Listing on the Steam Community Market will have a hold of 15 days before an item can be sold
wth...
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hijacking you (sorry :-P)
reddit starting to send mails for gabe, all of you who wants to help change this ridicules thing here is the mail (and email address etc)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/48kbmt/an_email_to_gabe_regarding_15day_trade_holds/
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well, it still sucks since they are forcing everyone to get a sms phone and either ios/android or use a 3rd party app for the mobile thing...
but at least there's a solution and it's not that bad, i think.
i'd rather do all the steps they require than waiting 15 days. *facepalm*
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What solution is that? I'd like it for my alt accounts...
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Reading is fundamental.
Below are the changes that will take place on March 9th. If you are already protected by the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator (or if you add the security feature to your account today), the first two points below will not impact you:
Trade hold duration will be increased to 15 days (for long-time Steam friends the duration will remain 1 day)
Listing on the Steam Community Market will have a hold of 15 days before an item can be sold
Just in case it's still not clear to you...
IF YOU ARE ALREADY PROTECTED BY THE STEAM GUARD MOBILE AUTHENTICATOR (OR IF YOU ADD THE SECURITY FEATURE TO YOUR ACCOUNT TODAY), THE FIRST TWO POINTS BELOW WILL NOT IMPACT YOU
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thx for the info, makes me remember the
first jolly update (just 4 months ago ... )
... way to go these changes:
1st it was completely optional
2nd compulsive for those who used it willingly
3rd compulsive for everyone interested in insta trades
4th compulsive + furthermore restrictive
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So you list it on the market at once price, but it won't be listed for sale until 15 days later .... at that price?
Stupid Valve.
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So basically anyone without mobile authenticator (like me) will be completely crippled when it comes to using the market.
Seems legit to treat paying customers with different levels of privileges based on whether or not they use a smartphone.
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Not really completely crippled (there are computer softwares, as mentioned by other people, that can mimic the mobile authenticator)
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i have smartphone but decide to go with the alt and installed BlueStacks 2 and from there install Steam and i've been using authentication from there since they implemented and no problem at all.
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Honestly, I don't care and other people also shouldn't. While I'm thankfull to you for posting this info, I think that Valve is really f..ing with its customers. I won't use big words but this is a joke. I shouldn't be forced to use some android emulators because I don't have smartphone with required OS.
What will go next? Authentication by VR googles to boost sales?
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smartphone ? you only need to have a mobile with a phone number attributed to it no ?
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I think its a bit different. Market transactions are considered a "trade" of sorts. So theoretically, they would be listed normally, but once they are sold, you will not be credited the wallet money you get on sale for 15 days. Which actually makes things far far worse than before, as now you could be potentially stuck with keys sold on the market, but no money whatsoever. Not to mention how the person buying the item has to wait for 15 days too. Screwed up, this is.
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Thanks, but has there been any info posted to confirm this yet?
The news article says
Listing on the Steam Community Market will have a hold of 15 days before an item can be sold
I read it to mean it will be held 15 days, and then sold. This, along with what I've read on reddit, pretty much confirms that anyone without the authenticator will be all but shut out of selling on the community market ...
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Well, the wording makes it look like what you said, but it makes no practical sense at all. There is no way we can predict the market trend 15 days later. Not to mention, the whole market will be completely destroyed that way, thanks to really low/high listings showing up 15 days later.
As for actual confirmation, info is never released until actual launch of the system (As seen in the Escrow update, when we weren't sure if both sides are affected, irrespective of if they lose items).
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There is no way we can predict the market trend 15 days later.
Agreed, and I actually hope you're correct, but sadly, I don't think Valve cares about anyone not using their authenticator.
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Omg i hate that mobile guard. Entering codes every time i loggin ughh. Steam just got worse
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Well deactivated it and don't use steam for trade. Simple.
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+1
But I feel kinda bad complaining about it cause at least we don't have to wait 15 days ><...but I really hate putting this stupid code in for everything...
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Since then, we've seen lots of users adopting the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator (two-factor authentication) for trade and market confirmations, and now roughly 95% of daily trades use the mobile authenticator, with trade volumes as high as ever.
Because you're making doing otherwise too inconvenient you fucks
Trade holds are effective, but unfortunately the current three-day hold fails to protect users who log in less frequently and who need more time to identify a problem. So we'll be adjusting the system to accommodate the majority of customers by increasing trade holds to 15 days.
That's only going to make everyone who doesn't use the authenticator pissed.
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The hightlight is "with trade volumes as high as ever." They may as well add "So obviously you'll keep giving us money no matter what we do, you chumps."
