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Ok, the others ave already given good answers to this, but I couldn't resist:
Let's say there's a giveaway for a game you don't want, but think you can "increase your karma" with by winning and then giving it away. 100 people who really want the game enter. And you. You manage to win. 100 disappointed people, and you. You make a new giveaway, "giving everyone that entered a second chance at winning". The same 100 people who really wanted the game enters (again), and one of them wins. The happy winner plays his/her game.
You're acting like if you didn't win and regift the game, no one would win it. That's not the case. One of those 100 would have won it the first time, and the game would not have to take the detour through you.
The only difference here is that instead of the game going directly to the winner, it goes through you, giving you "karma", plus that everyone must enter twice for the same chance of winning the game (doubling the "cost" for those people).
So, everyone who enters loses points, and you gain "karma". So - the only one who wins anything from this is you. It's against the rules, but you think the rules should be changed so you can start doing this - for your personal gain? Sounds a lot like the "me me me me me me me" you mentioned.
And by the way, the reason you were suspended was not that you wrote your opinions here in the discussion ;) I suggest checking the FAQ and following the rules.
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Worst time to get suspended right before the Steam sales when everyone gives away the good stuff. Such a shame :p
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You're probably right :) That's true for me at least. I'm awaiting the sale next week for some nice giveaways. Will do some blue-heart ones too, hopefully something to your liking!
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I try to skip giveaways even for wishlisted games because I have a huuuuge library of unplayed stuff. But I'm sure what I've prepared will be to your liking, try to build up your karma :))
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That's nice of you. For most of my whitelist giveaways I don't mind if it takes a while until the game gets played, everyone has a backlog. Everything within a year is highly reasonable to me :D So feel free, even if it will take a while for you to get to it. As for myself, I plan on not buying a single game for myself during 2016 (I might make an exception for wishlisted games in tier 1-2 Humble Bundles), and only get games for giveaways.
Sounds good with what you have prepared! As for the karma, I can spread holiday joy by winning all your stuff and then sending the things I don't like to the less fortunate. I just learned about that method. Everyone will be so happy! Karma-machine.
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None of that matters because I can't force a win. You reward me for keeping the game but punish me for passing it on? Which is more generous: A. Sitting on a game I won legitimately forever. B. Giving the game I won away so someone might actually play it?
You set up the system. I am allowed to enter any contest I want. And I'll still enter random contests because the site doesn't let me stockpile my points or enter multiple times.
These rules force people t be greedy and criminalize trying to be nice to friends and family.
Defending such a setup shames you and anyone else who does it.
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Nice article on that other site. So, a scam, you say?
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That sounds interesting. Care to share? Maybe in private (you can use one of my active GA:s) if it isn't suitable to share here on the forums/in public.
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I'd link you but I'd probably be banned for something. I'm sure me typing vowels is against some rule or other.
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So you're taking someone else's goodwill and using it for personal profit. Way to not be selfish.
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Giving something away is personal profit, hoarding it is generous... O.o
Do you work for Goldman Sachs?
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Steamgifts's rule. If you dislike it, why are you even here...? Go to PlayBlink where you belong.
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I was brought here under false pretenses. I didn't know about any of this bullshit till I was punished for failing to be a greedy game hoarder.
I'm not so pathologically greedy that it even occurred to me that giving away a game I rightfully won was prohibited.
The very first thing I was excited about when I first came here was how happy my friends and family would be that I got them games.
I ENJOY being nice. Contain your incredulity.
Had I known to pour over the faq for such an asinine rule, and found it, I would never have entered a single contest or given away a single game.
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Giving away games itself is already generous, even if receivers must activate games themselves. And you demand more... lmao ok.
"any Gift you receive is for personal use, and must be activated, or redeemed by the Steam ID associated with your SteamGifts.com account. The Gift should not be used for other purposes, including by not limited to, trading, selling, or regifting."
This is from ToS.
Your fault for not reading FAQ / ToS. Let that be your lesson learned. If you think this is bullshit; good hint that you SHOULD get OUT of here...
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Boyo, life is simple if you read :).
Don't like it, leave with a smile on your face knowing use mindless sheep and throwing money into a void.
Otherwise conform and help us feed ArchiBot :D.
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I am afraid the huge red sign would not stop 99% of the regifters. Those who "honestly didn't know" are very few and no, I don't have any faith in humanity to spare.
