It doesn't matter how many he has sold. It's still illegal. He just hasn't been caught yet. Report him to eBay...
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Thar doesn't make it legal.
P.S. I reserve the right to blame people who sell used games. Punks!
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Any agreement between you and a service provider is a contract. Breaking a contract is illegal. It's that simple.
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Breaking a contract isn't against the law. lol If it was, then you would go to jail for it. It's called a civil case, not a criminal case.
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They can say whatever they want... in US. But in EU if you paid for any product then it belongs to you and you can do with it whatever you want. If this mean that you need to sell account with it, then you can do it.
As far as I know Valve is still going to court in EU because they do not allow to sell for example one game from your account. Oh, and soon they will have another case because of that (court date was for end of 2013 so they are already there probably).
In 2012 EU Court of Justice clearly stated that every citizen of EU should have right to resell digital title. Naturally you could sue Valve because of that but... Last year (almost with EUC ruling) every user of Steam confirmed new "user license agreement" that is prohibiting users from filing class-action lawsuits against the company.
So there is c.... block for both sides.
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Yes, locking a CD key to a non transferable personnal account is illegal here in EU. Valve may have some troubles when a justice court will dig into this... if it happens some day.
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thats why they re worded their TOS stating you no longer own games only SUBSCRIBE, hence can still lock games to 1 account
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There are known tricks for it, for example selling a guide (not the Steam account) on how to use Steam properly, as extra you receive a free Steam account with the following games..
People have been doing that for 2 years with their League of Legends accounts.
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It's not forbidden by law - it's not illegal. It's against STEAM TOS. There's a difference.
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Illegal?! Hahaha, it's just against Valve's Subscriber Agreement. If they find your account, they'll ban you. Stop spreading bullshit over the internet.
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It's probably legal to sell them since there is no law against it if it's his account, but it's against Steams ToS, so you can't complain if they ban you.
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no it is against the law to sell accounts with Private information. These accounts are stolen or have a stolen CC with them. Just look at the price of the account. It is unlawful to sell another person's information online. . . even if it is your own.
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Sure, I guess it's clear for everyone that the guy isn't legit when he sells 90 games for a tenner.
But I'm talking about selling accounts in general that's probably legal (too lazy to link that discussion about the ECJ decissions again.), but will you get banned. Thats what I tried to say.
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no, because your account is tied to your personal information. Selling your information is just as illegal as selling someone else's. This is the core of why selling accounts is against the law. A steam account is tied to an E-mail, pay play, credit-card information. You need some way of making the account. If you are creating an account using fake info it don't matter. . . even made up fake id is still a sale of Identity.
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Maybe in the UK, but in the US, personal information is collected and sold quite often. Even our state and city governments collect and sell our information to private parties.
ATT, Verizon, Experian, Facebook, Google, Yahoo, thousands of others. First and Last name, telephone number, address, email, last assessment of the home, criminal history and so on. All pretty damn easy to find. The only thing protected would be any CC numbers.
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To add that: I have no cc and I have no personal info connected with Steam aside from my E-Mail adress, which I need to change in order to sell the account anyway.
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its illegal? Somebody better tell...well damn near everybody, my info gets sold by and to random third parties constantly more or less without my permission just because I never explicitly said not to(while not being given any way of doing so whatsoever or even indication anything was begin collected half the time) and was dumb enough to put it on the internet where they could take it. Why shouldn't I be able to sell it when I know exactly what and to who and it benefits me personally instead? I for one have no creditcard tied to steam, no info at all except a username an email address and a password(that is different than my email) so I sell this account change the email and password, who's info did I sell?
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so any used game sold for less than its worth is obviously stolen yes? gamestop offers what $5(store credit) for a used game? I don't know who's dumb enough to sell to them instead of through ebay but there you go, they've always got tons of used stock. must all be stolen
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It isn't "another person's information" if it's your own, is it? As for selling personal information in general, you might want to look into how google and facebook make their money. If these accounts are stolen that is obviously against the law, but you don't know that. Perhaps the original owners sold them to this dealer because they needed some quick cash and didn't have anything else of value to hock, in which case it's merely a breach of valve's TOS and they can ban you if they want but that's about it.
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It is called breach of contract. Which is illegal.
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It what country can you be arrested for breach of contract? What is the fine and or prison term for such a foul dead? This is from a government agency and does not include any civil actions like suing for damages.
Breach of contract is a CIVIL matter, not a legal matter. Can the legal system get involved, yes, but it is not "illegal" to breach a contract and the extent of any legal system involvement will use the civil courts only.
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Breach of contract is a legal clause. There is a law for it and breakin a contract breaks that law. Just because punishemt for breaking it doesn't involve imprisonment it's not any more legal than murder.