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its still instant if u have the mobile authenticator, if u dont well then ur fucked
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Those restrictions are only if you don't use the mobile authenticator. If you do, there's no hold.
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Could be like me. No service where I live, so I never saw the point.
Pete, Id highly recommend TextNow. Thats what I use when something wants SMS verification.
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An emulator would be too much if you don't know about things technical and on top of that, it's overkill. Try WinAuth or the Reddit one(Mullins beat me to it, while I was typing that all out). Those would be simpler solutions and you wouldn't even have to use anything, but your computer. They also can import phone authentication files and import each others, so if you want to use multiple ones, you can.
Edit: If you need texting, use Google Voice (Works with any phone number to start it, if your country has it, but also gives you a phone number.) or Text Now (Gives you a phone number, but you have to keep it active).
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I couldn't even get WinAuth to work...it keeps giving an "No OAuth token in response" error after I enter the emailed new device code (and I've tried numerous times)...
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There is some talk about it in the comments, here. Basically try the other beta version first, 3.4.15 if you tried neither, or if you tried that one, try the one with the .net framework.
Personally I like the Reddit one better and it might be easier for you to set up. Either way, they can import each other.
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Yes it turns out I had to use the Win 8/10 version on Win 7 - well that's solved now thankfully :-)
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https://winauth.com/ beta has Steam trade confirmation support. No need to run a virtual machine. As long as one has a way to receive SMS (I use a free Google Voice account), it's possible to set up and carry on trading without a supported mobile OS.
Edit: Nevermind, supportive ninjas popped in all over this thread while I was writing.
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i can confirm that with BlueStacks u can do it without problem, i have smartphone but preffer using authentication on PC and it works just fine.
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you can use a 3rd party tool. https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3ug38r/
i can't make claims if it's safe but a lot of friends are using it and it works fine.
yes, it still needs a phone number, i think sms is required.
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if you have someone you can ask about this, you could tell them to receive the sms from valve. it's a one-time message so there's no need to keep bothering them. :3
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Be advised, though, that once a mobile authenticator is activated, if that authenticator is lost in any way (filesystem corruption, theft, etc.), the only way to regain access to Steam is by receiving another SMS message.
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there's also a recovery code you are given when you set up the mobile thing. :3
of course i don't know where i saved it. *facepalm*
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I saved my recovery code, and it didn't help me when I went through the process of recovering from my broken hard drive. Steam said, "Oi you, I don't know this computer with its new hard drive and fresh OS! Gimme a code from your authenticator!" (I couldn't do that, so I went to remove the authenticator from my account, and that required receiving an SMS. I thought there would be a special prompt for the recovery code, but it never came into play.) :x
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I remember back when I joined steam. I joined it cause of the deals, the options, the great trading scene, the beautiful mod scene. Everything you could ever want, just simply, flourished on steam. Now steam honestly has stolen away so much of why I liked it in the first place. And now it's just like, ugly. I don't enjoy using so many of their features now, I honestly don't even really spend cash on steam anymore. I do like having my games and steam's kind of nice. But steam as a service is becoming a disappointment to me, from what it once was. Steam and valve's video games, are pretty much becoming what valve and steam will be when gabe's not around.
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Listing on the Steam Community Market will have a hold of 15 days before an item can be sold
That's the fucking last straw right there. Fuck you, Valve.
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It has 15 days cooldown if you don't have the mobile guard on. Just activate it and you wont wait a single second....
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Yeah, just buy a mobile I can't afford, awesome. That will totally solve the problem for everyone. Neat.
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you could use the desktop app, but then again u would still need a phone number that can receieve sms
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Not true, all you need is wifi. The app generates the code and pops it up, steam doesn't text you. I just have it on my phone but it sounds like you could use an emulator and completely circumvent the phone
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what? the mobile app does not generate a code, u need to link a phone that can receieve SMS before u can even attach the authenticator onto it, and if u mean getting the code to log onto ur account after the authenticator is attach u dont even need wifi for that since it matches onto ur local clock time
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Maybe that's a step I don't remember doing. My mistake
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There's already a desktop kind of emulator that allows you to download the app from the android store. I can't remember the name correctly but a quick google search might get you there.
There's alternatives =)
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ArchiBot also has 2FA function, you know. All you need is a phone capable of receiving SMS ;)
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its still instant if u have the mobile authenticator, if u dont well then ur fucked
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aye. At this point traders will refuse to trade with anyone who doesn't have mobile authentication. That's wonderful. And I don't get this market bullshit either. like, seriously. WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS.
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It wont affect any active trader. At current day pretty much no one would trade with someone without the mobile guard because of the 3 days cooldown. Steam just increased it because even after months there's still people who don't have the mobile guard active and still don't care. As said above anyone who trades daily wont give a flying fuck.
