RIP I'm no professional so I don't actually know, but I do hope you figure it out, Tempete. <3
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I really doubt a PSU issue could cause this kind of glitch, but it does sound like the port in the GPU could be faulty/burnt. Have you tried to boot in safe mode to make sure it isn't a driver's issue? Maybe you can connect your GPU to your monitor using a different kind of port?
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I haven't thought about that, I'll try once I'll find the courage to unplug/plug everything again
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If you see a lot of graphical artifacts on screen, then it's very likely that it is the GPU. Check to see if there's anything physically wrong with it (like any damaged caps). The only way to really make sure that that's where the issue is would be to find another GPU and test that in your computer, or put your current GPU in another computer and see if the problems remain.
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I'm not an expert, but maybe you should also check if there's everything alright with your monitor?
Since the screenshot looks normal, GPU seems to have no problem with generating a proper image.
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But I'm using my monitor right now with the motherboard GPU and I don't have any problem, so doesn't that mean my monitor is fine ?
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Oh, right. Well, as I said, I'm not an expert. But if there was a possibility to do that, I'd probably try connecting another one, just to be sure. And I'd also try connecting it to another GPU port, if there's any.
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screenshots will generally look good even if your GPU is dying. If you're getting a lot of graphic glitches due to overheating or a faulty GPU in a game, then that's one thing, those will show up in a screenshot, but if you're getting strange artifacts on screen "normally", like green streaks and such, then those are unlikely to show up in a screenshot.
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I don't know the ins and outs of how GPUs works on a technical level, but I have had 3 die on me (which is generally when i bother getting a new computer), and all 3 times, there has been artifacts on screen that don't show up on screenshots. So I'm just speaking from experience, not from a good understanding of the technical side of things.
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What were your GPU temps like when it was fucking up? Could be a cooling issue if which case you might get lucky and be able to salvage it... or unlucky if its taken the PCI-E with it. PSU is possible but tbh they just tend to die completely, if nothing else has power issues it would be fairly unusual. Same goes with monitor problems, if your having no issue with the iGPU I'd look elsewhere first.
Honestly PC problems are a bitch to diagnose without spare parts.
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I don't know exactly. It first happened while I was playing Blue Estate and I don't think it's very intensive for the GPU. I tried a stress test after restarting, and for the few seconds before the screen went black I think I saw 50°C. I remember last summer I had temperatures close to 90°C without any issues.
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Hmm, 90C is quite high, your VRM/VRAM or related circuitry might be damaged and be the cause.
It doesn't have to fail with 3DMark or Crysis 3 at 4K, it is just the moment that some atoms decide to move because of wear.
Aren't you supposed to Support yourself? :P
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That was last year though, I have no idea what temperature it was when this happened
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Consistent temps aren't a problem, more if your cooler has stalled, the paste has died, etc, etc. Would be my first port of call to check though frankly if you were running it for too long in that case it's likely to be fried. Honestly a dead GPU seems the most liekly suspect but as I say, without spares to swop in its often impossible to be sure.
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No idea, my blacklist has people who are obnoxious on the forums and when I'm bored I'll occasionally go through people who drop messages on my giveaways and block those with unfortunate profiles. If I had to guess it seems you lock away almost all your giveaways in threads and groups yet still enter my public ones. Seems a little uncool, you know what I mean? :)
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guys, a polite discussion on Blacklisting?
i had to rub eyes to believe ;)
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people who are obnoxious on the forums
I don't fit this description, unless you consider a few shitposts "obnoxious".
those with unfortunate profiles
I know that many people dislike anime, weebs, and such... are you one of those?
you lock away almost all your giveaways in threads and groups
Yes, I don't like dealing with bots and leeches, but I make some public ones every once in a while.
yet still enter my public ones.
I never entered any of your giveaways. And I rarely enter public giveaways.
Seems a little uncool, you know what I mean?
I somewhat agree with this statement... and that's why I don't do it.
Your turn!
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As I say was just a guess, way too lazy to keep track :)
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Truce? I didn't realise we were arguing. But if you're suggesting it be removed, no, sorry.
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Well, putting someone on a blacklist is pretty much the same as arguing with them, only in digital form.
Since I don't recall having said or done anything nasty, I proposed a truce.
But I don't want to force you to "like" me, I'm perfectly fine if that's your final decision.
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Not really, there's no antagonism, it simply saying I'd rather give someone else free stuff. Normally it's something I do quietly without drama but as you asked I tried to offer my criteria for doing so. Sorry it wasn't as helpful as you'd have liked.
