How We're Planning to Fix Bundle Keys and Contributor Values (Option #1)

Very good move and I like it :D! Keep up the good work <3

Baaaad i got a giftable copy of amnesia not from bundles

I think it is a great idea for a change.
With this change you should also add in brackets (bundle game) next to each game that was part of a bundle in the "Create Giveaway", so it is completely clear.
One possible solution could also be, no keys, only Steam inventory gifts.

My new contributor value will be $9.59 Its not fair because 4 of 6 my giveaways (Hl Ep1, Hacker Duality, Limbo and Nuclear Dawn) was a gifts, not bundle keys.
My suggestions:
-When user create giveaway he must choose gift or key he give away, and then the winner must confirm it.
-Need to create correct list of bundle games (Amnesia is a part of hib5 key and shall not be considered).
-And must be considered when the giveaway was created (I give away Limbo before hib5 started).

I have mixed feelings about that... Maybe if there were option to contact support with a proof of purchase of game in question and if everything was ok it would be marked as not a bundle game?

Yes, Nice!

This is going to destroy my contributor value.
This will have no affect on the vast majority of our users, and only begins to adjust values on those that have submitted a higher than usual amount of bundle games.
While I agree with the ideas premise, it seems to be a little too broad, for example my contributor will be nearly halved and yet I've not given out keys from bundles, but games I am interested in giving away were part of bundles. I've just found out Nuclear Dawn was part of a bundle yet none of my copies are from bundles (you'd be mad to think I have 200 copies of a bundle),

I don't quite understand. $24.96 ($11.99)
All of the games I bought on steam with a purpose to donate. Now the value is cut down by more than a half?

I'd like to see this. I'd be able to do a giveaway for keys from a bundle that I'm not going to use or already have without feeling bad about it. Sounds great!

Sounds good to me, I give thumbs up.But now I lose my job for reporting giveaways. ;_; how will I GO ON LIVING WITHOUT MEANING?!

Oh well... I guess I can always just look for "GUEST PASS" and "OOPS I MEAN A GIVEAWAY BY ACCIDENT" giveways..

I do have one question that needs answering. (well I think it's a good question...)

What does this mean for Humble Bundles? By that I mean...

Can people make Amnesia giveaways with Humble Bundle keys?(though I guess giving the whole url for the Humble Bundle would be better for value? I think.)

What about Humble Bundles that have have 2 different Humble Bundles? (EX:I have HB4 that includes HB3 as well)
Do I need the URL Still? Or can I create 2 separate giveaways now? One for HB4 and one HB3 and email/add the winners and give it to them?

All this hassle and drama because of status and how one gained the goods he/she is giving away. I'll repeat what I said in a similar thread; the last thing you'll care about when you win your dream game like Skyrim is that if the gifter paid for it or not. I'll also repeat that I think the contributor system was obsolete even before it came to exist. You had group giveaways, you even had private giveaways for which you could tell who could join and you could exclude the ones you didn't think worthy of it. All the contributor giveaways are doing in my opinion, is granting some people to make giveaways, but exclude those who have no jobs yet, or are in huge debts, or were robbed by the samurai maffia; basically people who don't have the means to contribute, quite possibly just yet. These giveaways make me think that the person giving away sometimes just thinks, "Oh, I'll give this to someone, but not to anyone who's definitely not going to let ME have a chance to win something". It's not that you don't have the right to think that, there are leechers too, they always will be there. But I'd rather include the leechers to have a chance, rather than become some elitist asshole that thinks gifting is a trade of some weird sort.

Someone also commented on that past thread that I should never underestimate greed, as people are abusing this system to have better odds at winning. I stand by my past statement that these odds are not increasing greatly, and that anyone who thinks it's worth risking a suspend or a ban is a complete idiot. And while we are on the subject of greed, I see a lot of people complaining about their contributor value decreasing, even though they gave away the bundle games before the bundles themselves (might I add, they complain rightuflly so). What makes those people less greedy than the bundlers exactly? Both are after the higher chances, it's just that one of them is looked down upon for he got his gifts for free or for extremely cheap.

As for this change, while at its core it's a great idea, it will bring some harm to people you'd rather not want to cause harm to. You basically shelved a rule you had way before contributor values and such (individual bundle keys) and hurt some of your loyal gifters in the process. Therefore the bundlers are good to go, because they won't be suspended anymore, and I'm sure a lot of them won't care about contributor value, as they simply don't read the rules about them; while the other half of the coin will bring you people complaining and feeling cheated.

