What is your opinion on commenting on giveaways?
They don't matter.
That being said, it's nice to see when someone puts something thoughtful in there.
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I agree. Unfortunately, I don't think many do. At the risk of betraying my bias in this issue, I think it would be more productive for users who aren't using their giveaway description for anything to pose a topic of discussion for people to talk about in the giveaway comments section. Not only would this encourage healthier interactions among the community, increase activity on the site, and help promote certain giveaways with interesting topics; but it would also give some purpose, value, and direction to the giveaway comments section. At this time, it seems rather pointless and it concerns me that it's doing the site more harm than good.
I doubt this would be implemented, but perhaps SteamGifts could require giveaway creators to type in a "topic of discussion" for people to discuss in the comments section. I'm not sure how happy contributors would be with this added requirement, however, and many may be dissuaded from giving away due to it taking longer, or they may simply ignore the requirement and fill in nonsense to allow them to post the giveaway.
A person can dream, though, I suppose.
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Now this would be interesting... I wonder if they would delete your giveaway if you try to do this now and ask people to answer a simple question or discuss something in order to be able to win it
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I don't see why they would delete giveaways which attempt to utilize the comments section of the giveaway. Why would they?
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I've recently started putting some actual effort into the descriptions of my GAs and it really kinda shits me when people obviously pay no attention...I mean, I've had a couple of people comment on the description, even if it's only to remark in a WTF fashion to a freaky gif I may add, but it's as rare as hen's teeth that people respond to what I've typed in there...
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For what it's worth, I do try to participate in the giveaway comments when a worthwhile topic or question is posed, RowdyOne, or when I think I could comment something which could help the contributor.
If I ever come across one of your giveaways and I'm interested in becoming an entrant, I'll definitely read your description and respond if I believe it's appropriate to do so.
Here are some examples of comments I've made on public giveaways (I usually always comment on whitelist giveaways):
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This. I only comment when I have something good to say or if the game being given is a special one to me.
On the GA I make, I only reply to meaningful comments, otherwise I just post a generic "You're all welcome".
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Well, for me is really nice when I create a giveaway and people leave comments, true, they all just copypaste, but still worth it.
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I'm with you, mate, and find the jaded perspective of certain veterans to be distasteful. Even if the comment is copy-pasted, at least it's an expression of courtesy. I'd much sooner see people typing a simple "thanks" than the random smattering of vitriol and nonsense you find in YouTube or Reddit posts. Sure, most are likely insincere, but at least they're taking the time (if only seconds) out of their day to display some modicum of respect for the sponsor's generosity.
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Not all comments are copy-pasted.
TBH, if I can't be bothered to type something to say thanks, I shouldn't be entering the giveaway.
The wording of the OP's answers seem a bit odd. Nobody is suggesting that thanking the gifter is a "valuable contribution to the SteamGifts community", but it may be of personal value to the person giving away the game.
Still, each to their own :)
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Well, I meant it to be as it is stated: a valuable contribution to the SteamGifts community, not just the contributor. Perhaps that betrays my bias, though, and I probably should have added another option of "They may not be valuable contributions, but they are meaningful to me." Unfortunately, I can't edit polls.
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As you say, I think it betrays your bias, as you've set up a straw man.
You're thanking (or failing to thank) the gifter for giving you a chance of winning the game, and that has nothing at all to do with making a valuable contribution to the community.
If your "thanking is pointless" answer read "Why should I bother thanking - I deserve to have people making giveaways for me to win" instead of "They're pointless; all people use them for is to copypaste the same "thanks" or to call out fake giveaways.", you'd find that not many people would tick the box although ultimately it's a vote for the same action.
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Well, the first implies a sort of selfish bent to forsake commentating and courtesy in favor of accruing undeserved games; whereas the second implies a criticism of the current use of the comment section in giveaways. They are not the same action because they are done for different purposes. I'd consider a simple "thank you" as noncontributory because it offers nothing of value to the community. It may be valuable to the contributor, but the contributor is a constituent—and not a majority shareholder—of the community.
The entire function of giveaways is to give away games. By virtue of being a giveaway, its intended purpose is to give entrants a chance to win that which is being given away. If you omit the negative connotations of entering into a giveaway because one wishes to win it, it would seem like an obvious and banal observation. Of course that's what I, and I can guarantee just about everyone else, want to do: win that which is being given away in the giveaway.