Be happy o/
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Indies can actually be some of the worst culprits when it comes to wrecking your GPU. It would have been interesting to see what framerate you had in your game. If there was nothing limiting the game from running at a stupidly high frame rate, then that might have overheated your GPU
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I have a similar thing on my laptop, but restarting it fixes the problem, like nothing happened and it only happens once every 2 months randomly. The trigger seems to be starting a game in full screen in my case. My screenshots also appear normal while this is happening, but this is how it looks like http://prntscr.com/bwiwf0 (low quality phone image). Trying different drivers didn't help. I haven't found a solution yet, but I hope this information helps you.
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damn, this is odd.
so the GPU renders the image, cause the screenshots are fine. so everything works
but when it sends it to the monitor all hell breaks lose?!
sounds like an annoying reason to replace GPU.
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I suppose I'm luckier since it only happens when I start a game, quite rarely too and a simple pc restart solves it, so no real need to replace it. But it's very odd, it's not even dying, because I have had this problem for 2 years now.
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2 years!? Guinness world of record for a faulty GPU ;)
i'm just looking for an excuse to open a can
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Sure, go ahead, at least someone will be happy from this misfortune :)
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now, the real mission.
convincing the Wife i can have a beer with good reason
not that i need approval
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I think this is the perfect time to start being more open about your beer needs, not having to explain yourself feels good :P
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My gf had the same problem with her Samsung laptop. Solder that connects GPU with motherboard was getting weak because of high temperatures so your GPU loses electrical connection with motherboard. There are ways to fix this though.
DIY fixes are heating your motherboard with hot air gun or even putting your motherboard in stove and heating it up. I wouldn't recommend that stuff because it may fix the problem but it may re-appear at any time again...
Science behind this is that temperature is high enough that GPU solder melts and get hard again so that it physically reconnects to motherboard.
Other fix is that you bring your motherboard to a professional who then does "reballing" process to your motherboard. In other words he takes the GPU chip off the motherboard, cleans it, and then puts new, fresh layer of solder and then puts GPU chip back.
NOTE: Once you reball your GPU it should last at least for 6 months but eventually it may break again so best solution is to replace your laptop or GPU on your PC
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I think you are on to something with the high temperatures story, I had overheating issues before which may have weakened the connection. Reballing wouldn't make sense here because the GPU renders the screenshots just fine.
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I'm not a pro in PC stuff but I hope you're not experiencing the same thing my GF did.
Most annoying thing is that it's just random... she had red/black flickering at windows startup, then fully working safe mode. Later when she did a restart she could boot normally and work on her laptop for at least 30 minutes, then problem starts again... At one point her laptop screen wouldn't even turn on and then she bought a new laptop. Few months later I tried to turn on her laptop and now it works OK lol but it's old and collecting dust now :D
We never tried to take a screenshot while she was experiencing problems because in most cases when flickering starts, windows crashes and laptop has to reboot.
Best think would be to try to connect it to external monitor and see if problem persists
GL fixing it :)
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It's a bit different, because you can continue doing anything without problems if you are ok with your screen being split in half :D
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I wouldn't point my finger to the PSU, it seems very unlikely to me.
If your GPU has another port to connect to monitor, you should try that.
Are you using the same cable with motherboard GPU, or another one ? because it could also come from a faulty cable.
Trying safe mode as suggested can give clues, I'd also try to download latest drivers, uninstall current, and make a fresh install. But I don't think drivers are the most likely cause of the problem.
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I would suggest it is an overheating gpu. While they can handle much greater temps than cpus (mainly because a visual artefact isn't a deal breaker whereas the equivalent in a cpu is a crash) running them at too high a temperature can cause problems over time.
If you have access to another gpu I would suggest plugging that in for a test run. If this has no problems then it is very likely to be the original gpu is going to die. You could possibly stretch out the lifetime of it by underclocking the card or limiting the frame rate (ie instead of 60 fps doing half vsynch and chopping it off at 30).
I would suggest frame limiting as a better option to begin with and then moving to underclocking if need be.
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Don't have acces to another GPU besides the one integrated in the motherboard.
I'm not really looking to fix it since I was planning to upgrade it this year anyway, I mainly want to make sure the GPU is the issue and not something else
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Not too much else I can suggest really. I would hazard a guess that it is the gpu. But unfortunately I can't really do more than guess.
Good luck with it though.
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you can try a few last steps:
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Monitor is working fine with the GPU from the motherboard.