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Unless European Union has some backwards definition of acontract, any EULA is a contract.
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microsofts EULA's have been ruled i dont know unenforcable might be the word in the past iirc, till a court says its legally enforcable its valve's wishful thinking to my mind, im not saying their wouldnt be conesequences to breaking it but i dont believe theyd be legally enforced, also im playing devil's advocate here i personally think anyone selling or buying a steam acc is very very foolish, i just loathe people throwing the whim of big corporations having any say in actual lawmaking, they have to pay massive bribe er i mean lobbying fees to get their will into law
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You're playing a fool. It's no different if it is a big corporation or two neighbours, you signed a contract you can be held liable for breking it.
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No, he is right:
In good old Germany the EULA is nulled as a contract in several cases, one of them beeing that you have to click "I agree to the licence agreement" in order to install your software. In that case signing the EULA is just stating you will and my will can change. Also on a sidenote: the German Consumer protection Center is alredy sueing Valve for not letting us selling our games, the court in Berlin starts it's work at 21.01.2014.
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it will lose. Video games do not sell games, but terms of license. . . Kind of like going to laser tag or doing a round of golf. They don't sell the actual game. That is why piracy cases lose all the time. There is no selling of goods only services.
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what the fuck does this have to do with you? nosy fucking people
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bb...bbut...but they're RIPPING OFF STEAM!!!11ONE you can't sell something you own, they gotta buy a new copy. (don't want gabbin pulling a skinny tibetan buddah do you? quit taking food out of his mouth! bastard.)
(also ermaygawd some random listed a bunch of assumptions in the comments, SURELY that guy who never bought one knows whats up, call the cops)
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You don't own your account, neither do you own any games on it. All you own is the righ to play them.
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That's not Valve's invention and is trues for any intellectual property such as movies, music, novels etc.
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How do you know what Valve's intentions are when it comes to their silly "software as a service" rules?
As far as I'm concerned, consumer-level video game licenses are a last-ditch effort by software publishers and content providers to maintain the illusion of control they've been pissing themselves about since day one.
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Notice how I said "invention", not "intentions". That means that since time immemorial it's always been that way. Atari even sued Activision because the latter started making games for 2600.
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nope. I can sell a book, I can sell my dvds ect, can't make copies but I can sell the one I've got....and nobody is making copies of steam its just the one copy. so using your statement that steam=book....how is it different than putting a cd or url on ebay?
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Like most people you confuse data with medium. While you own a medium, you don't own the data that is stored on it.
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I'd be confusing data with medium if I was selling the data without the medium attached(ex: "hey you want my cd? sure I'll send you the mp3, I own it"). there is no functional difference selling a disk vs a key. I'm not talking about cracking my games free of steam and distributing that. you're now arguing I own my steam keys/profile then?
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except ex: the people who bought a skyrim disk and found (after opening (so they cannot return it) and trying to install because it is not very clearly labeled...for that matter where does it say anything on that box about buying a lease not a game at all?)that they needed a steam account anyway and so didn't own their physical copy
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Do you care if someone is killing someone somewhere, or do you think it's okay unles the victim is you?
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This thread is about a crime. Do you condone a crime if it's not done to you?
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It is irrelevant what crime it is about. If you condone one, you condone all of them. Basically you're saying that unless it is done to you personally, the entire world can burn.
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you brang up murder, don't try get out of what you said. if the crime isn't effecting me then YES i don't give a fuck./ the entire world can burn? lol what. why you so dramatic ? did one of these accounts get stolen from you? if not derp why care
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Because it hurts the service. Because it can have dire consequences. Because it ca happen to you. Because if people cease abiding the law the society will crumble.
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It does not hurt the service in anyway possible and what dire consequences? Prove it can happen to "you". And if most people stop going by the law causes a "society" to crumble, then it wasn't a real society to begin with.
BTW, the above was meant for just selling accounts the seller(s) own/made, or even bought themself and sell later again. Selling stuff that don't belong to them is bad. But who gives a flying poo about theft when we can't even stop murder? I'd rather live in a world with high theft rates and no murder rate then a world with low (or no) theft rate and ANY sort of murder rate.
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Well, it hurts the service because Valve and game publishers don't get money. Which could to them getting bankrupt. Which leaves people with no games.
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That's an extremely stilted world view you have there. First off, beastt is not condoning anything. Secondly, having an ambivalent attitude towards a law or particular set of laws does not mark one as ambivalent towards all remaining laws. You come off like a nutter when you make such accusations.
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its against ebays terms as you cannot sell most digital items on ebay
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this was the original sale that got my attention in the first place....
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Hilarious, this guy has the full account details posted right in the advertisement.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Steam-Account-/321288356705?pt=UK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS&hash=item4ace474361
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These must go due to personal reasons. The account is in Good Standing and no game is banned.