If we're talking about fallacies, that would be one of misrepresentation and strawman by yourself.
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Duh. That was my point ¬_¬
I deliberately set up a strawman to match yours.
It's easy to do.
If you want to do a meaningful survey you're better off not presuming to judge people's motives by making leading answers such as the above and setting up strawmen to suit your own agenda.
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Well, that was not my deliberate intent. I saw the poll as rather fair to all common positions, and left an option to vote for if the user wishes to explain an alternative view which did not correspond with any of the other options. If I could emend further choices, I would.
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I don't care if nobody say "thank you" in the comment but i'm always surprised when the winner don't take few second to say it after he receive the gift...
Now whit the blacklist, it will not a problem anymore !!! ;-)
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That is definitely a problem and I certainly don't approve of it. Commenting on a giveaway... One could argue the merits of doing so. Failing to show gratitude or thanks for a gift after winning and receiving it through the generosity of the contributor? That's inappropriate and, well, rude.
I virtually never comment on giveaways, but I always show my thanks and gratitude (which is genuine) whenever I receive a game I won, and I always try to work with the user if there is a problem with the gift.
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It isn't very likely for someone to win two giveaways created by the same person, is it?
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Hope you're being facetious, mate, as that's otherwise a very strange stance to adopt.
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No http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/Vd7NuNW 2 , I'm being serious http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/AaLhhDw , and the mods support it.
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Interesting...
I'll not pretend I understand your reasoning, mate, but it's also your prerogative. I can respect that much.
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It weeds out those using bots & scripts (somewhat), it sees who reads the description (somewhat) and can follow very simple directions.
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I'm kind of surprised for the first one. Support will usually only reroll for small group giveaways - definitely not the official SG group.
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I made sure it was approved before going forward with it; as long as the mods were fine with it, I created the giveaways with that rule.
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IMO comments right now are pointless. Devs should add a 'thank you' button. If you pushed the button your name would be added to a list. Then comments could be used to ask GA creator a question or to say how you like the game etc.
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I agree. In fact, that has actually been a common suggestion over on SteamCompanion, and we're discussing whether to implement it.
I wonder if it would mean as much, though. Some people actually care about giveaway comments, as is indicated above (assuming they're not troll votes). Would it mean just as much for someone to click a button as compared to taking the steps to comment on the giveaway voicing their thanks?
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Fabulous idea. The overall sentiment remains intact (an expression of gratitude) and the comment section would remain for those who desired to discuss something of perceived import.
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I fully support this idea, might make the comments section of a give-away actually worth reading.
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They are pointless if they are just thanks... On other hand if they are something more they are great part of community.
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That's exactly what I wanted to say.
"Thanks" doesn't mean much anymore since people started to copy-paste it or even automatically post it.
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I'm very much opposed to the pointless 'thank you' copy-paste. I would prefer no comments over having a giveaway spammed with insincere 'thank you' comments.
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put this into a specific situation "public ga" only , how about it both worthless and praiseworthy ?
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As a giveaway entrant, I greatly appreciate the opportunity express my gratitude and/or respond to the contibutor's text. It saddens me that so many find a simple thank you to be insulting, but of course I'll honor their wishes if they make a no thank you request in their descriptions. If only they knew how much effort it takes to post even that much on some of the devices I use to access SG... :p
As a giveaway creator, it really doesn't bother me if entrants don't wish to comment, but I appreciate all of the ones that do. Yup, even if it's a mere "Thanks!" In fact, I always thought a thanks/like button would be an useful addition to the giveaway pages. It would allow those that just want to show their appreciation to do so, while keeping more substantial comments from getting lost in the shuffle.
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Thanks for your thoughtful response. I may not concur completely, but I appreciate your input.
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I've had really long conversation with people in giveaways before. Thanks yous are maybe a bit unnecessary, but comments on giveaways should definitely stay enabled.
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Couldn't this decision be moved to the GA's creator?
I mean, if s/he wants to know something or likes to read thankyous, it's ok;
if not, s/he could disable comments.. seems good to me.
or is it too hard/useless to implement?
