Oh know I remember! Yeah, hard to admit that dude is from my country ;/ I belive everyone can have own opinion but if it'sunpopular we should try to talk in civilised maner or, if needed, just don't engage in disscussion at all. Still, konradek was a special flower :P
Ah Rainbow Warriors, apparently named after the first ship owned by Greenpeace. They were featured in the very first edition of 40k, but seem to have been phased out.
Yeah, they appeared in the Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader rule book which I still have around here somewhere. I think there was an earlier version of the rules of sorts but it didn't bear the WH40k name.
There was a lot more black humour and satire in the game back then before it got quite so grimdark. The name was almost certainly a reference to the Greenpeace ship, the sinking of which was a big controversy at the time - although the illustration showed the chapter with what looked like an Aztec theme.
The Rainbow Warriors weren't mentioned again in later editions as far as I know, although I seem to recall that official artwork from the era appeared to suggest that they were a chapter purged by the sororitas/inquisition for an unspecified genetic taint.
They would still show up in some charts showing chapter affiliations, and there was a painted one in the 5th edition codex, on the pages showcasing the colours of the different chapters.
I've never heard of an earlier rule set than RT for 40k, but there were models that pre-dates RT. That's why there were eldar that had "space elf" written on the piece that slots into the base. GW did make generic models back then though, and certain rules in RT were built around the existing models, rather than the other way around (they even make mentions of this).
I did not play 40k back when RT was released. My first experience was 3rd edition, but I did enjoy reading the RT rulebook. That game does suffer from many of the same issues that early Shadowrun though. They were throwing everything they thought were cool at the wall, in the hope that something would stick. A lot of things worked surprisingly well, but the universe was not very coherent. Also, apparently the artists did not know what to make of the space marine "backpacks", as there is a picture from the era showing Imperial Guardsmen using them as jump packs (in the WD that introduces the Imperial Guards army list)
also, if I'm allowed to be nitpicky, you got the chapter symbol wrong, as seen here
I didn't realise that one was featured in the 5th edition codex!
I had older relatives who played fantasy battle and I was just about old enough to be wanting to get into gaming when the 40k stuff started appearing - so I started collecting that rather than trying to compete with people who already had huge armies. From when I got into the game and as I grew up near where GW are based and ended up knowing people who worked for GW in the 80s I have seen a lot of weird early stuff!
'Laserburn' was arguably an earlier version of WH40k, or at least something that was incorporated into WH40k. I've also seen a few copies of wargaming rules featuring the pre-Rogue Trader minis that didn't mention 'Warhammer' by name but I'm uncertain of their origins or how widely they were intended to be distributed.
I was also a big Shadowrun fan and I certainly know what you mean - but I think the same can be said of a lot of franchises from the time! As far as I remember the backpack / jump pack issue was only really clarified when the epic scale Space Marine box set came out which had a rule book with lots of artwork of assault troops with actual jump packs.
I'm going pretty far back though and I'm suddenly realising how bad my memory actually is!
Not sure if you were serious or not - but the marine features the symbol and 'hair' of a My Little Pony called Rainbow Dash!
I was not really serious, I fully expected you to know that that was not the "official" symbol.
And I never knew that Laserburn was (distantly) related to 40k. The game is still in print, and I thought it was an entirely different game, but apparently it was made by the same person who created the original Warhammer ruleset.
GW had several different wargaming/skirmish rulesets in the 80's, some of which were based on other licences (like Judge Dredd), and some of those minis were used in really early 40k as well (the ones without any obvious licencing issues). They also had some Mad-max inspired car combat game that they even gave out for free for a while on their website (they've since scrubbed all traces of their previous free offerings).
Shadowrun and 40k are often used as some of "worst" examples of throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, outside of some of the secondary D&D settings (like Spelljammer). I can personally not think of any setting that's more "out there" (but then again, I'm looking at things in retrospect, while my introduction to RPGs & Wargames was through the 80's stuff, I did not get into it until the mid 90's)
Laserburn isn't the same game as WH40k but the line gets a bit blurry. Laserburn introduced bolt guns, dreadnaughts and many other WH40k concepts. Early GW sci-fi models that appeared to have been made to be compatible with Laserburn were later recycled for Rogue Trader and helped shape the games lore. And then of course there was the Bryan Ansell link.
As well as its own rules if you go far enough back GW hadn't even gone 'solo' and happily sold and promoted other companies games - and also made minis that could be used with a variety of rules. Which added to the confusion, as well as the fact that everyone was 'borrowing' ideas from the 2000 AD comic!
Not sure about the Mad Max game. There was Car Wars by Steve Jackson Games which was really fun, then GW made their own version called Battlecars which wasn't fun and sank without trace. Then about the time of Rogue Trader GW launched Dark Future which I'd say was OK but had far better lore and fiction than rules as a game! It didn't last long but like Necromunda it was fondly remembered and I'd say that is most likely the one that ended up free on the website.
Personally I always though Rifts was the worst example of throwing everything at a wall and seeing what stuck, and I enjoyed Spelljammer even if it was a bit silly! I know what you are saying though!
wow, konrad would love this chapter :3
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I think I see you mentioning this name for second or third time. Who is that dude? if it's okay to ask, of course
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go to the us-marriage thread and you will see. :3
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Are we talking about infamous, now closed thread that happened before my arrival on this site? I don't know If I'm brave enough to experience it :P
Still, thank you for your answer ;)
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he's been spreading hate in other threads too. at least we had some fun in "Religious games on Steam".
