Is there a reason I should care? I mean I do and I don't. I can add non-steam games to my library easy enough, and I don't chat and play. What are your personal pros and cons? The reason I am asking is that I have a Steam copy of the Witcher, but own a disc copy and GoG.com copy as well.

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I like keeping my games in one location.

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same here and the service steam provides is pretty good not to mention the sales.

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I can find some sales better than the ones on Steam. All for $30 total on eBay, Divinity 2, Dawn of War including all the expansions, Dawn of War 2 with expansions, Transformers War for Cybertron, Spacemarine, both Supreme Commanders on physical discs.

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Well he never said that Steam had insane/the best sales, but physical copies are nice. I do play several DRM games, but not enough to make a huge impact on anything.

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I know. I was mentioning that like Steam there are awesome deals everywhere. I don't disagree with anyone. These are y'alls opinions and I respect them.

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Some people don't like buying used products and having to wait days to play the game as opposed to buying it online.

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All brand new. Registered the keys online.

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It did take me while to win all those games at great prices.

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People also have to wait for steam sales, so you're probably pretty even on that account

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Pretty much this, + the site is easy to navigate and black is my favorite color

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Black isn't a colour :P. Technically it is a shade OR an absence of reflection of light :| pokerface

Unless it is a pigment/dye sense then it can be classed as a colour. :P

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"Colour" is a rather flexible word - maybe it's better to say that black is not a hue ;)

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Tsk tsk tsk, Black is the combination of the 3 negative colors, so it is a color.

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? Are we going to Gluon colours now? That is the only place I can think of where there is negative colour xD

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All my games are kept in my Steam library as well.

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So you're too lazy to install a game from another service. I'm sorry, but to me this sounds like the infamous 'comfy couch' argument used by console gamers to justify why they hate playing on the PC.

edit: it's just my opinion, but to me the 'no Steam no buy' argument is just as stupid as the 'comfy couch' argument. Besides, being a kid of the '80s, i grew up with DRM free games and maybe that is why i prefer services like GOG, GamersGate and Origin, that let you play games without a client.

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Also, moving those installed games is easy as well. Most other services/site you just i have to re-DL to play. With steam, it will simply patch it up and your ready to go.

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There's something wrong that I like using Steam as my primary platform?

Most of the games on Steam that are on other stores are around the same price and I'm not including sales.
I don't understand why I should buy from the other stores if I prefer Steam.

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You shouldn't buy from other stores if you like Steam best. Your money, your games, your choice.

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There's nothing wrong with you having an affinity for a certain platform(though i admit i don't understand this either; if Valve signed my paycheck i'd probably have an affinity for Steam too; otherwise, my affinity goes towards the digital store that offers me the best deals and lately Green Man Gaming and Amazon had infinitely better sales than Steam).

There is something wrong (from my point of view and i reiterate that it is my opinion) with the reason you mentioned for your affinity: that you like Steam because it keeps your games in one location. I explained why i personally find it stupid in my previous post and i won't insist on it. It's the 'comfy couch' argument again, only this time by PC users which is quite the irony :)

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Its a bit different seeing as steam adds valuable functions to its service at least when comparing to say a physical copy or a DRM free download. But if you have 60 games for your 360 that you can play on the 720(or w/e the hell gen3 is called) then it doesnt make much sense to get a ps3 and rebuy all your games for the same performance and services.

If someone has a couple hundred/thousand dollars of games one one service, doesnt make a LOT of sense to then start buying from a bunch of other services. Maybe if one could xfer steam keys to other services like Origin or what have you, then it would be different, but having to remember 20 different accounts/services/passwords? Naa.

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This and the goddamn sales!

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I like keeping them all in one place too... on my hard drive where I decide to install them. Steam is an annoyance that I only use when I cant avoid it or for games which I cant get as cheaply as anywhere else. And I believe that XFire > Steam by far.

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Collecting. Steam is a game where you continually grow your collection of games.

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So is Desura, Origin, GoG.com. I have a bad habit of buying games more than once.

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I am an collector and I am obsessive.

