Besides current modifiers to GA CV, add this one:

CV = currentsystemCV * (numberOfSelectedCountries / numberOfTotalCountries)

Reason why I would like this here is to prevent exploiting CV system using very cheap activation codes with region restrictions to some countries or regions like RU+CIS keys from shady shops.

EDIT: Wasn't aware of countries from which users pay full price on Humble and get region locked keys so please ignore my stupid suggestion.

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As much as I dislike those shady key shops, why do you want to punish people from countries with a harsh region lock? Most of the time users do not choose to do these region restriction but are forced to use them by the publishers or Steam's gifting policy.

Edit: I would rather prefer to set certain "shovelware $25 games" to 0 CV. This would be a simple solution.

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I would like to punish users who exploited those harsh region locks gifting away multiple copies of same game. Wish if there could be a way to to not punish normal users who were forced to make GA with region lock because only code with region lock was available to them on Fanatical or Humble.

2 years ago
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What about Germans? There are some stupid localisations of games, that lock them to Germany. Let's say I want to giveaway 5 copies of such a game, I have to choose as region lock just Germany.
If I understand you correctly, I should get next to no CV for those giveaways.

I agree that there is a problem with very cheap keys for software that should not be called a "game", but many of those keys are region free.

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I didn't know that there are Germany only codes. I am aware that there are Germany versions of games (because of too much blood or nazi symbols) but didn't know there are country locked codes for Germany due to localization. :/

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It may also be just because the publisher likes to limit it.
Deponia Doomsday was featured in a German print magazine on release, I bought one to give it away, only to realise afterwards that it was region locked. link
To my shame I just noticed that the GA was not region locked, I am not sure why anymore.

2 years ago
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I would rather prefer to set certain "shovelware $25 games" to 0 CV.

Man, so I'm not alone with noticing the 1$ trash that goes for $25 recently. Great that I'm not mad :D

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Even $1 would be a stretch imho.
$25 seems fine, if the devs/publishers pay us that much to have the game in our library...

2 years ago
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I wouldn't pay a cent to have them, but it was really shocking to see recently how many of "games" of that quality are priced at €20-€25.

2 years ago
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My guesses for that price are

  • hope some "game collector" just buys them on Steam; many seem to have had a 40% release discount, that's a cheap catch!
  • sell keys on shady-sites-that-shall-not-be-named for $1 or so and hope people fall for that unbelieveable discount
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You forget a point.

It give devs that create such high price tags to abuse sg, IG etc. GAs and the reward system by themself or sell the games to their customers for that purpose/with that tempting extra.

And yes, all the games that are listed in the shady ru stores, it give shady chinese ones too but my experience with them is much lower, and have a unrealistic high price tag, should be set to 0 cv.

That would hit the abusers, the fake devs and would in the end lower the ammount of work for the support members (and people like me that report such games. I have lesser and lesser time and motivation to do it...

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It'd be great if the keys were all suddenly revoked.

Imagine how many "givers" on SG would be fucked...

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this. you can tell by the copy and paste font and randomized names lol

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You make a valid point, but...

  1. create regional giveaway group
  2. give actually region-locked keys as region-free, because everybody is able to activate them anyway
  3. profit

That kind of group circlejerking, though rare, actually exists already, and this would only exacerbate it.
There already are massive uproars every time a "questionable" decision (like 0-CVing Indie Gala Gameplay Giveaway games) is taken, this would cause a literal riot.

I'd rather set as 0 CV all the "game-shaped objects" priced like they're the next big blockbuster but sold as cheap as moldy bread crumbs on shady keystores.

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I really like "game-shaped objects" :D

2 years ago
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You got the point. :/

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I'd rather set as 0 CV all the "game-shaped objects" priced like they're the next big blockbuster but sold as cheap as moldy bread crumbs on shady keystores.

Agreed, there's a recent uptick of such objects.