I actually prefer the mobile guard over the email confirmation. I can log on in any device/network and wont need to wait 7days before needing to trade/sell stuff on that computer/network. Its for the best
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Steam Support will no longer restore items that have left accounts following a successful trade or market transaction (a process that previously created duplicates of original items)
So...no more help with restoring items lost in scams involving even trade windows?
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Sounds harsh but it is not steams fault that someone gets scammed.
If you are signing a contract to sell your car for 1$ it is your fault not the one who is providing the market.
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But bot scammers keep adding me, Volvo pls your restrictions not even help.
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I cant even go to the mobile crap since i still got a win 8.1 phone with no steam application.(Except custom ones i guess)
Kappa
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Arent those emulators eats half of ur CPU and RAM ?
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I dont realy know. I found Bluestacks alright but its not like you can shut it down after authenticating and if you are massivly trading you dont need much RAM or CPU for other things.
As I learned in this thread there are also better alternatives.
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Are you kidding me? I have LOTS of troubles with traders only with 72 hours of waiting, but 15 fucking days?
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Seriously, i've only done a couple of 3 day trades and they were... pretty rough. But 15 days? GG, no more trading for me I guess.
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Yeah that's horrible...just horrible, I don't understand why they still keep the trading if it's pretty much clear they want to kill it.
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I can't use the damned authenticator because I don't have a phone that can get SMS messages and apparently that's the only way to activate the fucking thing. Hey, Steam? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO SELL SHIT ON THE MARKET TO BUY YOUR FUCKING GAMES CAN'T AFFORD A FUCKING CELLPHONE?
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+1 I guess their excessive use of smartphones took away all their intelligence....
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Almost same situation as you... No cell service where I live and no smartphone/tablet/whatever to use the app. If you can, try downloading WinAuth and having a friend take the activation text for you (or download TextNow or something similar with Bluestacks). As far as I know, the text is a once only thing.
Fucking sucks though. I was more or less fine with it just being trades but market holds are a bit too far...
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I'm not trying to be a shit here, honestly. This is a serious question asked with pure curiosity.
If you need to sell shit on the market to buy their fucking games, and can't afford a cell phone, how do you have a computer on which to play the fucking games you buy?
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Ebay. After my old computer kicked the bucket sometime last year I saved up for a while and managed to nab a halfway decent computer for about ninety bucks. (Had to use a family member's computer to actually sign in and buy it x_x) It's not built for gaming, but most of the games I get don't require much. (Unless I underestimate them... Abyss Odyssey, I'm looking at you)
And it's a one time cost unlike a cell phone that would be a repeating service bill, and I have no reason to own a cell phone except for, well, Steam messaging me.
I'm not dead broke but I'm not quite at the point where I can just buy games, cell phones, whatever without really considering it first. It didn't really deserve all that swearing, but dammit Steam.
I did eventually cool down and figure out how to get the thing set up and activated without needing a phone, so now I just look like a fool I guess.
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Thanks for answering the question in the spirit in which it was asked. I appreciate it. I understand better, now, which is all I was hoping for.
And don't worry about the swearing. It's one of my favorite forms of communication among friends. ;)
Glad you've got it set up without a phone! Honestly, if I was in your shoes, I could definitely see how upset I would be about it...
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What the fuck?
Why do they have all these restrictions, do they even help? Scammers are just s abundant as always so why is valve fucking over everyone without android or an Iphone?
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Way to put the screws in, Valve! So... basically any time I want to trade cards, with somebody new for something I have, we both have to wait over two weeks for this complete retardation.....
I think if somebody has had a problem in the past with trades, then maybe put some rules up, but if you've had a clean account for years, then there is no reason to push people into getting authenticators.
Not everyone can afford a dumb phone, nor do people like myself want one even if I could... I use a computer script now with a basic cellphone in order to get a computer version, which is really annoying and lame. It is a waste of time to have to put in a stupid confirmation password in every time, and copy/paste these damn numbers if I want to sign into things through Steam... Having a secure email with steamguard running should be plenty enough protection for the average idiot, like myself.
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Clean accounts can be easily bought for little money so this is just a small indicator to find scammers.
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That's really not the point. Punishing the masses that have legitimate clean accounts for the few bad apples just makes everything worse. Everyone breaks laws who wants to. It only hurts the innocent people who try to follow them.
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Thats what security and safety measurements are for. Just like in the real world.
That is also why you lock your door. If you dont do it the insurance company wont pay if you get robbed.