No Refunds and a quick transfer of the account once payment is made.
That doesn't sound fishy at all. Whoever bought those accounts deserve what they get.
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I think there is a small amount of people who sell their steam account because they don't want to play video games anymore or they are too busy to play them anymore. But I believe there is also amount people selling account for profit. And some bad guys could retrieve their account later.
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1- It's illegal to sell steam accounts
2- It would be not suspect if he was selling 1 account or lots of accounts with 1 game each one (people selling accounts often activate one single key for account and after playing it they sell the account)
3- If he/she sells too many accounts with many games, they can be:
a- Stolen.
b- Bought by him/her for reselling.
But, considering the prices low for the steam account (how can a 100+ game be sold for £80?), I think the first one is the
true one.
4- Even if they are not stolen, you risk buying a steam account, especially if it has been bought and re-selled many times (Steam support may have some suspicions), because Steam support can ban it and take legal actions (in the licence agreement is specified the account belongs to Valve, if I remember right, so you can't sell it, it's not yours, you have only the right to play the games).
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Its not illegal, its against the TOS. Quite different.
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Well,i've read like half or 3 quarters of the page
BOTTOM LINE IS - IN EUROPE, MOST TOSes and EULAs THAT FUCK US UP,CAN BE NULLED/nullified/VOIDED AND AS SOMEONE ELSE SAID exampling Valve, SOME DAY SOME COURT(S) WILL DIG DEEPER INTO THE STEAM,ORIGIN,UPLAY,GFWL(well GFWL will be gone yayy,cant wait for DarkSouls 1 servers by Steam :X & properly patched up so we dont have to), ORIGIN,Desura etc;and when they do dig up there,^_^ oh but we can't wait to see that.
So yeah,most TOSes and EULAs fuck us up,the customers, & once Europe gets a hold of that,the rest of the world will too :) .
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Well,if STEAM/ORIGIN/UPLAY/GFWL/DESURA does somethin like that,EU COURTS WILL FUCK THEM UP 10 TIMES MORE THAN THEIR TOSes & EULAs do to us :) . How's that ^_^. And i'm talkin big numbers :D heck,Europe could use some easy Benjaminz from those greedy corporates :D
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Not even getting into legality, it's against TOS, etc. It's just plain stupid to buy an account from someone or even to take an account someone gives to you.
As someone who worked support for a gaming company, you would not believe the sheer number of stolen accounts that came just from a "friend" giving another friend their account. Or a "friend" letting someone use their email to create an account. What happens is they change their mind and then they either go in and hijack the account or they claim it was stolen. Either way, the company the account is with is going to side with the original creator of the account or lock both parties out if they cannot determine that either person is the owner. I put friend in quotes there, because no real friend would pull some of the shit I've seen people pull, yet it happens every day.
The same holds true if the account is bought. The person who sold it (assuming they actually owned it and didn't steal it), can easily claim it was stolen and regain access.
And that doesn't even begin to get into using other people's emails on your account, having someone create the account for you in your name, using fake info, etc. Seriously, create your own account with your info. It's just incredibly stupid to obtain an account from someone else or have someone else create the account for you (exception to this is a parent creating an account for their child who is a minor). Using an account that you did not create is just asking for the account to be stolen and at best that will be a loss of time put into it, at worst can be a loss of a lot of money put into the account.
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OR the Steam Accounts were his first. I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Asia, where MMORPGs rule; competitive edge is important. And the quickest way to get that is through account buying.
It's pretty common. You'd be amazed how much people are willing pay for shortcuts. It's often a lucrative way to get rid of an account that you'll never play again. There was this one guy who paid my friend $300 for a level capped, epic equipped character. My cousin actually had this as an after school job. People were handing him $50 per account.
Illegal and considered black market stuff. But has that ever stopped the population?
This seller on Ebay doesn't surprise me.
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Why not? If steam accounts are cheaper than the games itself. I don't really care though. Pointeless thread.
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...and yet you came in , read it, AND wrote a response.
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World of Warcraft account selling used to be pretty bad on there until Blizzard and eBay cracked down. It was funny that some were under the delusion that referring to time already played on the account as a "guide" and putting a "Terms of Use" that forbade Blizzard employees from reading their listing would protect them.
Also, stop calling me Surely.
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I was looking through eBay today and noticed this seller....
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=1337jelly&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=321288197288&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
I noticed he had a steam account for sale with games on, so I looked at his feedback and this is what I saw...
SURELY these are stolen accounts right?
SURELY these accounts would get banned once purchased?
SURELY the original owner would be able to retrieve their accounts using the proper channels?
The accounts he has sold have had games on that out valued what he got for the sale......
is this legal?
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