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+1 I have more than 50 games that I never played more than 10 minutes '-'

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i think steam is pretty easy to use and find the games without having to switch discs.

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It does make installing easier, but with full install I rarely switch discs. You are right switching discs can be annoying.

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i'm always right!!!!!

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But you don't have to carry em around , with Steam your games are always with you on every PC - so your argument is invalid

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Your argument is invalid since multiple computers were never part of the equation. Regardless my previous statement and all the ideas presented in this thread are all personal opinions. Everyone is welcome to their own.

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You could carry around an external hdd filled with hundreds of games a lot easier then you could carry tens of games.

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The same goes for the majority of DD sites.

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When you add the game as non-Steam to you library it isn't the same, you won't get all the community features.

I don't really care about these things but most Steam fanboys care.
I like DRM-free versions (or at least direct downloads) better, even Origin is good because you don't have to run it while playing games. I also prefer buying indie games on Desura because you get direct downloads and no DRM and AFAIK Desura doesn't take as much money from indie devs.

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I am not very social so not having a game community is neither a plus nor minus for me. Good points.

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I prefer GOG over Steam, mainly for one thing: the extras. Sure, Steam can have some extra stuff to their games like the Augmented stuff to Deus Ex: Human Revolution (it's tricky to find though), but if you look at The Witcher 2's extras you'll see that it has a shit ton, and you can easily find and download them.

Also, Steam sometimes messes up with old games. Commandos cannot start for me because and I quote it: "Error! Cannot find Steam." The only fix for that, that I am aware of, is a no-CD crack so far. So what's the freaking point then?

Anyway, the only pro for Steam is the achievement system for me. That's why I prefer some indies on here instead of GOG, but it also applies to some oldies too like Psychonauts.

I also got a Fear Factory album for my copy of Messiah on GOG, which is probably the most metal and awesome thing to come with a purchase. Same with Painkiller (Black edition)'s soundtrack; you don't get that one at Steam. You usually get soundtracks as DLCs you have to pay for.

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GoG.com has some amazing extras.

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Yes, Steam does have some issues with some older games.

I don't have any issue starting Commandos, but for some reason the Steam versions have the ability to save your game disabled by default. You have to look up the problem on the forums, find the solution, and then manually edit the games' config files to enable saving in both Behind Enemy Lines and Beyond the Call of Duty.

I've heard people complaining about compatibility issues with the Steam versions of some other older games.

I also vaguely recall there being some issue with user made level mods for Mirror's Edge if you used the Steam version?

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Steam is more useful for me since you have many games on one place but I like DRM-free versions since if you don't have internet, you can't use Steam.

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Those are my thoughts for the most part.

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you can play offline games on Steam using its offline mode

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Last time i tried it, Steam told me to go online if i wanted to play offline (and of course, i had no internet access at the time... Since i just remembered that episode, i guess it's a good time to ask: did Valve fix that? It really was beyond retarded :|

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to play a game on offline mode you have to play it at least once while you are online.

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I think he's talking about when the Steam client itself refuses to go into offline mode while not connected to the Internet.

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ah! yeah, that's anoying...

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It still happens

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Even though not ideal, there is a method you can use to bypass that. Something along the lines of copying the .blob file while in offline mode and then just switching the "offline" file with the current one when you need to go offline.

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what happens to achievements while offline? do they sync when you're online again?

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Yes!

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I love me some free stuff so I used to do a whole lot of pirating. I'm hooked up on Steam now though because it lets me be nosy; see what games my friends have been playing, do/don't own, see comments and reviews and other things. Also find the Steam chat client massively useful; I used to know people all over MSN, forums, IRC, in MMOs, etc; now I can catch them all on Steam. So much less work to find someone up for co-op.

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I like the feeling of owning games, so I was never big into "borrowing" games via torrents and the such.

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I was never big into paying for anything. Besides, you don't technically own anything on Steam either.

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You own the license to play the games you bought.

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Which can be terminated at any time for any reason.

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True, but paying for something isn't stealing it. If I lose it then I still own my own since of pride without the risk of fines or jail time.