I know a a lot of you will disagree with all this, and my views may be darker and more uncomfortable than usual, but it's still my opinion. I don't care about contributor values, wether it's mine or yours; I'll never make any contributor giveaways, and it's not because I'm not thankful for the gifters of this site, but because I don't feel like excluding those who can't afford some games even for themselves. People who we probably should help the most, since, you know, we are giving away free stuff when we can.

It sounds reasonable enough, though I can see this being not fair for people who gaveaway games before they were in bundles, or even after, but bought them legitimately. Let's say someone made amnesia, bastion, super meat boy giveaways before they appeared in hib v (or before for smb), all legitimately and yet their contribution value would be 0? Hardly sounds fair to me.

You could battle that with implementing a system that checks when those giveaways were created and if they were before they appeared in a bundle give them full price. If it's after, implement the system described in OP. For fairness sake you could also allow users to prove their giveaway didn't come from a bundle by some sort of proof of purchase (pretty sure steam tracks that, so does amazon etc) if the giveaway was created before the system described in OP went live. Though I can imagine you'd get swamped with support tickets again :(

(maybe not the right place to say this here but shouldn't you set csgo and dota keys to 0 value too? they are completely free afterall (unless someone actually bought a dota2 invite from the store) and don't give access to the full game after beta (and dota2 will be f2p anyways!). kinda seems weird to allow them to give a moderately high contribution value.)

EDIT: is the calculator broken or am I missing something? :o
Value $126.91 ($110.32) <<-- pretty sure I didn't giveaway any bundle games, correct me if I'm wrong! :D

Also I don't think that games from HIB should be included in this as almost none has separate key so it is impossible to separate those games from bundles (Super meat boy for example).

I´m not sure if I this was suggested before, if so I´ve missed it:

Wouldn´t the easiest solution be to remove the contributor value feature?
If you want to give something to specific people you´ve got the option to do this in groups or do a private giveaway and hand the link only to people you would want to win. This has been and is still working so the contributor value is just an additional feature to "sort" who can enter your giveaway and who can´t. In my opinion this is causing more problems than it´s doing good, otherwise there probably won´t be this thread (without contributor value nearly noone would care about the bundle giveaways if we are honest).
The people who can enter the really high contributor value giveaways are in most cases in groups anyway, so instead of being contributor based the giveaways move to groups. If someone wants to do public giveaways and limit it to someone who at least tried somehow to give back to the community most people could live with just the option "Winner must have done a succesful giveaway" where it doesn´t matter how much it was actually worth, I guess.

But that´s just my two cents

Sounds good to me, my only comment is that there is a pre-dating feature... IE a giveaway for an Indie game ended BEFORE the game went in a bundle the users contribution is left intact, if the giveaway ends during or after the game is in bundle then value drops.

The /update seems not to work correctly if you say it does I do not agree! Also this is not fair for people that did buy the games after bundles did end (gift) as they get lower contribution too

There can't be an ideal solution but this one seems like a very good one. It is fair enough, it eliminates lot of work for the mods allowing them to focus on more important issues and like you said it does away with a lot of negativity in the community.

I suppose these questions/suggestions have been brought up before but I don't have the time to check the entire thread so here goes. 20% seems like a reasonable amount but how did you reach it? Did you analyze the impact various percentages would have on the contribution value of users? The only other suggestion I would have was to exclude the bundle games that were submitted before they were part of a bundle. I don't know how your system works but you register the date of a giveaway's creation, right? If so all it would take is to check the submition date against the bundle's release date, no? As is, it could discourage some users, especially those who do not create a lot of giveaways, from submitting games that could end up being in a bundle in the future and that would hurt the variety of giveaways on the site.

There were a lot of proposals for the problem on these forums but it's the first time I read this one.
And I like it, I think it's the best and fairest proposal to fix the bundle issues and I guess it significantly reduces the moderators' workload.

The easiest solution would be to have bundle games (and games that were given away free by the thousands) count as $0 to contributor value.

i don't have any problem with this :)
please consider counted DIRT3 as bundle games because some people reach > $500 just from DIRT3 and most likely using the exploited key.

People will just give out less indie and small developer games, since those will eventually end up in a bundle of some kind.

only problem is what if the games that have been in a bundle at one time are not from a bundle; They still reduce it to £0 or 20% and the person paid for that game to give it away, without any reconciliation in the terms of contributor value.

I do realise this will be the case in very few times, however it still will hurt people with genuine games from none bundle sources.

Why not just do away with contributor value entirely.
Replace it with a simple contributor flag.
Contributor giveaways would be enter-able by anyone who has contributed, regardless of value.

tbh, it may have been a good idea if contributor value didnt exist, people do private 2 entry giveaways then whatever, bundle keys, whatever.