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I still wait to see the riot when the Lootboy/IG Feudalife games get listed as free.

No free cv anymore for the accounts that make 10 GAs/daily from that sites. Or with other words, the multiaccounters, because with one account on that sites isn't it possible.
All this precious cv ..... -poof-

It will hit my cv too and i don't have the games for my GAs from the Feudalife thing (so yes it will hit innocent ones too)..... but that is it worth because it prevents the abuse from other ones.

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Do we really want a more watered-down CV, while we also punish people who cant do anything about the regionlock of their keys, just because a minority of the users may somehow exploit the system? :/ I am not a fan of collective punishment and a general rule like this would feel as such community-wide.

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Well there are already CV restrictions in place when you give more than a certain number of copies.
There are also certainly people who abuse region restrictions but what are you gonna do?

2 years ago
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I totally disagree with your suggestion.

Why?

First of all, Its something totally complicated to do and automate taking into account all the countries that exist.

Second, Many people who want to increase their CV to enter high level giveaways, do not have that much money to donate. And if they change the CV they would harm users from countries that do not have as much money to invest.

One thing is blocking bots accounts (I really like that idea), quite another is to block people CV ´´for being poor or not having enough money to donate something really expensive in their country´´.

This is my thought and I hope no one is offended by what I say. (Sorry for my english btw)

Good week everyone n_n

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it would most likely just increase the amount of people who do little or no giveaways and just take/enter level o giveaways and we have enough of them already

2 years ago
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This will be awesome to people on regions with weaker currencies.
I can see they all looking forward to make giveaways that worth nothing.

Edit:
Wait, there is more... And it gets even better.
I missed the part where those who "bought with usd" in "countries with weaker currencies" to get "region locked titles".
I thought the "worth nothing" above was the bottom... But I was wrong.
Apparently, you can go even further, double the bid and make things worth way more than nothing.

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sorry but i can't say i like this for many , many reasons

1 - some people have less money to spend on games
2 - more people would not do giveaways at all than pay for games that do 0 to help there account
3 - make whitelist only giveaways as a way to decide who can and can't enter your giveaways or group giveaways
4 - region restrictions are not by choice of the person who buys them or we would all choose games able to be enjoyed everywhere

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And just like that i probably would stop, making gas or buying bundles.

Ive already slowed down since things been getting worse, my income got worse, my currency and spending got worse(inflation, was already bad prior to covid), and my main one stop for bundles (humble) have gotten worse- and giving me region locked games bought by the same us dollars as everyone else... yeah, i pay the same in a bundle as anyone who buys it, but half or more of it comes as region locked for me. So nice!

No exploiter here, i just happen to live in Brazil. Wich apparently isnt bad enough already by the looks of it, according to your post. I cant convey in words proper how im feeling about seeing such a suggestion, and now wondering if one day sg will listen to a topic like this. One more small worry to feed my crippling anxiety, awesome

PS: Sorry for the downer tone, im just going through some #$%@ times. I dont usually vent online but this time i think it was fitting

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Sorry to hear that, sincerely. :(
If anything, cg will probably dismiss my suggestion (90%) so I guess this shouldn't feed your anxiety, I hope.

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Its alright. Thats why i said small worry, im aware that i blow things out of proportion- cant explain since rationally i know what deserves worrying or not, but my gut insists in pumping my anxiety regardless. Even the war in ukraine made me more anxious- granted it worsened inflation so it affected me (warranted worry) but still its happening in the opposite side of the world

I get where you coming from, at one point i was mad at bots and leechers on sg (at one point i only made group GAs and such) but theres some things we cant really fix (and even if we did they would find another way). Theres a point where any more measures would hurt someone else or everyone. Like denuvo/heavy-drm

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Then we should do the same with group and whitelist giveaways.
I mean hey, you never know when someone will be "exploiting" those cheap keys in groups and whitelist, right?

It's better to be safe than sorry. ;)

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