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Hey, keyword being "used to" pirate. I'm on board with Steam now, buying games proper and legally. As cheap as possible (or free), but legal.

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Wasn't calling you a thief. I am just paranoid, and tended not to pirate. Didn't say I never pirated either.

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I use to pirate, I still do, but I use to too!

I use to pirate games like crazy! But now I buy most/all of my games on steam or for steam, so through amazon/gmg/bundles and so on.

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I usually prefer the DRM-free copies of games and especially if the Steam version doesn't have any achievements or other Steam only stuff. In the (unlikely) scenario, where Steam stops existing, you'd lose all your games, if you only had them on Steam. Or if Valve decides to ban/suspend your Steam account.

But yeah, I'd rather own a game than just have a subscription to it.

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lol...why would they stop existing?..Steam is a huge money maker...no one wants to stop millions$$$ coming to him lol...

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While it's very unlikely, it's still a possibility. Either way, it's not really a good thing to have all your games on the same service because, if something happens you lose them all.

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DRM is like a lock. Its job is to keep the honest man honest. Nothing more and nothing less.

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Only people who actually buy games have to deal with DRM and sometimes it can be very annoying and frustrating. Luckily Steam is pretty invisible DRM unlike GFWL.

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Like I said keeps the honest person honest.

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It turns some otherwise honest men into criminals.

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Stealing is stealing.

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Personally I prefer stuff DRM-free whenever possible, but I don't mind most services like Steam. Except for Origin, but that's moreso that I can't stand anything EA does.

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I don't mind EA or Origin. I can't stand the owner of my local McDonald's but I still eat there. Same thing in my opinion.

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If there's an incredible deal on a game I really want to play, I don't care what the DRM situation is.

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Agrees.

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Great deals, automatic updates, don't need to go hunting for the discs, never worry about losing the discs, everything in one place :)
I've never noticed any difference between a game with DRM or not (in performance) so that's not a problem either.

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All games are equal in my opinion too. I love having everything through Steam also. Just not a must in my book

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I personaly prefer games that can activate on steam...If it doesnt activate on steam...I dont buy it..

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I would hate missing out on certain indie games and games that might be region locked otherwise.

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You are missing a lot of great games this way...

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^this. No particular reason, but that's how it is.

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Steam and GoG
Steam for the social thing: keeping in touch with friends, "race" over achievements, sharing screenshots and stuff like that + the steamcloud for savefiles(playing Trine 2 on windows then switching to linux and resuming the level in progress right where I left is an awesome thing)

Gog for the DRM thing and goodies: like soundtracks and artworks.

Desura comes close: is great for indies which are not on steam.

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This!
Also, GOG is a great source for classic old games.

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+1

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This^^^^

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I'm told that the Steam version of the Witcher games don't use any of Steam's DRM mechanisms or add non-Steam kinds, and if (god-forbid) you lose your Steam account you're can simply get it from GOG, so the DRM-vs-DRM-Free debate is moot in your case. As far as I can see, these are the pros and cons:

Steam Version
Pro: Steam shortcut added automatically
Con: You'll need to manually add a start menu shortcut to launch it directly
Pro: Automatic update
Con: Forced automatic updates
YMMV: Achievements and Steam Cloud

GOG Version
Pro: Start menu shortcut added automatically
Con: You'll need to manually add a Steam shortcut if you want to run it from Steam
Pro: Offline installer and patches mean that you can easily download from a machine other than the one you intend to play on
Con: Updates aren't automatic
YMMV: No Achievements or Steam Cloud

It's a matter of preference. I'd go with the GOG version personally.

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Funny thing is I have both. Might giveaway the Steam copy.

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When you install a game in Steam, I recall it gives you checkboxes for both Start menu and desktop shortcuts. You can also turn off automatic updates on a game-by-game basis.

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I usually don't buy a game if it's not on Steam. And I'd really like it if it has a second DRM (like the AC series and Uplay).

I don't see why people get offended by these types of DRM, as long as it doesn't limit gameplay ,like a limited number of installs (fuck you too Arkham City).