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I haven't been robbed though... I have a choice on whether or not to lock my door. I don't need insurance nor do I want it. It's my valuables, so maybe if I don't care whether or not they get stolen, so I choose not to lock my door. If people started to steal my things though, I might decide to lock my door after the fact, or seek insurance. The penalty should be solely on me if something is taken - all the insurance stuff is a pyramid scheme anyway, but I am off the subject. They are totally different things, since nobody has stolen things from me in either scenerio. People should just be careful on Steam, and if they lose out, too bad so sad. No reason to force people to do something against their will then penalize people who can't afford or don't want to "buy in" to the bullshit.
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Hm you are right about the insurance thing even though we have some laws in germany that say that you have to lock you car otherwise you can get fined 10€ (actual law - not an insurance thing). Police here isnt allowed to use (car) honeypots either
They don't realy force you because they basicly can't force you to use their services plus there is a workaround with android and iOS emulators for your computer.
EDIT : Seems like an emulator is even an overkill as there is some authenticator software for windows around.
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Yep, I use one for Windows, but still, if I trade with somebody else that doesn't have authentication, I have to wait... which is annoying if I've never traded with them, or even if I have. The problem then is... If I don't trust them, or they are new or don't have much rep, I have to wait for their card trades to clear before I can give them whatever I was trading for. If I figured, hey, what the heck, they seem okay, I'll send them the key, they can then yank the trade out from under me, so it forces a lot of innocent people to wait unnecessarily, and could backfire on people that would want to use the authenticator for whatever reason...
That's probably what I'm most upset about. Being penalized for using it anyway... Of course, I would not use anything if the stupid escrow thing wasn't mandated, since the whole thing is a waste of time for nothing I think. I've done fine with just email, and even then, I've never ever had any problems that went beyond that. Not like I use the same password for Steam and email. That would not make much sense to me. Would waive my rights to the replacing anything in my account in a heartbeat in order to bypass all the braindead garbage being created lately from Valve. I usually have a lot that could be stolen too, so I guess that's saying a lot. Not nearly as much as a lot of people, but still good amounts of valuables in my inventory.
I would like to have a choice to waive my rights to compensation in exchange for immunity from this dumb rule.... that is basically what would be an ideal solution for me personally. I understand they don't want to reimburse items that are hijacked, or deal with other types of scams that people use to take advantage of Valve, but it'd be great to have a choice to waive the time penalty somehow, since I have to wait anyway, even using stupid authentication myself...
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You still have some choices :
- Stop trading with non authenticator users (probably the best)
- Stop trading in general
or ( Ultima ratio) - Vote with your money -> Stop using Steam at all (this also shows them that you dont accept their way of going)
I understand your frustration but It wont work that way. Valve is a big company and they have to take care of the mass of users and not for a small percentage.
Big companys almost always care for the masses to get a decent profit. I also would'nt consider 2 factor as "braindead garbage" since it gives you a huge amount of security.
If you somehow manage to get a keylogger on you system nobody cares about different password for different accounts.
Edit : I'm not using the authenticator but probably will in a week. (Not because I trade so much but because I have a smart device now)
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There are choices, but unfortunately there are consequences that go with it that are pretty unnecessary. It's a shame I will have to wait over two weeks for something that could have happened in two minutes or less in many cases... I guess there are a lot of kids that get in trouble, or seriously unlucky people.. but even then, most of that lack of luck comes from other choices that were made along the way (to check certain sites, download certain things online, etc.).
The app is not purely garbage itself, but when people are penalized for not using it, instead of rewarded for using it, that I have a problem with. It's a nasty tactic to pigeonhole people into using something to avoid a consequence they would otherwise not have to worry about, were it not for the bright idea of creating such a system... It's obvious Valve doesn't care about its customers and money is the bottom line, so when things are done in a complely idiotic way such as this - when obviously most people are against it, I consider that tactic "braindead garbage". That's sort of what I meant, and not the authentication idea itself...
My email will alert me if it has been activated from an unknown source, and I will then use a backup email to renew my old email password, or cell phone. So, a keylogger would not really do much good, in the very low chance that I would ever pick something like that up.... If I scan regularly and watch out what I am downloading, there should be no reason for me to ever have something like that on my system. In the freak chance it happened, I don't think it would amount to very much of a problem though, overall. I have authentication on my email, just like with Steam. But my email doesn't force it on me, or make me have to wait 15 days for the recipient of my email to wait before it gets to them if I choose not to authenticate with another device. If that happened the email service would probably lose all its business.
