Sugestions to improve SG CV, level, bundled/non-bundled games, etc.

ideaal would be something like games that get on the bundle list will only be 15% for people from that region... For stuff like Russia...
But implementation and such will be hard I think

my 2 cents

kill cv with fire !

turtle off

Add a NA+EU region, and include any other regions with similar prices.

I know it doesn't solve the whole CV and games being bundled issue, but it would make me happy.

I haven't heard a sound solution to this problem yet so I guess we just have to live with it. By the way with Enhanced Steam it's quite easy to predict which games will most likely end up on the Bundle list.

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

We should just remove the ability for anyone to make giveaways.

I would like your thoughts on this idea:

One of my ideas is to also lock by regions but only for the "now considered bundled games". For instance, Russia (one of the most common regions where games have a discount over 95% making them bundled) has a huge discount on Witcher 3. Let's says 96% of the original price, making the game bundled for everyone on SG. Instead, all users, from the region where such discount is applicable, cannot create a GA for that game without any region restrictions (they can create GAs for that game). For users of other regions, the game should be considered as non-bundled.
What do you think? Is it fair?

EDIT: I think it is more fair than the current option. Some people say that an user can obtain that game by trading or by buying it on another site. But why would he? If it is a lot cheaper in his region.

• CV value remains unchanged regardless of Steam Store Price (Yes/No) ?

Is there a reliable way to know a user's region?

I don't care about CV or level thing, but maybe if less points were needed to enter giveaways for bundled games, it would be neat!

Unfortunately:

1. Russian gal buy Wicher 3 on 96% discount - about $ 2.5 I think
2. Russian mal transfer Witcher to his alternate account, which is signed on another region - Poland f.ex
3. Russian pal make a gibs from the second - european - account
4. ???
5. PROFIT!!
6. KUDOS!!
7. CV!!

all users, from the region where such discount is applicable, cannot create a GA for that game without any region restrictions
Rather, they'd count as bundled, rather than being locked out entirely.

However, the person in question can still just trade the games to a non-RU account to post up, in trade for ROW games, so someone could still exploit off them.

all users, from the region where such discount is applicable, cannot create a GA for that game without any region restrictions. For users of other regions, the game should be considered as non-bundled.

no, it's not fair, and it's annoying for region-locked people. no need to leave us out of row GAs.

if users feel that bundlers are unfair, just pick games with average discounts instead of pushing it to the limit, like waiting till it hits 80% or more.

it's funny how most people complaining about bundles claim that they don't care about cv, but they give away stuff heavily discounted.

I say we just keep everything the way it is. Or completely remove levels. That would be the only fair choice.

To be honest, I'd rather see people abuse it to get to 10 instead of seeing legitimate users have their CV randomly drop because a game got bundled from a region locked area so the majority couldn't even benefit from it anyhow.

This system is causing too much trouble anyway, we could just get rid of the bundle list thing and give full CV for everything that you can give away here.

all users, from the region where such discount is applicable, cannot create a GA for that game without any region restrictions - that bassically kills anyone living in such a region from participation in non-Russian SG community. He cannot give away games in ROW groups, in ROW puzzles, events etc - even if he manages to get a ROW copy especially to give it away to ROW people. Better (but not perfect - still punishing russians who buy ROW copy for ROW GA) sollution is - if game was 95%+ in your region - all your GAs for this game no matter if ROW or region-restricted gives you 15% value. That being said - it still doesn't solve all problems, yet problems present are less common. But still present:

1. What if Russian moves out from Russia? Starts living in let's say USA, with US Steam, US store prices etc? how do you deal with it? Do you keep punishing him because he used to once live in cheaper region? Or do you automatically change his account the moment he logs from US IP? Or do you make him request account change via Support?
2. If you automatically change or Support change - what stops russians from starting to use VPN to log into SG just to give ROW GAs for full value? Give them in groups of russians only or private GAs and send links to russians only? Or to change their IP via VPN and flood Support with fake requests of region change?
3. People from other regions can still access Russian gift copies - they can trade for them, win them on GM etc - and then they can give these GAs the same way I described in point above getting full CV. Both your and this proposition would stop russian from gaining fake CV, but not all the other users who may still trade with russians.

(I used Russian as an example, as they got most "bundle-value-discounts" but this is applicable to all other regions as well)

Your idea has two flaws.
First of all, in your first EDIT you noticed right thing - there are people who live in restricted regions and still want to giveaway ROW games, buying them from traders. Suggested system would discourage them.
And this would not protect from people from ROW regions that would want to exploit CV by buying restricted gifts and giving them away in closed group.

And, I do believe that people that give away good games in most cases do this to bring happiness, not to gain CV. Look at level 10 users - they can't get more CV than they had, but they are still giving. So, I don't think that bundling of games because of regional prices is a real problem.

All discussions about improving the cv-sytem are pointless....cause the system itself is pointless.
Maybe soon nearly every game discounted 80% or maybe even 75% will count as bundled...whats the point of the CV anyway?
The only purpose of the resulting level is to use in in setting up your giveaways and restrict it to level x+
This horse is dead....let it die.

It would be more usefull, to implement some things....like in sgtools...maybe less strict. Some kind of ratio-check (won/given)..maybe also with timebased templates, like check ratio in the last 6 month and maybe other things like combine group+hidden and so on