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most of them are new users how didn`t read the FAQ , understandable .
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Although, I can understand the site's policies for re-gifting, I do have a few issues, I would like to win games, including some of which I already own so that I may re-gift them directly to an autistic person I know who would enjoy the games, however the site's policies prevent me from doing that for two reasons, one, I cannot attempt to win a game I already own, and two, games I win are supposed to be added to my account only.
Sadly, I do not believe that the autistic person in question would truly understand the rules of the site. Bringing them here just wouldn't work out. I do understand that this conversation was more about users resubmitting games they have won here, back here in order to gain access offered to higher level gifters.
Still, my voice has been heard.
Thanks for listening.
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Why not use Steam family share? It's working out pretty good for me.
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Too many dishonest people out there who just sell or re-gift games for CV. Perhaps a few have good intentions, but they're few and far between.
Gotta keep in mind, this is someone's hard-earned money we're talking about here. Too many people re-gift already, and most people here consider it the worst possible thing you can do on SG.
Like fubar said, use Steam Family Share if you want to share your wins with a friend.
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TBH, Steam family share is something I have heard of, but not looked into, I understand the principles of it but I feel that it may open risks (Would I need this persons login details? would they be able to delete my games??? sure it would most likely be an accident), but as cruel as it sounds, I'm not entirely comfortable sharing my titles with anyone, as it has been said, this is somebody's hard earned cash we are talking about.
No harm in looking into it though I suppose, but my fear is too many negatives outweigh the positive.
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No, you don't share your login details or personal information at all. They also cannot delete any games from your account, or modify your account in any way. You would just be authorizing their account to access games in your library, download, and play them ... that's all.
The only drawback at all is that they won't be able to play games from your account when you're gaming on your account. My wife is on my family share (though she never uses it). It's not hard to set up and works really well. :)
Here's more info if you're interested : http://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing
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"So lets just criminalize being generous and pile abuse on anyone who wants the option, just in case." ~Said everyone in this community ever.
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No one criminalized anyone. Fubarnocaps and I gave the person asking a perfectly viable way to share their wins with a friend without breaking the site rules.
Checking SGTools says a lot about why you're so vehemently defending re-gifting. ;)
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Why don't you stop being passive aggressive and speak your mind. Are you scolding me for being poor? Classy. My initial shares were to test this system, and given the behavior of the community and management I deeply regret sharing what I did. I've never encountered such a narcissistic system or community.
I came here because I actually have this thing called a conscience and I feel lousy sitting on tons of bundle spares I'll never play when people less fortunate than even me might actually play them. But clearly every game I give away just ends up in some random dust collecting horde which is where they already are anyway so why bother?
Hell I'd give away my library games too if I was allowed. But no, this entire market sector is run by people like the ones in this thread. People for whom generosity is not only unthinkable but apparently actively hated.
Family share is token and worthless.
I once had to crawl under a house to fix a broken sewer line. I felt less dirty then than I do now speaking to you people.
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You're defending giving away what others have gifted you and calling yourself "generous" for it. Even worse, you do it for the CV so you can win more often. In my opinion, it'd be better to give nothing away (if you cannot) than to take the credit for what others have given.
If you can't see the inherent and obvious hypocrisy in that, then there's no helping you.
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So if I won the lottery it would be more generous to keep the money than give half of it away. Gotcha.
And the objective of raising my rank isn't to win more often it's to win more selectively.
You are trying to spin entering contests over which I have no control as some kind of act of theft. But it isn't.
You are just trying to control how others dispose of their winnings and justify your own greed.
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Well you're obviously just a thief. Ask everyone here. No one in the real world ever wanted to be generous or kind, that's why the staff here have so wisely made generosity against the rules. Right guys? Right? /smh
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You just fail to see the point of that rule.
Firstly, one of the fundamental idea of this site is that every entrant in a giveaway gets an equal chance of winning.
Allowing regifting would mean allowing users to virtually have multiple entries by asking their friends to enter.
Then there is the level system. Since you get credited for your giveaways, a regifter gets credited as well as the original gifter. 2 users gets credited for 2 giveaways, even though only 1 gift really exists.
You could also create fake giveaways for expensive games and have your friends enter and mark them received ("what happened to the 10 Fallout 4 I won you ask ? Oh I just gave them to friends, nothing wrong going on here."), or just regift the same games between each others until everyone is level 10.