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I'm not sure why someone would want disable comments though - if you don't want to see thanks then dont read the comment section o.o
Don't forget comments are also for asking legitimate questions - like if someone is giving away a bundle, you can ask if it's okay to enter if you already own 1 game in the pack or something.
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Oh, right.. I totally forgot that aspect! >_<
It seemed a nice compromise to me, between those who want comments and those who don't. But I guess is not that useful, now.
Oh, but if you don't read the comment section, how can you answer those legitimate questions? =P
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both, depends on who/why/context
why would you disable them?
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Sure thing! I'm curious about people's opinions and I think it's a worthy topic to discuss. Perhaps some change may result from it, as well.
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I believe you mean "then might as well."
Well, this isn't about not showing your appreciation when receiving the key or gift as a winner; this has to do with commenting on the giveaway while it's active. Why do you think that's important?
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If you aren't being sarcastic, no problem.
If you are, I'm just trying to help, since it appears to have been a genuine mistake.
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Ah, so helpfully correcting someone so that others will have an easier time reading text, as well as perhaps making the original poster aware of faulty knowledge, makes one an asshole now?
Nokkenbuer comes across as a friendly and helpful human being, whereas you react in a rather rude manner. Personally, I want everyone to point out all of my mistakes; how else will I learn?
Ages ago, I used to write 'u', thinking it was the formal / nice form of 'you' (just like the Dutch 'u' is). Luckily, someone pointed out this was a shorthand way of writing 'you', and thus, I started using 'you'. Just one example out of many.
And by the way, this is precisely what is wrong with the whole blacklist concept; it makes people afraid to post things. I'll probably be blacklisted as well for this, but eh, so be it.
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Consider my point proven. But, I would like to hear your reasons for doing so; how is what you're doing not being immature, infantile, and rude?
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Whitelisted, because I can. I learned the hard way that you better swim with the current on things like "gg" - for most people it's a meaningless habit, but some characters feel insulted if it's missing. It doesn't bother me, so if writing "gg" - or "thank you" - makes more people happy than unhappy, so be it.
Thank you.
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I'm not precisely sure if this was to me, but if so, thank you - not that it was needed; there are plenty of giveaways to join, but it's the thought that counts, and for that, I thank you. :)
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I wouldn't consider that being an asshole. It seemed like you had a mistake in your English, so I gave you advice on how to properly type and pronounce the phrase "might as well" while also pointing out that you used "than" (used for comparisons) when you should have used "then" (used for temporal referencing). I wasn't trying to be a dick about it; I was simply trying to help. I'm sorry if I offended you, as that was not my intention, though I don't think blacklisting is appropriate for this situation. I suppose it's your decision, though.
Thanks for contributing to the thread, I guess.
EDIT: For what it's worth, I won't be blacklisting you, although I probably should given that I don't think someone so prone to vitriol and spite should deserve to win any game my poor self could give away, it would set a precedent I'd rather not encourage. Blacklisting is a function to restrict offenders, cheaters, and rule breakers from entering into one's giveaways, not to censor those you don't utterly adore. If that were the case, I'd be blacklisting over 90% of SteamGifts, but that won't get me anywhere, now would it?
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Unfortunately I'm poor and I can't afford to give away games. I try to contribute to the community by fostering a healthier, more constructive environment and interacting with its members. If I had the funds, I would give away more. I can barely afford my livelihood right now, though, so I would like to think that take priority over giving away virtual licenses to strangers, however altruistic I may be.
I will never stop correcting people, and I hope no one will refrain from correcting me. How else will I learn from my shortcomings, faults, and mistakes if I am not educated in where I erred?
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I'm not a geriatric; this is my normal vocabulary; and my life is rather bland and devoid of meaning at this time, so you're at least correct on that final insult.
If I actually wanted to troll, I would. At this time, however, I'm simply responding to bump this thread. I suppose at this point, though, any further quips will be redundant, so I'll refrain from further commentary on this thread.
Have a great rest of the day / night.
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Why not simply take it like a man and thank him for correcting you ? I am not a native english speaker, just as you, and I don't mind being corrected. If anything, you learn from the mistake and its correction, and improve your english, which I believe is a positive thing.
I understand that it might make you feel humiliated or something like that but... seriously, calling him an human nothing and an asshole ? You really have a problem. Also the value of gifts given away isn't how how you judge someone's worth.