I don't really get the overclocking suggestion, why would I do that ? It's already not working properly in standard conditions
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in this case. only GPU remains
do you got any other connections? can you check them?
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it could be just that the gpu has gathered some dust.
happened to me several times, can you vacuum it? or better yet, do you have air pressure to blow on it?
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This is a problem in reality, i started having issues when i cleaned it one of the times (i usually clean before hot weather becomes a thing and after its over). For some reason the GPU was having random crashes and freezing, took me 3 months to fix the damn thing.
Cleaning is nice but it can also cause connectivity issues. Talking from self experience right here.
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Adding more voltage can help making a card stable. Overtime gpu can degrade requiring more voltage to keep the same frequencies they shipped with, low voltages can produce artifacts and crashes. You can even downlock it (clocks lower than the base ones) too see if the artifacting stops.
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ha, this makes sense. didn't know that...
you really think the gpu needs the complete voltage?
i always assume it gets a bit over juice to compensate for long duration.
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sounds like gpu issue to me, what make model is it? did you google for similar issues? and depending on who makes it, it might be warrantied still, my MSi card that recently died, i was about to just order a new card when i said wth and checked the product page where I ordered it, and it has a 3 year manufacturer warranty.
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Sapphire Radeon HD 6870, have it since 2011 so I'm pretty sure the warranty is over. Anyway I wanted to upgrade this year so I don't think I would have send it back.
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Yeah, probably a 1070, though I will consider a 1060 or whatever AMD released too
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I think the GTX 1060 is a great idea for someone on a budget who wants GTX 980 performance, but if $100 more gets you a card better than a GTX Titan, then my advice would be save for the 1070 if you can :)
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It's 200€ of difference here though, 300-400 vs 500-600 (there's even a 1070 at 700€)
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PSU: Be Quiet Pure Power L7 - 530W
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1Go
RAM: G.Skill Kit Extreme3 2 x 4 Go PC15000 Sniper CAS 9
CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K
MB: Asus P8Z68-V LX
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get sapphire trixx and make custom fan profile, target temp 70C
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Just an aside, but I think it might be helpful for these hardware specs to be added to your original post to help new people replying to this thread to offer their help.
Also, if you do end up upgrading your GPU to something more current, I would suggest taking a look at Newegg's PSU calculator to gauge whether your current PSU is adequate for the new card. If you do a Google search for "PSU calculator", you'll find other ones (vendor-based or otherwise), and it definitely wouldn't hurt to get multiple opinions from those as well.
While everyone will have a different opinion on how much wattage is adequate for a given build, something that nearly everyone would probably agree on is that, in general, an inadequate wattage PSU can wear out components faster.
I will let others with much more technical savvy than myself offer up actual solutions.
Best of luck to you and your issue.
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wait, print sscreen was fine?
the problem is connections. either screen, cable or indeed GPU connection damaged.
if you see the picture on scrennshot the gpu is fine - it is making the picture, the screen is not displaying it properly.
got another cable or monitor? can you plug that monitor to a laptop?
isolate the problem before jumping to GPU conlusions
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Cable & monitor are working fine with the motherboard GPU
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/2vJGTqG
he is trying....
these fast discussion, i also don't read them all ;)
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I have 2x DVI and 1x HMDI, I was using one of the DVI, I'll try the other ones
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no. go the DVI.
if the gpu is not sending the data correctly, it could use another method for the dvi
yes, both are digital, but not the same so...
just a though
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Ah, you beat me to it, TinyPurple. My first instinct was that it was a loose (or possibly damaged) cable. Having worked in IT, I've seen a number of graphical "glitches" that were simply a result of a loose cable and were fixed simply by re-seating the cable. :)
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Visual glitches are an indication of your GPU dying from my experience. I'm 99% sure (I would say 100 but you never know) it's your GPU failing from what you've said. It's extremely unlikely that it's your PSU.
Edit: also when your GPU is failing, the longer it's on the worse the visual glitches get, from my experience.
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I had a similiar issue once in my old laptop, except it was horizontal. Had to replace the screen of my laptop or something like that to fix it (well i didn't do it, it was the technician that did it but its what he told me).
It could very well be an issue with your monitor, try plugging your pc to a TV see if it still happens. Could also be something isn't properly plugged in your pc, i had an issue not long ago where my computer would crash/freeze often when playing certain games, while some others would be less often to cause the issue. I thought it was faulty drivers, fixed the drivers, the issue seemed to have gone for like a week then it returned. Then i started playing around with the hardware, removing cables and putting them back in, using the trial and error method. Managed to fix the problem by removing the GPU PCIE cables and plugging them back in, one of the two cables plugged into the GPU was causing issues from what i understood.