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Let me tell you what i'd do
Automatically scan profiles for non-activated games (first pass)
Manually check the user to make sure there are no fake positives due to the nature of certain games not showing up correctly.
Long duration for the first suspension, permaban at the second.
Bring back the multiple translations of the FAQ so that people have no excuse for missing on that rule.
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^^ So much this.
The punishments here amount to little more than a slap on the wrist and not nearly enough is done to deter this type of conduct.
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Burn the generous! Flay those who share! ME ME ME!
/smh
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Looking at your comments, you're quite the opposite from generous.
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I believe he actually sees re-gifting as being "generous."
It must be easy for him to be generous with the money of others. ;)
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it's all a masterplan from the support staff to steal our gifts.
also cg friends get benefits, all those high-lv users just gift each other while the lv1 peasants watch the games fly around them. ;_;
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You know ... I was wondering when you'd happen along this thread again lmao.
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Yeah because adding a game to your library is more generous than giving it to your dad or friend. WTF is wrong with you people?
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By your logic it should be alright for me to go to a car lot and take a car without paying simply because my brother needs a new car.
Or better yet, take the car my neighbor has paid for and give it to my brother, then make sure everyone knows how "generous" I am giving him that car.
Get it yet?
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No by my logic it should be alright to enter a drawing to win a car expressly because my MOM needs a car.
Keep trying to spin entering a public contest as an act of theft.
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the car giveaway says YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THE CAR AND NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED.
do you still enter the giveaway?
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I'd say that's not a giveaway, because clearly I don't actually own the car.
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No by my logic it should be alright to enter a drawing to win a car expressly because my MOM needs a car.
The difference is that here it's against the rules to give the games you've won away, much the same as it's against the rules to give away your neighbor's car.
I'm glad you can call yourself generous giving away what others have paid for. I'd call you something else, though.
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Wow really? Stealing and breaking arbitrary self serving site rules are morally equivalent to you?
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Please don't presume to put words into my mouth. It was an analogy. Here let me try this one instead
Is it okay to take an apple from your neighbor's tree and give it to someone else and claim yourself "generous" for doing so? Or is your neighbor the generous one for letting you have the apple in the first place?
Or maybe true generosity would be taking an apple from your own tree and giving it to someone else.
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the one that hates this site rules is back
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Speak to my friends and family. I even give games to my enemies sometimes. Scolding of lick-spittle hoarders and generosity are not mutually exclusive. I'd rather be starting giveaway and entering contests than replying here, I assure you, but sadly only one of those choices is apparently permitted by site rules.
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Funny, because I manage to do both entering and creating giveaways as well as posting here. All of it without breaking the rules.
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but...
you aren't allowed to win! :|
if you are high-lv, it means you are rich, so you can only gift to poor users.
go buy your own games and make giveaways, that's how this site works
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And I'm done. Every single set of replies to me has boiled down to "because I said so." You've each given up defending your position ethically or logically and have reduced yourself to saying "it's wrong because the rules say so" when my entire point is that the rules are morally wrong in and of themselves.
You've all literally stopped thinking for yourselves. Enjoy your last words and mutual butt patting. Your dog pile has succeeded. The status quo be praised! Burn the generous! ALL HAIL THE RULES!
/smh
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bet you $100 he keeps entering GAs despite his utter "disgust" with the site. ;)
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he can, till support catches him being "generous" and perma-ban his account.
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He's a modern day Robin Hood.
Catch me, I'm swooning.
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If it was my intent to break this pathetic parasitic rules and get myself banned why would even speak to any of you in a critical way?
If I just intended to ignore the rules, why would care enough to comment on their being devoid of rationality?
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You did intentionally ignore the rules, and were subsequently suspended for it. ;)
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Prior to my ban I didn't know it was against the rules to not activate a key on my account.
But don't let facts get in the way of a self stroking narrative.
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Maybe I'd rather have the site karma than the game. Maybe I only want one or two games and they are rarely up for grabs. Maybe everyone that entered would like a second chance at winning.
What's ironic is that you call the rest of us "greedy" and yourself "generous." Why do you only want "the site karma?" Hmmm?
