I think it would be better to add the HiB6 now than waiting for it to no longer be on sale as many contributors will mistag giveaways. That way people can still keep their value for stand alone copies and bundles can still be given, the other HiB have worked the same way.
In previous HiB I received additional copies in my inventory of games from the bundle I already had, the HiB6 did not do that, Rochard and Shatter were just on sale, Torchlight is free with TL2, SPAZ is often on sale. Point being they are very common games, a lot of copies waiting to be gifted before the announcement of the bundle and shouldn't depreciate because of HiB6
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There were never additional copies of games from the Humble Bundle. Torchlight was "free" with TL2 as a pre-order bonus. In 5 hours, that will not be the case anymore.
The problem is not with the people waiting for the Bundle to appear with the list, but with those who will give bundle keys as one of the games. (the one with the highest value usually) If everyone was honest, there wouldn't be the need for this.
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I got a copy of BIT.TRIP BEAT in my inventory when I activated HAB3
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And I got a copy of Torchlight when I activated HIB6, but it didn't come from HIB itself. My guess is you bought some pack at some point that included Bit.Trip Beat, and gave you an extra copy of games you had. These packs tend to get triggered again when you activate an extra copy of the game on your account. (Even though there are technically no new copies added.)
Same thing happened when I got a pack that contained Half-Life 2. I triggered the Orange Box and gave me an extra copy.
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I think if they were considered bundle games though, that's all the more reason for people to list them under an individual game - way more contributor value. I guess I don't really see how that would solve the issue (although I'm very tired and on a lot of medication from a recent operation so I'm a bit out of it as of late and could be missing a very obvious point there).
I think, has someone pointed out, a big issue is getting the Humble Bundles in the giveaways list sooner. During the last Humble Bundle I saw a lot of giveaways for individual games in the bundle that said right in the description that it was a Humble Bundle key that included the others. I later saw people defending themselves by saying "it wasn't in the list, so I did this". I think in a lot of those situations it's not them exploiting the bundles or contributor value on purpose so getting the bundles in the list sooner could help with those cases, at the very least.
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Yep. The Amnesia graph bears that out. That huge spike in June matches HIB5, when it was the most expensive game (and therefore the one added the most contributor status) in the bundle. It never went below 50% off on Steam during that time.
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I feel like people are currently doing this with Torchlight, but I'm just making assumptions.
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Because of the way Steam handles the pre-order bonus for Torchlight II, everyone who had it and activated HIB6 got a bonus giftable copy of Torchlight in their inventory. I'm guessing a lot of the giveaways are due to this.
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Lol no, its not illegal, its against TOS, its very different as TOS are not legally binding.
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I pay 1$, giveaway Torchlight, give someone the full key, are they going to care that much? I get 20$ contributor for 1$, it makes sense for them to be treated the same way as the other bundles for this reason.
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Actually I see their point. If it unlocks all the other, then it was an $1 key, mislabelled and therefore could be considered as misrepresented and a rule violation, a copy of Torchlight bought say 20 minutes before the Humble Bundle went live , should be fine for full value. Mind you, I might be a bit biased in that case!
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I know they are not valid, just saying, I picked the wrong game to give away this evening. Maybe I will ask Steam for a refund and get another game to give away.
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Games aren't reduced in price retroactively IIRC, games given away before the bundles go live are still given full contributor
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The unfortunate truth :/ It would be nice if the site didn't need to make changes to prevent abuse, but here we are.
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How is this different from buying game cheap on sale, then giving it away to get more contribution value?
I bought Alpha Protocol for 1$ when it was on 90% off sale; if I were to give it away here I get 20$ contribution for 1$. Should Alpha Protocol be considered bundle game?
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I don't think you understand, this isn't about the price you pay, its about people trying to get around the contributor value bundle system and why it would be a bad idea to not have the recent games counted as bundles regardless of the fact they are all one key because you could just give the whole set away as the highest value game.
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I think you are stupid for complaining that you bought games from steam at a higher price and now complain they are too cheap and can not be given separately. You buy the bundles to help the developers and for charity . So don`t be a retard and complain about cheap games for charity.
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It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's the point of this thread; going WAY over your head!
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Well i don't consider it a real bundle. Rather a game package that comes with 1 activation key.
I had 3 of them 6 games and felt a bit stupid that i basically "wasted" 3 games instead being able to give them away.
But on the other hand, it took me only 10$, i can't really complain about that price for 6 games for Steam -AND- DRM free -AND- Soundtrack.
