Other XFX Pro Series TS550W - need more power, better if 750w (because of video card)
Memory G.Skill TridentX DDR3 2x4GB 2400MHz CL10 (F3-2400C10D-8GTX) - better if it will be 2x8gb
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I though I have somethig around 60-70 W left. I checked somewhere on 1 or 2 sites.
Are you sure?
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He's not. Totally wrong
Sam używam GTX'a 970 wraz z i5-4690k i 8 gisów ramu. Mam zasilacz 550W który jest sporo o wiele ponad. Bez problemowo wystarczyłby 400W, nie kręcę procka ale do tego to i nawet by starczyło (ewentualnie 450W). Ludzie nie mają pojęcia o czym mówią i piszą pierdoły hurr durr mocny zasilacz. 750W do takiego setupu to po prostu overkill. 550W ci bezproblemowo wystarczy. Jak chcesz się bawić w mocne podkręcanie to można dołożyć do 600w, ale i tak 550W jest ok, pi razy oko twój setup będzie zżerał niecałe 450W
Procesor - nie wiem do czego konkretnie będziesz używać jeszcze PC, ale jak tylko do grania to nie wiem czy jest sens brać i7. Moja i5 nie kręcona bez problemu wraz z 970 ciągnie wszystko jak leci a zawsze mogę ją podkręcić na 4.2-4.5 GHz
Ponownie - pamięć. 2400 MHz to overkill. Jeżeli do grania to nie zauważysz żadnej różnicy między 1600-2000-2400. Bo praktycznie jej nie ma. Po prostu. Różnica w wydajności jest taka minimalna że nie warta wspominania. Do tego zaznaczam że ta płyta obsługuje 2400 MHz dopiero po kręceniu w Biosie, standardowo maks jest 1600
EDIT: Sam mam ramki 1866
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Jestem fanem minecrafta z własnymi + 60 innymi modami na wysokiej rozdziałce -> RAM
oculus / vive -> ram
kompilacja filmow -> ram (jak ja sie wkurzalem na moim laptopowym 6 GB 13xx)
Z tego co poznajdywalem powinienem miec 21xx - 2400 MHz., a jesli mowisz ze do tego potrebuje podkręcić procek - zrobię to, o ile - jest to bezpieczne.
Zamierzam podkęcać, ale w granicach rozsądku :)
Minecraft with my and 60 other mods on high texture packs -> RAM
Oculus / Vive -> RAM
Movies compilation / creation -> RAM (it was sick on my old ^ GB 13xx MHz...)
From what I have found - I should have 21xx - 2400 MHz, and if you say I would need to OC - I will do it, with consious of course.
I want to overclock, but only in safety :)
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Nie potrzebujesz podkręcić procka - potrzebujesz podkręcić pamięć w Biosie (w sensie żeby działała na 2400 bo jak pisałem stockowo będzie chodzić maksymalnie na 1600)
Ram ramem ale tu nie chodzi o prędkość tylko o ilość. Z drugiej strony 2400 nie są tak znowu o wiele droższe od wolniejszych więc możesz brać, ale jak już filmy i te sprawy to wolałbym dorzucić 8 giga więcej (normalnie 16 giga za chiny ci się nie przyda ale przy kompilachach/konwersach i tego typu zadaniach może być pomocne i to bardzo). Taktowanie niewiele tu zmienia
Jak zamierzasz kręcić w granicach rozsądku to bierz 600W. Ze stockowego setupu zostaje ci wtedy około 150-180W - do lekkiego kręcenia wystarczy. Chociaż nie żebyś wgl potrzebował kręcić CPU/GPU - z takim zestawem i tak ci będzie wszystko działać (jak mówiłem, sam mam i5-4690k, 970'tkę oraz 8 gigsów i bezproblemowo gry chodzą na najwyższych detalach)
Do mocniejszego kręcenia procka potrzebował byś chłodzenia wodnego, z tego co wiem i7'ki się grzeją...tzn normalne, każdy procesor się grzeje ale np swoją i5'kę na Fortisie HE1224 bez problemu dojadę do tych 4.5 GHz. i7 na 5 GHz + potrzebować będzie mocnego chłodzenia
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zupdateowane.
Co do procka zrobilem ankiete.