Come on, let's be honest here. You re-gift games for the CV so you can win more games. You've already admitted it, so just stop with the bullshit already. You're not generous. You're a hypocrite who's trying to pass himself off as generous by giving away (and getting credit for) something you did nothing to earn outside of pressing a little green button on your screen. No one gave two shits about how many games you'd given away until you started calling yourself generous for giving away games that OTHERS paid for.
You wanna see generous, bro? I could name 25 people here on SG right now who've given away thousands of dollars worth of games so people like you can have a chance at winning them by doing nothing more than pressing that little green button.
THAT, my ironic little friend, is generosity. If it weren't for people like them, you wouldn't win a damned thing.
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Eh, maybe I was a bit harsh, but I meant every word (and a few I refrained from saying).
I thought of people like MsSadisticChicken, Rachellove, and Student123 (just to name a few, including yourself) who spend nearly every penny of their disposable income on giveaways for people like this guy ...
To see the utter lack of humility in the face of their generosity just makes me want to puke. :X
/rant off.
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The thing is ... just from getting to know a bunch of you on this site ... communicating with you and seeing how generous people can be just giving away games, I also know that all of you are most likely the same off the site as well. I'm not a very "social" person, but I could honestly see myself being friends with a lot of you.
I can't even really put into words what I am trying to say. Suffice it to say that the generosity I see on this site daily literally humbles me. I spend more time on this site than anywhere else on the internet, and there's a real reason for that. There are some truly amazing and selfless people here, and it just %%#$@# pisses me off to see those amazing people insulted like this.
Grrr ... this guy. I've had enough from him.
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Haha yeah, I hear that. People on SG probably think I'm this obnoxious extrovert, when in reality I maybe say 5-10 words all day. Being agoraphobic doesn't help, either. -_-
A little secret -- that's one of the reasons I kept replying -- to bump the thread for visibility ;)
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We gave you answers beyod the simple "because the rules said so" but you just ignore every single one of them.
Glad to see you go, no one will miss you. :D
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we can still read his rants in his blog, maybe he will write another about steamscamgifts :3
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The rules didn't come out of no where. Nor are the rules there for the sake of, as you seem to describe it, "oppressing" lower level users or poor users. They are there because there are people who would take advantage of the site to hoard games or artificially raise their CV. You seem to only pinpoint and focus on the negatively connotative words other people in this thread have used without considering what they mean in context. You may think you are being generous, but allowing re-gifting also allow OTHER users to take advantage of it and do the aforementioned activities that would otherwise make the site broken, for the lack of a better word. It may seem unfair but it is this way so that people do not cheat the system.
Maybe you are so obstinate with your stance because other replies in this thread have been quite aggressive, but their opinions are not unprecedented. You come onto this site, and there are rules you are expected to follow (which the rules themselves are not unprecedented). Sure, this site is not completely perfect, but if you want to challenge the rules of the site, make sure you think of the full scope of the situation.
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No I already answered this. The potential for misuse is not my problem.
It's insane to criminalize an entire sector of generous activity because people you don't like are profiting in some way. They are cool with botnets, to the point that 4 separate mods spent a day and a half defending them to me in PM, but regifting is apparently barbarians at the gates.
Why am I the only one that thinks its loony tunes to ban gifting on a page named steam gifts!?
What's the point of having a karma system if you don't trust it?
Also, your final argument is just like all the rest. Rule breaking as intrinsic evil.
That could not be more terrifying.
Rules do not absolve you of ethical responsibility.
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No I already answered this. The potential for misuse is not my problem.
well, it IS our problem, so we follow the rules.
if you don't like them, just stop posting here.
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Rather than imposing your ideals like this, it would be better if you could suggest something that would work.
And as how you said the potential of misuse is not your problem, well your desire to gift to your family and friends is not OUR problem.
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Like I said, why have a karma system if you're going to ignore it? Simply make SELLING keys a site violation and let the community operate as intelligence gathering.
eBay already solved the problem with a user rating system. And there is already a blacklist system.
Regifting is only a problem in the minds of Gordon Gekko generosity hating control freaks.
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and what if people go to other sites to resell?
what if people use alt accounts to resell?
the only way to control them is with these rules.
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Maybe I'd rather have the site karma than the game.
His motive for re-gifting, in his own words.
Nuff said.
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ah ok, we are done here!
hey, weren't you leaving and never coming back to the site 2 weeks ago and also 45 mins ago?
