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Also Steam Achievement Manager (SAM) users should get some kind of bans. Achievements should be cute challenges, but some people abusing that and use stupid programs to unlock those...

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There are some of us that use SAM for a different reason, so I really hope they don't bring that in.

Having a monthly data cap means I'd rather not waste it downloading a shit game I only want to get the trading cards from. :P

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Idle Master says hello.

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SAM is a complicated issue, but if there was to be punishment for cheating achievements, I think the better thing to do in such cases would be to ban those players from having achievements counted - that way they don't affect anyone else and there's no need to ban them from still enjoying the game themself. Before even considering such a thing though, I would want to see the whole concept of achievements reworked to make them fairer and more meaningful.

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I don't see any difference ultimately.

How many devs have the time to trog through forums, find a person that doesn't like their product, and then submit a ban? That situation may occur, but you know it would never be the norm. As it stands the devs will be no more likely to ban a gamer than Steam was, and chances are it will still remain largely an automated process monitored by a system looking strictly for cheaters. The only thing this move really does is remove the support burden of handling ban contentions from Steam to the game devs. Since the system is likely to be the same one way versus the other the results will not vary, but the cost is shifted from Steam to devs. If anything, I would worry more about increased game costs out of this v. arbitrary or discriminatory game bans. There is no way most of these companies (especially the smaller ones) have the capacity to handle the support demands this is likely to entail.

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Nice and detailed description on what grounds the ban may be issued.
Main point that's unclear:
is this only a way to offer the equivalent of VAC bans for games that don't use VAC and/or don't use Steamworks ? Or does this go beyond that ?

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Basically VAC-ban for non-VAC games. (Punkbuster, etc.)

Seems like it allows expiring bans thought, unlike VAC. (Overwatch bans are listed as game-bans)

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Steam should definitely add list of games banned in and type (and if expired). False bans would be removed.

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That's basically everyone on games using Punkbuster screwed then.

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I'm completely for systems which allow devs to ban players from 'official' servers where players are cheating with competitive/malicious intent - my dislike of VAC is not so much with the system itself, but a disagreement with making those bans permanent and public.

However, I fear that this is not limited to that - instead, it sounds like they'd be able to ban a player entirely from playing their game (even in single player, or unofficial multiplayer) for any reason, and that's going to make PC gaming more of a closed environment than ever. There may be certain situations where this is reasonable, but devs must make any such rules clear at the point of purchase.

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And yet no dev has banned anyone during last ten years or so from single player.

It's not like they haven't been able to

if (SteamApi->getSteamID() == [banned user]) {
    crash
}

It's just overreaction. :p

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This sounds technically true, though - while most devs are generally pretty awesome people who 'get' gaming - there are a few who seem like they would use this option and just haven't done so yet for what could be a variety of reasons - lack of knowledge of that option, legal concerns, or just trying to avoid the potential shitstorm.

For example, Payday's devs have been strongly against modding and cheating regardless of intent, and have sought options to ban players who aren't harming anyone. I also vaguely remember something about Ubi wanting to ban players who circumvented the censorship in South Park, though that might have been bs.

Like I said, most devs are awesome and this won't be an issue - but there are a few who may see this as an opportunity to do what they want in a way that will now seem more 'acceptable'. I'm not saying we should be against a good system because of a few who abuse it, but there does need to be some clear regulation on it.

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Payday crew have nothing against mods - as long as those are texture changers or sound changers, not DLC-unlockers (usually called cracks).

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Good to see that's changed a bit. Still annoyed at Overkill for a lot of other things, but at least that's a step forward. :)

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Imagine someone digging through code and finding that line.

Especially US company - one million dollars suit, coming right up. :P

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Yeah, you need to hide it cleverly that it looks like a bug.

Edit: Just saying it's not impossible. Don't know if games have used, but forums have modes that it bugs for you when banned, to deter from creating new account.

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+1

I can see that Valve will just agree with any request because of their lack of support staff. Thus leading to a huge number of players being banned from games that they purchased for the wrong reasons. While I see the benefit for multiplayer games, I really fail to see how this can be any good for games that allow SP/MP or that are even SP only.