Prosze oznacz swoj wybor. :)
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IMO ankieta nie potrzebna, to twój wybór. Jak masz hajs i ci nie szkoda to bierz i7. Mi byłoby szkoda bo wiem że 4690k jest tym "idealnym" procesorem do gier a kompa do innych zadań wymagających. Za swojego i5 zapłaciłem 918 zł, nie dałbym 1.5k za procka bo mi szkoda ^^
Nawet mam jeszcze listę komponentów z zamówienia w sklepie - zapłaciłem 3808 zł, kupowałem to prawie zaraz po premierze nowych GF'ów w listopadzie zeszłego roku
Karta graficzna MSI GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 4GB DDR5 PCI-E BOX
Procesor Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5 GHz BOX
Pamięć Goodram DDR3 Play 2x4GB 1866MHz Red CL9
Dysk Crucial SSD MX100 (2.5", 128GB, SATA/600)
Płyta główna Asrock Z97 PRO4
Zalman ZM-STG2 - Pasta termoprzewodząca (3,5g)
CoolerMaster wentylator do obudowy Sickle Flow 120mm LED czerwony
Zasilacz Cooler Master G550M 550W
Tylko ten wentylator okazał się lipą - tzn wyszło tak że na płycie mam tylko jedno gniazdo sterowane przez samą płytę. Po podpięciu wentyla (miał być na przód) okazało się że chodzi on na maksymanlych 2k RPM bo nie było sterowania - i hałasował tak że to przegięcie było. Z płyty się nie dało a programy go nie łapały. Spróbowałem połączyć go z tylnym na jedno gniazdo rozdzielaczem ale wtedy ustawiając go na 1,5k RPM tylny był ustawiony na poniżej 1k przez co właściwie gucio dawał (bo maks tylnego to jakieś 1.8k)
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Nie ma sensu. Zobacz sam na ten test. Ja mam 1866 - 66.9 fpsów max. Ile jest maks dla 2400 ? 70.8. 0.9 fpsa więcej. Absolutny brak sensu.
W średnich fpsach - 5 klatek więcej. Widzisz tu sens ? Bo ja nie, z prostej przyczyny - 60+. Człowiek nie jest w stanie zauważyć różnicy między 60 klatkami a 65. To nie jest 60vs120 tylko właśnie 60vs-65. Przy takim setupie jak wybrał bez kręcenia podzespołów osiągnie miękkim ch* 60 klatek w dowolnej grze na maksymalnych detalach. Powiedzmy że gra w jakąś tam grę i ma 128 klatek. Z ramkami 2400 miałby 135. Po co dopłacać za coś czego nie zauważysz ?
Wydajność bierze się z procesora i karty graficznej. Dorzucanie dodatkowych MHz do pamięci to tylko dla ekstremistów. Dla zwyczajnego użytkownika 2133 to jest maks a i tak nieco ponad
Co nie zmienia faktu że jak ma kasę to czemu nie, szczególnie że jak pisałem aż tak droższe nie są. Tyle że wolałbym tą stówę odłożyć, dołożyć trochę i kupić 16 GB z mniejszym taktowaniem co bardziej mu się przyda przy obróbce filmów
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Oczywiście że w stresie potrafią zassać nieźle. Ale nie zmienia faktu że 750W do tego zestawu to overkill chyba że chciałby robić ekstremalne podkręcanie (level "chłodzenie cieczą"). Taki zasilacz to do dwóch kart...chociaż do dwóch 980 to wtedy byłoby za mało, potrzebowałby 1k do stockowego i pewnie ponad do kręcenia mocniejszego
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Oh sure, it'll work. But anytime you're pushing a PSU that close to its maximum rating, you're accelerating degradation speed and sooner rather than later a component will fail. It's like running a car engine at maximum RPMs -- it'll fail much faster.
It's always wiser to go a little more than you need on a PSU (read reviews and find a PSU whose maximum efficiency wattage range is right in line with your typical usage). Most every custom builder I know goes 20%+ more wattage than the minimum they need, and usually it's closer to 30%. That range of maximum efficiency almost always (on a quality power supply) falls right in there.
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I'm quite aware of that. That setup will not push a high quality 550W PSU like that to its limits, the stress will be near optimal range, although considering such high-end GPU, 650W might run a bit closer to optimal under heavy stress. High quality 750W is simply uselessly large, and will run at too low stress levels, which while better than over stressing the PSU, is worse than a properly sized one. Thanks to the overabundance of low quality PSU's around most people will go for hugely oversized PSU's.
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HyperX Savage 2x8GB 2400MHz DDR3 CL11 (HX324C11SRK2/16)
around $ 110 (in my country of course!!)
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you can buy more ram in the future.
take a look at other companies.
You will need more than 8gb RAM If you "..want to run any game smoothly on best graphic options on it" as you said.