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DRM is a non-issue for me, I don't care if it asked for my first born (it can have it :P) as long as I can play the game. If a DRM ever prevented my from playing because I ran out of activations or whatever then I would "find another way". I bought the game I don't care what a DRM does or says I WILL play it no matter what.

While I do like having games in one place (Steam) I will buy from anywhere and will generally go with whoever has the cheapest offer, which generally is NOT Steam unless they have a big sale event on.

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Then why even bother paying for the game? If you use a crack, you are to the publisher no better then a thief!

I mean, granted, disc checks or single online activations is fine, but once you get into having to create 20 different accounts for 20 games, all with limited installs and always online DRM and who knows what else, its a bit ridiculous isnt it? Why should you, a paying customer, have to go through the trouble of getting a crack when you paid for a legal copy of a product? Frankly, you and people like you who dont care what kind of DRM is shoved down their throats is what is wrong with the industry. You should care that you have to go out of your way, wasting time and risking legal trouble (doubtful but who knows) just so you can play a product that you legally purchased.

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Yes, I'm the cause of all the DRM. And frankly I still couldn't give a **** what you think about me and people like me.

No DRM has ever caused me to need to get a crack, I'm just saying if a DRM ever did stop me from playing I would just do that.

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STEAM OFC:D

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One thing i hate about steam is that some games require to have an online connection at all times, otherwise it just gets stuck. As a plattform itself it's great though.

That said i happily own a Steam, Desura and GoG accounts, as well as play some other games; since the community thing is not exactly my cup of tea (anyone who has me as a friend know this for a fact) i'm not bothered if i play a DRM or a non-DRM game at all (though having the opportunity to manage them all into one app like Steam is great)

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That's not really an issue with Steam directly as it is with those particular games. Always-online DRM is usually mandated by the developers/publishers, not Steam.

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Yes in the case of The Witcher 2 i was glad i could run the game in offline mode whether or not i had Steam running, but there are some games that gave me quite the headache when trying to run in offline mode (or losing connection right before i start a game)

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Pros

  • Synchronised saves between computers
  • Easy updates
  • Adding non-steam games
  • All games in one place
  • Community and in-game interface (even if its not for you :P)
  • Very nice sales sometimes

Cons

  • Can't play the games without it running
  • Crashes sometimes (at least for me)

that's all I could think of, if anyone wants to add then np xD

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i used to like that it tracked my playtime, but since i have a few games not on steam (like minecraft and diablo iii), i started using raptr for that.

the next biggest thing it does for me is help me keep track of my backlog. i'm also using backloggery for that, but i have my unplayed games in steam categorized in bundle order (i.e. “indie 34 royale graduation”) and that helps me decide what to play next. i'm mostly playing through indie bundle games in the order i bought them.

though i don't use it as much, inviting or joining a friend for multiplayer gaming is convenient on most games. i also use steam voice chat when playing with a friend.

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And what happens when those discs break or are lost/stolen, or you use up all your activations? One of the things with steam, even though it is a form of DRM, is that its a function added DRM. One that actually benefits the consumer rather then punishes them. If my house is robbed/burned down w/e, my computer and all my discs are stolen id be screwed out of almost 1k dollars in games (actually spent not "account worth" which is almost 3k). With steam, after I replace my PC I can just redownload my games and get back to playing them. Also, for the majority of games on steam, I dont have to worry about added DRM, none if stead had their way, other then their own DRM of course.

Other services, such as Games for Windows live, Desura, Origin, Capsule(greenmangaming), dont add nearly as much usability as steam does. GFWL is just retarded IMO but I digress.

The only services CLOSE to a competitor for steam is origin, but due to it being strictly EA only and piss poor sales and limited selection its not even close. It is nice though, that you can download a game from them through the client and then delete the client while being able to play the game.

And DRM free downloads are the worst kind, at least ones that provide no backup services. You loose the link or your HDD crashes, you are out completely.