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Basically, they're selling you 6 DRM-free games. And with a price of $1 or more, they're giving you a bonus Steam key as a second mean to access those games.
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While movac wrote why they are considered to be bundle games, I just wonder if pre-bundle giveaways are treated as such. Like, making all pre-bundle giveaways to be completely different game than post-bundle (and pre-bundle games wouldn't be possible to choose from menu)?
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i have actually had previously purchased through steam games pop into my inventory when activating a humble key that included that very game, so that's sort of like what they're trying to prevent here. i could care less about contributor value though so it doesn't matter much to me, but i see where people could feel like their not-actually-having-anything-to-do-with-a-bundle gift is less appreciated because the game they decided to buy and give away got included in a bundle.
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Tey ARE BUNDLE GAMES the Epiphony of BUNDLE. they are BUNDLED INTO ONE KEY. and anyway giving out seperate keys are AGAINST HumbleBundle TOS unlike groupees or indie gala. and against this site where if it is against a bundles TOS it is against this sites TOS read the rules dipshit
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And yet he didn't say anything about giving away the games separately from HIB but gifting the games from his steam inventory and asking about how the contributor values should be worked out, maybe you should read dipshit
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I think it should be implemented for the games which was created after bundles. Imagine you buy one of the games way before bundle and gave it away and you got correct contrubitor points, but later they change it to lower points, i dont think its fair. Though the way i suggest requires really important tracking of bundles etc.
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If anything, this proves that contributor value is flawed. But instead of fixing it, let's make rules that prevent people from giving away bundles, yeah, that's a great idea.
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This has already been said, but I have to say it again. I still think they should have reduced contributor value. People will buy the bundle for $1 and then give it away under just one of the listed bundle games on steamgifts. So they grab the contributor value after all. It's still far too exploitable.
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But it would still be capped, max they could get from bundle games is 30$+20% of non bundled, so if they were giving away Torchlight to try and get 20$ contributor, they'd still have to give away 100$ to get the full amount. Its not that exploitable.
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Because people have abused that already. The idea was to not include the individual games at the start, if they don't have individual keys, HOWEVER lots of people made giveaways for one of the games in the bundle (usually the most expensive) and gave the winner the bundle key (which includes that game along with all the rest they got for 1$).
So, there is your answer why we can't have nice things.
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ok.. so .. basically.. its just throwing off the economy of SG
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just throwing this out there..
whats wrong with labeling the giveaway as torchlight.. and giving the HB6 key. the winner gets torchlight (plus all other games)
(if this was answered above.. sorry)
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Because the giver get the $10 contributor value for torchlight when he just bought the bundle for a dollar (just as anyone else can). And then this system will get further abused (more that it already is).
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I didn't get why the Swedish Bundle was going for so much (and I guess still is). That was a Steam-created Bundle though, right? I think all bundles should be treated the same. Let whatever the games inside sale for on Steam set the number of points.
Edit: I understand that this could be abused but still feel like there need to be a balance among indie-based game bundles.
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did anyone pay $78 for the bundle is a better question. Isn't that price based off full retail value of all games in the package as well.
Did you notice most of the top contributors this week are just 2 swedish indie bundles, a lot less money spent than many other givaways
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Fact: Bundle cost 1u$s - ∞
More Facts: Nobody (over steam gifts at least =P) will pay more that 10$
Another fact: There is people that get the bundle for 1 $ and then they make a giveaway for the most valuable game of the bundle = profit
Its a shame but true =/ so i think that they must be considered bundle games
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yeah but it isnt the same kind of people we are talking here. You are talking about regular ppl, that sees that humble bundle is a good chance to help and get something good in return. We are talking about people that sees humble bundle as a way to raise their contributor value buying a lot of bundles for $1, and posting each game for 10, 20,30... making the contributor system useless.
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For kickstarter u need 10 $ to recive the game (for a giveaway or for yourself).
For humble bundle you just need to pay 1$ for the pack of games (and i dont see way lot of dustforce over here) right now this is overwhelmed of torchligth
Its a coincidence that coming out the humble bundle and this happens (i dont think so) = /
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A single key activates ALL the non-bta games. (durr)
In light of this, I don't think these games, namely Vessel, Torchlight, Rochard, S.P.A.Z., and Shatter, should be considered "bundled games" and subject to the reduced contributor value, due to the fact that you can't give these games away individually. Its an unnecessary "punishment" for those that have bought the games, albeit on sale, from the steam store and have them as inventory copies.
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What do you guys think?
CG?
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