it will be like that with any community, especially ones with a ranking system. i very highly doubt there are many here who give without any judgement and for the sole purpose of giving to others who probably cant afford to buy the games. for instance some people putting restrictions with that sgtools site that you have to had given more games than won, well ive won more than ive given but all ive won are pretty crappy indie games, if you compared the worth of the games given to the ones won its nearly double. so if your only giving to those who have given more than they won then are you giving or rewarding? looks a lot like "ive given a lot, youve given a lot, lets trade in our special group"

Don't you know about the giving master race? The grandest race on the internet that rules over the winning peasants.

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I just like being an asshole

reading this with the other thread I can't realise 1 thing how does All this makes people ungrateful;;
I can understand people to be a bit bitter with others that won tons of game and gave literally nothing
but it's simple as that none is forcing anyone around everyone came and stay here for their own reasons
some like it some don't.
if my post ofended you I'm sorry I didn't had any intention I simple point the fact that there are better chances at a higher lvl ga with less entries.

The community is meh-ish. Not much to contribute to in this thread after the first 10 comments but the only thing people need to stop doing is being elitist.

"Seen a guy who won 41 games and gave nothing."

I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as they're activating the games. I would've done the same myself twenty years ago, back when I had no money at all, and could only play free games. I certainly couldn't have afforded to give away anything back then.

You can always restrict your giveaways to higher level users if you don't want such users to win.

Dont let the bad people ruin your stay here. There will be always bad people that will be mean for many reasons. Just find your balance here, like, if you like puzzles, open those threads, if you like to cheer up people go and give a good word there, if whiners or dramas or people that wave their generosity ruin your mood, avoid them. I had so many good laughs on this forum, there are just too good and funny people in here, that won't let the rotten apples ruin my experience. Now i go back to sleep, i am meant to sleep at this hour, i dont even know how was my english ':D. Also, nice quote

Ignore the stupid people, and have fun.
The silent majority is fine...
Also, as far as I've seen, the active users are also fine. Active in the forum that is.

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There are many ungrateful 0 level users, but also we have many high level users who giveaway Fallout 4 for low level users to.)

welcome to the real world, how old are you? 15? you sound reaaaaallly without experience, have you ever had a job at a supermarket?

I really enjoy this community ^^. Of course there are ungrateful users, but it's a minority really. I don't think anyone would be here for long making GAs for bunch of as.... Yepp, can't see that. And sadly, from my experience, they are usually people with rather low level. I would never tell anyone that they don't deserve to win if they did now give anything from themselves (heck, I've won my first GA here when I was on level 0), yet if someone wins a bunch of game and give nothing back... That is something annoying. I don't expect anyone to make AAA games GAs every other day. Currently at my work I get payed 220 euros (we have other currency, so it's quite different, yet we buy game for the same price as everyone else), so not huge money, yet I can spend a little bit on community I enjoy, since I have the possibility. I don't believe other people do not have this possibility - to buy a one dollar bundle once a month? Or buy something on Steam from cards if they can't use paypal? Really, with steam sales you can awesome games for very low price. Yet, for this kind of behavior limiting level for GAs is usually a way to go.
So don't worry about it ^^ There will always be some not-so-nice people around, wherever you are. It's better to focus your attention on those nice and friendly. Then you'll have a great time here.

That's very true, I've been blacklisted several times because of my ratio, a very recently I've found out I'm blacklisted by somebody, I tried to ask that person the reason, didn't even tell me, just removed me from friend list, then rejected and blocked me.

Yeah I understand that they want to give others chance. But it's not fair to expect somebody to have more given than won, not everyone is rich enough to afford money on games, just because your friends are rich, doesn't mean every person from the whole world are rich as well.

I believe there's two types of people, first are who've won a lot but have given away nothing, this person has a lot of money in real life, and could've easily given away at least half of what he had won, but he won't, I agree that this kind of people are leechers. However here's second type of people who really would love to give away, but they can't afford to buy games, so the community is slowly leading this people to "**** off leecher! give away more games or you can't win my giveaways anymore!", along with the REAL leechers, this totally ruins the purpose and point of "Gift", it turns more like trading than gifting.

A person shouldn't ignore/blacklist somebody just because of others ratio without knowing what kind of person you're blacklisting, it's very immature thing to do in my opinion, unless you're totally sure that person is either a very bad person, has never activated games, totally rulebreaking, a scammer or something like that.

As long as the winner activates game and is trying to do his/her best to cooperate with you in activating the game correctly and receiving it, shouldn't shouldn't matter for you who's winning it.

If you're doing something good, and if you're REALLY doing it, you shouldn't expect anything back, and you shouldn't feel high just because you have respect, power, have over given away 4954359 games and won 1 or whatever, doesn't matter how great your account is.

And just because it's an internet, doesn't mean a person is can/allowed to be an asshole, "OH its just an internet ahahahaha" of course you're free to be an asshole or ungrateful or whatever, but this is a very immature act, I greatly recommend totally ignoring this kind of people, as they'll always try to ruin your mood and try to make an impression like they're the BEST and you're nothing, but actually this kind of people are nothing but a kids or somebody who's really been doing very very bad with his/her life.

And this is just my opinion, nothing personal meant for anybody else, thanks for reading and have a great day!

Keep crying, you will get great achievements in your life (Y)

Steamgifts Unofficial Guide

Step 1: Stop giving a shit about the level requirements/ratio/blacklisting crap.