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Who me?
Naw, I could never leave my favorite redhead SteamGifter lmao.
Yeah I know you weren't taking about me. :(
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It must be nice not having any friends or family or people you care about. Lookin out for #1 eh?
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Aww that's cute, you're not aware of people outside the pleasure garden having limited funds.
I wouldn't buy bundles in the first place if I had loads of cash genius.
And if I had said loads of cash of course I'd just buy games for my friends and family directly, and I do when I can.
But being broke doesn't stop me from wanting to be helpful... That's the entire reason I came here I the first place.
FFS the spoiled in here is eyeball deep.
The social mockery of regifting is a corporate invention. They want us all consumerist hoarders so they can sell more widgets per capita.
Wake up and smell the public relations.
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I wouldn't buy bundles in the first place if I had loads of cash genius.
What, so bundles don't cost money? Games from bundles can't be gifted to 'friends and family'?
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they are free here, just enter some giveaways and regift!
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Naw, much better to run a bot net. That won't get you banned.
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Yeah, I have to tell you that bundles, Especially humble bundles, are way way cheaper. You didn't already know that. >.>
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Well, you're right, HB $1 can be cheaper on it's own but if you save up and don't buy bundles you'll have more in a short time. And games from HBs aren't too bad to be gifted to friends and family :P
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So greed is generous and sharing is greedy. Thanks for clearing that up. What a narcissist I am for wanting to enter contests expressly for the purpose of being nice to someone else.
You should search amazon for Ayn Rand, I'm sure you'll find some material that'll make your day.
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And you're doing it at the expense of two strangers, the gifter and the potential winner if you hadn't entered. You're like the guy who spray-painted "give respect" on someone's front door here - vandalism is very respectful ...
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Yeah because giving stuff to OTHER PEOPLE is only thinking about myself.
You people are literally delusional if you think giving something away is intrinsically selfish. It really is that simple.
If gifting is selfish then this entire site is selfish.
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i buy games, people win them, they activate them and play.
you win games, regift them, and someone else in this site can't play them.
you are selfish.
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So winning a game fair and square is the same as stealing it. Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. /smh
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So feeling good about doing something good makes giving a gift selfish, and winning a random contest without cheating is stealing if you intend to give away the prize. Thanks for clearing that up. I had no idea. >.>
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yes, you've kind of got it now :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahDxg3hc5pM
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ok, i give up. it's obvious you can't grasp the basic meaning of regifting and how it hurts this site mechanics.
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It's a shit mechanic if you have to prohibit gifting on a site with "gift" in the fucking domain name XD
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Yeah because everyone has to be as tech savvy as we are in order to deserve a casual puzzle game on their windows xp box.
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http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/lPzkZLv
yup, you would fit perfectly there.
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I don't understand how you can see yourself as generous when you've deprived several people on this site of games they (possibly) genuinely wanted. Thousands of people entered for the games you won, some of which you obviously didn't even want, so why did you enter, knowing other people wanted them as well? (just because they're strangers doesn't mean they want or deserve them less than your friends and family)
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maybe because he's using the wrong definition of being generous.
let's clarify:
- steamgifts generous: enter only for games you want, gift your bought games to others.
- steamgifts selfish: enter for anything you want, regift as you like.
- inn generous: enter for anything you want, regift as you like.
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inn selfish: enter only for games you want, gift your bought games to others.
edit: honestly, i posted this a joke, but with this reply i'm 100% sure this place isn't for you and your alternate reality.
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You're not capable of serious conversation. You think mockery is argument. Go back to 4chan, the trap threads miss your copious slurs and gif copy pasta.
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Says the person that has mocked everything here that anyone has said.
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no, i don't go to stupid sites like that. i prefer to be here with grown up and polite people that use logic to see why rules are in place.
you clearly fail to see why we have these rules.
but you, you might fit in that site you mention. you just ignore what evereyone else said about the rules and keep saying "rules are bad, greed wins!".
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It's not like I'm cheating the contest. If I win something fair and square it should be mine.
You'd have a point if I was like hacking the RNG or something.
But I'm not, I'm spending my finite allotment of points in a way I see fit and I have as much chance to win as anyone else. and as others have said I could always be blacklisted by specific gifters.
My point is that it doesn't need to be a site rule.