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HDD opinions on polish site:
Almost everybody loves it :)
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I'm Polish too, and yeah, it's 1 of the 2 HDD's I'd consider getting right now (the other being http://www.morele.net/dysk-western-digital-caviar-blue-3-5-1tb-sata-600-7200rpm-64mb-cache-wd10ezex-479659/ which I have in my PC right now) but it's basically 50/50 between them, they're both great so go get the cheaper one ^^
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Sounds about right for one of the best rigs money can buy. I say you should go for it.
Edit: I would get 16 GB RAM just to be safe.
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but is it optimal?
Maybe I should pay 50% less and buy new one in some next years?
I am hoping to stay on this for 5 or more years...
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Hard to say if it will be good for 5 or more years considering games are evolving so fast, but I reckon it will run everything for at least 3 years.
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If you're planning on doing some video editing, 16 Gb is definitely the better option. It's also better if you get your RAM from one single kit so you avoid mismatched sticks.
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If it's for gaming, drop that i7. Dual channel ram + tiny cache + HT will work at full capacity only for very specific tasks, very different from gaming. Cooler looks ok, may get a bit loud with stock fans in the summer.
Get at least 16GB ram, 8 starts to be low today.
I'm dissapointed with failure rates of Seagate drives, get WD Black(games) or Green(storage) .
For psu I go for Seasonic ones, no idea how good xfx is. 550-600W from quality unit should be enough.
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sugerowałem się testami z gier z purepc albo pclab.
Tam ta i7 miażdzy wszystko, na testach zagranicznych jest w top3 albo w top5.
Inne procki to te z nowej generacji, ale są już o wiele droższe.
Jak chcesz to poszukam tych testów, ale jestem na komórce, więc chwilkę mi to zajmię :)
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Tak jak przedtem pisali, co do i7 to jeśli masz zamiar robić coś oprócz grania (renderowanie, grafika etc.) to zostaw.
Jeśli chcesz tylko grać w gry na nim to możesz zejść do i5 4690 / i5 4690k. W chwili obecnej gry znacznie bardziej wykorzystują GPU niż CPU (od dawna ludzie się zastanawiają czy hyperthreading coś zacznie pomagać w grach, ale nadal na to nie wygląda [masz tu benchmark w GTA V jakby co: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLs-sMteggg )
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Let's keep it in english, after all not everyone learned polish yet )
I'm not tracking gaming performances - it's very low on my priorities list (I need silence, cores & memory bandwidth and no water inside). Compare same clock speeds - I don't think difference will be much bigger then measurement error.
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Nie takie opinie złe, a wadliwe towary zdażają się też i w tych wymienionych przez Ciebie.
Wybrałem Barracudę bo jest wydajna i cicha, a dopiero na końcu - jest tania.
Może ten model to jakiś ewenement od Seagate?
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Don't believe that much in those 'client reviews' - most are written within few weeks after purchase and well. No surprise most are good.
I've been seeing lots of bad opinions about seagates in recent years - they tend to die much more often then competition. Bit of a gamble tbh. But if losing data stored on it is no biggie may be worth to buy.
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can you tell me the main differences in those "color" variants? :D
Im still on mobile :(
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Bierz Blue albo Black. Są to twoje typowe dyski do zadań wszelakich. Blue to standard, Black to zwiększona wydajność
Zielone to...zielone :) Eco tzw. Coś tam z oszczędzaniem energii. Ale są chyba wolniejsze
Fioletowe podobnież są do magazynowania nagrań wideo z rejestratorów, kamer i takich tam
Czerwone - nie mam pojęcia
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Haha you just want to brag about your specs eh?
An 550W PSU is gonna be a bit short for overclocking CPU+GPU, I'd go for a 650W EVGA Supernova GS at least. You should definitely avoid cheaping out on the PSU, if it fails it has a chance to bring the entire system down with it. A good and reliable PSU should last you 4-5 years.
Pascal is coming out in Q2 2016, If I'd have a budget like yours I would go for the Skylake platform + DDR4 RAM just for futureproofing, getting ready for Pascal. The 4790k is a great CPU, but if you have the money why not get the latest tech.
Personally I'd rather get a GTX 970/maybe 980 and just wait to see what NVIDIA has to offer in the future, if it's disappointing I could still slap in a second card in SLI and outperform the 980 Ti.
You could also get a better mobo, watercooling (never heard of that CPU cooler you have there). The Seagate Barracuda is average at best, WD is more reliable, also I'd go for an Intel/Samsung SSD.
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Batman AK is a hot mess anyway on both SLI and single card, cannot really judge by that game. Even if SLI has some problems at launch, it is usually fixed within a short time, you can use just one of the cards until then. Not saying that you should definitely get SLI, but it's good to have as an option.