You see what a man is worth from how he treats his peers.
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I would want people to correct me. Why would I intentionally write something that is wrong? Maybe it was just a typo, but I'd still like to correct that. Often, however, it's a lack of knowledge, and how else will I learn more, if nobody ever points out what I'm doing wrong? I view it as a service, an act of kindness, not something rude or embarrassing.
Now, I suppose there is nothing wrong with not wanting that - but you could have simply took the act in the manner it was done - friendliness - said 'thank you', and move on. Instead, you were rude and punished him, and people will now think twice before responding, partly because of rudeness and all, and because of the 'threat' of blacklisting. I consider that to be wrong.
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This is exactly what I was trying to say, I fully agree,
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OP has been nothing but calm and courteous to you. If anything, you are the troll and the forum certainly doesn't need your kind of toxic behavior.
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There are plenty of ways of being part of the community which don't involve buying games to give away.
Don't let one guy with a family pack of McCain's on his shoulder, and a borderline fetishistic relationship with the "Blacklist" button spoil your day :)
Whitelisted...
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Blacklisted by order of the Grammatical Master Race.
You will know who we are by our exemplary use of punctuation and flawless spelling. You will know where we have been by our stern admonitions and withering appraisals of your poorly constructed posts. You will know when we make giveaways, because you will be eternally blacklisted.
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Sorry. Not my thing, Adam, but since you're into backdoor action, make sure you lube up and go easy to begin with.
A split ring is no laughing matter..
Be careful out there :)
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You're welcome! If you'd prefer, I could correct you if I ever come across your post if I notice something which appear to be a recurring mistake and not just a typo or lapse in language.
Whitelisted as well!
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I don't mind if people say thank you or simply don't say anything , but when the winner does not react in any way .... now that is really disapointing!
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I'll summarize a few of my replies in this thread: I believe the comments --- even simple thank you's --- are a valuable addition, both as a contributor and entrant, proving that members of this community are willing to adhere to at least the most rudimentary forms of common courtesy in a situation where there is no requirement to do so.
Take the following giveaway as an example...
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/nJUs0/grand-theft-auto-san-andreas
...as of the time I wrote this, it had a recorded 3,344 entries yet only 117 comments.
Of those comments, the breakdown is as follows...
• 7 variations of "Thank you" with added text from "a lot, i want this game" to the classic "for the chance" and "hope ill be lucky" including one who took the time to name the contributor "RogueN1pple717"
• 6 variations of "Thank you" with added text from "for the opportunity, mate" to "good sir" and "for this giveaway!"
• 24 variations of "Thank you" with or without exclamation marks and smileys
• 56 variations of "Thanks" with or without exclamation marks and smileys
• 10 variations of "Thx" with or without capitalization
• 4 simple "ty"
• 3 random gestures of appreciation, such as "Cheers!"
• 1 very odd comment I'll disregard of "vlw"
...so, let's take a look at the data.
116 out of 3,344 is just under 3.5% of the total.
That's to say, these "oh so useless" comments are being produced by a mere fraction of the community. Most people enter and don't even bother taking the miniscule effort to write "thx" or "ty." Regardless of their level, that strikes me as somewhat rude.
For that reason, I support both the idea of a "Thank you!" button and also firmly maintain that those individuals who express their gratitude are valuable contributors. Get back to me when the overwhelming majority of people are giving out these "insincere" thanks, until then, I'd wager there's some degree of sincerity to be had in the remarks of the few.
EDIT: My own, admittedly low-profile, giveaways maintain equally dire ratios. 425 entries and 30 comments. 288 entries, 34 comments. 528 entries, 23 comments. It's the same everywhere. Most people just can't be bothered, so why demean those who do?
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I appreciate your input and data.
In my opinion, I consider simply thanking the contributor in the giveaway comments to be absurd and irrational because although I do appreciate the contribution to the community, I have no obligation (nor authority) to speak on behalf of SteamGifts and all its constituents by thanking the contributor in a reply, especially when so many others—however minuscule a fraction in comparison—are doing so already. Once I received the gift, assuming I won, I always make sure to thank the contributor and display my courtesy during the interaction as that is the optimal and most logical course of action and time to do so—the most proper thing to do.