EDIT: Should also add that i googled alot about this issue, people told me that GPU was most likely dying or was faulty. Also saw alot of people with identical issues, some of them solved the problem one way or another, some people didn't even care and simply just bought out new hardware.
Whatever you do, don't buy a GPU without trying to fix the problem, i was thinking on buying one without giving it a shot because i'm lazy as hell, as you can see i ended up saving money and am still using my good old asus gtx 670. Which has barely been forced to heavy gaming duty that much.
As for the PSU, i'm not sure if its the main problem. It could be... Can't really comment much about that but it's hard to accept the PSU being at fault, unless faulty cables, similiar to what i had. Could also be GPU being faulty.
Try doing some trial and error fixes on your own, Unplug cables related to PSU and GPU and plug them back in, see if things are working better. Remove the GPU from the PCI slot and put it in a new one or simply reattach the GPU to the slot, removing and placing it again. Try dusting off if you haven't already. Try a new display device see if it still happens. Try new HDMI cables. Try new PCIE cables. Try googling for similiar issues with solutions/hints. Try switching the resolution and the VSYNC options for your gpu (alot of the screen tearing in games is caused by these 2 factors, along with a few others, i know your are getting the issue outside of gaming, but might be worth checking it out).
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You could just try to just take the gpu out of the case
and then insert it again..
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that is actually a very good idea.
i do that with RAM all the time ;)
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Do you have a spare GPU lying around anywhere? If not, I'd suggest getting a really cheap one for testing purpose, it can be very useful to diagnose problems with your computer's graphics.
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It's your GPU.
I had upgraded my PC since 2012 with newer graphics card (Sapphire 6870).
A couple of months ago, the same thing happened to me. If I restarted my system, the image returned back to normal, but after a few minutes the screen refreshed and the image was again cut in half, swapping parts on my screen, just like yours.
Completely removing and reinstalling drivers didn't work.
Replacing it and putting my old graphics card back (ASUS EAH3870), I had no more problems.
I still haven't checked what's wrong with the faulty card, in case it needs some simple maintenance or any possible part replacement...
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Almost definitely not a PSU issue,
Almost definitely a GPU issue (especially now that you're using the mobo GPU, and it's working fine). If you're not sure, you could go to some computer service and ask them if they can try plugging another GPU in to check if it works with that also. If yes, then.,. yep, your GPU is dead.
EDIT: Also, might wanna try cleaning inside the computer and checking if all the cables are in order (especially those connected to the GPU)
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Assuming that you are using the same video connection to the igpu as you were to the Radeon 6870 and it is working fine I would say that eliminates a cabling issue unless its the connector itself. Secondly, If you have the same problem after rebooting the computer I would say that its most likely not the power supply as the 6870 shouldn't be under full load. This leaves either over heating, driver or hardware failure as the cause. If you try and use the 6870 again after using the igpu for a while does it occur again immediately? If not, you can try and open the case and blow out the gpu fan on the 6870 and then download Furmark (which will put the gpu under full load) and watch the gpu temperature closely to see if it occurs at or around a certain temperature.
Disclaimer: If you use furmark and your computer spontaneously combusts its not my fault.
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If the on-board GPU works fine, it is almost your dedicate GPU doesn't work normally.
Do you also see the same problem when you boost to BIOS?
If so, it is also unlikely a software driver's problem and I am afraid your dedicate GPU might be dead.
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Now I really believe your GPU is dead.
Usually if there is a port connection, the glitches will show up in the whole screen instead of partially.
Maybe some inner parts are loosen or broken.
I think it is totally risk-free for you to buy a new GPU.
However, if you do find that the problem is not from GPU (maybe reset BIOS or something), please report, if possible.
I will be interested to know the answer.
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So, my screen suddently teared in half vertically, with each half inverted (the left half of my screen was on the right side and vice versa). Restarting my computer only made things worse since not only it happened again but various visual glitches started to appear too.
I don't know if that is relevant, but I took a screenshot when the screen was teared and the image looks completely normal on it.
So of course I'm guessing this is a GPU failure, but how do I make sure of this ? It would be silly to order a new GPU only to realize the issue is still there once I have it. Could it be the PSU for example ? Right now I'm using the motherboard GPU (why the hell is it so much noisier ?) and it's working fine, but I suppose it uses much less power so I can't completely disregard the PSU yet. Or is there anything else that could cause these issues ?
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