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So devs will start to ban all of the users who wrote negative review to their games.

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Good, I like it. Ban'em.

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Jim Sterling is fucked.

Fine as long as it works as intended and isn't abused by crappy devs to silence critics/reviews. Any accidental bans could be problematique too, if it's down to devs to manage their own cheat definitions.

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Ban me from accessing the online parts? Fine.
Ban me from accessing the entire game after buying it...well Steam Sales are gonna lose their allure pretty quick and certain other folders and programs that had been seeing very little use will suddenly become my main source of games again.

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Sounds like the obvious thing to do would be to not cheat in the first place. :P

I agree, though, that the ban should apply only to the multiplayer component.

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Pretty sure my slow connection would detected as cheating.

Also I like cheating but only in Single Player, I'd never want to cheat VS a real player even if I could. There are however some games where single player is also online, or is merely multiplayer with AI...and that's where problems begin.

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This is all about multiplayer, eh? Heh, lol ... I don't care. I don't multiplayer. What I like most with steam is, that there's so much choice in old style-single player games - just me and my computer swoon

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And who monitors the dev's decisions?

Though, I doubt this'll affect me much, as I know how to not be a little shit or cheater.

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I wanna be banned on Bad Rats

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Colby already is. Well actually it's a restraining order.

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Now if they care to ban even achievement cheaters would be great too

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That I agree with!

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yes but only for the multiplayers's part if the solo mode don't work isn't a good idea

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Slightly worried.

There's plenty of issues of game devs banning people from forums because they disagree with them - with this, they can ban them from the game too.

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I first read that as WhatIsGabeMan. ╰[ ⁰﹏⁰ ]╯

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Judging by the timing and the rage surrounding GTA5 Online I'm really hoping that this was implemented at the request of companies like rockstar, GTA5 currently has so many cheaters in online mode and R* has been asking people to provide them evidence of people using trainers and such which leads me to assume that they'll pass along the userdata of anyone caught using mods/trainers in online.
It wouldn't fix the problem completely but at least people will think twice before risking their steam account instead of just their Rockstar account.

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I don't play MP games so I don't care.

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So they get rid of paid mods,and come up with another great idea.

Why is steam so bent on adding things that are not needed and can be and will be abused.I hate steam more every day.
The way i see it if they are to lazy to use VAC or some other decent anti-cheat why should they get the power to ban you just cause.

This will lead not only to i do not like your post,i will ban you from playing online if they do not like what you say or do,and just use cheating as the means to do it.I did not have an issue with paid mods,just how steam went about it,
I do not care about banning cheaters,just not how it is done this way i think this will lead to more worthless bans then actually bans for cheating.

What if you cheat offline but not online,will you still get banned?How are the bans handle,do they have to provide proof of it,or just report it?I think this gives to much power to ban people for whatever reason.
I guess time will tell how this plays out,wish there was more detail on how the process works
I just wanted to add i am for banning cheaters i am just afraid this will be abused by some,and i think VAC is fine at keeping most cheating at bay.

I feel if people want to play a game and cheat,that is why they have non vac games,i like vac because you still have options in most games as sometimes it can be just as fun playing with mods/cheats as without as long as it is done proper.

I remember back in the day i am not sure what game it is but it had a cheat that made everyone super fast and it was blast trying kill each other while moving really fast.

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Is this like VAC ban?

Will this affect Family Share users?

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Sounds like something bigger than VAC ban, as VAC ban only blocks you from VAC servers. And game-ban - how can they ban you in Skyrim or Batman: Arkham Asylum?

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Valve Police:Hey, there are bad people out there using hacks and cheats! Let's give guns to these other people to they dispense justice!
Citizen: What if the watchman is a bad person? Doesn't he start shooting innocent people?
Valve Police: None of my business.

Who watches the watchmen?

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Oh Rorschach ... I cry evertim

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Only thing I'd be afraid of is asshole devs... but then again that would probably affect the game rating. We'll see how it goes I suppose

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