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This. Except for the DRM free thing; most sites will give you unlimited downloads. DRM free are the best games in my opinion, simply because they're DRM free (but then, I also prefer non-copyrighted things over copyrighted things, more copyright/DRM = worse, in my opinion).
As a side note, I very much agree with you on GFWL, which I would not touch with a ten foot pole if it wasn't because of Fable III. :P

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And what happens when Valve bans your Steam account or goes bankrupt? Then you also have no games. You said Desura doesn't provide as much usability, what do you mean? It has a client and direct downloads, there Desura is better than Steam. You are right about the other stores an DRM-free versions but when you back up your files and games there is not much more risk than with Steam, when you have DRM-free versions you at least own the games.

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Valve won't go bankrupt. Why would they? And if you don't do anything stupid, they don't ban your account.
simple as that

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Then I can also say CDs work long and when you aren't stupid you won't lose you games.

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But discs do break down and can get stolen. Just saying.

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Thats the same risk with any service so that point is moot. EA handed out banns for VERY minor infractions on the forums which translated to banned accounts unable to play any of their purchased games.

Steam also has a client and direct downloads? You need to be logged into the client to download games from desura as far as I know, but desura's client, while being a mess to navigate(IMO), is close to steam's without the added community and overlay/in game features.

If you back up your steam games their is no risk either... But if you back up a DRM free game, either to HDD or physical discs, at added expense and time (minor but still), what happens when the hdd fails or the disc is scratched/stolen?

Everything has positive and negatives. From all the services ive used, DRM free/ physical copies/ Desura/ GMG/ Capsule/ Origin, I much prefer Steam.

The chances of Steam going under any time soon is VERY slim. The threat of having your account banned and loosing access to your games is slim and happens rarely. Does it happen? Yes, but it happens with other services as well.

Physical games can get lost or stolen. Steam, even if my account is hacked, which would require knowledge of my full account name, my 16 char password, as well as my email account AND its password, I can simply shoot support a message with proof that I own the account and get it back.

If my hdd crashes I can just redownload my games with their updates AND my gamesaves just by logging into a single account. This alone is an improvement over a physical game IMO. Having to hunt up the disc/s, and then find the right patch/order of patches is can be a major pain.

Then you have all the community stuff and built in game features. Im not a big social person and I still see this as a benefit!

Is steam perfect? No, it has its problems, but its still the best service I have used, and I havnt run into any problems in the almost 6 years of use.

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I also never said Steam is bad but it can happen that you somehow lose your games. It's just my opinion that DRM-free is better and BTW you can get the direct download for the games from the Desura website.

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DRM is objectively worse since it places restrictions on the user. You personally might not mind those restrictions but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Yeah, I know. I never said anything other.

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Sorry I misread your comment. I didn't read the free part. I Read DRM is better. xD

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I like centralized digital distribution. No need to take care of disks or keep track of many accounts. And well, Steambook is a nice gaming social network.

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GOG is better than steam = Nothing beat DRM free.

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So, Torrents win...

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Torrents ≠ pirating. And pirating isn't getting games DRM-free.

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Well actually when they're cracked they're pretty much DRM free.

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But you don't own the game...

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Really? I have the setup and can do with it what I want. I can install it whenever and wherever I want. I don't even need an internet connection. Pretty much the same as owning it.

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Pretty much the same thing isn't the same thing, you don't have any legal right to play the games and it's just stupid to pirate.

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Ah, you mean like it's immoral. Of course it is, but aside that it's still the same as getting the game DRM free. :P

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Not exactly the same.

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Never said it was. :P

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Yeah man, pirates are just big stupid doodooheads!

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torrent ≠ DRM free = so his argument is flawed

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Humble store provides torrents. Clearly Humble wins again ;)

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Torrents would have to offer more extras than GOG. I would at least expect GOG to work without worry.

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I love steam, but I hate steam.
I hate DRM in any fashion, however - I dont have the time or space to keep the discs - Ive just moved abroad.
However, I dont having my gaming PC here and I dont have the bandwidth to download it. It's annoying, but I still havent lost a single game ive bought, broken a case, lost an installation key.
Steam is easy, but has serious cons.

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