Either way, I am playing by your rules. You make relax. The status quo be praised, greed has won the day! If I intended to break the rules I wouldn't be here ranting about how stupid they are. I'd just quietly break them. When I first got banned I didn't even know that not activating my key was prohibited.
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And as we've all learned, rules are intrinsically ethical because rules. Right?
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The point is that no one is arguing the rules are inherently ethical from the standpoint of moral right or wrong. the point is that disregarding any rules for your own reasons while ignoring the good of the whole community is unethical. And you've claimed, now that you know what they are, you will abide by them. I would consider that behavior as ethical. But, you'd have a stronger argument if you said you would continue to ignore the rules if you felt so strongly that they were morally unethical.
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True I would but then I'd be banned and wouldn't be able to make an argument at all. Sadly in a corrupt setting one must compromise to participate.
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One last comment. And a serious question. Are you aware there is at least one other popular gifting site? (That's not the question) SteamCompanion has the same rule about regifting. I.e. they came to the same conclusion / solution for managing their community. Do you really think that every site that makes a rule restricting what you can do with a gift or prize does so out of their own greed?
Let me tell you a personal story about how regifting affects others. I entered a giveaway on SteamCompanion that had 100 copies with the odds of about a 40% chance to win (pretty high by most standards). I did not win and that was fine even though I really wanted to play the game and was quite disappointed. But I subsequently saw dozens of giveaways here at SteamGifts for that same game from the very same people that had won that giveaway. Can you imagine how it would make someone feel to know the odds of winning any of these newly created giveaways was more like 0.01%? To top it off those people would benefit through, as you say "increased karma". If they were altruistic they wouldn't make a giveaway or give it to a friend, they would find some truly needy stranger and give it to them.
The community attempts to put a stop to the practice so that people who truly deserve to win do so. Not so that we stop you from helping someone else out. You would be generous to allow others to win who deserve to. Yes, sometimes people who don't need or deserve to win do win, but you or I can't be the arbiter of that, we don't know their personal situation. Be happy that there are so many people here that care about giving and want their gifts to end up with people that want to play and enjoy them.
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It is yours. And no one can stop you from giving it to someone else. But there are rules of the site came about for a reason. And it wasn't to deprive your rights. It was to simplify the running of the site and make things fair to all. So if you choose to do something with your gift other than what is expected, then you can expect to eventually be banned from entering giveaways.
To continue mocking and insulting the users of the site that try to explain things to you is immature. We already get your point and reject your logic. Rail on if you like but it won't change things. Try suggesting alternatives to running the site that do involve unworkable premises.
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They can ban me for it, and I actually have honor. I would rather see the rules changed than simply break them. Once I found out what the bullshit greedy rules were and my ban expired I began playing by them. Like I said many times to the other hall monitors, if I intended to break the rules I wouldn't be protesting here.
And all people have to do to shut me up is not reply.
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However, the gifter expects that you activate it on your own account.
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Yeah because rules are intrinsically good because they are rules. Your enthusiastic acquiescence truly disturbs me.
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I didn't care what people did with my keys that I gifted.
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Sure, but you don't represent everyone else in this community. Just because you didn't care doesn't mean that others don't.
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You said regifting is a problem right? If all you people keep assuming all regifting is about theft, and you ban and sensor anyone who practices it, then how do you know?
Sure you're in the majority at this point. The banhammer has seen to it. Convenient to take a vote after the fact.
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Ah the pretentious nature of your speech is absolutely delicious. You must go about your ways, being the wondrous pedant that you are, spouting words you do not comprehend in the vain hope that others may bow to your false intellect.
Well, good sir, I must inform you that your poor man's attempt to hide your stupidity has failed! For you see, unlike the others here, I see that you do not believe the very words that you speak. The sweet sounding words that sputter out of your incoherent mouth are just as shallow as your comprehension of what they mean. You speak in circles in the false belief that this tactic will validate your claims, when in reality we just see a sad lil' child who is trying his earnest to convince us that the boogieman exists and is living under his bed. It would be absolutely adorable were it not for your toxic nature :).
Run off lil' child. Yell into the void and show them the truth that you have learned here today. I'm sure one day, someone will come to believe you.
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hahah xD
i love when people speak like you :3
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One of the few perks of going to a world top university :P.