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Oh know I remember! Yeah, hard to admit that dude is from my country ;/ I belive everyone can have own opinion but if it'sunpopular we should try to talk in civilised maner or, if needed, just don't engage in disscussion at all. Still, konradek was a special flower :P
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Ah Rainbow Warriors, apparently named after the first ship owned by Greenpeace. They were featured in the very first edition of 40k, but seem to have been phased out.
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Yeah, they appeared in the Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader rule book which I still have around here somewhere. I think there was an earlier version of the rules of sorts but it didn't bear the WH40k name.
There was a lot more black humour and satire in the game back then before it got quite so grimdark. The name was almost certainly a reference to the Greenpeace ship, the sinking of which was a big controversy at the time - although the illustration showed the chapter with what looked like an Aztec theme.
The Rainbow Warriors weren't mentioned again in later editions as far as I know, although I seem to recall that official artwork from the era appeared to suggest that they were a chapter purged by the sororitas/inquisition for an unspecified genetic taint.
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They would still show up in some charts showing chapter affiliations, and there was a painted one in the 5th edition codex, on the pages showcasing the colours of the different chapters.
I've never heard of an earlier rule set than RT for 40k, but there were models that pre-dates RT. That's why there were eldar that had "space elf" written on the piece that slots into the base. GW did make generic models back then though, and certain rules in RT were built around the existing models, rather than the other way around (they even make mentions of this).
I did not play 40k back when RT was released. My first experience was 3rd edition, but I did enjoy reading the RT rulebook. That game does suffer from many of the same issues that early Shadowrun though. They were throwing everything they thought were cool at the wall, in the hope that something would stick. A lot of things worked surprisingly well, but the universe was not very coherent. Also, apparently the artists did not know what to make of the space marine "backpacks", as there is a picture from the era showing Imperial Guardsmen using them as jump packs (in the WD that introduces the Imperial Guards army list)
also, if I'm allowed to be nitpicky, you got the chapter symbol wrong, as seen here
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I didn't realise that one was featured in the 5th edition codex!
I had older relatives who played fantasy battle and I was just about old enough to be wanting to get into gaming when the 40k stuff started appearing - so I started collecting that rather than trying to compete with people who already had huge armies. From when I got into the game and as I grew up near where GW are based and ended up knowing people who worked for GW in the 80s I have seen a lot of weird early stuff!
'Laserburn' was arguably an earlier version of WH40k, or at least something that was incorporated into WH40k. I've also seen a few copies of wargaming rules featuring the pre-Rogue Trader minis that didn't mention 'Warhammer' by name but I'm uncertain of their origins or how widely they were intended to be distributed.
I was also a big Shadowrun fan and I certainly know what you mean - but I think the same can be said of a lot of franchises from the time! As far as I remember the backpack / jump pack issue was only really clarified when the epic scale Space Marine box set came out which had a rule book with lots of artwork of assault troops with actual jump packs.
I'm going pretty far back though and I'm suddenly realising how bad my memory actually is!
Not sure if you were serious or not - but the marine features the symbol and 'hair' of a My Little Pony called Rainbow Dash!
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I was not really serious, I fully expected you to know that that was not the "official" symbol.
And I never knew that Laserburn was (distantly) related to 40k. The game is still in print, and I thought it was an entirely different game, but apparently it was made by the same person who created the original Warhammer ruleset.
GW had several different wargaming/skirmish rulesets in the 80's, some of which were based on other licences (like Judge Dredd), and some of those minis were used in really early 40k as well (the ones without any obvious licencing issues). They also had some Mad-max inspired car combat game that they even gave out for free for a while on their website (they've since scrubbed all traces of their previous free offerings).
Shadowrun and 40k are often used as some of "worst" examples of throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, outside of some of the secondary D&D settings (like Spelljammer). I can personally not think of any setting that's more "out there" (but then again, I'm looking at things in retrospect, while my introduction to RPGs & Wargames was through the 80's stuff, I did not get into it until the mid 90's)
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Laserburn isn't the same game as WH40k but the line gets a bit blurry. Laserburn introduced bolt guns, dreadnaughts and many other WH40k concepts. Early GW sci-fi models that appeared to have been made to be compatible with Laserburn were later recycled for Rogue Trader and helped shape the games lore. And then of course there was the Bryan Ansell link.
As well as its own rules if you go far enough back GW hadn't even gone 'solo' and happily sold and promoted other companies games - and also made minis that could be used with a variety of rules. Which added to the confusion, as well as the fact that everyone was 'borrowing' ideas from the 2000 AD comic!
Not sure about the Mad Max game. There was Car Wars by Steve Jackson Games which was really fun, then GW made their own version called Battlecars which wasn't fun and sank without trace. Then about the time of Rogue Trader GW launched Dark Future which I'd say was OK but had far better lore and fiction than rules as a game! It didn't last long but like Necromunda it was fondly remembered and I'd say that is most likely the one that ended up free on the website.
Personally I always though Rifts was the worst example of throwing everything at a wall and seeing what stuck, and I enjoyed Spelljammer even if it was a bit silly! I know what you are saying though!
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thanks for sending the game
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Congrats and stay lucky!
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