It's better to be private since your quarrel with someone else has got nothing to everybody.
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What other said. Also, if you want to know why you've been blacklisted, in most cases I think it's because you broke the rules. If you don't know why, you can still try to add the person who blacklisted you and ask him/her the reason.
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Blacklists are better off hidden. That way whoever you blacklist won't come annoy you over it. Plus your quarrels with other SG members remains your own.
I'd like a reason field too so I wouldn't have to write those in a separage Google spreadsheet.
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I think it would be nice to know what giveaways you have no chance of winning, and why whatever user decided they don't like you. I honestly wish I could say that I haven't done anything wrong and this doesn't affect me, but as I was stupid and regifted I am on many of these lists. (enough about my stupidity)
@OP - This would be interesting, but may be something the dev's don't feel is worth adding to the site.
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It has stopped mattering to me really, I plan to read every rule if I am unsure of something now anyway. I believe that the two week ban is enough of a repercussion for most people, and blacklisting people who broke the rules and plan not to do so again I feel goes against the main point of this site; people who don't change or have unsavory behavior should be taught though. If there is going to be a gaggle of stuck-up elitists who decide who gets to partake in their "generosity" or not simply because of one bad day or action then I may just have to re-consider joining this site.
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Some "stuck up elitists" just want to see their games going to good homes and people who actually want them, rather than idiots who blindly enter every giveaway going without considering whether they want the games.
It's not about the rules per se. On Steamgifts, as in wider society IMO, it's as much about doing the decent thing. In the main, the rules simply provide a framework for those unable to do the right thing of their own volition.
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+1, i agree with every point you have said, I just believe that many users who have been temporarily banned have had their wake up call, and have been penalized enough.
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Think about those people who would like their blacklist viewable. also, as I said, I'd like this feature optional, so it would be not mandatory like it is now.
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Public BlackList (not by definition, triggered) would be nice for puzzlemakers, as they could post them in Puzzle topics so none blacklisted user solves whole puzzle for nothing.
As for details for blacklisting it's double edged sword - on one hand someone may know instantly why he's blacklisted, on the other hand I can already see all the calling-out whiny topics "User XYZ BlackListed me becayse of ZYX! It's unfair! Pls bann him!".
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Well, the whining problem was actual even on SG1.0, you just have to ignore some people.
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This is a good point. Hadn't been able think of a reason to make blacklists public. I guess you could still maintain a separate document, as was common in SGv1. It is an extra administrative hassle for you, but I don't see cg making blacklists public.
That said, if rulebreakers go through the trouble of solving your puzzle only to find they can't enter, will it really bother you? You're a better man than I, zelg.
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Blacklist:
"Game: X
Error: You cannot view this raffle because you're blacklisted by the raffle creator"
Not a word about who's the raffle creator though.
Whitelist:
It simply redirects you to main page without any message. At least it was that way yesterday.
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Don't see any problem with making the blacklists public (after all, it was always that way).
Not sure the idea of giving reasons WHY people are on it is going to do anyone any favours though. As others have said, this should remain between that user and the blacklister.
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Except that we differ in that I don't believe there should even be an option to add a description, as IMHO it will only cause rancor, and is just another version of "calling out".
:)
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ooooooh, I can already see all the possible blacklisting reasons:
doesn't like llamas
has given away Monday Night Combat on Thursday
name starts with K
claims he likes llamas, but I suspect he doesn't
GIBE ME FRE GAEMS OR DONT REMOVE FROM BLACKLIST !!!1
is illuminti
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I know, right, it's really great! Glad you see it my way too.
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INB4 "Y U BLOKCLIST MEH!!! IMMA GUD GUY I WISHED YOU A CANCER BUT I WAS JOKING U RE SO IMMATURE REPORTED !"
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Just curious how it works, for example if someone has me on the blacklist and I go to their profile and see a public giveaway I can enter the giveaway but not participate on it? If I find a private giveaway url I can enter the giveaway but not participate on it?
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Ahap, I see, so I will be able to see them only on their profile, but won't be able to enter. And eventually find a link to the private giveaway which will provide a message saying I can't enter or something like that.
EDIT: Probably something similar to this:
Error
You do not have permission to view this giveaway, since you're not a member of the giveaway creator's whitelist.
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I am all in favour of good old fashioned witch hunt but too often they lead to chaos and chaos is HERESY!
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1) Yes, but only if it's optional.
2) Yes, this would be great.
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Even there is description field which is can be used to write down notes the reason of someone's blacklist
I don't think it's a good idea, well.... u know...
Jealous hater naughty kid can write down "whatever" notes the reason they blacklist someone, it can be a rude joke, ridiculous comments, saying lies, and so on which hurts other SG Members
Lets say an example (Just example anyway don't be angry to me :DDD bwahahaha)
Let's say I blacklist SG member Already1taken --- (Just example though, don't be so serious :DDD)
.
SG Members : DrawRenjer
Blacklist : Already1taken
Reason : Thief --- (In the matter of fact u never steal anything from me)
.
SG Members : Already1taken
Blacklist : DrawRenjer
Reason : Thief --- (In the matter of fact I never steal anything from u)
.
And both this 2 SG Members publish their blacklist + the lies story, and everyone on SG just read that.
So what do u think ?
So...so.. so.... let the blacklist has no comment field
And...
Anyway we already have (*plinter Cell) Blacklist is something (game) for public
so no need another (forum member) blacklist to be made (for) public
(^^)
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tl;dr
Like I said, blacklist reason, in case it will be implemented, should be viewable solely by the person who got blacklisted and the blacklist creator, those 2 guys.
And if you don't like the reason why you got blacklisted, you feel offended, you think it's unfair et cetera, then blacklist the fucker, report your hurt feelings to the closest person IRL who cares (not on SG forum, though) and move along.
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Voting for public blacklists. Since the person has a right to add me to his blacklist, I have a right to see it.
Not really for complaing about his decision, he can always block me actually. Just for myself and the chances for people I like.
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I think making it viewable by the blacklisted party should be good enough. Making it viewable to the public just seems like you want a way to publicly shame someone without violating the "no calling out someone" rule. The part that really confuses me is that while you want this to be public, you want it all to be hidden from the Mods. That right there raises so many red flags that it's impossible to take this seriously.
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Quit smoking that shit, it makes your brain all jelly.
I think making it viewable by the blacklisted party should be good enough.
It has been already implemented - you receive "you can't go here, you're blacklisted"-error and you can log out off SG and check the same link to see GA creator.
"Not viewable by mods" was only "private note with blacklist reason viewable solely by GA creator and blacklisted person".
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Eh pointless, and I understand your point OP buut this still would be only stirring up a lot of drama
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Its a fuckin google image search page, sherlock -.-
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Or a moron who cannot attach pics and instead links google image search pages.
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If you can't handle it, then leave it private for noone to see.
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At least it will happen smooth and fast and not like now, when you have to manually check someone's raffles to see if you are blacklisted by this guy or not.
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The title pretty much says it all, but I'll elaborate:
1) Make an option to make your own blacklist viewable by everyone (or to left it private like it is now). Old SG blacklists, due to their nature, were available for everyone who opened the raffle. Note "an option", so people could leave it private if they don't like it.
2) Make an optional description field with the reason why the user got blacklisted. And, since it shouldn't be "calling out", it of course should be viewable solely by the person who got blacklisted and the blacklist creator (and not viewable by mods, treat it like a personal message).
P.S. Due to unique link SG gave me for this thread, I'd like to dedicate this thread to actress Candy and her movie "Bite".
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