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The next generation of NVIDIA GPUs, supposedly way way faster than the current-gen.
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Yeah, but both Nvidia and AMD always has to prepare special SLI / CrossFire profiles to smooth up framerate. Besides he stated that he want to play in higher than HD resolutions and in this case single GPU with 6 GB VRAM will be better than 2 GPUs with 4 Gb each.
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Yeah that's a good argument, when DX12 is out it will be possible to combine the VRAM of two GPUs simultaneously. For current games 4GB of VRAM should be enough at 2K.
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But both NVidia and Amd aren't 100% "DX12" ready. We will have to wait until at least new TR hit the market to evaulate if GPUs which are currently sold will have better performance / better multi-GPU management and so on. Or just new architectures will have better performance under new DX lead.
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Im kinda poor :)
I have many other expenses and I would sacrifice so much to buy anything right now >.<
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Pardon me for my lack of knowledge then, huge props to Poland for developing their own tech.
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When checking new hardware for PC the site I use is http://www.logicalincrements.com/, it's quite user friendly and easy to understand.
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If you cannot wait until the new generation is out, then it is about 70 W short of being safe (a 620 W should be enough).
Seagate HDDs are prone to failure… sometimes. It's somewhat of a gamble, but they can live for a decade if you got a good one.
If you want a system SSD, get a Samsung 850 EVO. It has no contest.
4790K over 4690K is a good pick, don't let other make you believe otherwise. ALl it has against itself that it costs too much compared to the 4690, but the hyper-threading alone may make a huge difference in everyday use if you like to keep many things open at once. They are right in one thing though: it has almost zero advantage in gaming.
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Looks overall like a nice build. You just need to implement the recommended changes. :)
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BTW: This dude has exactly same Case that I have :D
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Reading/writing to ram is extremly costly from cpu point of view (that's why there is so much cache on HEDT cpus).
In layman terms: from how many memory sticks data can be moved in one memory bus cycle - more data can be moved to cpu for processing. There are additional conditions that have to be met for it to work, but raw video encoding looks promising in that regard.
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Beyond upping the PSU and maybe changing the CPU to an i5 it looks all good. You might want to increase you the size of the at least the hard drive. I know some of the Seagate drive also are more prone to failure (the 3tb if I remember). All in all a good system. There are so many options that it is actually impossible to build the perfect system.
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Yea... Im looking for some Cyber Monday, but it wont probably happen... :(
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My only concern with your build is the PSU, but mostly because it's a brand I've never heard. It seems to have good reviews, though. But yeah, never cheap out on PSU 'cause if it malfunctions, it can take down the rest of the system. It's not even solely about the power rating, or the metal attached to the name. Always check out reviews.
Also, are you sure you want a bronze? It might be bad for your electric bill in the long run. A PC build this powerful would probably have a long life and lots of use so you might want to upgrade that to at least a gold.
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What is the most optimum material then?
And which brands are the most considerable?
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Basically, the better the metal, the more power-efficient it is. Everything 80+ has 80% efficiency, but the better the metal, the less required energy the PSU gets from the outlet.
According to wiki, Bronze is at least 82% efficient. Gold, for example is at least 87% efficient. So, if you're using 500W of power, the Bronze is actually grabbing approximately 610W of power from the wall, while Gold is grabbing about 575W. It adds up over years of use in your electric bill. Platinum/Titaniums are even better.
Also, I'm partial to Corsair and Cooler Master when it comes to power supply units. ^^
Edit: Fixed Gold wattage
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Ill try to find something better then. Thanks
Ill reply once again when Id find it
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Might be. Seasonic makes many psu's as OEM and for sure those are better then no-names. Still, I'd rather go for original as I have no knowledge if it's just rebranded design or completly new one (and what kind of compromises were made to strike a deal). This is pretty much only part I'm not going to skimp on.
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Corsair CS Series 650W Modular 80+ GOLD - CP-9020077-EU
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i would go with a good Corsair PSU or one of the few other decent reviewed brands, a poor or unstable PSU causes a lot of frustrating issues to pop up in a system, i would also look at a maybe getting a EVGA GTX-980ti i haven't had good luck with MSI over the years i would also consider getting a ASUS motherboard while i used to love gigabyte boards and used them exclusively they have really let me down in past years,ASUS is yet to fail me as long as its one of there higher end boards(like other brands there low end boards are crap)
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I will lower my standards ... from time to time (month to month :P )
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EDIT 11:30 pm:
Moved to new thread - for few fresh opinion and last touch :)
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