Be who you want to be, do what you wish to do. Give if you want to give, leech if you want to leech. Both of these decisions will have an impact on your experience here and will affect how people see you. But why care about such things? If you have the right attitude and are an overall friendly person, you shouldn't care about what some people think of you. If you see contribution level as a competition, then it becomes one. Pretend it doesn't even exist, and there you go, you no longer have anything to worry about.

You are wrong, this is the best community ever at least till you start complaining about winning, just everyone wants to win

I really like this quote :)

There is a lot of people, so its going to be everything

R3dka, I can't get why you got so frustrated and excited about the comments that were posted on the other thread. It's obviously the product of hearsay or misread info. You get wired up for the sake of this 2% of the community while 98% has other point(s) of view on the matter.

IMHO your ratio and profile in general is quite normal, a typical from-time-to-time user and it's definitely not bringing up any bad thoughts or concerns. I mean you could win 2x or even 3x times these and still not being "ungrateful" .

So R3dka, i don't think you shouldn't worry even a bit. :D

I personally try to maintain my ratio at 1:1, but I don't make GAs right away, so most of the time my ratio is a bit leechy(if such a word exists).

Right now, for example I have a CIS event/puzzle running. It is my second one because after I made some public giveaways a couple of my winners were leechers at that time and I decided that puzzles are great. Here are some reasons:

1. People get better chances to win a game. And level restrictions can be 0+, so doesn't matter how much you gave away.
2. Ninjas and bots don't enter with such.
3. And usually active users read forum and solve puzzles.

So since I found out that some a-holes do take part in these events I'm looking forward creating a group and making group gibs.

I think you exaggerate. Yes, some users are a-holes but there's a special place for them (ya know... your blacklist) and they are in minority.
This thing with ratio I never really understood. It seems kinda stupid to me because some people are here clearly because they don't have much money for games and noone should blame them for this. Personally I feel kinda bad about my bad ratio, that's why I crate some GAs when I can but not many, plus I don't like to give to community tons of crappy bundle games.

It is all about utility.

You have a game, that you have no interest playing. It is hard to monetize or trade - too much of a bother. Its value to you is marginal. So you give it away and trade its value for something that has greater value for you - whether that is respect, good feeling of helping or ego boosting that comes with being higher level than others. It is a voluntary trade, so it makes both parties better off. The value of game is subjective, so is the utility that comes from giving it, the latter is also greatly affected by the person that receives the gift.Some people enjoy giving so much (they are generous) or the subjective value of game is so marginal (they have high income) that they actually buy games just to give them away. Yet, they face the same dilemma - who should have their gift?

(Also, understand reciprocity and your view on what is fair. If you give something, you expect something back. Good feeling, respect, higher chance of winning something else, thank you.... anything.)

Let me give you an example -
You have 5 bucks. Would you rather give the 5 bucks to a kind homeless guy you saw yesterday sharing his burger with a puppy (let me say his ratio was W-G 2-2) or would you rather give it to a guy whom you seen ignoring the same puppy? (his ratio is W-G 4-0). You can only give away 5 bucks. Which of these gentleman do you think is more deserving of your kindness? They both want the bucks, they both need it. Yet it a scarce resource and you have to make a choice. And, if you are like most people, you want kindness to be rewarded and encouraged, so you choose the guy with better ratio, higher level, whatever we want to call it. Or you can toss a coin with both of them having 50/50 chance of winning. Or you can keep it to yourself. Or, most likely, you would give 4 bucks to the generous guy, and 1 buck to the other one. (fallout 4 for lvl 5+ and trine I for lvl 0+)

The community is huge, the gifts are scarce, you can not give it to everyone. The only thing you know about most people is their ratio, level, etc. You understand that not everyone can afford to give games away. But you also do not want to support people that only came to take. So make a decision that reflects your preferences - give indiscriminately, or reward kindness? There is also some risk of a key being stolen, gift not marked as received, or long waiting time. Those risks go down with min lvl requirement. If you think someone is mean (if you think the other guy would kick the puppy) you would not wish to support such a person - so you blacklist him.

I personally try to keep my CV ratio 1-1, I understand the level or other restrictions, but I also feel like people are over-using them. They mean well, they want to reward good behavior, but they kinda forget that not everyone has enough to share and hence to reach the higher levels. (Please note that I said over-using, not abusing. It is entirely up to each and every one of us what we do with our 5 bucks).

So, my conclusion is - use restrictions, but be mindful of what you really want to achieve. People should go easier on the sgtools / min CV / min lvl.

So she asked for respect to herself in previous thread and now complaining about others, who "want respect"? This is so lame, lol, my dear Friend nekomimibadik (first two i=o) said everything right, he is a man of wisdom.

So far I've started doing giveaways starting level 1 because the ones who won the level 0s had won a lot of games without giving away anything. It's not really a bad thing, but you can't help but think "maybe there's someone who wanted this game more and who hasn't won a lot?. So I changed to level 1 giveaways so at least it's someone who will knows what it feels like to give games away. I might use sgtools because when doing giveaways for expensive games I'd like someone to win who hasn't won a lot. I still need to figure out how sgtools works though.

How about giving away some more games? :) Anyway, I have no problems with the community. It's best to just focus on what you do and not focus on what others are doing or what their opinions are.