Since people already have huge amounts invested in Steam, there is little choice but to comply, or suffer. Unfortunately even complying is suffering, since not everyone will go along with the masquerade, but maybe things will change... I was thinking the change would be the other way, but it turns out I was wrong. At any rate, I'd rather have a small chance at suffering a loss, and take my chances, since I have never been affected by anything that compromised my Steam account... than have to suffer over and over again because of the discrimination over who can trade instantly, and who cannot. I think I would have to work kind of hard at doing the wrong sorts of things online to even remotely have a chance at my Steam account being compromised.
I totally understand where you are coming from though - but yeah, that's just how I feel about it. A lot of needlessly wasted time in the future. I am very patient, but others whom I will be trading with may not understand , when I have to make them wait 15 days because of Valve. I guess if they don't want to wait, then they can do what I did, and "take up the mark", so to speak. People that don't use authentication will be inevitably unable to trade at all pretty soon if this keeps up though... Most people will take your first option in choices. I will keep trading, and I will just have to wait when somebody else doesn't use authentication... Just because Steam wants to profile people does not mean I will....
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when obviously most people are against it ...
So thats the problem though because appearently 95% of the people voted for yes as they use the authenticator. People who disagree with the authenticator should not have used it in the first place. If you would not have used it the past time you could say that you atleast tried to avoid it.
It's obvious Valve doesn't care about its customers and money is the bottom line...
But then some act exactly like big companies Valve by wanting to get fast trading which means fast profit and those traders more or less forced it. And again the customers (in both cases) fell for it.
If I scan regularly and watch out what I am downloading, there should be no reason for me to ever have something like that on my
system.
If you have JavaScript enabled in your browser you have to be very carefull. Also anti virus software does not prevent getting infected as they only work retroactively. And if you use your backup mail on the infected computer it is gone too. Also before you noticed that someone had access to your mail all your items can be gone.
True 2 factor (mail or steam) is the only thing that could save your inventory there.
I dislike that we dont realy pay for games but for licences to play said games which means if they would go bankrupt all our 1k+ games are gone. But that doesnt stop me from using steam because I believe that it wont go bankrupt.
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I am in agreement with all your points... It is just an unfortunate thing. I guess as far as javascript, one almost has to have that to really do much on the internet... I don't use my backup mail aside from a protection, and I would access it from another device to attempt to get my old info reset, but it could potentially turn into quite a nightmare, and definitely there is no guarantees of recovring anything in the worst case scenerio. If something becomes compromised, it probably would be too late if it got serious enough quickly enough. They have to move fast before they are found out, so one would not have much time if things got critical... Definitely would hope the phone would be enough as far as my email recovery goes, but trojans and worms and keyloggers and the like get more and more complex and difficult to get rid of... The anti stuff has to know it is a threat in the first place for it to recognize it. If it were the first ever case ever, how would it even pick it up?
I like the 2 factor and support it in certain ways, like having it on my email, but I guess I just don't agree with the penalizing of others. I suppose like you are saying, that over time it is in Valve's best interest to do something to try to encourage more safety so they don't have to keep creating more duplicate items from the stolen stuff, which obviously had to be paid for, so they're taking a loss - multiplied by however many cases it's happened over time. I can't even begin to imagine how much the expenses would be from that standpoint, but it's understandable.
Yeah, and I've often wondered about your last comment. We don't actually "own" anything fully that is on Steam. They could pull the plug at any time, and we would have nothing to show for it - I'm guessing some of the humble stuff has downloadable stuff, and I'm not sure if that would still be accessible, but I am agreed too on Steam usage - it will not go bankrupt any time soon, that's for sure. I'm not too worried about that. The new moves might even strengthen Valve and protect their interests beyond the scope of my simple dislike of the "new rules" with trades. For me it is simply an annoyance, but for a big company it can save them gigantic amounts of money over the long haul having stricter regulations to prevent theft, scams, and the like.
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what's the point to have the authenticator in the same Steam app on smartphone?
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Right, time for the mass exodus. I haven't put a cent into Valve since they started locking everything. Their attempts to kill anything that 'costs them money' (because you know people only won't pay their higher prices because they don't want to give Valve money, and not because they don't want to be fucking ripped off), and this bullshit is just making things worse.
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Same. I've gotten rather disgusted with valve as of late, I refuse to purchase goods now. I don't even know how long its been since i've bought a steam card. But until things go back to once they were, I refuse to support this service financially.
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Pretty much. Last thing I bought on steam was DDDA .. after selling dota 2 items but now with the 15days hold( I just dont want to deal with yet another security feature , at least if I fuck up I know that I'm only one to blame) I doubt I will even use the market. Well.. at least there is still HB and GOG for games :D
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More info here
Below are the changes that will take place on March 9th. If you are already protected by the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator (or if you add the security feature to your account today), the first two points below will not impact you:
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