Moreover, given that I enter a minimum of 5–10 giveaways a day and often remove entries and redistribute my points depending on giveaway closures, I could be leaving obsolete comments on nearly a dozen giveaways every day (likely many more). Why not utilize this time to contribute to the forum, or spark some discussion and debate like this thread has so obviously done? It would seem like a rather inefficient and impractical waste of my time, however courteous and proper it may be, to comment a simple thanks on every giveaway I enter.
Anyway, my main point of contention is with respect to the value and content of the comments themselves. Simple "thank you" comments are, in my opinion, noncontributory and waste bandwidth. Even from the perspective of a giveaway creator, the comments I received on my giveaways gave me a small sense of satisfaction for having been appreciated and acknowledged, which passed after hardly a moment and replaced with the realization that the momentary warmth I felt doesn't hold a dying candle to all the time these users put into commenting such trivial messages on my giveaways. It was effectively a waste of their time because my fleeting fuzzy feelings do not justify the time spent to evoke it, nor does it help that I feel responsible for their wasting their time to show some faux courtesy when in the end, it didn't really make a significant, meaningful difference.
If there were structured purposes for the comments section of a giveaway, perhaps with a topic of discussion or requesting response, like I suggested above, I would be more inclined to comment and treat the section as an area of interaction in its own right, and not as the spamboard for "thnx" and variants that it usually is.
Overall, as harsh as it may sound, I don't see the reason in the rationale. Why comment when you could constructively contribute to the community? For mere courtesy and propriety? Call me uncouth, but with all due respect I don't see that as valid justification.
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I see your point, and respect your opinion, but maintain that even a semblance of propriety --- as you dubbed it --- is worth preserving precisely as it is extraneous to the operation of this site. There is no meaningful value in expressions of gratitude on a giveaway, no more than you should thank the cashier who accepts your money for a lottery ticket, the valet who refrained from driving your car headlong into traffic nor the individual who passed you the salt when you requested it... save in the expression itself.
Therein lies our fundamental difference. You seem to find it meaningless (and, please believe me, I can empathize with your point if only from the perspective of bandwidth-preservation), whereas I find it inherently valuable.
Having said that, I would, again, be perfectly content with a "Thank You!" button that would fulfill the same basic function, cull the comment section, save everyone some time and, with any luck, provide the foundation for some meaningful discussion.
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I find your comparisons to other common examples of expressing gratitude in a variety of situations to be incongruous since there is much more, comparatively speaking, to posting a "thank you" in the comments section of a giveaway than there is in saying it idly and impulsively when dealing with people in-person. Unlike the latter, which is oftentimes an impulsive act of propriety, the former is more of a deliberate and conscious decision. Anyway, keeping in the same sort of analogy, it's quite a hassle to hear the thank you's of over a hundred people during an auction-style raffle at your local community center, all simply for letting them participate. I understand what you mean, though; I just don't think the same rules do or should necessarily apply in online interactions as it should in-person, if only for the purposes of this discussion.
With regard to a "Thank You!" button, I support the idea and have stated as much, but there are some concerns about it, to which I alluded previously. For example, would simply clicking a button to show one's gratitude suffice in the same meaningful capacity as would a comment, which requires more deliberate action? Would clicking this button become customary, and what would be the assumed implications of failing to do so? Would it be seen as mere laziness, or something more deliberate, such as an implicit "Fuck You!" to the contributor? If the latter, is this also the case in terms of implicit message for those who do not comment their thanks on giveaways; and if so, is it equal in meaning or is there a discrepancy in the intensity of the intended message? Although I strongly support such an idea, these are concerns about which I wonder, being the pedant that I am.
(As a side note, this button would ironically compliment your above analogies very well inasmuch as clicking it would be as close to an impulsive act of propriety as could be attained online while still leaving room for intentional lapses in propriety to send a negative message to the other party, if needed.)
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As we seem to be more or less on the same page, albeit with a difference of opinion regarding the merits therein, I'll skip to the issue over which you've expressed some concern: a "Thank You!" button.