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i didn't have the luxury of enjoying that level of education ;_;
i'm just a poor peasant, can you share regift some of your knowledge? ;_;
anyway, gonna watch wall street for the 50th time. obviously it's the only movie i ever watched since i keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
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I'm only here because of government loans/grants :P. I work nights on the weekends while I live at home to pay for my games, so I'm not the bourgeois that he hates so much :(.
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Google my name. I'm not attempting to hide anything.
And being called toxic by a Gordon Gekko clone is literally a compliment. Thank you.
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You must really love that movie. Well, it is either that or you cannot think of anything else to say so you just repeat yourself. But I'm sure it's not that :D.
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The character precisely captures the ethos of this crowd. The character is famous for explicitly saying greed is good, like you obsequious lot.
So long as the label is accurate, I'll use it.
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This is only because I'm in a good mood :).
Gordon Gekko may very well represent this community in your eyes, but your heavy handed usage of said imagery is clumsy at best. Saying it once would have drawn focus and encapsulate your argument into something that is easily recognizable and relatable. Saying it a million times makes your argument appear hollow; as if you are merely using the word as filler in place of an actual argument.
Repetition draws attention to itself and the more you repeat a word or phrase, the less impact it has overall. If you truly wanted to sway us with your argument, you would have built upon the image of Gordon Gekko instead of relying on it as though it was the ultimate cheat code in a video game. Saying X is Y is not enough.
It is one thing to have a dissenting opinion. It is quite another to come into a community and claim to be hot shit when you can't even argue your points correctly.
Want people to take you seriously? Learn to bloody read, see why people speak and act they way they do and then offer an alternative if you take issue. Saying you know best because reasons, makes you look like a dumbass.
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Funny how he ignored my comment, while replying to several others in the meanwhile. Because how could he possibly be wrong ?
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didn't want to get snarky with support I am guessing
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so it also applies to you.
keep regifting, gordon.
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After wasting so much time reading this at random cuz the title popped out at me all I have to say is who's Gordon Gecko? srsly
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We're all Gordon Gekko, apparently.
Michael Douglas - Wall Street (1987)
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So long as you think gifting is selfish, collecting is gift is theft, and hoarding a gift is generosity. /shrugs
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I think these people are among the most generous I've known, and all night I've had to sit here watching you vainly attempt to mask and make excuses for your own greed while you openly insult them. You may honestly believe yourself to be generous, I don't know - and maybe you really are outside this site -- but you most certainly lack any sense of humility in the face of the truly generous people of this site. If it weren't for them, you'd have won nothing. You should be grateful for them and show a little appreciation for the opportunity they've given you.
Maybe I'd rather have the site karma than the game.
Your words, not mine. Let me clue you in on something -- truly generous people don't call themselves generous. Now look back upon every post made in reply to you tonight. Has anyone other than you called himself/herself generous? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, apparently.
Think about that a while.
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They regift to get free points. A simple solution to stop this is to penalize them when cought: substract a significant amount of points from their profile (2, 5 or 10 times what the game is worth).
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Wow lot of misunderstanding why re-gifting is actually bad. So let me try a little story.
Super group Boy Fever just decided to play a concert in your home town. Even better it is free and they are giving away 5000 tickets. If you want one you have to be in line in the morning. You hear about the free tickets and go stand in line. So do another 6000 people; 1000 more people than there are tickets. Lucky you you were number 307 so you get a free ticket. But here's the catch you didn't want to see Boy Fever, instead you run to the back of the line and go ticket for sale only $500. Just a quick turn around for a bit of cash. Well you don't see anything wrong with what you are doing but ask number 5001 who wanted to see the show. If people like yourself weren't in line then they would have something that they wanted. After all they stood in line just like you. In some areas there are actually laws against ticket scalping.
Now change Boy Fever to Developers, tickets to game keys, $ to CV, and laws to site rules.
The reason the rules are in place is so that number 5001 gets a fair chance, and that no one is gaming the system based on another's gift.
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Nice dev guy gave away like 3k keys for FaeVerse Alchemy in a few rounds. Since then there are at least 2 user/day trying to regift the won game. Now there's even a guy with 2 games won. Some say they are tricksters but they get caught easily so they must be very stupid or just lacked time to read the Terms od Service. I think we should help these kind souls with a huge freaking sign that tells them to not be that guy.
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