Let's get this one out of the way first, I cannot even begin to comprehend how anyone might justifiably perceive a lack of clicks on said button as an affront, much less an outright slur. If so, by extension the majority who omit to leave a grateful comment as of this moment are performing the same task. That is --- to use my cited giveaway --- akin to some people saying thanks while 97% of the community shout a resounding, even deafening "FUCK YOU!" to the contributor.
...which isn't what happened.
Most people, I'd wager, simply thought nothing of it. Others refrained due to a lack of time or the awkward nature of commenting on their chosen platform (having accessed the site via an outdated Android tablet recently, I can justify the complaint). I might speculate further, but the fact remains that the staggering majority did not leave a comment and no offense was taken. Indeed, oddly, the only thing being discussed is whether those few who did comment are in the wrong.
Fascinating, aye?
Finally, the measure by which clicking said button might suffice as a measure of gratitude is so immensely subjective I'd prefer not to debate it. We might as well postulate once more regarding the sincerity of any of the "thank you" remarks that are posted now. For the record, mine are made in earnest, in which I'm certainly not alone... yet, even if that were not the case, what difference does it make? Even if one-hundred percent of entrants clicked it, without a requirement that they do so to participate, the contributor's bias remains. They might find it frivolous, heartwarming or ignore it entirely. Subjectivity at its core, mate.
EDIT: I should note that fully I agree with your assessment that there is a very real distinction between the onus of expressing gratitude in-person as opposed to online, which forms the crux of my argument and is precisely why I introduced it; given that there is no requirement, the expression has symbolic value. Those one-hundred "thanks" at your local community raffle are obligatory, societal pressure being what it is, whereas here there exist no such strictures. The majority have already proven that it is perfectly acceptable to enter any giveaway without a word.
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You'd be surprised how sensitive some people can be, and how a mere low return in thank you's could dissuade them from future giveaways; if people value "thank you" comments so much, I wouldn't be surprised if there are those who take offense by the lacking thereof. You make a good point, though, and I can see how my concerns are pretty pedantic and unfounded. In other words, to keep in the spirit of formal eloquence, I formally concede.
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A concession is unnecessary, I feel we've both articulated ourselves with aplomb and I sincerely respect your initiative in beginning the debate.
As to your parting remark, what more can I say but: touche, mate.
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This whole conversation is absolutely awesome. Be proud of yourselves and your vocabulary.
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I don't say thanks unless its needed in giveaway rules. Because its usually copypaste same thanks again and again. Most people anyway are silent like newbies or few-word-persons like i. At same time they are vauable,but for fake giveaways they just hinder their regift/no key/no gift in inventory e.t.c.
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if there was an option to disable comments when creating a giveaway that would be good .....
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Clearly you've never seen HERETICAL giveaways and the shit we get to post in our comments section.
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Apparently not, though in those cases I would guess that the comment section is being put to (somewhat) good use.
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No but I've heard about it and it sounds like a fraking terrible idea. :D
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They really like my Fester Mudd giveaways. Especially since it has no cards
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How about a thank you button?
Filter comments for simple variations of 'thank you' and reject/delete them. Users can click the thank you button and have their name up there on the give-away page, and in the overview list it could show 'Adobe Tycoon Simulator 2 (37 thank-you's, 4 comments)'. That way people can still thank the giver, and if there are comments they will be actually helpful.
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This has already been mentioned, but I'll reiterate what I stated above: I support this idea and would definitely recommend its implementation.
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Ah, I've read through the comments and didn't see it, which surprised me as it was fairly obvious to me.
Good to see there is support for this idea.
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Usually I check the comments if I find an intresting info, or anything original besides the usual " thanks" . Still, I wouldn't be hurt or sad if there would be no thank you comments on my giveaways. But I'll still write under most of the giveaway I take part a "Thanks", especially when I'm really happy to see a giveaway of that game :)
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This seems to be a rather controversial and hotly debated issue among giveaway entrants and contributors. What do you think about giveaway comments? When someone comments on your giveaway saying thank you, does that matter to you? Is it important? Do you go out of your way to comment on giveaways, or do you see them as frivolous wastes of site bandwidth? What do you think should be the purpose of the comment section of a giveaway, and are people currently fulfilling that purpose, in your opinion? Or should the section be deleted all together, if you were to decide?
Both contributors and entrants are welcomed.
EDIT: Yes, I'm aware now that the poll options are biased. My apologies.
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